How did they achieve such an unprecedented amount of independence...

More like how it managed to fuel such level of asslickery with subpar shit like that, coupled with pretentious attitude of source raping and design cloning.

Lucky Star
K-On
Hyouka

Yeah their shows are so uninteresting now.

Hyouka is Gary Stu high school shit for 14 year old girls.

Go ahead and tell me what haruhi does so well. Is it the chemistry between the most generic cast of archetypical characters? The facile implied romance between generic tsundere and talking head bland MC? The completely irrelevant "main girl is a god" plot the purpose of which is nothing but a lame fourth wall break to justify the cast being shit? I'm genuinely interested in what you think makes this schlock a masterpiece.

Hyouka was their best current era show, while Hibike and Maid Dragon are their recent standout shows. Most of their recent stuff has sadly been mediocre at best.

I started watching anime 3 months ago: the post

Haruhi fags are delusional. The show is awful for the reasons you just stated. Not to mention the lame fanservice and cliche humor.
>Hibike and Maid Dragon are their recent standout shows
Embarrassing.

>desperation due to lack of any arguments: the post

How come it seems that a lot of people (many, but no means all or even most) that praise VEG appear to be normalfags? I don't know how or why, but I have the impression that much of the people who liked VEG (again not all, but perhaps a vocal part of them) gave the impression that either they were new to anime, or hadn't seen a lot of series.

Not going to bother replying seriously to a samefagging newfag retard

I agree, it came just at the right time and was just good enough. It is still good, though.

Its too bad majority of the anime is just advertisements for LNs. They were best when adapting Key shit.

Stay angry. You are too stupid to hold an actual argument.

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this is what a fragile masculinity sounds like

Fragile masculinity would be anyone who needs to read high school self-insert shit like Hyouka or Haruhi to get fulfillment in their pathetic life.

>tfw KyoAni's last good show is Amagi
;(

Well fine.
>Is it the chemistry between the most generic cast of archetypical characters?
Ever taken into account haruhi aired more than 10 years ago?
>The facile implied romance between generic tsundere and talking head bland MC?
Show me a tsundere as good as Haruhi.
Again, there are a hundred of Kyon in today's series and LNs, but take into account that this was written/aired more than 10 years ago.
>The completely irrelevant "main girl is a god" plot the purpose of which is nothing but a lame fourth wall break to justify the cast being shit?
Did you even watch it? How is Haruhi being a god irrelevant to the plot when it's the main point from which everything develops.
>I'm genuinely interested in what you think makes this schlock a masterpiece.
Maybe you should try actually watching anime and having fun once in a while. I don't get how anyone gets his fill by being a contrarian in an anonymous imageboard.

Seething Haruhifag, screeches and fills another diaper full of shit
Color me surprised
inb4 samefag, try again sweetie

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Any character in Nichijou > all the characters in Hyouka.
Hyouka is a pretty anime. That's all. The story and characters are shit tier.

You don't like it and/or the people who like it and poisoning the well is more convenient than constructing arguments.

Your entire rebuttal is "b-but this show was made 10 years ago!", as if that somehow justifies the characters being one dimensional and shit. You're also ignoring that these archetypes have been around long before Haruhi. Fuck even eva did the tsundere girl and at least she had some character depth to her.
>Did you even watch it? How is Haruhi being a god irrelevant to the plot when it's the main point from which everything develops.
It's hardly relevant in any way whatsoever outside endless eight and the movie, most of the series is just vapid episodic SoL antics.

Hibike is in my Top 3 this decade desu. I honestly love it.

The studio was created by a rich person to make his waifu happy. So he paid for its establishment, and starting it from ground up in a region entirely not suitable for it (as anime industry was whole concentrated in Tokyo.)

The same guy also helped establish Production IG and owns big part of its shares, since was asked to by a friend in that company.

So the miracle is not how KyoAni became so independent, but how they established such high quality of production and direction.

As for why they went "independent", it was entirely practically reasons since they essentially were cucked by Kadokawa, which they realized after success of few of their shows and entirely felt robbed by after Nichijou. So they decided to make own titles, to to not pay others. They also established own merchandize departent early (which in turn lead to other major companies pretty much boycotting them) - not because it was something special, but because they could: in fact, they were copying Gainax (which was the first anime company to make own merch, video games etc. but got ruined by shit mismanagement of its leads).

Success of Chu2 proven to them the validity of strategy they choosen, and since then they work entirely independent - as it brings them way more money, then contract work does to any other studio. Nowadays, they also shifted their money revenue sources very heavily from Bd sales, to focus on merchandize/events (to sell merchandize) and last two years focus on cinema movies/ticket sales for cinema shows of their tv shows (veg and prescreening of others later).

Still, a good thing about them they are not "corporation" - theres no "management" to dictate them what to do. they can decide own projects freely and not always looking on profits - as the owner of studio just wants to have his waifu animator stay happy

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They made Maid Dragon for sole reason Takemoto wanted to. It also woudnt be a financial success if not for China

>It's hardly relevant in any way whatsoever outside endless eight and the movie, most of the series is just vapid episodic SoL antics.
You are braindead retarded

>there are a hundred of Kyon in today's series and LNs
And there already were when Haruhi aired.

...

Not an argument.

Haruhi is the only one I liked from there. Though bi haven't watched hyouka yet

I could start picking what you said apart but it's pretty obvious that you didn't get invested in the show and thus read it very differently from what people who "get it" did (without any arrogance) which is why there's really no point in trying to explain stuff that you didn't see because you weren't "there" to see them

To make it short, Haruhi handled its themes and development really well, in an appropriate and subtle (sometimes too subtle) way.

Also Haruhi isn't a tsundere you fucking retards

honestly, you are as much of a retard for arguing with autist

>my points are so obvious that I can't even be bothered constructing such an apparently simple argument. Instead I'm going to keep shitposting like a petulant child with nothing else but insults, hoping that doing so will convey more than just the fact that I am hopelessly inarticulate
How could I have been so wrong all this time. At last I truly see.

What other answer would you expect? Why would I bother arguing with someone who apparently missed how every Haruhi arc is caused by her God-like power modifying the world around her?
What's ironic is that you bring up the Movie as one of the only places where her god powers are relevant, which is the only Haruhi story where she doesn't do shit. It was Nagato that caused the time-line change.
Now either:
You didn't watch any of it and you're here only to argue, in which cause I pity you
You watched it but you're too retarded to get it, in which case I also pity your pathetic existence.

Wholesome.

is there any way to distinguish kyoani shills and kyoani false flags

I think we're going to have to wait a bit longer if we want decent KyoAni threads again, all the VEG shilling really ruined it.
I mean, if you ignore the obviously inflammatory posts, the retards (and that includes me) that get baited by it and reply, there's like 1 good post in the whole thread.

