Why is it, that the MC in Isekai, they’re so comfortable with slavery?

Kemonomimi slaves are hot. I wouldn't mind being the slave of one so they shouldn't mind the opposite.

almost like the setting was meant as a theme for escapism and wish fulfillment, crazy, isn't it?

Bad phonesposter even though you already know.

Because they aren't American and didn't grow up being told "slavery is bad and it's your fault".

For all the complaining about slavery, it feels a little weird only like 1% series on my NU list glorify it.

slavery is a nessessary part of a fuedal economy

>Japanese having morals
Wew

Because they are magicaly bounded to you so there won't be any Spartakus-kun incident to kill you in your sleep.

I wish I could own some cute girls.

But slavery is based
Hell yeah I'd keep slaves if I got isekai'd and they were cheap

They did actually, it just wasn't very common or widespread and the slaves were mostly used by the government for physical labor.

/thread

I want a fucking slave why can't I get one
>there are more slaves today than at any point in human history
Yeah fucking right
Trafficking being a problem in this day and age is a hoax

?
my countrymen were their dirty tiny cocks' slaves
It didn't last long compared to european colonization, but they were bunch of barbaric war monkeys

Because isekai is aimed at otaku, you can stop making these threads now

There's literally nothing wrong with slavery.

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>why can't I get one
Because you're too dumb and poor for that.

What's wrong with pure love OP?

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Basically it's only bad when you're not the slaveowner
Also half the time the slaves are just girls with collar fetishes

>Another chink complaining about stuff that literally never happened

Working conditions of the corporate workers is not much different from slavery, for average salaryman getting isekayed and obtainig slave harem is basically just promotion to the head of the department with non-fugly employees.

Whats the difference between feudal serfdom and slavery?

One is good with God. The other is not en vogue with the Big Man right now.

There's actually a lot of differences, the biggest being that serfs were not actually property, just attached to the land which was property. So think of it like how the workers in a dead-end job aren't actually property, but you can buy the company or store and then they're basically your property.

When some noble decided to fuck a random commoner and get her pregnant he would pay her afterwards, sometimes :^)

very edgy. Cool

>they’re so comfortable with slavery?
Would you care if you were in different country and saw a slave?
I wouldn't it's part of their culture.

beta drones fear a woman with free will

Not even him but it's funny how if someone has a different opinion they're just being edgy

not having empathy makes you a defective

I saw some oilniggers whipping around their indonesion servants in Dubai.
Didn't feel a thing because muslims aren't real people anyways.

Because it's easy to adapt to any power dynamic as long as you aren't on the bottom.

More like fear an actually overpowered woman who gets to win
I want to see a story with a male MC and a female character who actually and consistently blows him out in terms of firepower and possibly intellect until the very end

Try a somewhere that isn't your home country when you're old enough to travel

Why?

And the fat out of shape loser with nothing going for him is a human? Slit your wrists and do your mother a favor sub human.

they did, they only outlawed it after europeans started buying them because it's hard to be racially superior when the waitto piggus consider you to be the best slave race

Edgy or a failed human. I was being charitable in assuming he shouldn't be executed.

I don't consider lesser beings human.
I don't feel sympathy for animals.
Slaves aren't human.

Again, interesting how anyone who disagrees with you is either edgy or a 'failed human'.

>You’d think someone from the current era would find the practice appalling.
Why? If you treat them well it's better than welfare. And do you honestly think jailed people doing community service is any different than slavery for the state?

Thinking it's ok to reduce a human to property is pretty edgy.

Either of "subhuman" or "sub-human" is acceptable, but not that. For that matter out-of-shape should probably be hyphenated, though the sentence is awkward in general.

Jailed people doing community service is basically identical to debt or criminal slavery
A lot of those even had the 'yeah but after two years you're good to go if you don't fuck up' clause.

Thinking that anyone who disagrees with you should either be executed or just needs to grow up and become smart like you is pretty edgy too.

nice low IQ take. I don't consider people who can't apply empathy to the innocent to be human. Being a slave doesn't make someone inferior. Having a mentality like yours makes someone inferior. I hope you are just bullshitting on the internet

being a wage slave on poverty is far worse than being a well treated property.

Slavery is a patrician fetish. No wonder most of Yea Forums hates it.

>A lot of those even had the 'yeah but after two years you're good to go if you don't fuck up' clause.
So does slavery.

That's my point, yeah
Americans just think the only type of slavery is burgerlander black people slavery for some reason

>I want to see a story with a male MC and a female character who actually and consistently blows him out in terms of firepower and possibly intellect until the very end
Not realistic sweetie!

Property in name does not mean property in reality. In most of these isekai, the slaves are treated better than free people.

It sort of happened with Esdeath, though the shoehorned obsession she had with the Literally Me MC was retarded

Why did slavery fell out of fashion?
Did a sort of moral/ethical change occur or was it econmic/technical progress which made slavery no longer as profitable/necessary to even enable the people to have moral excuses against it?

It does mean property in reality, it's just that if you have a good, rich owner whose dick you're eager to hop on then being property is basically a great deal

>Thinking that anyone who disagrees with you should either be executed or just needs to grow up and become smart like you is pretty edgy too.
I'm not that guy
>"well treated"
Naive.
Being a wage slave is also a meme because you have the freedom to stop being a wage slave.

wage slaves have no other choice

combination of both probably
giving underpaid workers an illusion of freedom is far more profitable than slavery.

>Why did slavery fell out of fashion?
It didn't.

It's women fault.
We gave them too much freedom and chance to vote then their weak sympathy for blacks ruined everything.

It's categorical. When you have such an opinion, you are either trying to be cool on the internet, or you're a failed human. The failure is in lacking the ability to feel empathy and compassion for the innocent, sort of like a lizard/bug man. Subhuman, much like the savages in the East

Do you feel sympathy for chinese?

Yeah you do. You can allways:
1. Get a better job
2. Run away and become self sufficient
3. Stop working and become a NEET

A variety of reasons
For Christians there was a ton of theological problems with slavery - all are equal before God, so slavery, especially inherited slavery, is basically bullshit by Christian standards. The Pope and multiple bishops actually came out and said slavery bad when the Americas were discovered and riffed hard on mistreatment of the natives.

For many other nations the problem with slavery is that it's most efficient when you're dealing with large, centralized planning and an already wealthy country. Owning people as property is almost always a goddamn stupid thing to do from an economic angle since those people are not being productive citizens with their own wealth, it's the ancient equivalent of automation stealing jobs - the Romans had a huge shitfit during the late Republic because of too many slaves held by fuckoff massive farmowners buying all the land. The only time it really makes sense to do slaves is when you're raiding for essentially free labour and coin - it's not a really viable tactic for a long-term civilization with relatively stable borders, at least not in mass.

Lastly, in the Americas especially, it became politically as well as economically obsolete. More than muh emancipation from within the state was the fact that slavery was a black mark on the young America from everyone else's point of view. America desperately wanted to be taken seriously by the Europeans, but slavery had been considered barbaric there for almost a thousand years, and it was basically another mark against them making them look like uncivilized savage country hicks.

>Being a wage slave is also a meme because you have the freedom to stop being a wage slave.
Maybe by ignorant ironic usage of the term. A true wage slave submits to the harassment he gets as he slaves away working because he requires the wage to live. Such as being thrown out onto the streets or starving to death, or causing his offspring to starve to death, if he doesn't get his pay.
You don't get employment if you quit. And there's nothing "free" about getting a better job.

Sure smells like Reddit in here.

Slavery is totally still in fashion, who do you think there are so many people that claim to be slaves to fashion?

>You don't get employment if you quit.
>employment
Meant unemployment.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>you can always get a better job
This is a Buy More Money tier argument
>self sufficiency
Harder than you think and often not possible.
>become a NEET
Which is degrading as well as not feasible for most people. NEETbux are barely enough to live on.

I'd say the industrial revolution is at fault; the costs and amount of skilled labor were reduced and that should drove down the cost unskilled of field hands, along with creating a surplus of available workers, which in turn made slavery a more costly alternative.

The US was already behind the times with the transatlantic slave trade.
Slavery was outlawed in Britain somewhere in 1300 and only remained legal with people nobody cared about, like scots or darkies.

>Edgy or a failed human.
>executed
You're the only one here who is edgy considering that you think someone should be killed for having a different opinion.

Be my slave then.

The characters are based on the authors who themselves are so secluded from the real world that they don't have any sense of morality either.

Slaves had been largely out of fashion in most of the world long before then, at least in the form of the inherited forced labour you might think of
Criminal slavery, debt slavery, or so on was still a thing in many places but actual 'here's a hammer bro' slavery had been phased out basically everywhere. It just wasn't worth it.

>they’re so comfortable with slavery
Because they know that they won't smash a willing pussy and slavery is for them a legal way to make a girl "love" them

easier said than done. You're obviously rich and very spoiled.
most people don't have the luxury of having those kind of choices.

