Hurr Durr immortality is really a bad thing!

hard immortality is absolutely terrible
soft immortality (where you can voluntarily return to mortality when you get bored) has absolutely no downsides

Sengoku Youko gave its own immortal MC a really good ending. Despite the fact he actually outlived everyone he loved.

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Do we really know that? It's pretty amazing people can forget completely about something from 50+ years ago until something triggers a reaction in you to remember it? Who is to say all that information doesn't go into like an unused backlog part of your brain as storage?

Image being a kissless loser virgin with no friends who spends all your free time shitposting on a Mongolian basketweaving forum. Now imagine living a hundred times as long.

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ITT: people who are either young or lack the brain capacity to fathom how awful true immortality would be

>getting bored is just impossible
Until the earth dies and you're stuck floating in space for eternity.

It's simply a fact of physics, if memories take up space, no matter how small, you'd eventually run out of backlog in a few billion years.

immortality is in no way a bad thing so long as you can choose when to stop being immortal.

>mortals trying to comprehend immortality
Always funny to see

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>it's not a bad thing if I can alter the rules to complete nullify it
So it's a bad thing?

eventually, you will stop thinking

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But it is:
>friends and family dies(even a/user can if they live 1000 years)
>if you get trapped you're there forever
>eventually get bored of the world
>nothing surprises you anymore
>need to move out every 10, 20 years or people suspect of you being a monster
Inmortality is a curse is one of my favorites.

Go read Phoenix furture arc.
Still one of the best portray of immortality.

The MC there lives for 3 billion years and he literally end up become like an old testament god

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Could be as it is that as an immortal you'll just forget stuff naturally as you do irl. At least when it comes to unimportant things.

Immortality =/= invincibility though, IMO it'd be fine to be immortal as long as I could still kill myself through some method once I feel I've lived enough.

Were you expecting something good or original from Akamatsu?

One thing is Inmortality and the other is Eternal Youth. With EY you can die but you're allways healthy and young.
Inmortality is more fucked up, you will age and your body will make tumours due to cell mutation, but cant die.

I think it would be more along these lines. Yeah you will probably forget stuff eventually, but it is most likely the fluff information in the back of your head that is the first to go. I doubt you could really forget your name or lose your personality unless you just lived in complete isolation for hundreds of years long that you forgot stuff like that.

I also suppose you could keep a journal of sorts of highly valuable information that you look over again every few years to make sure you remember it.

Probably.

If were using blatant magic, we can probably get around that. Or augment you brain.

Its not like people remember most of their non-recent experiences anyway.

Also Fire punch ending where the MC and heroine live for so long the earth get destroyed.
they float forever in an emply space.

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What happens when he outlive humanity himself?

Because they want to portray immortals as humans.

It is a trope at this point.

Mizukami's dnd playing gods won't let that happen. They are monitoring him.

what was the name of that manga that had an AI taking care of human DNA on the south pole for millions of years after an apocalypse forced humans to leave earth? I read it years ago and it was very good and this thread just reminded me of it

>hard immortality is absolutely terrible
Just freeze yourself lad.

You just reminded me of some h manga with a similar premise. Except with fucking. I need to go see if that was ever finished.

Up there with
>i'm vampire woe is me!

this looks like generic shit

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Some interesting takes on the subject here, IMO. Some are just porn, though.

I'm not willing to dump hours to write a comprehensive essay about it, but tl;dr earthern life works and evolves thanks to collective processes of growth, propagation, decay and replacement within massive populations of independent units. Very similar processes also govern evolution of culture. An immortal being is essentially a blockade for both biological and social evolution, on both personal and collective level. This wouldn't be a problem if there's just a few immortal individuals among millions and they don't have a major influence on the society, but a hypothetical situation where everyone is immortal would mean death of any sort of evolution. This is why immortality is immoral.

Humans becoming immortal is generally depicted as shitty because humans are not meant to be immortal. We naturally seek an end and a conclusion and are minds cannot handle the infinite. Our consciousness would wear down over time and it’d difficult to keep our sanity. It wouldn’t be boring but it’d certainly leave you unsatisfied. We can only appreciate the happiness we find in our lives because it is so fleeting. I can’t say I’ve been immortal but when I’ve been freed of all obligations during different points in my life and had the time and energy to do anything I wanted, it just didn’t feel as entertaining since there was no need to moderate and structure. It’d be like if your mother let you eat ice cream for breakfast every morning. You’d enjoy it at first, but as you got used to it, it would lose its value and just be breakfast. Of course it’d still taste good but there’s no real novelty or wonder anymore.