>why would you expect me to expend as much effort to back up my hubris as I do being and insolent little faggot
Beats be, your faggotry is beying human comprehension
>every Haruhi arc is caused by her God-like power modifying the world around her?
Name some examples besides the sealed reality episode and the expositional segments where her godhood is used as justification as to why the cast of stale archetypes ended up being involved with haruhi.
>What's ironic is that you bring up the Movie as one of the only places where her god powers are relevant, which is the only Haruhi story where she doesn't do shit. It was Nagato that caused the time-line change.
And what caused Nagato to change the timeline?

>Name some examples besides the sealed reality episode and the expositional segments where her godhood is used as justification as to why the cast of stale archetypes ended up being involved with haruhi.
It's every single arc, you stupid retard. It's either Haruhi changing something about reality which has to be fixed, or the other characters having to act in a way that doesn't make Haruhi change the world. If you want an example, maybe the very first arc where Haruhi decides to destroy the whole world except for Kyon because she was bored?
>And what caused Nagato to change the timeline?
My little shitposter can't be this dumb.
She was in love with Kyon, mouthbreather.

While the characters of Haruhi are archetypical , they are not generic. That is the point, you are only really excused on feeling like this about Mikuru since her development comes later in the LN.
Haruhi isn't a generic tsundere, she is mostly the genki type, get your archetype right at least. Neither is Kyon simply a talking head, he is the actual tsundere.
Haruhi being a god is never not relevant since the entire series, its story, and characters all revolve around it. It is the one thing that drives both the story and the characters development.

Please don't feed him any more, it's obvious he's either mentally challanged or doesn't know what he's talking aobut, possibly both.

Everyone who does not like KyoAni is a discord tranny from Yea Forums

That moeshit factory is cancer of anime industry, why does everybody like it so much?

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It has a solid scifi plot mixed with mystery and slice of life elements. The anime was produced by Kyoani at its prime. If you take the broadcast order meme seriously and never process the events of the series chronologically (not to mention reading LNs to know what happens after Disappearance), it can be much harder to realize how much character development the story has, Haruhi herself being the best example.

Haruhi is nothing like the average LNs and their adaptations where the characters are really generic or at least one dimensional and the story quickly devolves into pure haremshit once the initial gimmick to pull in readers gets old, eventually ending with a trainwreck that leaves nobody satisfied.
Tanigawa actually stopped writing once he couldn't come up with more ideas for Haruhi; first a four year break before the latest two-parter in 2011, and then only few short stories after it. He could have kept going if he turned it into a shitty romance, but he didn't.

>eventually ending with a trainwreck that leaves nobody satisfied
Sure, because it's unfinished. What a hack.

>name something besides the sealed reality arc
>how about the sealed reality arc

>She was in love with Kyon, mouthbreather.
so what you're saying here is that endless eight was completely pointless and served no purpose whatsoever? Doesn't sound fitting of a magnum opus.

I've felt 10 years younger and have been having a ball.

>Haruhi being a god is never not relevant since the entire series, its story, and characters all revolve around it.
In the most superficial way possible. The characters being generic archetypes are explained by Hatuhi being a bored god, but that's as far as it goes. It's essentially the author breaking down the fourth wall to say "I am making a dumb SoL with dumb archetypical characyers purely for the fun of it". The characters go along with Haruhi's whims because she's a god and that's the entire extent of it. Haruhi will wipe out the world if they don't have a baseball episode and that surmounts to nothing more but an excuse yo have a dumb SoL baseball episode. It's all really superficial and doesn't play any strong narrative role outside disappearance and the loop that led to it. Her being a god is brought up a lot as a- important point but at the same time you could take out the fact and wouldn't lose much because most of the show is just them hanging out and doing school shit.

Reminder that Madoka > everything in this pic.

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It seems you are mostly mad at Haruhi being a SoL show. Which is fine not to like, but it isn't a flaw in the show for being of a certain genre.
There is a baseball episode because they are fun. The thing about Haruhi ending the world if they lose is just to make the situation more fun in its absurdity.

Not shitposting or arguing. Just explaining my position without getting too much into specifics since those specifics will differ too much between us.

Just pretend it ended at Surprise!

>He could have kept going if he turned it into a shitty romance
It was a romance starting from Intrigues. A great one

Some of my favourite shows are SoL. I don't even think haruhi is among the worst in the genre. What I'm saying is that the characters have no natural chemistry and fans are easily fooled by the supernatural aspect of it when it's nothing more than a plot device to justify boring archetypes being together when they have no reason to due to having no real personality or agency. It's an average SoL with with a scifi feel, nowhere near kyoani's best.

We wanted it to be a romance from the very start you fucking toad. Since day one that’s all we’ve watnted is for them to end up together.

In Japan romance = bad/weakness

and yet many of their shows are terrible flops regardless.

This is why Disney will always be more successful unfortunately. They have romance in just about everything and fun fact: IT NEVER GETS OLD. Any writers in here? I’m going to give you an amazing life lesson so listen up. Romance.. never.. gets.. old.. don’t try and reinvent the fucking wheel. Don’t restrict yourself from writing romance because you think it’s overused. It’s one of the most basic things about being human.

The supernatural is all there to drive Haruhi and Kyon's development. Sometimes Yuki's too. It's pretty obvious. Even the baseball episode is there to showcase that despite Haruhi being unstable she starts growing, being able to quit, value more the social interaction and Kyon's opinion than whatever she's hellbent on. Applies for about any episode, really, except maybe the cricket one but then this one got a good development scene added in the BD.
It might sound pretentious but while you didn't notice or care about those developments, they're here, and the best examples are the episodes of the concert and the one where Kyon gets a heater

If the Haruhi the anime ended with Kyone and Haruhi kissing and ending up together it would no doubt be considered one of if not the greatest romance anime films of all time yet it gets blown the FUCK out by Your Name because unlike the guy who did Haruhi the person who did Your Name had balls. The story is filled to the brim with plot holes but it destoryed Haruhi. Absolutely demolished it.

The romance that happen between them is a lot more meaningful and organic than the generic end kiss. But it happens more in the later LNs.

Doesn’t matter because it will never be seen as anything more than a children’s series to pass the time because they didn’t go for it on the romance. Forever to be trapped in the same category as lucky star.

Means nothing until it’s animated.

They are the best studio that makes anime I don't care about

When we look at top tens of Kyo shows what always comes up? Clannad? I wonder why? It’s a real mystery.

This, desu.

Are you falseflagging to make it appear like Haruhi fans are braindead self-inserting fags or what? I don't get it.

I’m just tired of this studio after the fucked me over for the last time with Evergarden. I’ve been calling myself a SHAFT fanboy these days because when I actually think about it all my favorite anime and shows I care about are made by them.

madotard trying to pretend his anime is relevant again
move on

Madoka is getting an anime for the mobile game though. Did you know the mobile game brought in more money than Evergarden did in BD sales? I think it’s relevant.

blessed be KyoAni. Season without KyoAni show is a dead season without soul.

Amen, kyoaniki.

have to cope with current season by rewatching Li

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I hated Hibike and didn't finish more than two episodes, but this film looks beautiful. Can I watch it with no context for the franchise?

Those source materials are practically unknown anyway, they take risks all the time.