Being property in reality means that you're used and thrown away as a tool, which doesn't describe how most of these slaves are treated. They're treated like people, who has feeling and the mc cares for their well-being.

Ehhh
That's arguable I think
You wouldn't "use and throw away" your car or your battlestation or some fancy 20k chinese vase. You can have property treated like shit, and property loved and cared for.

Slaves were low skilled and unmotivated workers who kept trying to escape. Their output wasn't worth their upkeep.

I'm not trying to be edgy, I just think that humans who can't do empathy for the innocent aren't as valuable as the ones who can. I don't for one second believe the user was talking about just the slaves that deserve to be enslaved. He was including slaves that don't deserve to be slaves. Prison is okay if you deserve it, not if you are innocent. I'm an extremist in that it's my personal desire to have sufficiently defective humans executed, much like the urge you would get to execute someone hurting a child or small animal.

Except for educated slaves to be fair
Which people oddly forget exist
A lot of big shit Roman households kept highly educated slaves as tutors

Well why not? You are reading about an MC going to another world banging fantasy slave races I mean what do you find appalling? Have you never read a slave nukige before or a doujin or something how fragile are you people?

Now we have blacks on the dole who don't work at all.
Probably a conspiracy of the sport shoes manufacturers

>Being property in reality means that you're used and thrown away as a tool
Remind everyone you know to never let you borrow anything from them. Just because something is a tool doesn't mean you shouldn't treat it well. My stapler still works after 25+ years. My keyboard still works great after 15 years. Treat your tools well, and they'll treat you well.

Yes, the normal ones. Not the ones who can run over a toddler, or walk by that dying toddler without any disturbance. Those ones can be removed.

If you believe that some humans are worth less than others and also less worthy of sympathy then it is implicitly the case that you see nothing wrong with enslaving or killing them for the benefit of those more worthy and hence you actually agree with him.

The question was whether or not slavery is okay, not whether or not slavery of random faggots was okay. If I asked you whether you think prison was okay then by your own logic you wouldn't believe for a second that you only meant the ones who deserved it.

Basically just fucking kill yourself you stupid control freak faggot, and fuck you rabbit soup is great, go be a vegan somewhere else

I have the feeling that your main complaint is that you have too work in general. Suprise! You have to do something to sustain your self.
Ok bro
>Wtf bro I don't like these options you're giving me they're wait too hard.
Nice Ad Hominem, I'm sorry I didn't stagnate as a store clerk and instead got a better job soil cartography.

You're all being delusional if you actually think it's better to be an actual slave that to have a 9-5/ or 8-7 job.

>You wouldn't "use and throw away" your car or your battlestation or some fancy 20k chinese vase.

That's exactly what I do though. I use my car until it's no longer useful and sell it without emotion. I have multiple times replaced my battlestation to get an upgrade. On the other hand, I have worked jobs where my boss treated "free" employees like they're replaceable tools.

Now this is edgy.

You're just a thin skinned liberal that still lives with mommy.

Mate, I'm loaded. The problem is that these options legitimately do not exist for a lot of people. Self-sufficiency isn't an option in most places and often just illegal to boot, NEETing is unreliable and basically means you'll never get any better jobs, while the problem with finding another job is that these people are eating hand to mouth and don't have the time to find another job. Job searches take time and during that time what're you eating? They've got no savings.

That's a stupid way to look at things then. There's chefs who treasure their knives or their pans, in fact every chef worth the title does so. Sure, if it breaks you just get another one, but then employers are literally there to fire and hire people. If you don't make the cut then get the fuck out. How is that slavery?

>reddit defending wage slavery
yikes!

>My stapler still works after 25+ years. My keyboard still works great after 15 years. Treat your tools well, and they'll treat you well.

And you'll throw it away in a trashbin when it stops working or not worth the cost of repairing. You use and throw it away as needed.

user the opinion is an indicator of the person's brain state. There are failed brain states which decrease your value to near 0. I left the possibility that he was being edgy and not genuine. I'm being genuine, not edgy. To use a similar example as one I previously posted: imagine you have a little daughter that you love, and they have done nothing wrong. A man butchers your little girl. The thing wrong with him, which allowed him to do that, was a lack of empathy for an innocent creature. Surely you would believe that this "person" has negative value and should be removed. If you're a person who cannot do empathy for the innocent, you are broken the same way a person capable of murdering a child is broken.

Are you trying to say that when your friend dies you won't bury him and that's that

>throw a guy from a hipergamic society into a world where sexual slavery is common and affordable
>get surprised that he will take the opportunity to get his dick wet
What are you, OP, a woman or something? It should be common sense to buy sex slaves if you ever get transported to a place where sex slavery is legal.

Are you literally autistic? There's a difference between not being bothered by something in fiction and finding it disgusting if it actually happened in the world around you.

>There's chefs who treasure their knives or their pans, in fact every chef worth the title does so

This is what they tell you in order in order to look cool. It's like how medical personnel tell you that did it to help people out, but for most it's for the money.

You are the autistic one.

The fuck is a failed brain state?
You're literally just incapable of comprehending that there are intelligent people who, through logic, knowledge, and their own value systems have arrived at a conclusion different from your own and that this in no fucking way makes them broken. Just because you're not wrong does not mean your answer is the only answer, especially when you're literally dealing with opinions.

And for fuck's sake you're literally pointing at a group of human beings and saying, 'to the chopping block'. They've committed no crimes except the ones in their minds and they're to be executed for literal fucking thoughtcrimes according to you.

If this isn't being 'edgy' then seriously take a fucking look in the mirror and re-evaluate yourself on whether or not you, too, should be executed.

You can always book a flight to Mauritania

>t.honest user

My friends are people, not property. If for some reason my friend was my slave, I would bury him.

That is still a lot better than being the property of some dude who can legally beat you to death when ever he wants to. Chances are though that if you're reading this you do have the option to get a better job given you have enough free time to read this which could be spent on educating your self or looking for a job.
I'm only saying it's better than being literal property

Nice try retard but we're talking about the acceptability of slavery with the framing g of the slave not deserving slavery, because it's an isekai slavery reference, where the slaves are usually always innocent. Of course slavery is okay for those that deserve it. We both know he wasn't excluding the main fucking reference for slavery in this case. Don't be a dumb fag. He was being edgy, you know this

I want cute monster girls as sex slaves, not starving black children.

>This is what they tell you in order in order to look cool. It's like how medical personnel tell you that did it to help people out, but for most it's for the money.
Yeah how about you kill yourself mate
The real big shits aren't 'in it for the money'. Being a chef is a stupid fucking route to make money, how many people do you think actually make it onto the big time? Plenty get stuck at saucier or chef de partie forever, earning about as much as a graduate from any decent university.
People do care about their tools, and even though they're tools there's no reason to fuck with them just to show they're your property. It's *your* property. Why would you basically harm your own interests by going out of your way to not take care of your property?

So if he wasn't a slave then you wouldn't bury him and just leave him out in the sun to bloat?

A slave is someone who is treated as a tool. You don't care about their feelings and will use and throw them away. A person on the other hand is someone who you treat with respect and show concern for their well-being.

Slaves in isekai are barely fucking slaves you halfwit, most of them are treated like girls with collar fetishes
When was the last time you legitimately saw the main character trading them off like stocks

You can treat your tools with respect and concern for their well-being too you know
In fact, you should unless you want them to repeatedly break on you because you kept smashing them or forgetting to oil them or whatever.

You have autism.

Cool I can't wait till some crackers get enslaved. Let's see if you're still singing that same edgy tune then.

I'm not the one arguing that it's literally impossible to take care of your tools because durr they're le tools
It's like I'm talking to someone who's trying to be a psychopath and failing

You take care of your tools because you don't want them to break and become useless. It is completely a self-center reason. Showing respect and concern for people means caring for them and wishing them well even when it's harmful to you.

people were enslaved regardless skin color.

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Stop being so ethnoecenrist, you nazi incels.
All moral judgements are based on discourses embedded into cultural contexts and their hierarchies. No discourse can be called superior to others, because there is no "neutral ground" from which to judge. Thats why diversity is our strength and you should try your best to unlearn your cultural practices or at least become aware of them when dealing with foreign contexts.

Most people don't work that way outside of their close family and friends, this is a proven effect. In fact even when dealing with friends and family the tendency is an attempt to balance your own self-interest with your interest in seeing them happy.

This is what I mean when I say you have autism. You lack common sense and can't understand people.

You do consider yourself autistic right?

Yes, but usually not by their own ethnic group, except maybe for punishment purposes.

Of course I don't, which you'll take as proof that I somehow am autistic. Do you think yourself intelligent or something for dragging the conversation so far off topic without providing enough detail for me to actually rebut anything in your post?

(((you))) need to go back and kys.

