How haven’t the people who do 9-5 jobs for 40 years killed themselves...

Money is nice. I did the bohemian/neet thing for a few years in my twenties, and yeah, laying in bed is great, for a while. Having done both I prefer working 9-5 and having opera tickets and travels and good food. I even think I read more now than I did when I had no commitments; I take responsibility to make sure I read when I can.
Also I'd say humans need structure and order in their lives, and get unhappy without that. A structureless neetdom without any activity or social contact is even more depressing than spending time at work.

If you teach yourself discipline you can make your own structure and dedicate the majority of your time to bettering yourself instead of slaving away for someone else's gain.

Finances place a huge restriction on ones ability to better oneself which is why a disciplined person would ultimately reach the conclusion that there is some quantum of time worth trading for money in that pursuit.

>If you teach yourself discipline you can make your own structure
The majority of people are not capable of this, I certainly wasn't.
If they were, all the neets here would speak six languages and play the violin instead of fapping and playing vidya all day.

THE WHOLE POINT OF WORKING - (TO THE SANE INDIVIDUAL) WAS TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BASICALLY, BUY OUT OF THE SYSTEM. I SAY 'WAS,' BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART, AND NOW, WHETHER YOU ARE READY OR NOT, YOU WILL BE FORCED TO ADAPT.

Wagie here. Work in ITSEC - the area grows so fast they can't get rid of me and I get a lot of freedom. Will eventually go freelance and maybe even small business though.

No.

Because they have been thought that slaving away their life is beneficial to them and society and if they refuse they're literally a leech. Also most people are stupid and can't handle freedom, it's something scary to them to have options and ideas, following orders is simple and comforting, so most of them just stick with it.

This

taught*

You don't have much freedom when you're on benefits

I would like to not have to work, but I don't think I'd care much for opinions, I already have too many of them. I wish I could develop my contemplative streak more. Reading a book, watching the sun slowly roll and the river flow. Writing just for the pleasure of writing. All success and publications merely an afterthought. Freedom, in essence.

Most people need to make a living. It's not some complex philosophical mystery.

almost like the system wants to make use of all of it's rats and punishes you for straying away

We all want to. Trust me, when you graduate with your useless degree you'll see exactly what I mean

I work for a SME clothing store and I read and watch youtube all day, it's pretty comfy and make enough money for living, I just hit 30 and after all these years I can tell you one thing, FUCK THIS, life is absurde, I know people and I'm about to get a federal job, I want financial independence, I want to abuse the system, I want to wear nice clothes and LARP as Christian Bale in American Psycho, fuck NEET life and fuck dirty ass arthoes and their bohemian vega Iifestyle, I want to fuck Stacey, I want to hit the gym and eat expensive meat everyday, I'm ready for it.

You're too late.

Because fundamentally their life is not bad. Theyve experienced a past of hardship and they can see that just doing the due dilligence is enough to live a life better than the people before them or the ones in thirs world countries. Theyre doing it for young people and unfortunately a few of the people who run the show ruin it for everyone

They develop a life outside of their jobs. A strong network of friends, a family of their own, hobbies.

Most people generally dislike their jobs. Do you think cavemen enjoyed hunting for several hours straight to feed their tribe and wouldn't rather just do nothing but fuck, sleep and kill each other?

>techcel
Code monkeying has been a good cope for good 20 years to me, it definitely works. But: Do you have a GF? Can you talk about other topics than computers?

t. fellow /g/entooman who's getting increasingly bored with it, now exploring humanities to try find my own soul.

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they're not consciously thinking that their continuous effort will benefit the youth but they know the bare minimum to keep society afloat long enough to pass the baton to the next.

From the little I've read hunting is often considered an enjoyable activity in hunter-gatherer tribes. It's only a small fraction of the real work however. Most of it is boring shit like cracking nuts and softening pelts to make them wearable (and most of it done by women incidentally). So the general point of work being a boring necessity stands.

Life is hard and you can't always get what you want.

I'm sure after the 8th day of slowly starving while trying to trap an Elk the novelty wears off

Our ancestors were not such sloppy hunters, not those who survived at least. There were apparently pretty creative (if brutal) in their methods. Of course this depends on regions. Some of them would scare entire herds of antilope so that they would run off a cliff, then they would kill the surviving antelopes with rocks, then haul as much meat they could carry from the slaughter. Must have been quite a blast.

Take it from someone working a 7-3, your job should be a part of who you are. Even if it isn’t something mundane, it should representative of your hard work ethic and even personality.

Most people who talk like this don’t even understand how that kind of phenomenon occurs. I do, however, and it’s beautiful.

