Why did the Italian Fascists make such good art? Pound, the futurists, etc. pic related

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is your pic supposed to be good art? because it looks like something someone would paint if they were looking at that you cunt.
i like italians though they are passionate and i draw my fucking skills from imagining im italian.

its the type of writing that either pleases you or doesnt, it mostly imagery and aesthetics theres not really that much to "get"

Yes. The Mediterranean is the master race.

also fascism had an important aesthetical commitment

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Well there heavily referential, so if you don't have a grasp of classical poetry and mythology, like the sappho, lucretius etc. then a lot of stuff will be missed. He also references medieval Italian poetry and uses a form and meter from old english poetry. It's also imagistic which was the style he was in to. But if you don't know the references, you'll likely miss a lot of the images. So that's part of it. It's also just beautifully metered and formed.

they're*

There are not and never have been Idahoans.

I'll take your critique of beautiful art seriously when you learn how to construct a sentence goddamn son.

I discovered Chirico thanks to the game Ico and Murakami talking about it on Wind-Up Bird Chronicle.

Exactly.

do you think the OP pic is "beautiful art"?
not gonna call you a blind cunt, genuinely curious.

yes

that is interesting.
what is your political alignment, genuinely curious.

Damn. Tell that to the guy who invented TV

christian anarchist a la tolstoy

so alt-right? no wonder.
this is interesting.

ever read ilyin's resistance to evil by violence?

lol what? no, I'm not right at all. I'm anti-market, anti-hierarchy, generally supportive of progressive social goals. Pretty much a classical marxist in the alienation and workers owning the means of production. Idk about trans stuff but that's about the only issue which I would be remotely righty. I didn't say evangelical libertarian lmao. Did anarchist or christian make you think alt-right cuz you pretty much couldn't have been more wrong.

no I haven't, redpill me user, i am curious

It was the combo.
You sound surprisingly normal, so a social democrat/democratic socialist pretty much?

"if you combine two lefts you get a right" is this the power of mathematics applied to social studies? I'm in awe

So he was too far up his own asshole to be enjoyable. Got it.

well i like some of the platforms, my general objection to the policies suggested by such parties(and obviously definitions are gonna play a big part here, so it depends on what one means by democratic socialist) is that it entrenches government power even more. I think that given the way things are now we need redistributive taxation, welfare net, etc. But I think that compulsory taxation is unjust. Also that institutions always end up prioritizing their own continued survival over the ends on which they were founded to make obtain, thus the anarchist part. The anti-institution streak dovetails with my religious beliefs (i'm quaker) just to avoid the
>muh churches are hierarchical objection

also
isn't me

i mean, that's one way of looking at it. Another way is that he had an incredible background and education in poetry and he was trying to take the best parts of each and fuse them into a new, beautiful style. It's only pretentious if you make it, user

you're not that guy.
but christian anarchist is not 2 lefts my retard.
yea i guessed that but theres no proof haha.
would you say the only "pop philosopher" you support is zizek? given that i am seeing that your view is fairly specific and would only function under a government which is benign and operates functionally in the shadows as it should?
you seem to be genuine, so i'll ask, what do you find interesting about that painting. because personally it just seems like observation. i'm an art retard to be fair but what is it, the simplicity?

If he had such an incredible background in poetry, why do the Cantos read like Rupi Kapur?

And then went down to the ship,
Set keel to breakers, forth on the godly sea, and
We set up mast and sail on that swart ship,
Bore sheep aboard her, and our bodies also
Heavy with weeping, and winds from sternward
Bore us out onward with bellying canvas,
Circe’s this craft, the trim-coifed goddess.
Then sat we amidships, wind jamming the tiller,
Thus with stretched sail, we went over sea till day’s end.
Sun to his slumber, shadows o’er all the ocean,
Came we then to the bounds of deepest water,
To the Kimmerian lands, and peopled cities
Covered with close-webbed mist, unpierced ever
With glitter of sun-rays

What a cunt. Just write your lame prose without formatting.