Yeah uh
>greeks enslaving other greeks, gauls, and scythians
>gauls enslaving gauls and germans
>germans enslaving germans and gauls
>middle eastern civilizations raiding each other for girls
>romans enslaving everyone
>cathage being a super trading hub for slaves
>west africans actually just straight up selling themselves off all over the place
>indian '''caste system'''
>japanese wokou pirates raiding up and down japan and china for wealth and slaves

>>there are more slaves today than at any point in human history
>Yeah fucking right
The statement is one of quantity, not proportion. The global population today is immensely higher than it has ever been. So even if the PROPORTION of the global population that are slaves were to remain the same, the total QUANTITY can accurately be described as being "higher" or "more".

Isn't it the other way around? I have provided how I define whether something is treated as property or as a person. You have done nothing but show you lack commonsense.

If you have concluded not to feel empathy for the innocent, you are broken. Don't care how intelligent you are. We're talking about 2 categories of people here. Those capable of atrocious acts like child rape and murder, and everyone else. This may come as a surprise to you user but the state of your brain determines what you are and what you will do. If you have the brain of the first category of human I mentioned, which is characterized by a lack of empathy for the innocent, you aren't not trash just because you haven't done something you would do if given the opportunity. Like I said, I left the possibility open that they were being edgy, which they were. If you unironically do not have empathy for the innocent, yes I genuinely do believe you do not meet the standard for deserving life.

>Why did slavery fell out of fashion?
When the cotton gin devalued their worth.

>not by their own ethnic group
that's just wrong.

My name is Friedrich Nietzsche, and you all need to ask yourself: When you think about the morality of slavery, do you think about it from the perspective of the master or the slave?

When did unironic white knights invade this place?

>You can treat your tools with respect and concern for their well-being too you know
you CAN, but if you read accounts of slave owners, they needed jump through a number of mental gymnastics to deal with the cognitive dissonance. that often translated into their well being being disregarded all together, respect and emotional empathy isn't something you can do half way.
it's the same kind of reasoning behind why people will get emotional over a dog suffering but torturing pigs is alright as long it's for meat.

Again?

It should be obvious.

The problem is that most people treat others as a combination of the two and that your definition doesn't really hold up well to how people treat actual tools. If your definition of property is that there lacks an emotional aspect, well, firstly many people do get attached to things they've used - I still keep a shitty, tattered blanket from when I was five years old, twenty years later. Secondly, you can't rightfully care about the *life* of something that has none. Of course then you have pets, which are literally property in all senses of the word, but are often treated as if they were part of some family. They are not therefore not property.

Can you link me studies on this? You're talking about neuroscience now if you're talking about brain states, which means you literally need to source your statements. Link journal articles or fuck off.

It depends on what people though. The reason Americans get emotional is because they live in a place where nobody eats dogs and nobody keeps pigs as pets. There's places where people keep bunnies as pets and also eat rabbit regularly, and the dissonance is nonexistent because the answer is basically 'yeah but this is my bunny'.

It really does depend on the person, obviously, but when we read accounts of Roman or Greek owners then depending on the person I don't see much gymnastics, just a geniunely different outlook on life.

>durr ethics are for the weak

I did not say this and you should go back.

The dude he quoted is literally spewing bullshit, it's not even about white knights it's just actual /x/ shit

>. Of course then you have pets, which are literally property in all senses of the word, but are often treated as if they were part of some family. They are not therefore not property.

user, you agree with me. Slaves in isekai are property in name only. In practice, they're treated more like free people.

Accepting any ethics than your own is for the weak. You must realize your own will to power.

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There's a difference between having ethics and thinking that you should pass judgement on everyone who doesn't meet your standards
One's being literally anyone on the planet, the other is being a psychotic vigilante

Shh, you're killing the narrative.

I...
I mean alright I guess if that's what you mean
What I'm saying is that I don't see why something cannot be both. A pet IS property and is treated as such but it is also a member of the family. You don't need to be emotionally detached to acknowledge that you own something. I mean fuck I've heard girls tell me that marriage is basically when you agree to become property of each other.

How would you treat your slaves?

>thread goes into subject that isn't entirely 100% contained to anime discussion or hornyposting
>immediately turns into teenedge political crossboarder shitstorm
Nuke this fucking site.

Probably with relative kindness as long as they do their job.

It was fine until the epic white knight telling people to stop having fun and be executed showed up

Probably like anyone else and I hope a few of them are good with vidya
It's not like I have anything particularly unpleasant that needs doing, I guess they'd be treated as friendly maids or something.

See and think about . This board is just one of the victims.

It was fine until any of you retards used the slightest excuse to turn Yea Forums threads into a comfort zone for the crossboarder plague.

I personally think its a hassle to own slaves.
Unless I am running a cotton farm or something I would rather have a regular servant, somebody which I could pay to not run away or murder me in my sleep.

If you're a dumbass for giggles then real dumbasses will show up and won't stop being stupid
t. le quote png of wisdom

>not the original
Fuck off.

Because the slaves either want to have sex with him because he's so handsome or he's nice to them and then they want to have sex with him anyway

I can't think of a single isekai, even the edgy ones, where an MC owns slaves AND he's mean to them

To be fair unless you're literally just being a jackass 99% of the time there's absolutely no reason to be mean to them
All you can do is make them mad at you, like legit why bother

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I mean whether someone cared for their slave was a lot more polarizing than an inanimate tool. it's a lot more comforting for people to do away with nuance and see them as disposable.
not unlike how farmers won't name their animals and will cram them in tiny pens but if their kid grows attached to one it's suddenly a part of the family and gets treated like a pet dog. the human brain makes a distinction between things that deserve empathy and respect and things that don't, it's not comparable to the kind of respect you give tools.

I suppose? I mean you have to understand I think that most of the time slaves really weren't disposable if they weren't being deployed in mass for hard labour, at which point they're roughly as disposable as any other hired muscle. If nothing else, decent slaves were cunting expensive so it just made no sense to shit on them for no reason. Slaves weren't treated WELL but I think most of the time they weren't actively abused and in some sense they were cared for.

>it's the ancient equivalent of automation stealing jobs
the economic argument isn't so much that you're using a source of free labor. it's that the nation has a readily available source of "economic agents" they aren't being put to use. a civilization with 10,000 citizens is going to be more productive than a civilization with 8000 citizens and 2000 slaves.

It's almost like the Isekai genre is full of power fantasies that appeal to pathetic incels. The idealization of sex slavery is the logical next step.

rance is an isekai?

Yeah, I was just pointing out that there was also a socioeconomic aspect to it that added pressure to get rid of that shit because it got to the point where Italy was dominated by province-wide farms owned by single units and everyone else was stuck living off grain dole

God I wish I were Sill

Aw your feelings I'm sorry. I should've left you tikes alone with your edgy rp

Isekai that isn't strictly focused on comedy is absolutely abhorrent in general, though.

Why do none of these Isekai visit the different types of slavery that we see through Human History? Not even the most common one of Indentured Servitude.

native isekai actually

>Slaves weren't treated WELL but I think most of the time they weren't actively abused and in some sense they were cared for.
I don't know about ancient ancient Rome, but the majority of labor slaves of the past few centuries were absolutely not treated. I have no idea where you got that idea from.

It's because the writers of isekai are hacks who aren't interested in making a realistic character but instead want to make a bland MC that the reader can self-insert as and vicariously live out his power fantasies. It's also why isekai MCs act like sociopaths who don't hesitate to kill the moment they arrive to a new world, even though they were average students/NEETs before who had probably never seriously fought before in their lives.

There are isekai'd characters in Rance, but I don't think Rance himself counts as an isekai'd hero.

That isn't a thing, that's just called fantasy

A better question is why are slaves almost always explicitly sex-slaves?

I'm not going that deep for you. Look up research on mirror neurons, empathy, psychopathy, criminal reform, get some damn life experience, and deduce for yourself what type of person has value.

We see innocent slaves treated well, but surely not all innocent slaves are treated well in the setting. Some of the innocent slaves we do see have histories of abuse.

Yeah I really can't think of any where MC had slaves and is mean to them. None translated anyway.
In the realm of untranslated, there's a good bit though
This is good, MC is probably as mean and careless as it gets and all his slaves are treated as nearly completely disposable. Story is worthless outside of fapping reasons though
novel18.syosetu.com/n9819et/

Those aren't likely to escape, and would basically be given a free home and food just to teach kids stuff like arithmetic, philosophy and how to take dick.

Very cool /pol/

>at which point they're roughly as disposable as any other hired muscle
the Caribbean had enough slaves for a self sustaining population, but they worked them to death faster than they could reproduce. I don't see how that isn't disposable.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_British_and_French_Caribbean#Anglo-American_slavery

no, Kentaro and Miki were isekai'd from Japan to Rance's world. it's native isekai to its truest meaning.