>Can I watch it with no context for the franchise?
Yes
>I hated Hibike
Then there is no point. The movie is exttreme artsy masterpiece to watch if you either love Hibike or are a proffessional critic looking for media worthy of awards.

>are a professional critic looking for media worthy of awards
That basically describes me. I'll check it out.

There is not a single good anime in that pic. Kyoanus fags are pretentious hipsters that unironically think liking shows for little girls makes you a patrician.

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What is this chart with manga supposed to say about anime, idiot?

Because they're located in Kyoto, and not that Tokyo hellhole.

It’s shit. It’s not a good movie at all. It’s focused too much on the art to the point where the story is like cat in the hat without the rhymes.

t. used to think like that as well until i actually succumbed out of boredom and watched K-On and realized its essentially best anime ever made

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Sure... I couldn't get past the third episode I was so bored out of my mind.

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This post is a lie and everyone knows it.

Any time I see one of these lists, I immediately look for Dragon Ball. If it's not on the list, then I know it's faux-pretentious bullshit.
Your list is faux-pretentious bullshit.

Try actually reading the top of the image, moron.

Read the beginning you fucking dumbass. Animefags really don't know how to read.

Fun fact: if it’s not an anime original it’s shit

>two best anime this season are manga adaptations
Really makes me think.

They’re not very good.

Incorrect.

All the best anime films and series have been anime original throughout history.

Autist kun, this means literally nothing.

>Ashita no Joe
>Akira
>GitS
>K-on!
>Space Battleship Yamato
>Akage no Anne
>Tatami Galaxy
>Ping Pong
>Omoide Poroporo
>Doraemon
All adaptations.

Those all suck though.

Epic!

Spectrum kid, it means nothing. absolutely nothing. Every original could be written as a novel prior. I shouldn't need to tell a 7 year old this, let alone you.

Eva
Madoka
Bebop
Champloo
Geass
Gurren Laggen
FLCL
Phycho Pass
Durarara
Eurueka seven
Space Dandy
Anohana
Etc

All anime original.

I like it for the development of Kyon and the payoff we get for it in the movie. There's a scene where he argues with himself that is probably the most relatable to me in anything I'm watched. It's a great story of someone discovering themselves and learning to be honest despite the walls they're tempted to put up.

Nope. Too much restriction from copying and pasting from a LN or manga into an anime. A good anime oringal will always be better than an adaptation.

may they have another amazing year

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>madoka
>champloo
>geass
>grinning legging
>psycho pass
>durarara
>eureka seven
>space dandy
>anodrama
>good
that's gonna be a no from me dawg

Really, where does incompetence like yours come from? You haven't understood what i said, read my post again.

>A good anime oringal will always be better than an adaptation.
>Every original could be written as a novel prior

Nobody thinks you’re cool because you hate some of the all time best anime series in the world.

>Champloo
>Geass
>Phycho Pass
>Durarara
>Eurueka seven
>Anohana
Yeah, those aren't even close to being as good as the stuff on that other guy's list. Half of them aren't even good.

FLCLturd seeIt means nothing. They have an equal amount of potential.

>every original could be written as a novel prior

There’s a lot more that goes into marking an anime original that just writing a story. There’s a lot more care and risk that goes into it.

>some of the all time best anime series in the world
That's hilarious. By what metric? Being juvenile and shit?

The guy put Space Battleship Yamato. His list is ass

And did it help to have that independence? last year was the worst for Kyoani in sales and in general in the content of their shows, let's see how they do with their new anime although I think it is already a lost cause.

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Space Battleship Yamato is leagues better than Code Geass you child.

By the metric on being watchable to this day without needing thick ass nostalgia goggles to keep people interested. Those series never get old.

>care
No. And again the exact same show could be made as an original or an adaptation. It could require even more care as an adaptation.

People watch capeshit on a constant basis. Popularity is nowhere near being a half-decent metric of quality.

You're arguing with someone who thinks that Code Geass and Anohana are among the top 10 best anime ever made.

How about no? I know that you might like it best but there’s some people who consider Geass the greatest anime in the world. It has a massive following and reaches a much wider audience and tells a higher quality story not to mention it has one of the most iconic anime intro’s in the industry. Galactic dad battle ship star trek (the anime) can’t compete.

You know I never really liked the type of projects KyoAni animates as they are too sappy and SoL-ly for me, but I always regarded them as the Pixar of Japan.

core geass more like code gayass get it because it's shit gay and stupid

You know, when you're this new and ignorant about their yearly sales you should think twice before posting.
Just saying.

Anime originals are a much bigger risk and thus require a lot more care and heart to go into them to make them work. The person working on them usually goes all in and risks their reputation.

>Yeah, those aren't even close to being as good as the stuff on that other guy's list
much of the stuff listed is not even good source manga

K-On manga was shit.
Gits anime has litterally nothing to do with Gits manga style and story wise
Tatami Galaxy/Ping Pong anime only stand out through unrelated to source directional and visual quirks of adaptations
Others are not even worth commenting.

Akira is the only exception, since Akira manga is BETTER than Akira anime - its just that good art and stotry wise, that even stellar movie does not live up to it (everyone should have a full A4 format Akira manga at his home library).

That aside, adaptations, especially manga adaptations are not a great things - for most part its just advertisements, though many titles are indeed great. But the issue is manga format itself is limiting to the creativity and content, because of how its published and editors and demands of magazines.

I.e. any serealized weekly manga, no exception, is shit because it cant be not shit because it has to hard fit into that format and run for years making weekly dozes of stretched out content. Monthly manga is better, but still limited by format.

In fact, best thing that happened to anime in recent years is that they started adapting Light Novels (and worse thing that they tried to start adapting visual novels). While most LNs are as trash as most manga if not worse - their format is much much better suited for anime medium, because they are not restricted by manga publishing limitations and can produce more coherent and complete stories.

Manga kind of outdated format for anime nowadays - novels (real or light) are better fit, and making original scripts is even better. The only good manga adaptations, are the ones that improve on it or reimagine completely transforming into different medium from scrap.

Also, just for sake of popularity/discussion - original shows, regardless of quality are unrivaled.

I reckon they'll be fine.

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imagine being this retarded
*stretches her cute mind in an attempt to imagine it (｡>﹏﹏

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If that's the case then they probably shouldn't be made at all. Anime studios should aim to produce good anime as effectively as possible. An endeavour with higher risk is both stupid and unnecessary when the exact same results can be achieved through adaptations. Just publish your story first. In most cases initial anime originals are pointless.

Have you actually not seen Madoka? It’s possibly the greatest anime series in existence. I know it’s easy to write it off because of how it looks but it’s legitimately a good show. I’d give it a chance.

The movie looks really cool, can I watch that separately? I'm impatient to start it.

Actually you are the manchildren forcing your cookie-cutter idea romance instead here, Haruhi isn't even advertirsed as a romance show yet it has a better romance than most romance shows out there.

Adaptations are an easier bet because if the LN or manga is popular there will be guaranteed sales and fans. They almost never translate well and it’s almost never a complete package as a story. It will leave the audience dry or force itself to end in an abrupt way. Anime originals will always be MUCH better but more risky to make.

