Unironically, is Aizen one of best villain in manga?

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Aizen is so dickshittingly overpowered that his shikai and reiroku alone can wreck the entire universe, if Kubo wasn't such a hack then there's absolutely no way to beat Aizen.

Ichigo would ass pull some stupid shit and beat Aizen because Kubo is a shit writer

Ukitake didnt. 2 vizards didnt. After the time skip some leutenant that didnt show bankai became captains
Shinji and Hisagi had their bankai revealed in novels

Yeah he was pretty good and should have won

Ah I haven't read the manga in a while, thanks for correcting me

Aizen's release has multiple weaknesses that were never explored. The major limiting factors as written are that his release A) must be seen directly B) at the moment it occurs. Any space, perception, or time distortion ability, or even just a blind swordsman, provide immunity to his hypnosis.

Yang was a better villain

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His bankai was Bleach

Though that only works if you know beforehand, ignoring that Aizen is also the strongest fighter even without tricks. On this manga people usually stand still waiting for their enemy to release their power so everyone would fall for Aizen's shikai.

Though with prep time and without Aizen being immortal, I think the old trio (Urahara, Yoruichi and Kurosaki) would have killed him considering they rekt his condom form.

>ignoring that Aizen is also the strongest fighter even without tricks
Yamamoto says hi

Could Aizen even defeat Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha?

No. Even without seeing where Aizen is, Madara could just nuke the whole place. And Aizen doesn't have any offensive abilities to break through Susanoo.

Which Aizen are we talking about?

For shits and giggles lets say completely unrestrained post time skip Aizen, which never existed in canon but just for theoreticals.

Final Fusion Aizen with full mastery of Hogyoku with Fragor but without Ultrafragor

Hmmm

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What do you think? Also the bleach anime ended 7 years ago.

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i'm a boomer who was reading the manga when the initial reveal dropped. to be honest he felt really weak as a villain to me, just had insurmountable power and no better plan than to get more power.

even back in the day when Aizen was fresh, i was never impressed with him.

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His plan wasn't to get more power, it was to usurp the position of god from the spirit king. He wanted to unseat the sitting authority of the world to judge it himself, as he felt god was lacking in his role and unfit to rule.

He was pure Ego with just a hint of "I'm doing this for your own good" which is why he never killed people who went against him, he just beat them down and left them alive.
Dude had some depth if you paid attention. He was just also a theatrical dick who thought himself better than everyone else. Mostly because he was.

>his goal wasn't to get more power, it was to become god

m8

He was a poor man's Freeza.

Frieza wasn't even the best villain in his own series.

becoming god is means to an end, that is removing the barrier between SS, living world, hueco mundo etc
SS is a racket, hollows live in constant war eating each other and humans have a short life fearing death the entire time

so was aizen in the right?

No, he was an asshole that stabbed best girl Momo

lol

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He was in the right for wanting to overthrow SS, which was run by literal gangsters and corrupt nobles, but he was also an egotistical asshole who wanted to put himself in charge of the universe and was willing to sacrifice untold numbers of innocent people to achieve his goal.

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He's definitely the best villain in shounen, at least.

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Please, Aizen is pure. He doesn't have time for that. Both of you, >>>>out.

bruh didn't bleach get cancelled 10 years ago

I wish he had gotten more speaking lines. He was always so eloquent.

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sorry user, but that spot is already taken by this old motherfucker

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Wrath was well-done and imposing as a villain, but he was ultimately only following Father's will. He wasn't a master-class troll or planner like Aizen.

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sure he wasn't, but he still was the more impressive character.
Wrath was crazy strong, but still on an in-universe realistic/beatable level, and the reason why he was that strong was explained and plausible.
Aizen was "lul overpowered hax" just...because.

Aizen relies primarily on deception, illusions, and mind games to trick the enemy into making mistakes. He always uses simple and clean sword cuts to incapacitate people, only putting in effort against stubborn opponents.

He's only overpowered in the sense that his goals, motives, and moves frustrates readers of a genre that tells them hardwork, guts and determination can overcome everything. Aizen is the definition of "Work Smarter, Not Harder"

Aizen from a writing perspective a really bad villain because people cared more about him being in the manga than anyone else, even the protagonists. I didn't give a fuck when Ichigo had his powers restored. I was hyped as fuck when Aizen reappeared.