Not to be annoying, but it's gonna depend on what you mean by "pop philosopher." Bc if it's like zizek, sam harris, jordan peterson tier, then I don't really like any of them, even if I do like zizek more than the other two. I'm actually a grad student in philosophy so I have pretty strong views lol. I'm a weird mix of analytic and continental so if you're looking for a contemporary Hegelian I would suggest Robert Brandom. I don't agree with all he says, but he's a good philosopher. I also am pretty into Plato. You are totally correct that my view requires a very specific type of society, which is why I generally just vote for the furthest left candidate in any election.

With regards to the painting, I'm afraid my answer will be unsatisfying. I guess it just strikes me as beautiful. I can give you some reasons, namely the play of the perspective(notice the lines of the buildings on the side pointing towards the cupola in the background.) I also like the the play of colors with the green and yellow and orange. Plus there is something else pleasing about the composition with the statue in the middle that is distinct from the perspective reason. But, all these reasons are defeasible and local. I do think that it is in principle to give an analysis of what a good painting is, like Aristotle tried to do for poetry, I just don't think anyone has done it yet. So, until then, we'll just have to give the sort of reasons I have above

>scheduled T-Pose
its cool

>implying fascism ever got defined enough in English to properly allow my ass to assign any artwork properly to it
manifestos of fashion ain't proof bub

spectacular copy, screencapped for future reference

okay fair enough. 2bh i hate philosophy students because i kind of wanted to do that and ended up doing sociology. you sound pretty convinced in your view of government so good on you, i actually don't really care lol as long as it's not some openly oppressive bullshit i just wanna do my own shit.
yea your painting answer is unsatisfying af lmao but i'm an art retard to me it looks like some 15-year old saw that shit and drew it with a computer program but whatever.

This thread became cringe

Why would Baird care?

sociology is pretty chill. Are you into more the theory side or the quant side? With the painting stuff, I feel, but like what sort of answer would have satisfied you? I could give some history that would situate the painting in it's context and maybe explain why you should see the style it's painted in, in a particular light, but I'm not sure that would help. I mean, unless we have some necessary and sufficient conditions for what makes a good painting, all one can do is give local reasons. So if you don't see it and think it's beautiful all I can do is try to gesture towards the parts I find beautiful. It might help to say that it was painted in i think 1910, so long before comps. but idk, that's my art rant

>sincerity is cringe

enjoy your dreadful life user

Is Christianity "right" to you? You must be a burgertard

Codesto.

Costco

p much

Came here to post this.

>anarchist
>alt-right
which drug you on mate?

Ever read Homer, Ovid?

How (apart perhaps from his 'return to order') is De Chirico a fascist?

He was used by them and they took inspiration from his aesthetics. Aside from that not much.

Dionysianism

Oh right, like the simplified classical architecture (Palazzo della Civiltà Italiana for example). Then again, as you know, he was also a big influence on the surrealists.

>Oh right, like the simplified classical architecture
Yes, precisey that.

>Then again, as you know, he was also a big influence on the surrealists.
Yes, and though they is a pretty authoritarian streak in the practical functioning of the surralist, ironically, it's true that at the time it was very easy to be taken up and claimed as source by everyone and their dog.

Farnsworth. Sorry but Scots cant invent anything besides new ways to ingest heroin. Sad!

Christianity is inherently patriarchal and colonialistic, in practice it aims to further the control of women's bodies by men and the policing of queer sexuality through heteronormativity.

lmao nice bait

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>Also that institutions always end up prioritizing their own continued survival over the ends on which they were founded to make obtain,
im curious where you read this, because Quigley says literally exactly this and it's a big part of his understanding of how civilizations collapse, but I'm wondering if he stole it from some 19th century anarchist or something.

What's the text in the pic from?

The futurists made shit art.

I haven't read bakunin and haven't read kropotkin in a long time so if it's in there I couldn't tell you. But a place I do remember coming accross the idea was in a sociology of religion course in undergrad. The point it was making was over a more restricted domain: churches. But I think it's easy to see how the point is applicable to institutions in general.

Who is Quigley? He sounds interesting.

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But de Chirico wasn't a fascist

If you want to actually study fascism, study Italy. In Spain it is a mania, in Germany a tyranny. You want to actually study the political model then look at the birthplace of empire

>Why did the Italian Fascists make such good art?
>Italian fascists
>futurists
>good art
>good
>art

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Nigger are you serious? In the Resurrection Tolstoy straight up calls for communism. Is Marx alt-right now? God the left is so fucking dumb.