I watched it. The plot is retarded and the characters are shit. Funn you say it's easy to write it off because of how it looks when the visuals are the only thing it has going for it.

>Ping Pong anime only stand out through unrelated to source directional and visual quirks of adaptations
Fuck you, Taiyo Matsumoto is brilliant.

Watch the anime first.

>They almost never translate well and it’s almost never a complete package as a story.
This is bullshit.

>Anime originals will always be
Fucking garbage.

>some people who consider Geass the greatest anime in the world
Some people consider Toradora and GochiUsa the greatest anime in the world. Your arguments are facile and ignorant.

His writing is pointless stream of concious. Extremely overrated.

日日日 easily btfos him as irrelevant hack he is with Kyourakan Kazoku Niki or Sasasmi@Ganbarana

Whatever dude, you have a horrible opinion of what makes an anime or magna good, and bad taste in general.

Somehow I highly doubt it. I don’t think there’s ever legitimately been a person who has watched a show like that and not come out the other side without being blown away. There’s two kinds of people. There’s people who have watched Madoka and are fans and those who haven’t and judge it based on looks.

>Toradora
Implying it isnt. Its both case of uniquie superb writer that is pretty much the only one who can write that stuff, and good anima adaptation by Nagai+Okada pair.

Golden Time is just as good, but got worse adaptation.

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Except neither of what was discussed is manga and i doubt you even do read it, while i have just over thousand ongoing titles i follow atm.

Manga, as great a platform for artists it is - is a bad medium for storytelling.

Are we really having this argument? I thought it was common knowledge on Yea Forums that anime originals were usually better?

Shaft did all six with one series.

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I'm not even trying to start studio shitposting but just compare the garbage original that is Franxx to the brilliant LN adaptation Violet Evergarden. There's an example from recent memory.

The reason you’re replying with an image is because you know I’m right. It’s never fun to watch an adaptation and get cut short with a “ohhh I guess you’ll have to buy out LN or managa to see what happens next” guy. Anime originals that turn out well always will have the upper hand by a long shot.

If I were to judge madoka based on looks I'd love it. Sadly watchhing anime involves sitting though whatever retarded plot it throws at you as opposed to just jerking off to stills of the characters like you deluded /u/ tards are used to doing. There is nothing smart about a story involving magic space cats harvesting the power of teen girl PSMing to reverse the process of entropy, not anything interesting braindead moeblobs running around screeching and crying over how fucking stupid they are for four hours.

You're the only faggot that thinks this. It literally doesn't mean anything since you can make the same exact fucking thing as an adaptation. Better wright an LN first to iron out poor writing choices or you'll end up with something like franxx.

First of all I’m not arguing all anime originals are good. You couldn’t possibly be that dumb to think that’s what I was saying. I’m saying a good anime original will always demolish a good adaptation. Also Evergarden is known even within its own threads to be a boring letdown. While airing half the comments in the threads was discussion about how it didn’t live up to the previews. Clannad is a better series to be honest and should probably have been your go to as an example.*

>It’s never fun to watch an adaptation and get cut short with a “ohhh I guess you’ll have to buy out LN or managa to see what happens next” guy.
That's why we need more studios like Kyoani who self publish. Problem solved.

originals are not "better". In fact, in most cases they are complete shit because made by people with no talent for writing/directing, amateurs.

its just that good originals, can be much more impactful than adaptations if successful. Another benefit of originals, is that usually their creation includes creativity of whole group of people working on them instead of just author and can implement all the ideas, stories and visuals people who make anime envision when making it.

the "original" show this season is Egao no Daika - a good concept ruined by inability to write good script. Meanwhile, KyoAni does not do "originals" practically, but every their "adaptation" is pretty much original standalone work in a way they are made.

TV series have advantage, that writing for their episodes is approached proffessionally - whole team of writers brainstorming and conceptualizing episodes and scenes, different writers pitching concepts for episodes etc. Anime is sadly not that far, and mostly "originals" are just based on some loose idea director had and script written by one hired writer like Hanada, Yoshida or Okada.

But originals have advantage of viewers not actually knowing what happens next when they air - which is huge.

>evergarden hater
opinion discarded

>I’m saying a good anime original will always demolished a good adaptation.
This is a garbage statement with no basis in reality. An adaptation and an original have the potential to be equally good.

Madoka has a 10/10 story and possibly one of if not the greatest episode of anime ever in episode ten. It’s got tones of lore and foreshadowing, amazing music. It’s like the perfect anime bundled up into 12 episodes. You didn’t watch it guy.

Madoka is nowhere near as good as Card Captor Sakura

How cute it is to see you trying to pass Evergarden being boring as an universal fact, as if the constant raids during a shitposting season were legitimate criticism.

Evergarden survived you niggers, deal with it.

I've watched it. It's clear that you're the one who hasn't because if you did you'd know how terrible it is. But you don't care since you just lurk /u/ all day and wank to pictures of girls kissing and hugging.

This. I bet it's the same spammer shitposting right now.

What the hell? Madoka is way better. Sakura is basically a monster of the week children’s series dude. Take off the nostalgia goggles.

>Madoka has a 10/10 story
I wonder how can someone be so deluded. Madoka story is a complete mess. Most of its episodes are unnecessary and plain weak, the show litterally would be better if they just included 3rd episode and the few last ones - every episode about character that was not Madoka/Homura was complete unnecessary waste and ruined the pacing and story of the series - not that there is much story to begin with, and the show rushes through it exclusively in last eps - of which episode 10 you mentioned, is only actually good one because it was animated by fuckign UMETSU, and without him they coudnt even made climatic finale as good and not feel meh in comparison.

>FranXX is better than Gundam Thunderbolt
>Sakura Quest is better than K-on!
>Maho Girls Precure is better than Card Captor Sakura
It's almost like hard-and-fast rules about which art is superior don't really work in reality. Shocking stuff.

The fact that you’re associating the show with themes that aren’t relevant just shows you haven’t watched the show. I guarantee you could go into the Madoka series wanting with all your heart to hate it and when you finish on episode twelve it will guaranteed replace your number one favorite anime.

Both Sakura and Sailor Moon is times better than Madoka in every single aspect. CLAMP is amazingly more talanted and deep writers than Urobuchi would ever be, and Sailor Moon by all its episodic monsters had amazing story, much more serious, intricated and even grim than Madoka.

hi im the lower tier here but can I throw some respect for my boys at Kadokawa

they work hard too you know

Is this about to become a Madoka thread?

No, it's about to become a thread about some braindead otaku faggot who can't cope with the fact that there are people who dislike things he likes and will rationalise it by convincing himself anyone who doesn't simply hasn't watched it and are lying about it to him for some reason. In other words mental problems general.

Where did the VEGfags touch you on this thread ?
Oh yeah. I was lurking there, most of the board was.

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no, since everything needed to be said about it waid - its shit. Fate Extra had some episodes that were essentially Madoka, and no one gave a crap - so dead it is.