>so many things to do!
>uhhhh video games and movies
I don't even play video games or watch movies now because I'm tired of them and they're mostly shit, why the fuck would I do it as an immortal?

Imagine the politician you hate most.
They are now in office forever.
Extrapolate that thinking to other aspects of life and you have a good reason why other people shouldn't be immortal.
Why shouldn't you? Imagine all your friends and family dying. Anime is banned, your favorite food stops existing.
But you don't. You keep going, stuck on the memories of the things you loved. You get to watch every mistake made fresh again and again and again in loops as nothing ever improves despite the technology changing.
And that's assuming you don't go deranged first. Someone asspulled a 2.5 petabyte estimate on human brain capacity, but even if it's much more or less it is finite and can be corrupted.

The last person I'll ever ask about their opinions of immortality is a fucking autistic NEET kys

Because it's a bad thing, and you'd have to be the ultimate brainlet to believe otherwise.

Immortality is only bad if once humanity dies out. Imagine floating around, alone, in empty space, permanently suffocating but never dying.

I can't imagine living forever, especially if you're dumb like me and will never have money.

What type of 'immortality' are we talking about here? Are we talking about being ageless, having a high regenerative factor or absolute immortality? I'd take the first two, because that means I can willfully end my life at any point to avoid human extinction or any other catastrophe. Absolute immortality would be great for the first 5~ billion years while the sun is still good, then when it eats Earth (and you, maybe) I imagine it'll be very boring. Then, if Andromeda hits the Milky Way, that'll be a spectacle but only if your sense of time is shifted to witness thousands of years fly by in seconds, otherwise it'll also be very boring. The main problem is humans were not designed with a sense of time into the hundreds or thousands of years, since our brains work on a second (minute, hour) time sense.

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In the near term you will have to deal with everything mentioned in this thread and then some.
If you're the only immortal or it's an unusual thing, then enjoy getting constantly wrecked by people who envy, hate, or want to dissect you.
Even the hardest form of immortality eventually leads to pic related.

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Because it's true

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Humans need purpose. And the fact that we have limited time helps us do things. What if you had infinite time? No need to rush? No need to worry. It's like playing a game with cheats on. Forever.

the immortals who saw the end of the universe is my favorite touhou doujin.
The ending is also incredibly upbeat, given what Mokou, Kaguya, Eirin and Sakuya had to suffer through.

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Life is boring without passion, I'd still probably accept immortality, but just keep in mind you got to find a way to keep yourself from not being bored, forever. What goal do you pursue if life is on easy mode?

I don't think there's such concrete rules around this shit.

The second ending isn't nearly so upbeat because it's not a loop.

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>not seeing immortality as a chance to experience, or maybe even influence, humanity's ascendance
You are small brains. I am big brain.

HOTEL

They'll outlive the black hole anyway

Because immortality is something people have wanted for millennia, and also something which could easily suck.

Towako really is a miracle of the universe. I heard it's doing very well in sales. Next volume is in two weeks.

Because they understand the implications that your 12 year old ass does not.

imagine being immortal but also having your head cutoff. It would suck.

It's also something that's quite significant in Tensei Slime, however there at least there are several characters who have an unlimited lifespan, so there "immortality" is not all that special there, relatively speaking. But it's not easy to find fellow immortals who are also willing to become friends, which is why Milim is so attached to Rimuru, as Slimes are likely not limited by lifespan either due to being purely made from magicules. Not that it matters since later events definitly make him immortal anyway.

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There's no time for us.
There's no place for us.
What is this thing that builds our dreams, yet slips away from us?

Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
There's no chance for us.
It's all decided for us.
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us.

Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?

Who dares to love forever
When love must die?

I refuse to play sandbox games like GTAV without cheats and trainers on though, makes the experience 100x more fun to see what stuff you can come up with to do and not to mention all the mods.

I hate that. Immortality has way more pros than cons, therefore it always bothers me when writers try to make it sound like it's a terrible fate. If you're immortal and have great powers to the point you can travel to different universes, then there is zero real downsides. Endless adventures awaits, and quite possibly a world where one's 2D waifu exists in 3D.

I'm pretty sure the "VAMPIRE" part is more important here

You first have to specify the form of your immortality, some are downright shit to have and others are great for long term happiness. The other factor and the most common is what happens when an immortal person, or even just someone with a vastly longer lifespan, has to deal with the constant and repeated loss of those they care about over their lifespan. It's very optimistic to assume that people won't become more jaded as time goes on and they become wary of starting new relationships only to watch those around them grow old and die. Yeah you can also assume that some immortals will handle it better than others, but if you know people who have lost loved ones, you might also have seen how just 1 lost parent can wreck a person, or maybe a spouse or lover.