Power dynamics are real, but so is enjoying work. :3

there were abundance of wildlife.

I mean, I’m not really a code monkey. I guess what makes my position interesting is that I am a data analyst but I also do the backend work to process and manipulate the data before actually reporting it out. So Every project I work on is basically a blank slate

I like my job, I just don't like every aspect of it. I'm an ESL teacher.

Teaching English to teenagers is fun. My issue is with the disrespectful ones. To this day, after working in this area for four years, I've only had problems with two students.

I also don't like correcting homework, but it comes with the package. I also don't like having to deal with parents, mainly the retarded ones. I've had more luck in this regard than my colleagues.

Being a 6ft1 builtfat bearded man comes with the perk that parents respect me, and that kids often find themselves afraid of me due to my appearance, so it's fairly easy to get them to do what I ask.

However, my best experience was teaching a priest of the catholic church. I was his private teacher, and taught him through excerpts of religious and canonical law texts. I learned a lot and felt really engaged. Sadly we had to stop because he fell for a con scheme which robbed him and his church of thousands and he's still recovering from it to this day.

Perhaps I can get back to doing it again in the future. It's better than teaching teenagers. However I still have somethings to do before I can jump off this ship.

I can't go on; I'll go on

>Can you talk about other topics than computers?
I too have observed this phenomenon. Vast majority of code monkeys I've seen are socially autist. What's the explanation for this? I mean there are people in other professions who're as dedicated to their work while also retaining a 'fun' side in a social setting. Why are most coders unable to do this?

I sincerely don't know how people don't off themselves before turning 40. Existence is a constant struggle and suffering, also escapism only makes shit worse.

Not going to lie, I found it very difficult to adjust to the 40 hour work week, especially because college really doesn't prepare you for a white collar job at all. You are completely useless at first, everyone is way older than you, hours feel very long. The job application process can feel very alienating. I could go and on. The short answer is that many people do want to kill themselves. I certainly think about it a lot more. I have friends who are very suicidal. Maybe it gets easier as you go on, I don't know. I know that there's a spike in suicides for men in their late 20s, so maybe when you get past that it becomes easier. I have a job in finance sector and make about 70k/year which is enough to live comfortably on my own and be financially independent. That feels nice. I still actively pursue things that have always interested me like literature, for example, which helps a lot. Have gf with shared interests which helps a lot too although obviously its bad advice to view that as like a "goal" or define your success/happiness that way. I was very suicidal when I first graduated college and had stopped reading, was just partying and doing coke all the time. My best advice would be to keep learning, reading, bettering yourself. Try your best to compartmentalize your work life so you can enjoy your free time. And adopt a "don't be a bitch" attitude re depression.

t. majored in philosophy

I completely agree with most of the posts. I don’t have expensive tastes. If I was reasonably comfortable and had my needs met so I wouldn’t have to work I would be more than happy. I could see the humans needing structure argument and so on but the drudgery of ever day life drains you well past your working hours. For me my job oscillates between extreme boredom and high stress. When I’m not at work I am either recovering from work or preparing to go to work again - and as you get older this routine gets harder and harder to change and get out of.

I have a two hour commute every day both ways. I’ve been doing well keeping up a good Yea Forums streak, but I’m constantly fighting the urge to completely zone out and stare out the window. The shit is oppressive.

Obviously I have way more agency over myself then I’ve letting on, but the suffocating strength of the daily grind cannot be overstated. It’s like having a invisible weight constantly dragging you back.

They are slightly above average in iq and very socially anxious, they usually tend to escape into their own head which over the course of their life leads them to have few social experiences thus reinforcing their awkwardness because they lack common experiences.

>Sadly we had to stop because he fell for a con scheme which robbed him and his church of thousands and he's still recovering from it to this day.
Ahahahahaha holy shit
Imagine being this low iq

>t. majored in philosophy
How the fuck have you got a job with that degree?

I work at a factory six days a week at least 12 hours or more a day with literal meth addicts, alcoholics and absolute brainlets for co-workers and bosses. I've grown convinced it would be just better for me to go to sleep and never wake up. I am essentially a slave. No I can't save up and drop out because I spent all my money/credit and more by buying a house and attempting to open an unsuccessful business. Let me fucking die.
- philosophy drop-out

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How do your friends feel about their work?