See
The same applies to Sailor Moon

Almost every notable writer in the industry highly praised the series and some had even claimed it had surpassed Evangelion. It’s a legit masterpiece. I know you think you understand the series but the truth is 90% of the series probably went straight over your head. I’ve seen it happen to people before.

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VEG was boring? If anything that thread was more about if Madoka or Eva was a better show with VEG being kind of the red headed step child nobody took seriously besides Kyo fanboys.

>no PVs

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Whatever helps you sleep at night, kid.

That's a cute headcanon.

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>I know you think you understand the series but the truth is 90% of the series probably went straight over your head
maximum irony, since i was one of cs/a/ fags that litterally were decyphering the series from the start, before it even went popular until realizing it simply had shit writing and absolute zero substance and complete meaningless in every aspect. Newfags are amusing.

Studio wars are retarded. I only like haruhi from that list

It’s not a sleep. It’s a promise.

Ishidate doomed kyoani threads.

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>shit writing
>zero substance

Like I said before. The series was praised by almost every notable writer in the Industry. It’s filled with lore, substance and meaning for everybody. When everybody else seems crazy a good person to look at might be yourself, user. Maybe you should get around to actually watching the series one day.

When will people realize that Madoka is a better anime than their favorite series? Even if your favorite series is Madoka.

Appeal to authority being a far cry from a legitimate argument in any way whatsoever aside, name some of these "notable writers in the industry" and some of the objective, analytically insightful things they have said.

The series is cared for about absolutely no one at this point, but exclusively yuri shippers using it for lewd fantasies.

Aside from the "twists" that came surprising (well aside from time trave, at that point it was predicted already) it has absolutely nothing to offer writing wise and never was praised by anyone of worth despite your claims.

Urobuchi only talent is only to creat grim atmosphere - nothing of his works were ever praised for "good writing". I can swear Madoka tards probably do not even remember most of content of its episodes after third and before last ones.

I'm still waiting for a response to this "muh originals"-kun. What's the matter? Did I obliterate your argument in one post?

Hideaki Anno (see pic related):
This is really good, Kyubey. Be it getting rid of lip-synching, or working it as a character, doing it so thoroughly makes me feel great. And the symbolization of the witches is also skillfully done. The music is also good. My urge is to own the three BGM tracks like the "salesman's theme" which I love, got me to buy Vol. 2 of the Blu-Ray. Ep. 10 was good too. The way HomuHomu was depicted was good. I think in terms of the released form of anime works, going for a movie series instead of another TV series is a good way to establish it even further. I have high expectations of it.
>Mamoru Oshii (Japan Media Arts Festival judge):
Madoka is the first "god-tier" anime since Evangelion.
>Yutaka Yamamoto:
Stop Cancelling Our Anime! There’s no need for “self-estraint” with anime. There is no need to cancel Madoka. Now of all times, Madoka must keep crying out the truth of humanity.
>Kazuo Koike(Lone Wolf and Cub & Crying Freeman):
There were many times I felt my heart rending when I watched Madoka Magica. I think it is a great thing to create such touching work. Gen Urobuchi, I could not have such ideas. I admit defeat.
>Shunji Suzuki:
Madoka might beat Eva, if it hasn't yet. It's not good for relics of the past to stay at the top forever.
>Ryusuke Hikawa (Japan Media Arts Festival judge):
For the past decades I've wondered, "Why can't anybody make an anime with as much impact as Gundam using the power of the moe anime genre?" Madoka Magica made this wish come true.
>Hitoshi Sakoh:
The pairing of Madoka and Homura is just the best!
>Rena Matsui:
It was a most heartfelt joy to watch scenes like the ED of ep. 10 or when Kyubey gave a speech

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Is that the the the Madona mobile game makes more money than VEG does in BD sales? Because nobody cares about it?

>a bunch of spineless otaku licking each other's balls
yawn

Most of these speak of the aesthetic properties of the work and are showering it with empty epithets that convey no objective insight into the writing whatsoever. Care to try again?

Wew, I meant.

Is that why the Madoka mobile game makes more money than VEG does in BD sales? Because nobody cares about it?*

I was laughing while posting it. My bad. It’s just funny to think about.

When are you going to watch Madoka user? Can I schedule you in for this weekend?

I'll consider watching it again once you finally stop shitposting. Shame that means I'll never get to see it for the third time eh?

Oh I remember you. You're the sheep that associates sales with quality.

Hello. I'm sorry to inform you that such relation does not exist and that VEG has in quality what Madoka has in sales.
In fact the same can be said for some recent shows that sold very poorly, shows like 3gatsu and Rakugo for instance.

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anyone got more kyoani reaction images? i want to save them?

Yes but you can't have my collection.

You haven’t seen it once though.

No you haven't. I have. Prove me wrong. You literally can't.

The Inu curry art in madoka looks a lot better than the forced animation with instagram filters in veg but that’s just my opinion.

So you say that the sales lists that were published in Yea Forums are wrong? because Kyoani really did it bad for what is supposed to be "the best animation studio" Just saying.

You are allowed to have as many wrong opinions and conceptions as you like, nobody will stop you.

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You know I’m right though.

That's just another wrong conception you have but that's ok user.

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Mama says I’m right.

>K-ON! is Gold Standard
What a low bar of entry then.
Maybe !! is good, but currently having seen few episodes of first season, the comedy just isn't landing and the "moe" if there is supposed to be any feels forced.
Maybe it s the Seinfeld effect but it just doesn't hold up to all the praise it gets.
Call me a fag if you must.

Mama and papa aren't always telling you the truth, Jimmy. I'm sorry.

It's been pretty good.

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How is Hyouka a pleb filter, almost every normalfag I've seen who talks about anime in some regard has seen it. As for Tamako Market, while you could argue that it is underrated when compared to other moeshit, a masterpiece? Hell no, same goes for the movie, it isn't bad but not close to a masterpiece. I know this is probably posted by the same guy who constantly shits out his kyoani shill posts. But at least make a better graph. you don't even need to include those 2 and it would make a better infographic.

>they have romance in just about everything and fun fact: IT NEVER GETS OLD
I fucking hate how every interesting idea gets ruined by the money making magic wand of romance. Any writers in here? I'm going to give you an amazing life lesson so listen up: if you need romance to make your story interesting you failed as a writer so go find another hobby. If you want to write romance, do it, but don't shoehorn it to every fucking thing you do. Romance is the ketchup of writing and I know food is the ketchup of analogies but it's fitting for the worst element you can add to an story.

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Nothing wrong with romance it's just that there exists not a single anime, manag, or LN that approaches it in a dignified, believable manner because it's an entirely alien concept to otaku.

Here, take it or leave it.

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Did you start episode one?

jerk

keep re watching the first 3 episodes until it clicks. it's not something that appeals to everyone, i would know

also maybe try watching hibike first

Market > Love Story

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>keep re watching the first 3 episodes until it clicks
"No"

>k-on
bruh.. it's objektivley shit
just a moe waifu bait of a show, can't belive you inept idiots take this shit serious
i'd rather watch inujasha than this crap

>this is what the retard thinks
It's lighthearted fun, K-On is excellent in how it makes the everyday experiences entertaining.