>A better question is why are slaves almost always explicitly sex-slaves?
They're not always. Most Isekais show the male slaves being labor in the background. It's just that since most Isekai MCs are horny teens, the slavemasters know what their interests are (Just like the writer knows what the interests of his readers are)

Right but this is all new world shit
I get that's the general reference point but new world slavery in many ways was the exception to the historical rule. It's actually that that I'm sort of protesting, people should realize that new world shit really isn't the norm for slavery as an institution.

I think I have more experience than you, really. I assign values to people, I just don't go and say they should be executed while also pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. Relative moral absolutism is the worst of all fucking worlds, even being a straight nihilist is better. Actually, are you the Objectivity dude?

>heh I'm not going to post a source
>i-it's out there I-I just can't be assed

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Because giving the MC sex slaves allows the author to give the MC a bunch of beautiful women without having to bother establish any complicated reasons for why the characters met or why the women decided to follow him. And those women then have to submit to their master and he doesn't need to bother trying to win them over since they're his property. Which also means that he can fuck them or do whatever he wants with them. It's an obvious power fantasy that some people like.

Study history, bans on slavery were motivated b religion

>Study history
That would ruin the neat good and evil narratives his peabrain comprehends

All history is motivated by class struggle.

t. garl margs :DD

> You’d think someone from the current era would find the practice appalling.
The character, being a self-insert for the reader, is indifferent to modern society and its values. Hence the appeal of escaping to a less restrictive society where the MC has special powers. The reader can vicariously experience projecting his will on others in ways he can't do in real life.

>bans on slavery were motivated b religion
I know of a few religions that promote slavery too. What's your point?

>200 posts
>7 pictures
This is the sign of a lively discussion or a shitstorm

I'm pretty sure an isekai is supposed to be where the main characters are isekai'd, Kentaro and demon gf are just along for Rance's ride.

talking about slavery always causes a shitstorm

Demon gf got a pretty raw deal

*demon KING gf

Slavery wasn't a racial thing for almost all history, racism started to be relevant in the XIX century thanks to the science of that age

slavery basically takes a person and rids them of their economic potential and participation in the markets

people naturally gravitate towards labor that pays the most for their skillset which increases their own wealth and the nations gdp, natural efficiencies, but slavery pretty much says, no, you just do this from now on, who cares about efficient distribution of labor via personal motivations

probably because slavery is always aggressively pushed as an answer onto the MC. and the reason for buying a slave in every isekai makes less and less sense.

>hey im new to this areaworld can you guys teach me common sense?
>lolno get a slave to teach you instead

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P.D: British empire was trying to end slavery worldwide during those ages

Pretty sure that's disputed by other demons

>Slavery wasn't a racial thing for almost all history,
But that's wrong. Groups always enslaved "their own" at a much lower rate than "The other".
>racism started to be relevant in the XIX century thanks to the science of that age
That's super wrong. All populations have always been racist as fuck, much more so than now. Eve the most hard core racist of today is a much softer version of the average person two hundred years ago.

It's not really up for dispute since LP is straight up the Demon King

that's not how it works.

Better question is why do all the Isekai dodge the reality of Slavery by having magical slavery enforcement spells / collars?

I'm not down to spend hours crafting a satisfying scientific argument for why not having empathy for the innocent makes you disposable.

I do have moral high ground over someone who does not/cannot have empathy for the innocent. This is like the argument that I'm just as bad as the bad guy if I kill him.

Where are you even coming from? Why would you want someone who would harm the innocent to live? They have practical value for their meat bodies but that's it. Answer me honestly, if a person would harm or kill your child because they have no empathy for innocent creatures, do you think they have the same right to live as your child?

>But that's wrong. Groups always enslaved "their own" at a much lower rate than "The other".
That's only because for most of history slavery was a result of conquest, battlefield captives, or raids, and it'd be fucking stupid and totally counterproductive to raid yourself. Even when it was motivated by 'otherness', it was almost always a result of culture and not ethnicity. Whether or not you were a little darker or whiter basically didn't factor into the equation for almost all of history.

is there any isekai where a guy just goes around putting those magic slave collars on random people just because he can?

There's much worst. There's one where every girl the MC fucks becomes his slave. It's absolute trash.

>answer me honestly
The concept of 'deserving' something is inherently fucking flawed, especially when it comes to living or dying. You should first define a desired endpoint and then we can think about whether or not it would be productive to kill them off. My kid doesn't 'deserve' to live (and mind, I actually do have a kid on the way), she simply 'will' live because I'll provide for her and want her to live happily. I'd stop someone who wants to hurt my kid, via force if necessary, because the end state is not desireable to me. Not out of some distorted and self-important idea of justice or deserved death.

The idea that you can actually with a straight face declare yourself a better person than someone else to me proves beyond any question that you are no such thing.

I thought chinks were supposed to be the people who talked about courting death. Clearly, this is not the case.

Racism =/= Xenophobia, people hated allmost anyone that wasn't born in their village.
>Groups always enslaved "their own" at much lower rate than the other
Non related with modern racism, the other were the people from the neighbour land or the ones that believed in another groups

Which one, PLIC?

religion*

>people should realize that new world shit really isn't the norm for slavery as an institution.
do we even have reliable accounts of the treatments of slaves back then? I mean Thomas Jefferson wrote about how well he treated his slaves but that's not indicative of how slaves were treated as a whole.

>the biggest being that serfs were not actually property, just attached to the land which was property

In Russia serfs could actually be sold separately from the land.

>I can't think of a single isekai, even the edgy ones, where an MC owns slaves AND he's mean to them
The times when the MC is mean to them generally are when he won't have sex with them when they want it.

>Why is it, that the MC in Isekai, they’re so comfortable with slavery?
>You’d think someone from the current era would find the practice appalling.
Slavery has only ever been banned once in history -- by white Christians. We just forced other cultures to abide by our rules because of western supremacy. If whites disappeared from the planet, the rest of the "people" would just enslave each other again. It's already going on in parts of Africa and the Middle East where we lost significant influence after WWI.

Russian serfdom was a totally different beast from 'normal' feudal serfdom to be honest

To be honest a stupid fucking faggot going on and on about how he shouldn't drink before being 18 and miso soup and MUH monogamy would get on my nerves too

well, you don't need labor to make too many economic decisions when 90% of the population is going to do nothing but farm anyways.

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Was completely normal for the majority of human history, it's not a god given right to live as a free human being but a privilege.
I don't really see a reason why I should be against slavery if it's completely normal in the isekai.

Slavery enforced by magic seals is the surest way to get true loyalty for people who dont believe in human loyalty(target audience)

you're not wrong

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unironically this

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African tribes regularly raided each other for slaves and sold them to Arabs first and whites later. They still do.

because is worse for economy

In slavery you own slaves as your own property to deal however you like
In serfdom all serfs are "property of the country", you basically lease them from the government and must provide to them in accordance to the countrys law

I want an Isekai where the MC gets reincarnated into a slave.

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To be fair when a single Wizard 20 can make the world economy of today look like two cavemen trading a rock for a stick who cares?

Didn't stop the Romans form conquering everything around the Mediterranean sea, how bad can it be?

Born from a slave mother, and the father is another iseka'd person?

What about Mato Seihei no Slave Chapter? The main character is a slave to a sexy dom. It takes place in an alternate world for the most part but it's probably not technically an isekai, though.

It actually almost did by our current understanding
The Roman economy relied hugely on unrelenting expansion and plunder. It's no real coincidence that it began falling apart almost as soon as it stopped conquering.

Idea of "god given rights" is a drivel
Only rights are your might to make things the way you want

In a lot of isekai stories there are literally laws handed down by Gods and the Gods specifically allow or even encourage slavery.

Cool, you're my slave now. Better start cleaning and cooking before I beat your ass.

>if something is acceptable under very specific circumstances, that means that it must be desirable in all situations
based retarded user

Why is that a silly idea?

>You should first define a desired endpoint and then we can think about whether or not it would be productive to kill them off.
Endpoint should be to reduce the suffering of the innocent as much as is acceptable.

>My kid doesn't 'deserve' to live (and mind, I actually do have a kid on the way), she simply 'will' live because I'll provide for her and want her to live happily.
>>>My kid doesn't 'deserve' to live
The fuck my dude. Hard disagree. I think your child does deserve to live you gigantic faggot.

>Not out of some distorted and self-important idea of justice or deserved death
Justice? People who would harm innocent are incompatible with the things I would protect- the innocent.

>I thought chinks were supposed to be the people who talked about courting death. Clearly, this is not the case.
Are you really against the death penalty for

t. brainlet

>the fact that slavery was a black mark on the young America from everyone else's point of view

In the years preceding the civil war the economic output of the southern plantations was stagnant. Slavery is only remunerative when its being fed more land, more slaves, or both(one of the reasons the Roman Republic was almost always neck deep in debt when it wasn't conquering its neighbors.) In the US at the time the southern slave system was being increasingly boxed in as new states voted to keep slavery out, having seen how it ruined the small landowner and precluded more vigorous industrial development, hence the flooding of Kansas with goons to strong arm a pro-slave state vote from the populace.
On the whole Europe was fine with slavery in the US, as it needed those cash crops to support its own industry, even the north was fine with slavery so long as it wasn't in economic conflict with industrial capitalism, which is why blacks were thrown back onto the plantations after the end of the reconstruction era.