The burden of Immortality isn't just going to go away if you bury yourself in traveling the world and watching movies.

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Only if you can turn your brain on/off at desire, the chances of getting mindbroken and becoming a piece of meat without conciousness that keeps regenerating are high in the long run.

Also being inmortal is just asking to become a guinea pig, guess who will save the world from hunger if you have high regeneration skills?

Fire Punch dealt with this the best. MC is burning for eternity and can only be freed by death. The world is a frozen wasteland full of cannibals and rapists so there's nothing worth looking forward to. At the end the MC even lives to see the heat death of the universe. Does that sound like a something you wanna experience?

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Human brains really aren't all that cool.

That part of it is only an issue if you are the only immortal left. If there are several other immortals among which you perhaps even have friends, then it's not really all that bad.

I've thought about cryostasis as well, but even if you get it right all it does is wake you up every time the universe resets itself. Or whenever a stray asteroid smacks into you.

It only works with braindead slaves, only true neets know immortality would be fucking amazing.
As long as youre not the only thing alive.

being a Vampire isn't all that bad, yes. You can be a loli forever, shapeshift and make more vampires to not be so alone.

But once you get into the higher tiers of immortality things quickly get less fun, until you reach the Hourai who are truly eternal. They can't die, they can't be chained down, they can't lose their minds. They simply are for all eternity. If you want to sit around and masturbate while waiting for something to happen after the heat death of the universe, be my guest

Because it's true

mostly just seeing all your pet goldfish die

>manage to get perfect waifu after 1000s of years
>tfw will outlive her

depends what kind of immortality you get, what if you get it without youth? do you want to be a shriveled old prune who can't do shit beyond want to die?

didn't he become a Buddha? He'll be alright

Seeing someone you care about die before you is a very painful experience. Now you get to experience that for eternity. Everyone you have, and will, care about will leave before you do, and you will experience that pain until you have grown numb.
Of course, an empty emotionless shell of a human being like OP could never understand.

it means getting done with your backlog

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Imagine posting on Yea Forums for eternity

immortality would only be good if:

1. you also have eternal youth (with average to attractive looks)
2. have regeneration
3. unlimited space for knowledge
4. no physical or mental defects
5. You're immune from insanity

so does that mean i turn into a loli or i just stay as i am if i get immortal
user, that's hell, not immortality

Yea Forums will probably die in a few years

also being able to just turn it off and die if you ever get tired of going on.

>13yrs and counting

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It's a bad thing if your waifu isn't also immortal.

At the latest after 300 you'll have lost any way to connect to contemporary culture.
Also try to remember how long the summer holidays from school seemed when you were 10.
Now weeks just flow by without happening and before you notice a season is already over

I thought in 2008.
Look how that turned out

>ITT people talk about shit they know nothing about
Have you met an immortal who hasn't killed himself by 100 years old?

I've seen jellyfish

have you?

Seeing people you care about die could be bad for you. But being bored? You could do something IRL a lot, take a pause for a long while and come back to it refreshed. It's all about the dopamine, and how you cheat it.
Just don't do cocaine.

I already am.

It also depends on the kind of immortality.
Can you literally not die until the big crunch or the heat death of the universe, and not even then? Do you just live forever, untainted by disease but killable? Are you invulnerable?

Do your kids also possess immortality if they're spawned from you?

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>Do your kids also possess immortality if they're spawned from you?
the answer to that is always no, they will have extremely long lifespans in the centuries or thousands, but unless you hook up with another immortal they will eventually die

I figured that if part of them is immortal, then a part of them simply won't die. Maybe the immortality won't be of the same quality, but a good chunk of them is still unkillable. I figure that would be misery for them at worst.

I always assumed it's just increased life span, how long they live is another thing.

I'm just saying that makes no sense if you can't die, or your cells can't die. Since your cells would be part of someone else, they would be partially unkillable and possibly walk around with a severely fucked up body supported only by the rest of their body.
Or maybe a good portion of their body is fucked up, rots away and is replaced by the immortal cells.

>Guys I don't think immortality is bad
So you would enjoy it if all your loved ones perished before you and you aged just the same?
>M-muh specific brand of immortality isn't bad

that would be a horrible fate

Is that so?

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I'm surprisingly okay with that. At some point there won't be any more newfags polluting the site.

Forgetting for a moment the scenario in (imagine it simply doesn't happen) and also the case of one exceptional person being immortal unlike what said:
Yes you will see many people die and it's painful but everyone experiences it anyway, just in a lesser proportion, and we get on with our lives. You can also get to know new people and have fun with them until they die.
You might get bored but you might not. You don't need to do all the time the same things, you can switch activities or create and discover new things. Just think about music. If you listen to the same song over and over again you get tired, but if you have a big collection and cycle through it you won't.