>the greatest love story ever will never be animated by godani

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aged like milk

nobody brought up your mom

*fine wine

not him, No. but do you know what did? flcl______

women age like milk and my mom is no different
boohoo big deal

>The best seller of the season right now is an anime original made by an indie studio
proof of sales figures?

not him, The sakuga in Evergarden looks much better even in spite of the layers of CG. Nothing from any tv anime or even the vast majority of movies can compete. And I like Madoka.

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Madoshit is fucking trash mate.

No it's not. And your attempt at false flagging is pathetic, KHK.

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It's fucking trash.

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There’s a difference between detail and art.

You’re using a bait scene from the first episodes where it’s supposed to be an average everyday magical girl show. Did you even watch it?

That’s a trick scene and they even made those look way better later one. The first airing was very much underfunded and they had to make duo with the time they had and money. It’s a lot more clean in modern versions and Yea Forums even made a version of Madoka that takes the best scenes from the movies and inserts them where they’d go in the anime. It all comes together and turns out to be great.

How sad it must be to not understand why you’re so wrong about this.

Damn, i wish VE wasn't a such a poorly written, sleep inducing show.

>There’s a difference between detail and art.
I love the detail and you require it for the art to look the way it does and be expressive. That's far from the only reason why I posted it though, Akira is detailed but it doesn't look very good. Look at the art. I really like the stylisation Evergarden has, those unique elegant swirls in the blocks of shading looks absolutely gorgeous. The fact that it conveys depth with CEL shading too is great.

Another day, another Kyoani shitposting thread. Don't you people ever get tired?
And I'm talking to drones and haters both, don't try to blame any boogieman.

There’s detail in Veg but the design and world have generic design for the modern age. Look at the Inu Curry stuff in Madoka if you like art because they’re the only legitimate artists that work in the medium right now.

Fate Extra had Inu Curry art, exact same style as Madoka. No one gave a damn. No one gives a damn about Madoka nowadays either.

So much for "art"

I'm wide awake.

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>FREE where everything go to hell

>Koe No Katachi "A new hope"

>Violet Evergarden fuck this looking good is all it matters

It should not surprise you, living beings feed on other living beings; the kyoanifags feed on the shitposting.

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I don't think Evergarden is "generic" and that is a terrible opinion.

>Inu Curry
I've seen it, it's good.

Kyoanifag here. Saw the thread earlier, thought to myself "this again, but we've had like 5 of these threads before?!" But it's my duty as a true anime fan to defend Kyoto's honour. No i'm not a "fanboy" or a "cultist" or a "drone" just a normal fan as any anime fan should be.

P.S.
No this isn't "studio loyalty".

>kyoanifags feed on the shitposting
I hate it.

>it's bait because I said so
Ok kid.

madokeks btfo

>KyoAni in 2k19
...

>Nichijou is nearly a decade old
get me off this ride bros

The cult doesn't sleep.

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So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

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Why don't other studios just hold their own contests to get source material from? That way they can own the IP and make more than scraps for the shows they produce.

>female soldier holding on to her blanket after 3 days of incessant enemy mortar barrages; circa 1917

Is KyoAni saving the industry?

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Other studios aren't Kyoani. A KA Bunko LN will get a premium quality adaptation but the novel wont get as much publicity as it would've had form other publishers like Kusokawa. Kyoani cant even afford to put the VE LN in regular stores.(that's why you need to help them, give them your money) If your average studio tried this the LN wouldn't get publicity or decent production values. Authors have some incentive to have their work published by Kyoani but with other studios there would be none.

Yes!

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That's not Kyoani.

That's from an ex-kyoani hack animator.

>points out hyouka as a pleb filter
>number of people shitting on hyouka is 10 times lower than usual

I love how Yea Forums works

are they so advanced their shows from 10 years ago still look better than shows today?

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Kyoani trained the guy who animated that and now he's helping out the industry. Read the reply chain next time, newfriend.

>false flagging

What do you expect? They're one of the few studios that actually try. It's in their work ethic to always try and deliver the best product possible.

Whoever that is is not Kyoani. He's a freelancer now. There are probably hundreds of former perriot animators working all over the industry, do you consider their work to be Perriot's?

>disliking liz
is there a faster way to spot plebeians?

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Kigami = Ishidate > Satou > Shinpei > power gap > Nakayama

The hack won't be missed.

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>nobody cares about fate

Really... Also where’s the Inu Curry art?

>Shit
>Didn't watch
>Didn't watch
>Didn't watch
>Shit
>Shit

That looks mediocre, my friend.

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Yeah, your shite tumblr gif with fucked up colors and blur looks simply amazing, user.

>"talking head" protagonist
I'm always on board. Better than not knowing what your protagonist is thinking.

Seethe more, buddy.

You can't compare TV anime with a fucking movie.

>seething this much over the fact that it is now undeniable that Kyoani are saving the industry
I didn't claim it was. It was done by an animator who was trained at the studio and his work embodies Kyoani's principles. The point was obviously that they're feeding desperately needed talent back into the industry.

Isn't that Shinkai? His movies have very modest budgets.

>KyoAni employees have actual salaries

such a renegade practice

Yes you can.

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>and his work embodies Kyoani's principles.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Kyoani's animation style boils down to fast cuts and heavy use of close ups. There's very little full body character acting in most Kyoani shows. That cut is nothing like Kyoani.

This looks better.

Yea you can.

This.

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>This looks better.
Not really, bucko. The shading is just atrocious, besides they're not animated like my example.

All I'm saying is if you want to prove a point, post a high quality version, not that.

Stop talking about subjects you do not understand.

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>all those close ups and mids
>mediocre and flat full body animation
Thanks for proving my point.

I'm talking about their work ethic of always trying to deliver the best possible product. Jesus, get a clue. It's in their corporate philosophy. An example of this is going through the trouble of hand drawing close ups of the typewriters in Evergarden when they didn't need to since they already has a 3d model. Point is that an unprecedented amount of work went into that ED which is a reflection of how Kyoani treat their projects these days. Now stop being argumentative for the sake of it.

>The shading is just atrocious
In what way? Are you even interested in serious discussion? The CEL shading looks beautiful, only the layer of CG over it is bad, might've you been referring to that?

>it's mediocre because I say so
>i'm going to purposely miss the point being made by a cut with mixed approaches
Cool story kid.

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Oh their work ethic, in that case I'd have to agree. They do try to make quality animation regardless of how vapid and mediocre the adaptation is, as well as copy paste stuff; that Kaguya dance was mostly rotoscoped, for example.

That's even worse, no weight, unrealistic motions. Try again, pal.

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>gets BTFO
>t-try again
Nah I'm good.

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I'll take this as a concession, thank you very much.

Garden of Words is pretty short though. I don't know what kind of budget they had but even a modest budget for a movie would be incredible for that length.

>that Kaguya dance was mostly rotoscoped, for example
Oh well i guess it's only as bad as a Disney film.

dorkly.com/post/80304/disney-rotoscope

Ahahahaha predictable like a small child. Hey, thanks a lot for the laughter.