Wrath was a great character, probably my favorite in FMA, but he didn’t feel as imposing as a villain because Father was always the big bad endgame boss, and it was was hard to see Bradley as the biggest threat. It was the more mundane aspects of him that made him good, like how he is almost civil with his usurpers and enemies and had a genuine relationship with his wife, because he didn’t look down on humans like the other homonculi did.

You like Aizen because he's mysterious in a good way. The reader knows less about him and where he fits in the grand scheme of things.

>Aizen is a bad villain because he is popular
???

He means that Aizen is bad as a villain because you don’t want to see him defeated and gone, you want to have him around forever as the protagonist while he insults and trolls people from that fucking chair.

Is Bleach even worth reading?

The beginning up until the end of Soul Society is.

Wrath had to fight ninety people and completely lack an immortality nerf to be beaten. Motherfucker was legitimate monster straight out of nightmares.

Faggot

>you don’t want to see him defeated and gone
But that makes him a good villain

No, it makes him a good shounen MC. Their role in the plot is to stay around forever and not be defeated in any meaningful way.

Aizen is what would happen if a shonen MC tried to rock the boat in Japanese Society.

Manga should've ended after Aizen got defeated

>up to end of tybw
ftfy

Yamamoto wasn't a war potential for a reason user

No, Madara is and always will be the most OP fucker in the Manga universe, he has an entire 1000, word copy pasta dedicated to him and is known for being a beast even in base form.

can someone refresh my mind on exactly what madara we are talking about

Base Madara was trash only somewhat stronger than Sauce pre-ninja god blessings.

Quincy arc Aizen is stronger than the Aizen that didnt want to fight Yamamoto head on

In Aizen's case, he was saving a manga where all those characters were already hopelessly bad at that point.

No, it isn't. Fucking Ichigo didn't show his final bankai.

Yes, most handsome as well. Sympathetic too, even Ichigo couldn't help but see a little of himself in Aizen.

>Fucking Ichigo didn't show his final bankai.
Yes he did

Don't be a fucking retard, you know what I mean.

>Don't be a fucking retard
Take your own advice.

>I planned everything ever
>I'm so strong and smart that for most people it's incomprehensible
>Look at all of this meaningless fodder I've gathered and now watch me kill them
>My motives hinge on the post series books because Kubo can't be bothered with in the moment world building
Hard pass

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Absolutely fucking not.

He was definitely one of the villains with the best voice that's for sure.

>"Since when were you under the impression that I wasn't Aizen better yet, since when were you under the impression that I had hair?"
>*cometh the hour starts playing*

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>186019356
Lowest-effort bait imaginable.

Nope, he was one dimensional as fuck. He was entertaining, don't get me wrong. Way better than Yhwach at least.

When it comes to shonen, I'm tore between Younger Toguro and Zeon being the best shonen villain.

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Yhwach and Ichigo are stronger than Aizen.

no

Ichigo was stronger due to hacks which were partly created by Aizen anyway. Yhwach was but it was stupid since from a plot perspective, Kubo literally laid down the plot thread to have Aizen fuck over Yhwach at the very start of the series. Aizen should have been the one to 1v1 Yhwach and win through a brilliant keikaku and then the final battle be Ichigo fight Aizen again.We all know Aizen should have been the real protagonist anyway.

I remember when Aizen returned. The thread hype exploded. Even though he ended up doing almost nothing of real meaning until the end, the mere possibility of Aizen doing anything was enough to the drive the manga forward at Kubo's snail pace for weeks.

If Aizen trained like Saitama, would he be the strongest entity in fiction?

Aizen's sole gimmick is no-selling everything the good guys throw at him and gloating that he saw it all coming. Yhwach does the same, except he isn't an ikemen like him.
Byakuya was the only good villain Kubo wrote, and maybe Grand Fisher too.

>aizen was chaotic good all along

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2 deep 4 u

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No, he was a pretty bad villain. He planned everything that ever happened, including the birth of the protagonist, but we are never told why he did that. The fact he's insanely powerful and smart and has had centuries to prepare makes his defeat seem arbitrary. And he doesn't have much personality or backstory and his goals and motivations are never explored. He's just a insanely powerful dude who wants to destroy God and become God himself. There are a million villains with that motivation and plenty of them are better written.