However there's another thing to take into account. Imagine you proceed that way. At first the relationships you form will seem very important but when many years have passed and you've seen many people come and go you start to form another time frame. Your life is immense compared to them, imagine trying to form a relationship with a mosquito. What amount of knowledge and interests can a mosquito get in one day? What interest do you have in creating a relationship with it if his life is minuscule to you?
The same happens with culture. Our culture, our country, our social norms is something we kind of always expect to be there. But you will see how your culture disappears with you alive. New generations come by, shifting the culture until it's unrecognizable. But you're still there, with your own particular culture which has absorbed what it experienced for hundreds of years, and you cannot get rid of that. You will have lost your home.
So, even if you're surrounded, even if you keep a normal life, you will be alone unless there are more immortal people.
But we are social animals, hyper social, and experiencing that high level of isolation causes enormous pain and you might become insane.
Basically you'd be an anomaly but your brain is still configured for a normal human.

>You could do something IRL a lot, take a pause for a long while and come back to it refreshed.

Damn, I kinda wish I was young again. Then I take a second to reminiscence about my youth and remember how fucking retarded I was.

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Dopamine receptors go back to normal even after drug addiction, but it can take a while. A few years in the case of drugs.
Don't know how old you are, though. From the games I'm best at, I sometimes dedicate a week or two to and then go on a pause for five months before playing again. Then it feels mostly normal until I'm burnt out on it again. All about management.

This, it's pure fleshbag cope

>At the latest after 300 you'll have lost any way to connect to contemporary culture.
only if you leave the culture for 300 years

you'll get used to the gradual changes as they occur in real time (though will probably have a "kids these days" attitude about it). Compare watching your sibling grow to meeting a cousin after not contacting them for 10 years. You probably won't see a change as much of the former until you find a pic of them 10 years ago but you'll see a great change in the latter.

Jinka still win at the end though

Even if you aren't convinced with hedonistic pursuits you literally have all the time in the world for large sweeping projects

be a Shepard to steer humanity to greatness, test out all political ideals to its complete conclusion (though probably take the ethnic ideals last since you can't revive all the dead races). Explore the galaxy to its fullest or create life itself and become a god.

sure it will have an end but then you can just switch to another grand long-term process

>you will never have immortal bros to chill with
This manga needed a gaiden about them dicking around in modern Japan.

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The thought of seeing the birth and death of the last human would be more than worth the suffering.

I can flip that on you.
>Guys I think immortality is bad
So there would be problems to live with your fellow immortals, i.e. your friends and family, while exploring the ever-expanding, ever-changing multiverses, experiencing new things whereever you go?
>M-muh specific brand of immortality is bad

>tfw Baccano has the best and only good version of immortality where you never have to really worry about being murdered or dying from sickness but you can die whenever you get tired of life

How come no other ficition has explored an existence like this? At least none that I know of.

Theoretically that would be good, however what is there to stop a human with no needs from being a lazy cunt shitposting with us forever?

None of those things have anything to do with immortality.
Being immortal doesn't mean you automatically becone king of the world, or that you have power to test out poltical ideals, or create life or explore the galaxy. You're not God, you're just a normal ass human that happens to be immortal, and the last thing you'd want is for everyone to know you're immortal. Widespread photography and identification really sucks in that regard. Anyway, the world doesnt become your virtual simcity sandbox just because you're immortal.

I don't understand people who want to be immortal. In the end, you end up in empty space and float into black hole where you spend rest of your eternity.

If any immortality, I'd take the instructions for the immortality drink from Baccano. That way I could work out before and retain that fitness. But first and foremost, I could make other immortal to spend time with or to have them eat me.

The one thing about immortality is that it would be really fucking lonelyl. If anything the best immortality is when you have the baccano case of immortality where you have others like you who are immortal as well.No man is an island. And what's the point of seeing it all when no one is there for you to tell the tale?

It seems odd that someone would obtain only and exclusively immortality without anything else to it. I'd say it's more likely that immortality comes with several other perks as well as possible drawbacks, instead of just randomly gaining infinite lifespan and perhaps being unkillable.

That only applies for the very specific case where you are the only immortal around and don't have friends, families, aquaintances and perhaps even enemies, who are also immortals, around you. If something happens once, then the likelyhood for it to happen again dramatically rises.

>be immortal
>still can't finish backlog
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

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>be immortal
>spend even more time shitposting on Yea Forums instead of continuing your backlog since you can just "do it tomorrow"

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I felt bad for the Yuki-Onna girl who loved Senya, even hundreds of years after his wife died she still has no chance.