Holy shit, Disney are fucking hacks.

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That's shit too, aged like milk.

OBSESSED

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>independence
all those but tamago were adaptations of other publishers

Stop giving KHK more (You)'s. Besides, he's done much worse.

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if kyoani is so successful then what about tsurune? you know the show nobody talked about and sold even less BDs than phantom world

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Trend Setter: Dragon Maid
Cult Classic: Amagi Brillant Park
Pleb Filter: Violet Evergarden
Underrated Masterpiece: Phantom World
Genre's Gold Standard: FMP: 2nd Raid
Magnum Opus: Tamako Love Story

He's still right, though.

Man those designs are awful, I'm no fujo but it probably flopped because the boys all look fucking ugly.

Who is claiming that they're "successful" because i'm certainly not. They're successful for an anime studio BUT anime studios are piss poor. That is why YOU need to help them.

I'm not buying their garbage novels, user.

Some of the mikuru parts maybe, everything else is the best thing Kyoani ever did.

It needed more Shoe.

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>VEGtards on Yea Forums still circlejerking over their boring flop

Was Free ever this fucking gay?

Why do KyoAni fags never mention Free when it was one of their bigger money-makers?

I've never seen K-On! and it sets of my nostalgia - how is this even possible?

What you waiting for? It's really _cute_

Takemoto tried.
youtube.com/watch?v=pDJdOVI5CM8

because it's the golden standard for the genre. after k-on, a lot of SoL moe shows tried to copy it.

Watch it. It's fun, it'll probably make you laugh.

I took a hiatus from 2009 to 2018 because I had a girlfriend
now I'm back I've got a lot of catching up to do
adding it to my ever-exapanding watchlist that I'll have to power through this summer

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Takemoto pls.

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Thats why VEG is a mistake, is just shit

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What would kissing Violet feel like?

The only thing that's shit is your opinion.

What happened to Takemoto anyway, ever since Hyouka he failed to deliver something good.

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>boku wa tomodachi
God I miss this show, one of my favourites. This is why I shill Kyoani, I wish this got Evergarden tier audiovisuals, I wish this got a season 3. It's been too fucking long.

I loved it too. The out of nowhere deconstruction of the "oblivious" harem protag was great, such a shame it happened so late and was never followed up on
also wishing for a S3

I want to see my wife again.

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I was a Senafag but Rika was perfect in S2

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The gayest episode of Tsurune was also directed by Takemoto, although Shoe's still the biggest homo.

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This show had lots of great girls and also one of the best EDs in anime ever. I never get bored of listening to this.

youtube.com/watch?v=GlUTvXcDY-Y

How does Kyoani manage to stay so ahead of their competition? They have to be cheating.

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Simple. By having talented and passionate staff, paying their animators on salary and providing them with a good working environment.

I might be one of the few who thinks Frozen was absolutely ruined by romance (and by generic villain).

Would you watch a kyoani idol show?

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Too bad their directors are pretentious faggots.

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Yamada > Takemoto > Ishihara > Ishidate. Prove me wrong.

you used > instead of

Lowest Common Denominator

Yamada > Ishidate > Ishihara > Takemoto

Hyouka was a masterstroke he just can't seem to repeat and even then I remember very well who the enshutsu for some of my favorite episodes was - Ishidate.

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Takemoto is the guy you want directing Acton and Mech shows, which is what Kyoani should be doing. Maid Dragon and TSR had the best action. Complaints about Kyoani's action are typically aimed at Ishidate's works like Evergarden and Kyoukai as people don't like the style.

Takemoto is better than Ishidate.

name 1(one) studio that has a better catalogue than KyoAni.

Takemoto is not better than Ishidate. I still remember the sour taste Dragon Maid and Amagi left in my mouth and it has been 7 years since Hyouka. Seven fucking years.
And while Kyoukai did also leave a bad taste, Ishidate's brilliant past work on some episodes of Clannad AS and Hyouka kept it balanced. In fact I still remember the cafe scene from Hyouka ep.3, something Ishidate both directed and storyboarded, as if I had watched it yesterday because of how amazing it was. Then VEG came in and filled my mouth with sugar.

Takemoto became the go-to enshutsu for faggotry episodes and I'm seriously hoping he is the chosen director for Denmoku and that he redeems himself before my eyes.

gainax, ghibli, madhouse, toei, nue, sunrise, science saru,

>gainax
>died a decade ago. puts out nothing but trash
>ghibli
>boring, shitty movies
>madhouse
>isekaishit and shounenfaggotry: the studio
>toei
>shounenfaggotry: the studio
>nue
>mecha is a shit genre
>sunrise
>see nue
>science saru
>literally who?
you can do better than this.

>this piss poor bait
you can do better than this

>I-If i call it a bait I can pretend I got him
don't you have some one piece generals to go to?

Both of you can do better than this.

Yamadafags are mentally ill

>Gary Stu
Don’t use terms you don’t understand,user.

>muh independence
>only adapts safe shitty light novels
Even shit studios like Deen have taken more risks with the material they've adapted over the past few decades. I could name 10 studios off the top of my head that carry more prestige than the mediocrity that is KyoAni.

Bait but this is still assuming they even have a good catalogue.

TMS, Madhouse, Sunrise, Nippon, Toei

>TMS
stopped reading there.

Lupin III
Rose of Versailles
Ashita no Joe 2
Akira
and that alone is more than KyoAni will ever accomplish but please continue shitposting unless you actually wanna debate this. You wanaa talk about influence, genre defining, and industry changing, I got you beat.

I had no idea they worked on Joe. That's arguably the greatest character piece in all of anime. Even political figures read the manga.

7.71
8.37
8.31
8.17

You didn't even mention the high quality American cartoons they worked on like Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, and Batman the animated series.

Those are some fantastic scores even though you most likely ripped them from MAL of all places. Even fucking Fairy Tail which is a literal hunk of shit has a grossly high rating.

>fantastic
>nothing above an 8.5
Clannad AS shits on their whole catalogue.

90% kyoani shows aren't higher than a 6

>spending millions of dollars adapting LN nobody has ever heard of before
>safe

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>unironically posting MAL scores
MAL thinks bunny girl sempai is a greater work of art than shows like planetes, eva, ashita no joe. Are you out of your fucking mind?

an aggragate review score is a much better barometer than personal scores.

According to whom exactly? You have no statistics. You're using a Western weeb site where the majority of it's users are teenagers who slap 10s on generic romcoms. Come back when you have something legitimate .

It really, really isn't. A brief glimpse at MAL's top 200 is more than enough proof. You're legitimately retarded.

You forgot to add "shit" before LN.

I'm sorry your favorite anime has been deemed to be shit. Get better tastes next time maybe?

This is Yea Forums in 2019. Using MyAnimeList and it's scores as the be-all end-all

Sorry your personal 10/10 is actually a 3/10 in reality.

isn't that the same website that has like 3 Gintama shows in their top 10? How is anyone suppose to take that seriously?

by actually giving them a decent annual wage and not treating them like slaves like all the other studios do to save money

Go ahead. Keep shitposting.

not him.