Didn't watch Bleach. What the fuck did this guy even do? Try and take down Soul Society?

>or even just a blind swordsman
Kyoukai Suigetsu affects all the senses, not just sight. In fact, that even opens up more possibilities, because if his shikai alone can supposedly alter all five senses, then really we've only ever seen him mess around with other people's sight and sound. If Kyoukai Suigetsu truly could alter all five senses of a person, then theoretically Aizen could make anyone under his hypnosis experience unbearable pain and cop a win out in that style. If he can change how someone perceives smell then he could just make someone smell something so repugnant their brain can't endure it, his power hypothetically fucks with someone's brain chemistry, Kubo straight up undersold what Aizen's shikai can do while Aizen still dicks on most everyone in the Bleach universe.

>I planned everything ever
Retard

Not him but that's how it felt to me as well and a lot of the stuff he did never felt justified based on his vague plan. Things like Aizen being responsible for Ichigo's birth and growth felt like they were added as cheap reveals with no real reason or payoff.

He didn't plan everything, he just took credit of the happy accident that happened

What happy accident? Ichigo's powerup bit him in the ass. Also nobody ever disproved his claims, so why do you say that he lied and took credit when he explains how he ensured that Ichigo would develop the way he did?

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Aizen didn't plan Ichigo's birth. He wasn't even aware of Masaki's existence

But he was responsible for Ichigo's growth even though that wasn't necessary for his plans and instead ended up biting him in the ass.

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reading certainly, watching only if you have the time and skip filler arcs

>up to the end of Burn the Witch
Also related youtube.com/watch?v=yoCDlOLN9Y8.

But that was the plan
Aizen had to becomr the big bad for SS and have an outsider save SS so that he can bring change, something he couldnt do from the inside
The weakened and corrupt SS would have fallen to the quincies, Yamamoto was the personification of that.

If that was Aizen's plan, then they never bothered to explain it in the manga. Which is a pretty big flaw in the story.

Read the thread you chode. Anons have literally written down his endgame.

nah

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>he planned this thing
That's beside the point. The original argument was that Aizen planned everything, which I've already disproven.
Ignore this fag he is talking out of his ass

Do you honestly think those panels prove that Aizen predicted the rise of Yhwach and planned everything around that?

>Kyoukai Suigetsu affects all the senses
For that to work you first have to see Aizen perform the ritual of releasing SK

>Just as planned lmao

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Maybe if this is your first manga.

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>only somewhat stronger than pre Hogoromo infusion sauce
Are you being facetious on purpose? Madara literally btfo of Sauce and Naruto while his eyes were missing from his skull.

Thats not what either of us said. He planned to change SS because its both weak and corrupt, the quincies would have won if Ichigo wasnt there.

You dont need to see an incoming imminent attack to strengthen your defense or fight for justice.

Are you implying that Aizen was fighting for justice? When he turned himself into a hidden dictator, committed horrible experiments, tried to execute innocents and threatened to destroy entire cities in order to get his opponents to act?

I told you to ignore that fag. Aizen is evil

SS was built on the back of Yamamoto genociding everyone who didnt play by his rules. The rukongai, where the majority live, is no garten eden even though it could be. Shinigamis and humans die fighting hollows everyday even though they wouldnt have to.

Jut the fact that humans live to 120 years at most while they could live pretty much infinitely means whoever is keeping up the order causes all the grief human deaths bring with them.

If you had to kill 100 people once to stop a thousand dying every day, wouldnt you?

t. shilligami

Yes and no at the same time.

Aizen was badly written nonsensical melodrama but god he was entertaining.

Aizen is unironically the worst villain in all of fiction.

"Hurr durr everything was just a super hypnosis all along" is one of the dumbest plot twists of all time. Nothing he did ever made any sense.

user I'm sorry but you might you a brainlet

To be fair, you need a high IQ to understand Aizen motivations

t. Zommari

>they all fought you when your powers were nearly equal to their own
Aizen is aware of MC's shounen power level progression

Sasuga Aizen-sama!

Are you pretending or are you really this retarded?

>His bankai was Kubo
ftfy

ultra based

What happened to his plan of conquering hell?