Vinland Saga

Did eating mushrooms to get magic powers in battle actually happen in real history?

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No, they usually got the magic powers by human sacrifice.

Yeah nordic people did ingest psychedelic mushrooms before battle to increase their spirit etc. Not the one on the picture tho, it is called amanita muscaria and it was used mostly for rituals/religious purposes. It has much different effects than regular magic mushrooms. Read up on it it's pretty interesting.

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Even from a non-spiritual perspective, getting high as shit has use if you just wanna fling a bunch of violent and crazy motherfuckers who get a boner from pain at your enemy.

Have you never cracked an ancient European history book? This was a common enough phenomena for pop history to have made hours of specials about.

it still happens user

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>before battle
show me the proof

See
>The notion that Vikings used A. muscaria to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samuel Ödmann in 1784.[92] Ödmann based his theories on reports about the use of fly agaric among Siberian shamans. The notion has become widespread since the 19th century, but no contemporary sources mention this use or anything similar in their description of berserkers. Muscimol is generally a mild relaxant, but it can create a range of different reactions within a group of people.[93] It is possible that it could make a person angry, or cause them to be "very jolly or sad, jump about, dance, sing or give way to great fright".[93]

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Based.

what's the best translation for the episodes?

Florida Man has lost his touch nowadays.

Amazon translation is kind of meh.
i.e. while Thors was fighting that guy in the beginning sequence, the guy said "Maria-sama," which Amazon just translated to 'Maria', what they didn't know is that it referred to the Virgin Mary, which meant that guy was a Christian.

Been a while since I studied this, but...
Berserkers (called thus because they wore bear skins, bear-serks//björn-särk) had a form of epilepsi and eating a specific kind of mushroom could trigger it, which caused them to froth at the mouth and feel less pain.
They were also known to chew on their shields before a battle to stop their mouth from shaking.
One of the more known berserkers is the one that supposedly killed like 50-100 or whatever it was soldiers defending a bridge in england during a viking retreat.

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Yuup, this is more or less a confirmed fact.
How often it happened or whether this was the standard means of attaining a battle trance is unknown, but it probably wasn't the only thing they did.
Alcohol, drugs, prayer, meditation, and they became unstoppable.
This shows how dangerous and powerful someone can be when high on the right thing, and it's far from the most extreme case.

It probably wasn't common, but that okay since it's not presented as common here either. Bjorn is the only one in the manga who does it

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not in the sagas

look it up yourself faggot.

This is a real petty nitpick, but does anyone else find the subs for the anime kind of weird? They literally never have exclamation points even when characters are yelling at the top of their lungs, so it feels kind of robotic.
The anime is fantastic so far though, it's still surreal to even think that there IS a Vinland Saga anime. It was on permanent "never ever" status in my eyes.

>The notion that Vikings used A. muscaria to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samuel Ödmann in 1784. Ödmann based his theories on reports about the use of fly agaric among Siberian shamans. The notion has become widespread since the 19th century, but no contemporary sources mention this use or anything similar in their description of berserkers.

hmmmmm

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Amazon is infamous for shitty anime subs.
This is the future you chose for not supporting Crunchyroll.

If I remember correctly, the guy who defended the retreat wasn't a berserker. Just a big fellow who handled an axe on a narrow bridge. The enemy got staggered so hard by this single warrior that they had to row a boat under the bridge and stab the man in the leg.

How did it take 14 years to find someone to animate this? Though I guess the wait was worth it if it meant not getting Berserk quality

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Yeah, the stamford bridge guy was just a Big Guy, and no source claims that he was a berseker (not only that but berserkers had been banned in his own kingdom for a long time, so it would be bizarre)
There's no evidence whatsoever that 'berserkers' ever ate mushrooms, there's only vague references to "biting shields", not feeling pain, and being mental, all of which could just be legendary or a performative part of whatever religious significance being a berserker had (nobody has a clue if being a berserker was actually associated with any hunter or animal cults or not)
>epilepsy
lol fuck off

lot of shit that people thought as unadaptable is now happening because japs think their garbage CG has become good enough to make it possible. Most of the time the end result is CLANG though.

Berserkers using røyksopp for their berserkergang (berserk rage) is bullshit on par with horned helmets.

"Berserks" is actually more like a literary construction from a Christianized 13th century Iceland, writing sagas about stuff that happened 300 years after the fact.

They probably were just psycho dudes that loved murder and the rest is a myth.
Getting high in a fight will only get you killed.

this precious potato must be protected at all costs

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I don't know shit, but I thought that historical berserkers were more like professional duellists or champions who wore bear skins, and that the shield biting and mushroom-induced rage were modern inventions and probably complete bollocks.

Like, LindyBeige taught me that much.

Wait, so berserk mushrooms put people off but steroid cows don't?

You can't just reply to an article that says it's a made up claim and then pretend like it agrees with you.

He just did,eat shit historyfagg.History is whatever we belive or want it to be,there is no truth,only myths and propaganda.