>madhouse
Why do you post this crap? Old Madhouse was better but new Madhouse are a disgrace.

>gainax
Dead

>toei
Shounenshit studio and their consistency is a joke.

>sunrise
They were good once but not anymore, you need to get over this piece of shit studio. Fuck this dogshit idolshit studio and fuck you for even suggesting they're better than Kyoani you nigger anime hater. Fuck them.

>science saru
Who?

>nue
No.

not him, nice defection

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All you need to know about MAL is this is considered the best anime ever.

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the prompt wasn't "name 1 studio who is currently making better anime" you numbskull. it was who has a better catalogue than kyoani. learn to read.

You live under a rock if you actually think Toei is just shounenshit in their 50 year history. They gave us shit like Captain Harlock, Cyborg 009, and Dr. Slump.

those are sequels so it makes sense.

>mediocrity that is KyoAni
>studio with the best production values
>mediocrity
kill yourself

>being this insecure over a throwaway comment

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you're right, fuck. i'm doing like 20 things right now.

i know but current toei aren't better

>best production values
Holy shit you are retarded to make such a broad and baseless claim.

>still deflecting

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>baseless

do you even watch anime?

Where have you been the last decade?

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recent projects are still part of a studios catalogue. KyoAni is the only studio who has been making classics their inception and hasn't stopped. All the other studios like Gainax and Madhouse used to make good shows, but have now turned shit, affecting their catalogue.

>sunrise
the only reason they exist is to pump out idol shit.

You don't understand, gintama is mankind's greatest artistic achievement and the culmination of our cultural output as a species. All other anime is shit in comparison. I know this because aggregate scores from a demographic of children and teens who don't even know what a book looks like deemed it so. What do you mean the opinions of ignorant, culturally isolated consumers matter less than industry veterans? The works of Miyazaki, Oshii, Watanabe, Satoshi and Takahata are all talentless fucking hacks compared to the unparalleled genius displayed in transcendential masterpieces of human creativity such as Fullmetal Alchemist, Steins;Gate and Gintama.

Watched their best shows and I wasn't impressed. It's moe, cute girls doing cute things, or romantic dramas. It's not for me and I refuse to think this is the standard for what anime should be. I need a studio with variety and characters that actually have noses and more natural realistic eyes.

>so what you're saying here is that endless eight was completely pointless and served no purpose whatsoever? Doesn't sound fitting of a magnum opus.
Well it lead to Nagato having her own TV series.

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Not an argument.

Studiowar threads should be banned. It contributes nothing except poor shitposting.

studio war threads should be banned because it highlights just how much better KyoAni is than the rest.

good thing this isn't a studiowar thread

>It's not for me and I refuse to think this is the standard for what anime should be.
I was talking about their production values. Their audiovisuals almost always do a great job at expressing what they need to. They're objectively good regardless of your aesthetic preferences.

>characters that actually have noses
don't you think noses are ugly? wasn't the removal of it good?

>and more natural realistic eyes
That's what Evergarden had, see attached mage. The classic large anime style eyes are better though, I think the CM was nicer.
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Thread is literally KyoAni is better than everyone else.

Reminder that who gives a shit how good something looks when the rest of the show isn't that great.

>KyoAni is better than everyone else.
objective facts are objective facts.

Thread is not the OP and the OP is fine. Also Kyoani are pretty much the best nowadays.

>The classic large anime style eyes are better though, I think the CM was nicer.
Lol fuck that.

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KyoAni hasn't had a gigantic hit since K-On.

>free

they have the best production quality you douche. i'm not talking about sales.

yea the cm looks better, there's more depth in the eyes. tv still looks great though

Fucking hell.

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piss off. you're not going to pretend it's worse just because the image compression is bad. i like the tv version but it looks kinda matte

No, it's worse because the bug eyes look like shit and don't go with the visual aesthetic or tone of the show at all.

youtube.com/watch?v=0CJeDetA45Q&t=14s

Bruh just look at the chromatic aberration and that moeblob face. She looked just like Kumiko.

He's right about the eyes, though.

I'm the guy who commented on how I think Kyoani rotoscopes hands. I'm sure the VEG cultist who I argued with in that thread is here since there are only like 4 VEG fans in the board. That huge hand with those huge man fingers are another example of why I think Kyoani rotoscopes hands when they have to do more complex animations.

This post is epic and okay.

okay, this is epic.

she looks cuter and more fuckable in the cm

The only kyoani shows that I'd consider good are Haruhi and maybe Hyouka

Fuck bug eyes on a yuro setting.

I got to post this twice today

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I just checked and apparently MAL considers Pingu in the City to be a better anime than Princess Tutu.

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You lost the war 13 years ago, gramps. Quit bitching about it already.

>fuckable
Good thing they didn't go with that design. Violet isn't for sex, she is for admiring and protecting.

Evergarden was never meant to be cute or sexual.

The VEG thread is pure cancer right now, can I take refuge here?

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>VEG cultist
what does this mean?

This is the best kyoani girl.

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At least MAL considers something.

Good luck ever having a concise poll on this board, too many proxies and too small of a pool.

There's not FMA, Ranma1/2, DB or Ah! Megami sama. At the best, is very incomplete.

Are they allowed to do this?

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She doesn't seem like the type of gal that has friends.

Violet is a girl with many friends. She was very popular in doll school.

You know what I just don't fucking relate to teenagers having relationship problems how do you not know to just go fucking talk to people

I thought Kyoani didn't whore out their characters?

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Damn, i love KyoAni.

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is Kyoani the official studio of 4channel?

chadani always wins baby

KA Esuma should make some announcements in the comming day. Will see if its anything interesting or just 'buy merch'

It's probably the announcements of the recent honorable mentions. "Witch of the Dormitory" and "Time."

$5 it's just buy merch. They have two big movies coming up so you just know they'll start pumping out merch.

KyoAni is the MCU of the Anime world and its always funny watching kyoani fans reject the notion that the anime they watch aren't incredibly mainstream

wtf i hate kyoani now

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Why is she so fucking SAD all the time?

What the fuck happened to my happy kyoani.

Because you touch yourself.

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no Azumanga Daioh wtf user?

nice smile.

BOW DOWN TO YOUR GOD!

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i am.

youtube.com/watch?v=o2yKEs7oi3U

only when I think about Violet

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Nagato is a pretty abusive parent to Ryoko.

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how heavy is that water balloon? why is she so strong?

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kek

What is love-kun was based

he was.

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the more refined designs in TV anime are way superior though

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beautiful.

It is tho.Name one thing that ever came out of japan in last millenium that has better writing.

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they make trashy crap with high production values.

kyoani is the apex of what is wrong with anime creatively.

every anime they make is about sexy high school kids.

that as risk adverse as anime gets.

Retard, look at the top of the image.

>Hunter x Hunter
Again with revisionist history that Yea Forums has ever liked that trash. Get out.

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I'm downloading Haruhi Suzumiya, it is that great ?