>Must have been quite a blast.
Maybe, I think I prefer getting paid 60k to do my job in an air conditioned office. Half the time I just dick about on the internet

I also majored in economics, but that's not really too important, as economics is a theory degree and was also utterly useless to me. The difference between the two being that I'm actually interested in philosophy and completely uninterested in economics, which I chose because I was led to believe it would be "useful". Nobody cares where you went to college or what you majored in after you get your first job. I know this sound surprising because when you are in high school and college everyone places so much emphasis on it. Friend from college also majored in philosophy (no economics) and now has a similar job. What you choose as a major in college isn't some life defining decision that sets you on a linear trajectory (e.g. barista or whatever for philosophy). My most "successful" (monetary) friend used to work at McDonalds. I have friends that I hang out with every weekend and I literally have no idea where they went to college or what they studied because nobody gives a shit or ever even brings it up.

Also wanted to provide a quick counterpoint here. Midwit move to assume that the "unwashed masses" have less interiority than you. You seem to fashion yourself as some tortured outsider who's better than everyone else but come off lacking life experience with this comment.

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They want to be are too scared to do it. As society grows jobs seem more and more pointless. You are not helping your community and being a vital part of it, you are a replaceable slave. The most you can actually aspire for is to be a slave in charge of other slave with a false illusion of climbing the social ladder.
What is an engineering other than one of the technicians in charge supervising other technicians?

>friend used to work at McDonalds
What does he do now?

software engineer. another friend from college majored in like some sort of creative art degree and does the same thing. they both make way more than me.

If you're autistic, working 9-5 will kill your soul and iron you out into a normie. It nukes your fucking brain until you "enjoy working." You start to "enjoy" doing errands, puttering around, put put put put, half your day off just got spent fixing the brakes on your car whose payments you spend 31% of your time thinking about, but that's okay put put put, you didn't mind, you "enjoy driving." Time to drive to work put put put, gotta go buy a new shirt put put put, hey dude guess what, I finally figured out why normies are so happy, it's because they ENJOY movies and TV shows because their brains are completely fried by the end of the day from work so they could watch paint dry and it would entertain them, isn't this great bro? My depression is cured now put put put.

This, but unironically

I think that as long as the job gives interesting challenges and lends itself to passion (that is you can be passionate about what you do and look forward to people asking you about your job) You'll be allright with being a wagie.
I'm self employed tho so i wouldn't know.

Taking a shit isn't even to my liking. But that's life.

T. philosophy BA, not that I regret it

>look forward to people asking you about your job
wtf

Yeah, you know, at social events.

I am interested to know what do you do

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As I suspected

>Honest work for honest pay.
The entire Capitalist mode of production is based on an unfair pay.
But whatever. in the end, believe what you choose to believe.

He's a wageslave. Why bother even arguing with him? Keeping your eyes closed and repeating that everything's fine until it isn't.

Social events where you met people who couldn't care less about you. That's right. And you're going to do that for the next 40 years or so until you retire at which point you can be glad when your children or grandchildren even bother visiting you because no one else will.

If they're too scared to escape the 9-5 hamster wheel what makes you think they'd be brave enough to kill themselves?

>I get to play with computers and code
Sounds absolutely miserable. I'd rather be a janitor.

CS and a lot of other hardcore STEM (math/physics) endeavors can be a sort of social dildo. What drives people to socialize, deep down, is to make others do what you want, and also fix their problems by doing what they need to be done. It's all about power, but also about feeling useful. Street cred, and standing within the social group.

People who become good with computers started off as social outcasts. Nobody was listening to them, nobody took their ideas seriously. But one day, there was this beige box. Or interesting math problem. You told it to do things, and it did. You learned to socialize with problems. You solved problems for others, and they were occasionaly grateful, these anonymous masses. It's a distant thing, but you get the satisfaction of doing something for someone. Debugging some flaky code or figuring out a convoluted mathematical trick is like having a argument with someone over a problem and resolving it. You figure out that you can wield power, give power and use it for evil or good this way. Think what motivated Zuckerberg to make facebook in the movie. With computers especially, it's exactly like that.

Except just like with porn, you can't fool your own brain for too long. Eventually you figure out there are limits to what you can do with computers and in science, that's its entirely separate domain in the end. It can't substitute social life. And worse still even there are monkey hiearchies you yearned to avoid as that young social outcast at the start. Grandstanding on hackernews. Github self-promoters. Inflammatory mailing lists. Fork politics. In science it's the same - grant scams, citation circlejerks and on and on.

So a computer scientist or a physicist, coming off this tech high a decade or two later goes back full circle - back to people and how they tick. And figuring out that is far more difficult than some niggardry on github or science journal games to feel being in control like thinks it is.

nothing to do with iq retard.
mostly what said.

nothing to do with iq retard.
mostly what said

>Honest work for honest pay

Reading this made me clench my teeth together fucking hard.

>social events
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t. 34 year old wage slave