Unless you are watching 1000 episode anime or half the fucking season I would imagine anime backlog wouldn't be a concern

I still get emotional at this page

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That and their reunion with the hybrid girl gets me everytime.

Mermaid Saga I guess
He can die by being beheaded any time, but he still searches for a way to lose his immortality because he desires to grow and live a natural life. He's been alive for about 500 years. There's also a kid thats been alive for 800 years, killing women in the process of trying to turn them immortal in order to have a mother.

In any case the method of immortality in it is a one in a million chance game of russian roulette where after you eat a mermaids flesh, you either die or turn immortal (or turn into a monster which has a much greater chance of happening than turning immortal, though most people still just simply die agonizingly from it). So naturally there aren't many immortals

Worth a read as a series where immortality is the focus.

To be fair Tsukiko was top tier and probably fucked like a tiger.

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>living = suffering
>immortality = hell
/thread

Very true.

>having to throw away your life and change identities every decade or so
>watching everything and everyone you love waste away
>unable to constantly socialize and make new friends/family
>watching times changing from afar, never completely adjusting
depends on sentimental you are, but if you have nothing to lose it'd rock

I want to punch Cthulhu, all the Great Old Ones and all the Outer Gods for fun!

Immortality would suck if you didn’t also have a regeneration factor.

>acquires eien shinken and transcends to a higher form of existence that exists outside of the flow of time
>become ageless, immune to bodily changes, normally does not need food and sleep, and is virtually unkillable under the right circumstances
>has the power to open gates to other dimensions/universes, traverse space, and various generic abilities to manipulate mana, which is life and the fabric of creation itself
>basically have all the time in the infinite multiverse to do whatever you want, explore different worlds, enjoy countless cultures, meet others like you, etc.
Way too many people think immortality sucks, but it doesn't have to. Picking the right immorality with the right combination of powers is key.

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I dont think anyone is saying immortality sucks when you're basically God.

Sometimes it sucks if you do have a regen factor.
That part in baccano LN when a guy drinks the immortality elixar frantically after getting stabbed with an icepick a dozen times all over his chest without knowing that it keeps you immortal but in the state that you were in when you drink it
That shit really haunted me for a while after I read it.

Well, I wouldn't call Eternals basically Gods, not with a capital G, anyways. They do have some downsides and also subject to the laws/rules of a given universe that they crossover to. Plus their powers are limited by the amount of mana that exists in the universe. Worlds where they can use all of their powers that feels near limitless in what they can do is exceedingly very rare.

It is. I don't want to fucking have to worry about accidentally getting launched out into space and suffocating in an endless void, having to witness every slow, unimaginably boring second waiting to spend eternity in the black of nonexistence countless undecillion years from now.

I think everybody would agree with that. However, most depictions of immortality present it as something that's awful, even if you're living freely on earth.

Then how else are you supposed to ascend to Godhood?

I'd imagine immortals would get used to seeing people they love die, but it would be the fact that they have roughly unlimited time that would drive them insane.

Nonexistence is salvation.

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Most people arent friendless NEETs, the most important things to them are their friends and family and having to lose all of that is awful to them. And if you make more it'll just happen all over again.
It'd be a very lonely life unless you want to hurt yourself all the time. Consider all the people that don't remarry after their spouse dies.

Living is losing. It'd only be painful in the beginning. Once you've seen your friends die thousands of times you're gonna stop giving a shit.

See, that's only a problem for the first couple billion years. When all life inevitably ends on the planet, you gotta be used to being lonely.

Sour grapes. Human life isnt enough to go through everything world has to offer and by the time you have done that there is at least 400+ years of advancement. World fluxuates a lot too, its not statistic like some grandstanding fucks make it out to be.

Its just sour grapes and basic human rationalization

Chink novels don’t. They make immortality a thing everyone strives for.

>Assuming only you can become immortal and no one else
Again, this argument only works for EXCLUSIVE IMMORTALITY. It's not representative of "the consequenes of becoming immortal" in general.

No shit I'm not talking about some stupid scenario that almost never shows up. In like 95% of stories where someone is immortal and unhappy, they're not immortal along with all of their friends. Stop bringing up some irrelevant scenario that almost never happens and no one is talking about, damn.