*for irreedemable people?

Because you are an hypocrite.
Everybody will be fine with slavery, it's just cultural.

Ethically speaking, the moment I found myself in a world with game mechanics, I would assume it was indeed a game and not the real world. Therefore the agency of others and all rules of decent conduct are right out the window because it's just a game.

they were in a catch 22 at that point they were worried further expansion would make things even more unstable due to the limits in communication and the size of their territories they had to manage

/pol/tards btfo

If you started acting like an irredeemable cunt you would just get hunted down as an outlaw and slaughtered. Acting like the world is a game and nobody has rights is a high-tier death flag in isekai

>Isekai'd to a new world
>magic is real
>many different races are now about
>monsters are everywhere and can kill me instantly
>demons, devils and dragons are real and can use powerful magic that can kill me instantly
>expected to defeated the strongest demon/devil/dragon in the world
>slavery is real

"OH BOY DO I NEED TO FIX THIS SLAVERY ISSUE FIRST"

i find funny at this point that you can't maintain any kind of argument without pulling the "m-muh pol" card

Not even Roland tries to directly attack that shit.

Lorist deals with it cleverly.

>Endpoint should be to reduce the suffering of the innocent as much as is acceptable.
Good for you, I can sympathize with that. It isn't an objectively correct answer, and you're not morally superior for having a belief that I can agree with.

>I think....
I don't...really care how you think. Nobody deserves anything. The world does not owe you anything. You are not entitled to anything. You may want things, and you may have or recieve things, but you don't 'deserve' it.

>People who would harm innocent are incompatible with the things I would protect- the innocent.
Honestly the fact that you think yourself in a position to say you're going to protect people at all makes me think you're just puffed up. Categorically speaking, innocence isn't really a property that is or isn't there. More importantly, one who would harm those who don't 'deserve' it isn't necessary the same as one who actually goes and does it, and those who actually go and do it are not always those who would do so. You don't have to be a psychopath to hurt someone, nor do all psychopaths hurt people.

>death penalty
No, I don't really care. It's more or less irrelevant to me, although it seems economically expedient. I just find it funny that you believe yourself to be so free from blame that you can pass judgement on others from your perch up high.

I did mention that it's economically stupid as well, I'm just pointing out that it was also a political issue from an international point of view that kept the US from being a respectable nation.

If you're in a game then you're just a character in the game and thus the game is real to you.

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Or Godwin's law. There's your answer.

>that time I was reborn as a slave trader

Not with my cheat abilities they won't.

Im mainly uncomfortable with the way japanese draw toes

when I see those pointy little abominations, I just say 'you know what, I didn't really feel like fapping anyway'

Then the real world is pretty edgy

Feet and hands are like the ultimate challenge for artists to be fair

>implying that faggot ever logs off Yea Forums
What does the real world have to do with him?

Technological progress led to the redundancy of slavery.

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>self-inserting

That MC does nothing wrong by buying slaves like those and using them like they knew they would be by selling themselves as sex slaves for money. Why would he want to buy men enslaved because they were criminals?

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the whole "me modern man" bullshit isn't actually bullshit, people who were raised in a modern western or eastern society usually (rare exceptions) don't have the capacity for the sort of violence and neglect common in the American slave trade
Then there were other cultures' slave trades, which are regarded to have been more like indentured servitude in the first place

And being a slave is a choice. You can always try to fight back. You’ll likely die, but hey, it’s still a choice

Isekai means it's another world, dumbass. You have prior knowledge of a "real" world and thus know a world with game mechanics is preposterous. It is not real to you.

With that kind of mentality you're going to be the side character who's also transported that's the protagonist kills in an instant to show off his moral superiority.

wagey wagey get back in the cagey
>i-it's not the same
libtards defend this

>slaves are always innocent

You're doing it wrong, you're supposed to reply that to meme team. You've disturbed the natural order of things! The prophecy is undone, and now humanity will sink into 1000 years of darkness. Thanks a lot, user

I mean to be fair
1. "The Modern Man" is a culture and humans can adapt surprisingly quickly to cultural differences when real shit is on the line and they have no recourse to their old culture
2. It's especially horseshit in tensei stories where their brain literally experiences formative moments again. Sure they might already be an adult but ten years of living in a totally different culture is going to cause some level of seepage.

It's real because you're in it you fucking mouthbreather, just because it used to be a game doesn't mean it effectively is one. If you get cunting stabbed you still hurt like fuck and die.

Because isekai mcs are NEETs with no drive, no morals and no goal beyond living easy and comfortable lives. They have no reason to go after slavery and the states that run it, that would just be a pain in the ass. The slave system itself is probably even good for them because they can just buy the sexslave they always dreamed of.

Start picking the cotton, slave.

>Lorist
Who and how?
IIRC, Roland's plan was to attack slavery by making it obsolete.

in growth cheat the two chicks he gets both have some justification for being slaved. haru was the daughter of one of the demon lord's 4 generals. and carol is an accidental manslaughterer that needs specialized care to stop it from happening

The majority of isekai have pretty convincing justifications for the slavery of the specific individuals.

>2. It's especially horseshit in tensei stories where their brain literally experiences formative moments again. Sure they might already be an adult but ten years of living in a totally different culture is going to cause some level of seepage.
yeah true, no way in hell the MC isn't desensitized to most slavery after about 3 months at most

>Implying we aren't corporate slaves one way or another

Has there ever been an isekai where the protagonist is transported to a world that does NOT have slavery, and he introduces the concept himself?

Even if that slavery sometimes ends up being a mistake that could have had the opposite result, the reason for it can be good.

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>japanese wokou pirates raiding up and down japan and china for wealth and slaves
Now there is an anime series just itching to be made!

yea, but those plot points are used for more then JUST slavery justification, haru was raised to worship the demon king by her dad and still does and carol ends up enjoying her power over monsters eventually.

the assmad this would cause would make a 3-season run worth every cent

not yet, but you can fix that

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>I don't...really care how you think. Nobody deserves anything. The world does not owe you anything.
That's real deep bruh but here in human reality we operate in a framework where people can deserve things.

>Honestly the fact that you think yourself in a position to say you're going to protect people at all makes me think you're just puffed up.
I said "would".

>Categorically speaking, innocence isn't really a property that is or isn't there.
I feel like you're arguing from a non-human reference where nothing matters and concepts aren't real enough.

>More importantly, one who would harm those who don't 'deserve' it isn't necessary the same as one who actually goes and does it, and those who actually go and do it are not always those who would do so
Agreement here, with the caveat that in some cases there isn't much difference between a person's quality pre-action and post-action. I don't think of a would-be murderer without any opportunities to murder as a valuable person. I guess opinions reached by thinking are invalid to you at this point though.

>I just find it funny that you believe yourself to be so free from blame that you can pass judgement on others from your perch up high.
I'm not blameless, but the hypothetical person who feels no empathy for the innocent(reminder the initial poster was being edgy and we both know it) is very easy to judge, not that weird.

Introducing Slavery in Another World! I Can't Believe I've Been Reincarnated Into A Scumbag!?

I can't write harem, so I can't write isekai.

most slaves in isekai arent really slaves (well some are), more like some sort of combination between a serf, indentured servant, and ww2 comfort women.

Look at all the westernshit, some of the popular ones have no harem.

shit who doesn't want a cute slave girl to give head pats to and sleep at the end of your bed, keeping your feet warm. Only problem would be you would have to give her baths and take her outside to go to the bathroom.

I mean, he literally gets off to killing girls, and describes the tightening as one dies the best thing in the world. And in the prologue he jacks off to a bunch of little girls dying from his order to fight to the death with like no armor on. There's a difference between a mean protagonist and THAT.

When they are given an opportunity for a harem that's expected in the setting and turn it down, it only makes them worse, regardless if they are popular or not..

well you should start by executing all jews and muslims because white slavery is extremely common in the middle east

Most slaves in isekai are like meth addicts except instead of meth they're addicted to the MC giving them any form of attention whatsoever.
>oh, the MC glanced in my direction for 0.3 seconds! Ah, i'm cumming~!

>some

Because furries deserve to be slaves.

>gets repaid proportionally whenever he does a thing

Yeah, no.