Maybe. We don't know 100% sure but it is a possibility.

Triggered, epileptic?

if anything i think this is poking fun at the berserker myths, since its just some welsh(?) pirate doing it to the surprise and confusion of people around him

I was just rereading this part and did the translators fuck up here? In the manga Thorfinn is saying that if Thors says Leif is a warrior it must be true. With my limited Japanese understanding now that I pay attention it sounds like the VA is saying it as well, instead of what the subs say.

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No, there's no actual evidence for this at all. If anyone claims otherwise demand the source and investigate it carefully, because if you can prove this you can write a paper and get it published.

>bjorn
>welsh

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It's just a popular myth like the pyramids having been built by slaves. In the first place if you get an idea from popsci you should immediately be suspicious about it, instead of thinking that confirms it.

I'm going to be sad when they get to Bjorn dying in Askeladd's arms. Only true bro of the warband

didn't catch his name, his boss is welsh though

Yeah they thought he said "Maria, suman", which would be the "Maria, sorry" they used.

It's a safe bet for the subs to be wrong. They're bad already.

Half welsh, half danish actually

God, can PAS pick this up already?

Crunchyroll is the reason subs are so fucking terrible nowadays you goddamn newfag. They singlehandedly killed fansubs and made everyone dependent on their "official" subs, meaning that their subpar shit is all we're getting.

>red cap with white spots
indeed, turning you giant is quite a different effect than regular magic mushrooms

Berserkers did have a variation of epilepsy. You really shouldn't be typing about berserkers if you're not even aware of this common fact.
If you scream for source then you really shouldn't even be ITT.

no they didn't, and no such source exists

You guys are on the right path but next time post sources.

Fansubs weren't any better.

They varied from terrible to great. Now all we have left is subpar mediocrity with absolutely no incentive to ever fix their bullshit, because they're the only option anyway.

Lol you learn in history 101 to use sources and distrust statements without them you acorn brained jellyfish

There may be such a theory, but that sure as fuck isn't a hard, widely accepted fact. It should be pretty obvious that trying to diagnose an illness based on some accounts of battles is pretty much futile. As a theory it seems pretty far-fetche, considering that epilepsy is an illness with no upsides, not a fucking superpower.

Right, the thread is pretty light on those.

eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/28819/

(shamelessly ripping off LindyBeige's sources)

First, drugs aren't all the same and some can in fact enhance stamina, reduce fatigue and pain and increase aggressiveness: you still had the Caucasian/Central Asian battallions fighting with the Wehrmacht in WW2 taking drugs en masse for that purpose and resulting as a very scary berserker-like force (because if you start shooting at a platoon and those fuckers still march on singing as they drop it's guaranteed to shake you a bit)
Secondly, this isn't Modern Age warfare we're talking about, wars were fought with forces of thousands if not hundreds of men and blunt objects that would mostly maim and cut rather than kill because getting to pillage and acquiring serfs or hostages was the whole point. Even something like 100-200 deaths in a massive battle was considered a fucking bloodbath. So yeah, the rare times when Norse tribes actually came to raze the earth and kill a lot they were considered literally inhuman devils the ones who took drugs were seen as demons in the flesh

I find hard to believe entire groups of warriors from different clans had the same dissease, an epilepsy on top of that, and thst they used to trigger a crysis before or even during a fight
I find believable the usage of drugs

Maybe if Schierke would lend Guts some of those psychedelic mushrooms,he wouldn't need to rely on an armor that is slowly killing him from the inside.

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>Bros
>Askeladd hated every single one of his men and his grestest wish was to see them and all the vikings in the world dead

>greatest wish was to see all the vikings in the world dead
heh, this was also the greatest wish of every pious viking

You guys are forgetting that the human mind does not need any drugs in the first place to enter an altered state. A scene like a battle combined with some ritualistic pumping yourself up is more than enough for a warrior to enter a crazed trance even without any substances or sickness. Adrenaline is one hell of a drug and when you add some repetitive chanting or even rhythmic heavy breathing you'll go fucking nuts. The berserkers have been made into a massive meme, but it's entirely plausible that there existed groups of warriors who did this shit on purpose and they probably wanted stick with each other more than the rest of the plebs.

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Björn was his only friend though.

Did you somehow speedread this part?

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Maybe, to kill and be killed with honor on the battlefield
Askeladd just wanted vikings to suffer and dies meaningless deaths

I don't get it actually
He really wanted to kill Bjorn but hey, we frens and shit

Björn was as good as dead from his injuries, they only fought so that he could die in a fight and Askeladd honored that.

What? He didn't want to kill him. He killed him because he was dying anyway and you need to die in battle to go to Valhalla. He panicked when he missed and didn't kill him with one strike, then comforted him by calling him his only friend and then was so pissed off afterwards that even Thorfinn got spooked

>Thorfinn is King Manlet
>Sigurd is even shorter than him

Damn how smol is she?

Do you think theyll cancel each other out and give birth to a 9 feet giant?