>humans are not meant to be immortal.
Humans were not meant to fly either but look us go, the writing is on the walls.
>We naturally seek an end and a conclusion and are minds cannot handle the infinite.
We naturally seek to extend our lifespan at any cost.
>Our consciousness would wear down over time and it’d difficult to keep our sanity. It wouldn’t be boring but it’d certainly leave you unsatisfied.
That isnt immortality, just alzheimers.
>We can only appreciate the happiness we find in our lives because it is so fleeting
Said no one ever, gratification doesnt come from the fact that its fleeting. More over, nobody dies or lives thinking like that. You can be happy and appreciate it without dying you nihilistic faggot, you dont even think about it for 99% of your life.
>I can’t say I’ve been immortal but when I’ve been freed of all obligations during different points in my life and had the time and energy to do anything I wanted, it just didn’t feel as entertaining since there was no need to moderate and structure
Immortality isnt being freed from obligations though, just because you live to 80 instead of 50 doesnt mean those extra years are magical. Even if humans are immortal their lives will still have structures to keep wheels turning and people comfortable.
> let you eat ice cream for breakfast every morning. You’d enjoy it at first, but as you got used to it, it would lose its value and just be breakfast.
A fucking food analogy, kill yourself
>Of course it’d still taste good but there’s no real novelty or wonder anymore.
There shouldnt be any novelty or wonder in your life at this moment. World itself has been solved and you have petabytes of knowledge in your fingertips. You dont have to worry about living to the next day either until some fatal accident happens

Have you noticed how time seems to go faster as you get older? It would be impossible for you to relate with other people since their lifes would seem so brief and eventually you'll rather avoid the pain.

That's a strawman though. You are no longer talking about direct consequences of immortality but rather about specific "unhappy immortals". When did that shit become the premise of this thread?

As someone who has had a disproportionate amount of close family members die for my age, it sucks but you kind of get jaded to it honestly. I'd take immortality in a heart beat. The thought of death sends me spiraling into a black pit in my mind that will literally ruin my mood for days at a time

Literally since the very beginning of the thread, try to keep up user
The only "direct" consequence of "immortality" is that you live long. Which is nothing worth talking about.
We're talking about why artists say it's bad, as per the OP, which are the consequences of living long.

He didn't though did he? I get that he wasn't the closest to Jinka and not-sister fox wife whos name I forget but he still had those two. Also didn't he stick around with his kids and grandkids for a long time?

See thats stupid. If you end up getting that far into the lifespan of the Universe where your planet dies or you are facing heat death, you throw yourself into a Star

>I get that he wasn't the closest to Jinka and not-sister fox wife whos name I forget but he still had those two
They aren't the ones he loved. They may be friends but it's not the people he shared the real bond with and who allowed him to grow.
>Also didn't he stick around with his kids and grandkids for a long time?
He was around until Tsukiko died, after that he fucked off and never returned, wandering around the land as a god.

Humans are already incapanle of reacting properly to the long term given or current lifespans. Things change because old people die more than people changing their minds. To live forever is to stall humanity at a singular point, and what humanity as a whole has accomplished is more important than any individual.

Keep on dying till we produce the AI that embodies and transcends us. Immortality is death.

If humans arent meant to be immortal and longlivety is hell then why are people desperately trying live longer?

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Arguing about if immortality is pointless unless you set clear parameters for how it works, or else everyone is just arguing about completely different situations

>throw yourself in space
user I know it's a discussion about immortality but some physics still apply

Fear of death is a very natural thing.

Because humans are stupid? There are people desperately trying to kill themselves as well. Just because people do it doesn't mean its good

Nigger you know what I meant. If you've lived for billions of years you get to the point where space travel is as common as road travel today and you should have enough money from interest rates to do anything you want

>fellow immortals
>implying anyone here would have a family
> implying anyone here has the creativity and mindset to make their long lives worth while
>implying anyone here has the ambition to love out their wants and bucket lists
You don't enjoy immortality without fixing the shit out of yourself first. And even then, constantly reinventing yourself just to be excited about life if gonna be a pain in the ass.

Im all for inmortality only if you have a healing hability with it.

Imagine suffering a injury or getting crippled and having to live forever like that.

I'd only want to become an immortal if I got to become a cute loli as well.

And you claim to know better than last 10 000 years of humanity just because japanese cartoons told you otherwise? Face it, immortality is something humanity has to crack if it ever wants to survive and spread beyond this mudball

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Well I know for a fact not being immortal has worked out well for humanity

We don't need immortality we need better propulsion systems. Immortality only becomes a boon after we have the proper tech to support spreading beyond the solar system.

Youre not getting out of solar system with propulsion alone.

Has it? Just imagine Europas glory if Adolf was still here

>immortal GröFaZ
Just kille me

But that isn't due to immortality but rather due to solitude. It's the same issue like how being a super genius is bad when there are no other super geniuses in the world you can call your equal and exchange ideas with. It's not a problem that stems from immortality specifically, but is instead a general "being the only one of your kind" issue.