>protag gets isekai'd
>gods gift him power to enslave people
>no slaveration in current world, mc is vehemently against using his power
>goes to town and starts interacting with townspeople fast forward
>there is a symptom spreading across new mages in training, excess magic out of their control, nobody can do anything about it.
>drastically lowers their lifespan and they are a danger to nearby places and people
>MCs slave magic fixes that condition and excess magic gets transferred to him with no problem
>becomes worlds greatest mage
>slavemaster doctor goes around saving people but they are indebted to him even without being slaves (but they are still his slaves)
manga comes out 2021
anime comes out in 2023

>That's real deep bruh but here in human reality we operate in a framework where people can deserve things.
According to you. People don't deserve things, society hands out carrots and sticks that the members of said society have agreed upon, and the justification for this is that they 'deserve' it. Read up on basically any other culture at all and you'll see that what is and is not 'deserved' changes massively.

>I say would
And that's why you're puffed up. Who the fuck do you think you are?

>I feel like you're arguing from a non-human reference where nothing matters and concepts aren't real enough.
I'm arguing from the fact that nobody is totally innocent and nobody has no innocence left in them. Almost everyone, including people you find reprehensible, have logic that makes sense to them when they decide to do what they do. People aren't divided into stupid people and intelligent people like yourself, or amoral fuckwits and moral paragons like yourself. They're just normal people trying to do normal things.

>I don't think of a would-be murderer without any opportunities to murder as a valuable person.
Why not? Almost anyone is a would-be murderer when pushed far enough and many people would murder if they had to but simply don't want to because they're not desperate. A murderer to-be can still contribute to society. Cao Cao was a wonderful poet and legal theorist. Napoleon left the Code Napoleon. Tolkien fought in the Great War. Grow up man. People are not angels nor demons. They're just people.

>is very easy to judge
Judge not lest ye be judged you fucking faggot
Get off your high horse. You can dislike someone but realize you're literally better than nobody and also worse than nobody, by the modern western morals you're operating off of.

Keep crying retard.

That's most harem members but doubly true for slaves, never even thought of it like that. Laughed pretty hard at it.

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>I got reincarnated but the Wang Empire has banned me for being too addictive!?

>isekai that's like the Opium Wars except instead of opium it's the MCs headpats
fund it

Nice fucking thread you got here you faggot
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>(((you))) need to go back and kys.
Kill yourself bracket poster.

This thread is not Yea Forums
The thread opener was Yea Forums, but most of the discussions are not Yea Forums

Either delete the irrelevant posts/discissions, or delete this thread.

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>Buy High, Sell Low the post

MT gets anime
Kumo gets anime
even joke like quarter gets one

Because isekai romanticize it.

Slavery as a real institution dehumanize everyone involved with it. A manga that treated the matter seriously and without levity would make you very uncomfortable.

Oh, well, I didn't think anyone was going to
click the link anyway

>still calls others edgy even though he wants to execute people who are mentally broken
The proper, not-broken response would be to try and fix the “edgy” people, instead of executing them. That makes you edgy and lacking empathy

*damps eet*

>be neet
>get isekai'd with your usual cheat power, money out of the ass and maxed out charisma stat
>first thing you see is slave trader
>produces 10/10 elf or kemomimi infront of you
>"oh no, if I'm not buying this quality meat then some saturday morning cartoon villain noble will!"
>buy her and pretend you saved her

Bonus points for
>make her emotionally dependand on you
>"you are free now"

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Thor in Ragnarok

after 50 years, a voice rings inside him
>dude what the fuck, I reincarnated you with cheat power so you can learn something! and you waste 50 years doing nothing but collecting harem slave girl of demi human?
>that's it, I'm hitting the reset button. Also taking some of your cheat, good luck

There's fantasy stories like that though, usually the MC goes apeshit quickly by knowing the ins and outs of the world.

the self inserting otaku love the idea of a sexual slave devoted to them

There's that one about the elf who emancipates his race and builds a nation.

>slavery is appalling
>implying you wouldn't buy a cute slave girl the first thing once you get isekai'd
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade

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>the self inserting otaku
You don't?

The voice is a goddess, and the MC has already become so powerful he aims to make the goddess as part of his slave harem?

Not first, that's getting the money to start buying the slaves, unless you get them free once their old owner died.

Why do you find it appalling? Is it because society told you so?
No need to answer, that's literally the only reason.

Slavery is a moral blackness that's as fun to think about as the idea of having captive beautiful women. If I were in a combat oriented RPG world, and I was presented with an institution of slavery, I would be pleased to have such a clear class of people with inferior morals to fight against.

The self-inserting otaku somehow can believe he'd be the greater inheritor of magical power: but not that he'd be able to hold female attention without some in or hook.

Of course not, MC tried to do exactly what he did in previous loop, but since some of cheat was taken he finally taste defeat and failure the first time since he get into this world.

>implying I wouldn't take the chance to buy a cute slave if I could
Gib neko slave

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I bet you wouldn't be so happy if a cute girl bought you instead

>buy cutie
>kill slave merchant
>have both the cutie and the money

Man, why are isekai MCs so retarded?

Wageslavery is superior to regular slavery.

Think again.

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if god didn't want him to do that then why did he drop him off in front of a slave trader with cute girls instead of fuckall nowhere? sounds like god is being a bitch.

Rance slaves are infatuated with him, and even if they aren't at first they become once he dicks them

It's funny that everyone is fine and loving slavery while assuming it will never be them who is the slave.
If you were actually slave master material you would've done something with your life by now.

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The average isekai writer has right-wing sensibilities so probably see the Korean comfort women with nostalgia

and how do you kill the slave masters without killing all their slaves? master says "kill him or die trying" and bam that cute elf girl slave will try to shank you so your only option is too kill all the slaves and their masters which makes the kingdom consider you a fucking psycho and sends the army to stop your crazy ass and then you are forced to kill them too.

>get isekai'd
>first thing you do is become a murder hobo so you can afford the slave girl that made your dick hard
finally someone I can self insert into.
Also the artist has such a delicious way of drawing the girls.

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It's a power fantasy, it's exactly as outlandish as hoping Stockholm syndrome will kick in on your slave harem. It's not realistic at all.

This. Yea Forums thinks that by rebelling against modern society that they would be the ones on top. In truth, they’ll still be in the same spot, much like the farmers who fought for communism.

Well I’m definitely not slave material

MC cheat power makes that just as irrelevant as it does everything else.

there was one about an MC getting transported to a prehistoric world where he gets enslaved by a bunch of amazons, but its only in nip

For those who are opposed to slavery, what exactly would you do for a person who is not innocent, not repentant, not willing to pay for damages of whatever they've has done, and has no intent of changing for the better?

Isn't that basically Your and My Asylum? Not Japanese though.

We need to views of his slaves with panties like that, or just using their finger. The covering with her hand, a sheet, or off the page shouldn't be necessary.

turned into girl and mating press'd

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Kill them or imprison them forever. Having slavery as punishment just encourages the benefactors of slavery to promote the enslavement of innocent people, or at least victimless criminals.
Benefiting from free labor is part of the evil of slavery.

If he broke the law, send him to prison. Otherwise cut ties with him.

That one is amusing.

Kill them. What makes that person a good slave? Most slaves back then were captured by armies or are petty criminals. You sound like you’re justifying slavery by pretending that all slaves did something bad.

I masturbate to femdom on the daily, I would

>get the state to pay money instead of making money

Yeah sure, that will go over well with the people. People who are probably starving already will gladly pay for your prisons where they feed criminals.

Okay man I do not have the energy or time to continue this verbose argument, but I respect your opinion and wish you a good day

They don't want to have sex with him at first, they basically forced themselves to have sex and you can see the mc is getting more and more agitated if the girls don't start doing lewd things or resist his touch.
>written by a woman
>shit emotional drama because one slut died
An example of a fake chad.

It's better to take the burden instead of profiting off it.
Forcing prisoners to work is just one more way the rich jew the poor.

>talking about escapist fantasy
>ok dude but WHAT IF BAD THING HAPPENS TO YOU
yeah no shit, and if you imagine being in a shounen you probably would also be the cannon fodder who gets killed by the villain to give a motivation to the mc

>kill slave merchant
>no one else can provide you with cutie
not a smart move

>Real life slave harem isekai
Best part is that gook and chinks fucking love Japanese crap

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A realm man acquires his own cuties.

Op be honest. If you could be a cut girl/Demi human girl slave wouldn’t you? Or would you simply let the old fat bastards get them?

There is nothing with slavery, unless you are slave.

If you actually bring this up Korea will basically explode
There were diplomatic incidents over literally just not bringing it up a few years ago

In that one, they knew what they were getting into by selling themselves to be used for sex for the money, even if it was to pay a debt.

no point in that if you already went down the route of owning slaves, might as well be bros with a slave trader you can trust and get your monthly pick of furry slaves

Is this isekai dead?

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>isekai MC
>bros with anyone

Besides, I freed them and they're now totally hanging on to me and shit because I'm nice. Just rinse and repeat until all the cuties are free

>not innocent
>not repentant
>has no intent of changing for the better
Find them a line of work that both appeals to their logic and plays to their strengths-

>not willing to pay for damages of whatever they've done
Sounds like this person doesn't want to fit in the society they disrupted; suicide by cop? Were they aware that they could get the death penalty if they don't recompensate?