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hoping it wont take that long for the best manga ever made

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>Sigurd
Damn, so that's the real reason he went after Thorfinn

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Record of Lodoss War The Movie did it first tho.

Even before the vikings themselves?

Shit I meant Gundir. Damn norse name.

Wrong again

This. It's heavy exaggeration, but then again, some of the exaggeration probably comes from people who weren't either accustomed to battle, didn't understand viking culture, and were just scared or baffled.
"Battle trance" or whatever is in a way a legit thing and not just some fantasy shit. It's the whole point why armies try to uphold morale in ways that instill patriotism, camaraderie, and glorifying altruistic and self-sacrificing heroism etc. so that soldiers in actual battle would throw themselves into the thick of it.
Glorifying battle and proving yourself in it was an important part of Viking culture. It doesn't take much to go balls to the wall in battle if you've been socialised to the idea your whole life, especially if you psych yourself up to it with your bros as if you were going to a sports game to win that shit.

There's actually a difference between being a berserker and going berserk. Going berserk in battle was seen by vikings as awesome and is something several great heroes are desribed as doing, such as Harald Hardrada and the viking of Stamford Bridge. Being a berserker however was seen as villainous and was eventually outlawed. Every time a berserker shows up in sagas he is villain that must be defeated by the hero. It's strange how two sides of the same coin can be seen as heroic and bad.

Are there any Finns in Vinland Saga?

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So far no, but they're on their way to Kievan Rus right now and there's a chance they meet some

I get what you're saying but there are no mentions of bridgeman going berserk in any source, in fact the only mention of him is in the Abingdon Chronicle II,

>The Normans [originally referred to any Scandinavian of the time] that were left fled from the English, who slew them hotly behind; until some came to their ships, some were drowned, some burned to death, and thus variously destroyed; so that there was little left: and the English gained possession of the field. But there was one of the Norwegians who withstood the English folk, so that they could not pass over the bridge, nor complete the victory. An Englishman aimed at him with a javelin, but it availed nothing. Then came another under the bridge, who pierced him terribly inwards under the coat of mail. And Harold, king of the English, then came over the bridge, followed by his army; and there they made a great slaughter, both of the Norwegians and of the Flemings.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Abingdon Chronicle II, Everyman Press edition, London, 1912, Page 131.

Puolidan on 100% Vantaa.

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Top lel.

huutista jutku se on

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Mitä Vantaalla tapahtuu?

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>kissanime

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Is this well animated? The screenshots look pretty good desu.

>leg
He got stabbed in the balls.

Didn't even notice, I saved it from here

the opening fight sequence had a fair bit of janky 3D but otherwise its pretty gorgeous

Maybe Berserk just dropped my standards too much but most of it looked fine to me

Yes. If you don't mind the bit of CG fight in the first episode. I haven't noticed much CG other than that and that might have to do with it being an anime original fight scene.

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What even was supposed to be their travel plan? They can get quite a bit of mileage from Dnepr, but that's ways a way to inland Belarus and Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_trade_route

I can't believe Ylva fucking died.

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And it could have been avoided

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I volunteer.

Every time you eat psychedelic mushrooms you get super powers, not just in battle.

That's bullshit but I believe it.

What kind of "powers? Can I stop time or fly?

get in line

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oh my god the amazon prime video translations are fucking dogshit, why do people pay for this again?

Got better alternatives?

You become God.

Travel back in time when fansubbing was still alive. Even shit subs were usually nice because they added lyrics and random translator's notes.

>When she grows up she becomes much taller and stronger than him thanks to Thors's genes.

Was it worth it?

Powers vary between individuals. I can't tell you what powers you'll have. You have to find that out on your own.

I feel like I almost get this joke

You fail to pay your Funi and CR subscriptions to make them great again and this is what you get.

is it true berserkers went so fucking crazy they killed both friend and foe during battle? also why are they depicted biting their shields?

>random translator's notes
>great

Pick one.

I liked translator's notes in post-credits in the fansub for Emma. Pasting them mid-show is simply evil though.

I kinda thought the anime would be more popular desu

Amazon killed the hype.

If they started off with teenage Thorfinn like the manga then it would've made a much bigger splash

Its getting reaction videos,it will be very popular.

Remember the stage the manga is in
People half hope the anime is another berserk

Just fuck off already. CR and Funi are the reason subs are so fucking bad now in the first place.

Only brainlets hate baltic sea war

I remember SZS had several minutes of notes at the end of every episode. Never bothered to read them but it was still a nice addition.

CG animation and screamo opening kinda made me want to not watch this anime, to be perfectly honest.

No.
youtu.be/YhAxO4qBp5k

You can see the Matrix.

>man barehanded destroys small warrior

Helped him to beat Garm

Give it some time, the normies will wake up to this.

There basically isn't any. See:

The three week break isn't going to help fuel discussion.

THAT'S NO PROOF
Show a historical video clip where this actually happen.

This manga is so gay.

Historical video clip from the 11th century?