Propulsion literally is the biggest problem of getting out of the solar system though. Proper space travel is about shortening the time it takes to travel not chucking a bunch of immortals into space and just dealing with the nearly 80,000 year trip to the nearest system.

Eventually, maybe. I think I can entertain myself for 700 measly years just fine though.

>Be immortal
>Smash brain to no longer have thought and heart to make body decompose
>No longer alive
Why doesn't an immortal person ever do this?

>be literally immortal
>planet dies
>youre left alone in space
>a l o n e
>suffocate for billions of years without actually dying
>finally the universe dies
>you're still alive though

flawless logic

Same reason as
>Church is bad guys
>Nobles is bad guys
>King is bad guys
>Demons is misunderstood
>Hero has darkness or evil-themed powers, but is good and kind and just better than characters with light-based or holy-based powers
>"Yuusha" is a total tool, but lone wolf hero who doesn't care about helping others is better at doing good
The desire to be avant-garde and be contrary to what used to be desired in the past. Not like 'immortality is a curse' hasn't actually been around for a long time, but it pretty much has the same origin.

Y'all niggas need Schopenhauer.

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Have you notice how stubborn most old people are and refuse to be open to new ideas? Imagine if they lived forever and in charge.

He was only protecting nature because it had something he didn't
He stops caring after become the ultimate lifeform

Imagine not living in a democracy.
>old people
Immortality implies eternal youth

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>damn kids and their fancy plastics, I tell you bronze will never go out of style

>Immortality implies eternal youth

Doesn't imply an eternal open or healthy mind.

>Doesn't imply an eternal open or healthy mind.
Neither does being young

>intergalactic space travel is inevitable
we're talking about immortality, not some bullshit ability to see the future like you're claiming to have. Now hold this bag of superbugs and designer engineered viruses and sit on this fusion bomb linked to some malevolent AI that is on a satelite in space. Tons of shit can still happen, and even if its a small chance there's still a chance. We don't even know al the hurdles we'd face yet with making space travel easy and affordable

>Europas glory
ah, another dumbass white kid who thinks Nazis did nothing wrong. Don't you have a podepie video to go salivate over like the droning idiot you are?

Wait there was another chapter? I just remember them managing to reset the universe or something, I don't really remember them falling into a blackhole

Imagine being immortal and also ugly, unintelligent, with zero social skills, and bad in small talk. No matter how much you try, no matter how immortal you are, a random guy with only 70 years to live would win against you. No matter how many times, you won’t be able to win a girl, no matter how many times you try, you will never be rich. And then you will only have a basement and video games. How longer do you plan going on? Thousand? Maybe two centuries? And after that you would say to yourself the world has changed as you did and you are fit now to be a better version of you. Then you are going to go out and realize you never changed, the same mistakes will be made and you are gong to get back again and again to your basement. Just, this time there is no Yea Forums or video games, and you know you don’t have the skill of knowledge to re-create them. So being immortal is as fun as how big is your ego. Then reality is going to crush you.

>its the user cant notice sarcasm and tells others they are underage

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But that's a manga about hanging out with your immortal friends. Even when the world sucks, life is pretty great when you and your friends are incapable of permanently dying.

looks like you cling to life a lot harder than most people here, user

That way we fon't feel bad about dying.

Bullshit. Time changes you. You won't give a shit about stuff like that after a few hundred years.

the world is big enough to explore for a thousand years, many people have enough fun just staying in the same city all their life and don't even see most of it. I worry more about some apocalypse happening and you having to suffer in some nuclear wasteland for eternity.
True immortality with an option to turn it off eventually is a sweet fucking deal though
.

>So you would enjoy it if all your loved ones perished before you and you aged just the same?
Yes, I barely give a fuck about people as is.

If you've convinced yourself you're not afraid of death, you're most likely delusional.

No seriously, I can't find those pages anywhere. Did Dynasty-scans not translate that chapter or did they miss some pages?

You have infinite time, you can claw your way to whatever the fuck you want because the only thing you're limited by is how much of a fuck you give about things now that literally everything is a hobby to you.

Will she ever find happiness?

dude if youre still an incel after 700 years, youre actually fucked lmao, take that black pill and shit it down the river bud, get some weights and be fuckin interesting and everyone has a chance with SOMEBODY. Only people who dont believe that are basement dwelling incels who dont know the world. You can get in shape, life isnt all necessarily about intelligence as long as youre are interesting although being immortal you can become fairly intelligent and you can learn social skills unless youre actually autistic

>If humans arent meant to be immortal
Then stop being human

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>Being alone in the cosmic macroverse, eternal in darkness is a good thing
You want me to blare that Linkin Park or do you want to do it yourself, lad?