That fourth detail's the deal-breaker.

>isekai MC
>bros with anyone
not that rare, even Kirito was bros with some guys

I wonder if that one user died from sickness a few days back and is now constructing his empire like he promised.

Well, the modern industry is incestous and both the creators and the audience share far right ideas and romanticize Imperial Japan. Wasn't an isekai some years ago about Japan winning WW2 with magic?

didn't happen

Practically speaking, no civilized country actually has a large enough population of chaotic evil maniacs to justify building a system of punitive labor around.

>t. Abe

It wouldn't go over well with the Chinese or Koreans, so at least they wouldn't 'love Japanese crap'.

Of course this comes with the assumption that they broke the law, otherwise they are just a massive dick. Who would pay for imprisoning them? Food and water and any other misc stuff have costs that add up. Even if you have something like the DnD Imprisonment spell or some kind of soul stone to hold them forever, hiring someone to cast that spell or finding/crafting whatever kind of soul stone seems like labor, and therefore costs money unless you have some volunteers/donors. Who would pay for those associated costs? Also, let's say a family lost a breadwinner due to a criminal who is then killed off / imprisoned or whatever. That criminal may have gotten their comeuppance, but that family is still in a bad position due to loss of income; is it really justice in that case? I do realize, once you take a look at modern prisons, that it sure did slippery-slope into free labor in a sense, but simply killing off prisoners really shrugs off the burden of recompensation. Not to mention simply imprisoning someone who won't change is simply slow torture that drains everyone's resources if you aren't going to make them earn their keep or more.

Chinks have their own brand of isekai were they genocide entire countries and take revenge by killing the entire family of their target so nobody can retaliate so it evens out

To be fair it's not really about whether or not they're repentant and more about the fact that they've hurt society and should work to repair it

He was only bros with his dead virtual boyfriend.
Klein gets ignored and used as the butt of every joke by that fag despite being a million times more broish and charismatic than he is and the black guy doesn't even get that, he only keeps in contact with him so he can use his bar as a meeting place for him and his shitty harem.

Because it's propaganda, noone even cared about nanking or the rape until the 80's when suddenly to counter their economic boom china and US started attacking japan for it.
Most of the korean slaves are just sluts and whores bought off to satisfy the army.

Just stops on the road for flavor, quests and laughs. Not one actual equal or real mate.

The Chinese had been whimpering about it for ages and the photos had been a thing since it happened, in fact we have German letters expressing disgust over it back to Hitler. It's not some new thing, it's just that the West suddenly decided to care.

This is why harsh imprisonment is a destructive tactic in any civilization without taxation and a welfare system to support said families and pay jailers. It would be far cheaper to focus on reducing the total amount of chaotic evil maniacs and rehabilitating violent offenders, while having light sentences for nonviolent or victimless convicts.

The Japanese otaku community being too far right even for the Japanese right-wing is a well-known fact. Even the SnK author received backlash in Korea for praising the Japanese army actions in Korea

Can you prove otherwise?

Well yeah I know
The Chinese and Koreans still dislike that shit and tend to try to pretend it doesn't exist, and will just outright boycott things if they go too far
Personal views are one thing but actually praising it in-series almost guarentees it'll get shitpiled abroad

yeah no shit its romanticized, that's the point.
If I wanted to know about the actual implications of slavery I would read a history book.

>Having slavery as punishment just encourages the benefactors of slavery to promote the enslavement of innocent people, or at least victimless criminals.

You know what happens with the prison industrial complex in the USA? Exactly this.

>rape of nanking
>korean comfort women
the japanese are just horny repressed little slavers
humans*

I want an isekai where a guy gets reincarnated as a cute little sheep boi who's also a slave

except it's not really a system by itself, just instead of "i sentence you to death" it's "i sentence you to slavery" and then get the collar or whatever snapped on.

some isekai even have it be impossible to wrongfully get innocents due to various magics and effects.

Sorry, uh, it actually came with the assumption of that dumb 'mind-control-choker-or-whatever' trope. Basically some way to make someone work against their will. And nah, my post still refers to non-innocent, non-repentant, not willing to change, and not willing to recompensate any damages they've done. Of course innocent people who got turned into slaves without their consent and have done nothing wrong don't deserve slavery, but that's not the target of this question.

Fucking this.
Who gives a shit about other people? I don't want to be part of a system where some shit luck might cause me to end up being the fag who gets enslaved.

nanking is fake chink outrage and all evidence points to it being fabricated

Healslut Chapter 15 is up now.
Abbot and his party go on a rescue mission into the ruined city of Mirno and have to escape a horde of the undead.

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Since when a board that posts sexualized underage girls on the daily and has daily posts detailing sexual fantasies with them has people who get this outraged at fictional depictions of slavery?
Just enjoy the cat eared slaves you fucks

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This

I've never read healslut, does it have demi human slave and all other silly isekai tropes?

Reminder that any all-powerful MC who chooses to fuck around with his slave harem instead of improving the shitty isekai world is an awful person and deserves no praise for doing some nice whenever he feels like it.

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>I'm not down to spend hours crafting a satisfying scientific argument for why not having empathy for the innocent makes you disposable.
>moraltards unironically believe a scientific argument for their feelings is possible

This. Anyone who has the power to stop terrible things from happening, but doesn't, is responsible for the evil himself.
An MC who just wants to be an almighty bystander is just a more lighthearted kind of scum.

No, the protagonist is a shota-priest who travels about with his party healing people
It's a Homebrew on RR, they're generally less tropey by a bit.

because it is bait and some fall for it leading to shitstorm

I'm honestly fine with an MC who doesn't want to stop any evil or doesn't give a shit about people suffering, specially if he admits it.
What does annoys me is when that same apathetic faggot goes and saves some cute girl and everyone starts sucking his cock and praising him for being so heroic and selfless and shit.
It feels hypocritical as fuck.

I think it mentioned one of the countries still practicing slavery, but I don't think he's gone there yet. We know there are beast folk though.

agata tier shota and female party member right?

I have no idea who Agata is.

>I want to see a story with a male MC and a female character who actually and consistently blows him out in terms of firepower and possibly intellect until the very end
novelupdates.com/series/transition-to-another-world-landmines-included/

Some of us try to, but diverting it from bait to the proper kind of discussion doesn't work when so many fall for it.

>this thread is still up
>but the ones that actually discuss isekai get deleted
Good job mods

hush

they are villainess and deserves to be banished.

I dunno. It's probably realistic. Your moral standards are probably not as concrete as you may think.

The jannys like this topic because they can sympathize with someone who serves an autistic nip cunt for free.

heretic, leave this place now!

He draws shit tier shota anyway

This. Not everybody is Mr Rogers.

I did some googling, but couldn't find this one.
Got a title?

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>Trying to slut off Abbot
Shame on you, he's a pure boy.

I would like to read this, as well.

Shota's exist for _______

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Anyone keeping up with Otome Mob? The situation has gotten really bad politically. Leon pretty much flipped the bird to both Milane and Vince. He doesn't seem to realize that what he's done this volume is burn both bridges. Guess he's getting a promotion to king.

what a shitty world, introduce falconry to these plebs

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Truck-kun takes falcons too

Elf Tensei Kara no Cheat Kenkoku-ki
Tensei though.

Fucking slave apologists, I would begin an immediate slave revolution and topple the shitty dictator/monarchy.
Democratic/Republic is the god approved way of ruling and will be enforced.
No monopoly of rich property or resources by merchants and businessmen and education is free.
SLAVES RISE UP

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>Elf Tensei Kara no Cheat Kenkoku-ki
>Tensei
Thanks

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>Democratic/Republic
>god
>No monopoly of rich property or resources by merchants and businessmen and education is free.
fuck you commie

>you will never get iskaied and buy someone from your old world after their failed slave revolution
why even live?

>start writing
>all my free time evaporates
Thanks a lot.

>demon lord sweeps in and enslaves you and everyone else again

>Fucking slave(s)
GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE

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>commie
I don't think you know what that means, communism is good moral dependent which is why it will fail.
Ego.

Degenerates who enjoy isekai have no morals, taste, or standards.

Fuck "nice guy that buy slaves" apologist meme, I want an MC that is a Slave merchant or Slaver. Any neet or loser that is transported to another dimension with OP powers, would be a fucking scumbag abusing its powers.

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yes
so what political scenario you expect?

writers are too pussy for that
closest we have are Overlord, RE: Monster

Theres korean kinda-porn-kinda-manhwa about dude ending up in idillic tropical island with proto-elves who all live in perfect peace and happiness not knowing anything, even fire, just eating fruits aplenty on trees around and fucking/playing their entire lives with not a care in the world
Needless to say he ruins it very thoroughly

I wish I could do it aswell. It took me so fucking long to write my first chapter, it's not even funny. Maybe I should've started in my native language instead.