Why the fuck should a football match last 90 minutes and not 2 minutes?

Fun fact you literally stop aging after 90 so by modifying the stopping aging genetics we can exist as hot 20 year olds forever.

To late for the majority on this site.

Immortality is bad because of think the abuse from it? Could you imagine if shitters such as Stalin, Mao, or Cuck Marx were still alive?

It's the human aspect.

Because authors hesitate to create stories with a "bad" message. If immortality, which is something that many people yearn for, is such a great thing, then isn't that very depressing since that's not something that we'll be able to achieve? There's also a need to "balance" characters. If one of your characters is an immortal vampire that's been having the time of their life for a 1000 years then there's little to relate to, is there? Notice how we also almost never have truly happy characters that don't have any downsides to balance that.

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On the other hand, you always have hope that a better tomorrow will come because it's pretty much bound to come eventually.

I'm 22 and already crave death.

>just be interesting
Riveting advice.

Immortality can be a lot of fun even if the vast majority of your life is still shit.

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no but you have time to do all that
even if you fail you'll have something to take your infinite time

it's about the journey to become god not the destination

fucking post-scarcity utopian future

even with unlimited time you still don't have enough

fuck what they say utopian immortality is the final form of human progress

Infinite life =/= infinite motivation.
It doesn't matter how many things you'd like to do, at some point you're gonna be burned out and tired.
Removing time limits is also further going to reduce your drive, why climb a mountain if you can do it in 20 years?
Before you know it, you're gonna be tired of life and end yourself (if you can), most likely without achieving very many of the things you wanted to.

>many of the things you wanted to
If you actually wanted to do those things you would.

Yeah that's the point, nobody actually wants to do enough things to make an immortal life fulfilling.

You seem pretty confident in knowing how many things every human wants to do. Where does that confidence come from.

I think you're projecting buddy

I think it really depends on the person. I, for one, would love true immortality (undying, incapable of being harmed be it physically or mentally, and whatnot). I can think of the possibilities. Though, I suppose you would have to move a lot if you don't want to call anyone's attention.

On the other hand, there are people who cannot see themselves disconnected from their peers, so the idea of never dying just seem unbearable to them. Then you also have those who already want to die, but just won't kill themselves for various reasons.

That being said, immortality in one way or another will definitely mean loneliness. So, unless you're fine with that, then I don't think you would like the idea of being immortal.

They're coping with their fragile mortality.

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For me, reincarnation would be the best option. It's the best of both worlds. Kind of like pic related but with your ego intact. Or something like SCP 963 scp-wiki.net/scp-963.

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Baccano has a pretty optimistic depiction of immortality. I cant think of any character that dislikes their immortality. Even people like Czeslaw who gets horribly tortured for probably decades really never once laments being immortal, and he especially doesn't wish to die.
Then again, it's really not the lonely kind of immorality anyway, and no one has been alive that long.

Yes, but Merc is in love with his own voice so he's got zero issues existing as a closed entity, and then there's his Marguerite stalking.

Sour grapes. They can't have it, so it must be bad.

Depends on what side of the fence you're standing on. When I was younger I thought immortality was a great thing to achieve, but as I've gotten older I'm not so sure anymore.

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I'm already getting bored of a normal human life. If i was immortal i would kill myself. I don't get why everyone pretends life is so entertaining and great, it's boring, difficult, and the older i get the more i despise other human beings as a whole.

I dunno man, it's on danbooru. That's where I read all my touhou doujins.

Franklin Richard literally survived the heat death of the universe and created a new one afterwards. Be like Franklin Richard

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Franklin Richards is an OP fuck. So, no, I cannot be like him.

>ions of years you get to the point where space travel is as common as road travel today
If this is true, why haven't we ever had aliens visit us or try to take over our world? I mean, in a couple million years they could perfect space travel, and there are many planets billions of years older than us that could potentially hold life so where are the fucking aliens dude?

> he's got zero issues
Schrieber is that you? Because I can't think of anyone else who can speedread that hard. He's absolutely miserable because of foreknowledge. There are only a few instances he can genuinely cherish outside of the events of Rea's route when shit hits the fan. And he doesn't really love his own voice. It's just his way of alleviating the tedium of talking to lower beings. Just a way to spice things up a little.

>eventually you stop giving a shit about literally everything and anything
>this is a good thing
what sort of retardation am i reading in this thread

Immortality with the option to successfully suicide at any time is probably really amazing.

Assuming monkey paw hijinks happen, I imagine after a few lifetimes and things just blend together into a mass of vague memories and you largely would cease to care about existence because so many days are like eachother. Living each day like it's the last has entirely different meanings between mortal and immortal people.