This is it, right?

One that either keeps the best for himself, or at least makes sure they are used by the time they are sold, even if it means less profit.

no prob

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Yeah. Stay here and don't bring troubles to other innocent threads.

I hated that story so fucking much.
Faggot was thrown into the fucking Garden of Eden but had to fuck it all up to satisfy his power boner.

fuck the sex scenes were good
and like every gook stories it had a shit ending

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I can see Milane join his harem.

sauce?

>tfw wrote my isekai but mods killed the minotaur
>no one to read my isekai so I'm forced to upload it onto Royal Road
This is the worst feeling

>closest we have are Overlord, RE: Monster
No, the closest is Himekishi ga Classmate.

Just link it

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A World That I Rule

What happened to the minotaur

poor guy :(

royalroad.com/fiction/23907/bernhard-in-the-shadows-hunting-in-another-world/chapter/345162/chapter-0-prologue

Mods had an autismo fit as usual

Jahy hired the mods to give him cement shoes so she could monopolize the homebrew market.

Minotaurs are probably unironically strong enough to just swim up even with cement shoes

>somebody finally wrote an Isekai about a guy who hunts Isekai protagonists.

We all knew it had to happen someday.

It's also a matter of stamina.
They would need to be able to swim back to the shore in that state.

Can't they just hulk smash their shoes

Slander

Human trafficking is cute and not fucked up!
Cute!

T-Thanks the fucking chain of ecchi manhwa that came with it VERY GOOD

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this is isekai cement shoe

What if it's a zombie minotaur?

Isekai holocaust soon.

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I doubt it. She had a major mental breakdown, especially since it was Erika and Leon who pretty much damned the royal family. Whether the two realize it or not, there will be blood. The kingdom is fucked.

>isekai general
Oh wow they just straight up called it that

I would just free them, I'm too much of a moralfag to own a slave.
If it comes down to the whole "They won't be able to take care of themselves" Thing, then I'll just offer them a job doing something.

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we have no home

>then I'll just offer them a job doing something.
Personal prostitute?

Leon is just going full retard. He says he's going to support the royal family while spitting in their face by breaking the engagement, then the Redgraves are getting pissed that their daughter is trying to do the same thing with no plan for the future. There's going to be war. The absolute dumbest thing is if Leon just married Angie and became King, he could at least stabalize things.

Also anybody better at moonrunes describe what Angie was talking about in regards to marrying Leon? Was she saying that her engagement would have been with the original dude Erika liked if Leon actually married the princess?

maybe leon wants to watch the world burn

He just has weird priority list lol

did this get cancelled or something? where are the new chapters

It shows he's not politically savvy. I recall in Sevens, the author kept mentioning how marriage for nobles was very much political and never very much about love. This is gonna explode so badly in Leon's face that he's gonna have to put down two people he really likes.

How much is too much?

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>did this get cancelled or something
No.

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wuxiaworld.com/novel/the-novels-extra/tne-chapter-272

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Do you even need to be politically savvy when you have a super broken spaceship?

No. He's still pretending that he can go retire to the countryside like he's been meming about since he first found Luxon. He's refusing to face reality and the whole nation is going to go up in flames because of it.

I mean even fucking Julius is all "Why don't you become King Leon? Angie is good with politics and would be a good queen. My brother would be a disaster and my mom is a foreigner who is losing all her power. You'll make a good King, and I can open up a kebab stand."

fucking sweet
saved

Comedy OPM-esque isekai would work for ultra OP characters

Upto where I read this never seemed credible and it also didn't sound funny.
At least in the gook Toy Car's IRFN the protag wanting to retire as a farmer after everything ends gradually starts to sound like a somewhat comedic denial of reality.

One of these is already too much, but could be interesting.
All of them is just boring.

>He's refusing to face reality
Isn't this nips in general

yes
he is not some assyrian madman.
well, as to be expected from a teenage MC, this will be good

>Secret Boss: Omega Hornrabbit

all isek/a/i in general
save a few

>If the ‘affection’ Boss had for me came from the guilt she felt towards me, I would have to confess to her one day.
>That Kim Hajin and Kim Chundong are different people, that the parents she killed have nothing to do with me. That I’m not a resident of this world, that my past isn’t really mine, and that she doesn’t need to feel guilty…
DO IT FAGGOT
HAHAHA

the guy who was translating it dropped it, nobody else has picked it up yet.

Because slavery is the only way for them to obtain women

He has enough power to fuck off with his waifus and family and build his own autistic mini-nation elsewhere.
I don't know why he bothers putting up with the stupid politics of that shitty kingdom other than the fact that he is a lazy beta nip.
It's not even an issue of being selfish. His relationship with the kingdom just doesn't work. They want different things, which leads to both sides giving a lot of unnecessary trouble to each other.

I can't even afford to keep myself, how can I afford to keep a slave?

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I mean, I personally find the irony funny that the man that can blow up a whole country can't just tell people to fuck off and leave him alone or actually flex his muscle to make people behave. Instead he tries to softball everything.

>I'd keep slaves if I got isekai'd
Why wait until you isekai'd?

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He must learn a lot from Erika since she lives through retired age until got isekaied.

Boss turned into a creepy, lonely cake spying on little children enjoying their puppy love.

maybe it has to do with his bad relation with his IRL sister, he seems them in the same way

She's a hell of a lot more responsible than he is, that's for sure. Angie too. Man, nobody suffers like Angie in this story. She's best girl and gets nothing but heartache.

Yeah, it's clear being ordered around by his sister in his previous life fucked him up pretty hard but it's about time he stops being such a bitch and does something to deal with the root of his problems instead of just dealing with trouble when it comes knocking at his door.

Part of the issue is that he likes both sides. They have both helped him greatly, where he's sweet on Milane and indebted to Vince. What he's trying to do right now is have his cake and eat it too. This is honestly the first time Vince and Milane have gotten so angry. It doesn't help that Angie is busy burning the Redgrave's bridge just as Leon destroyed his relationship with Milane. He's going to end up enemies to both sides in the end.

Fucking dropped. This manga can go fuck itself with barbed wire.

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This madman doesn't like Milkers?

I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE THAT FENRIR IS DEAD

Yeonha no what are you doing

Apparently not. I remember a while back we had a discussion when someone brought up body modifcation magic and people got into an autistic hissyf-, I mean a heated argument.

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WHERE THE FUCK IS COUPLET

Neither could Sahyuk.

>A group that wasn’t related to Djinns with the power to resist the Chameleon Troupe.
>A group of assassins that was founded by a legendary mountain hermit.
>Not many people knew that this long-forgotten group had revived in the far east.
Oh fuck, the Autismo Squad vs the Hashshashin soon.

Based and redpilled
shut up retarded nigger
>implying your fat weeb ass can make anyone its slave
you would become the slave if you were isekaid

>Evandel's zoo about to BTFO rock monster
cant wait

>The Association’s executive, Kim Yoonyong
new kim
1 per 8.03 chapters
how the rate has fallen

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RIP fenrir
sleep tight

the nine stars?

How can these losers ever recover?

Disgusting

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>depopulated Africa
>resurrects waifus
>murders chinks, frenchies and britbongs
Why is Orden supposed to be evil again?

>Why wait until you isekai'd?
Not that user, but maybe because my ass would get busted and I would have to share a prison cell with Jamal?

>murdering qt chinks and frenches
no

THEY KILLED HIS DOG
NOW IT'S PAYBACK TIME

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if only orden were a girl, hajin could have bullied him into his cake harem

he is not evil
he has the autismo ronery virus

Listen faggot, you can either go into my orchard and pick the apples, or I'm gonna go all Belgium on your ass, and throw you and your chopped off hands on the street to starve

All you have to do is kiss ass with the right people and they would supply you with small fries and PR specialists to take the blame for anything you might do.
You, like most rich connected people, would never pay for any crime, no matter how bad they are.

Or did you forgot to read news these past decades?

Moralfags have always been a nuisance to this board.

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pick the cotton nigger
and shut your fat lips

youtube.com/watch?v=zx3mgQ9gbE4

fuck yes

It's the natural order. The only people who would find it wrong are those who are wrong themselves, those who revere the unnatural.
Isekai MC's are often detached from the anti-natural modern order thus they can easily adapt to this new paradigm unbound from all the arbitrary holy dogmas of our failing and dying artificial new society.

are you objectively saying this?

t.

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nah man, too white
and also a theistic person.

while you were flirting with stacy, i studied the blade

Im a commoner, I dont have that power

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Just remember that you will be the slave, not the master you dream yourself as

please dont post photoshopped weight reduction pictures of me

Female maincharacters in isekai are for homosexuals and little girls.

Obviously, we're all little girls here.

Oh user, if only you knew that I'm actually a goblin.

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Remove gob.

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