Ok I'll admit, he was spot-on in that the death of religion was decisive for the rise of nihilism...

Ok I'll admit, he was spot-on in that the death of religion was decisive for the rise of nihilism, but what was his solution?

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Make ur own values

Just b urself

The appolonian and dionysian

>but what was his solution
the übermensch is his solution; have you read anything from him at all?

To create your own morals and to trascend plebs and peasants and kings alike.

His solution was too much to expect of plebs. His autism blinded him. Nihilism is the end.

What if i don't give a shit about anything? Not trying to be edgy, but I seriously don't find happiness in friends or family or browsing Yea Forums, they're all 0 value to me. What do i do then?

>what was his solution?
The transvaluation of all values, obviously. The death of religion isn't the end of value-making.

He couldn't discern it, that role was to eventually fall upon Guenon

just give it up already

no-one finds happiness in browsing this godforsaken website, you autist

shamanism

Thank you my man.

Keiji Nishitani — The Self-Overcoming of Nihilism.

chaos magick

Crucified Dionysus.

Read Moby Dick maybe?

the merciless extermination of everything degenerating and parasitic, to make possible again that excess of life on earth from which the Dionysian state will again grow

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If you plonked Nietzsche into the 21st century and asked him who best exemplifies his philosophy, he would point to the average slut on the street. I’m not saying that to attack Neetch, it turns out that women are so retarded that they’re immune to nihilism. He’d probably think their anti-intellectualism is great fun

And what was the solution Guenon came up with ?

fuck christcucks

Animals are immune to nihilism too, doesn't mean they're Neetschean

fuck christcucks

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He dealt with it by smoking Tibetan kush

okay buddy

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>and asked him who best exemplifies his philosophy, he would point to the average slut on the street.
I don't think you've read him... Plus there were already street whores in his time. His point is not that nihilism exists and we should revel in it, but rather that nihilism exists and we should do something about it.

There is no call to action in Nietzsches work, he didnt want the average normie to suddenly "create his own values", matter of fact he thought that the fundemental nature of people was relatively unchangable. The herdsman and the last man were according to Nietzsche stuck in their predicament, hence their failure to listen to Zarathustras warnings. Transvaluation was something that only the Overman could do, and the overman wasnt something someone "became" but something new born in the future entirely.
This whole "create your own values" is american pop philosophy that is found in comics and emraced by hedonists. Dont listen to these retards and read Nietzsche yourself.

cringe and fedorascriptpilled

nice

Aquire cash and make others happy because it feels better than anything else to do both. Create a beautiful reality around you, then create a family and let others bask within the earthly heaven you bought them into

not necessarily scripted. Yea Forums isn't the fastest board so it's possible

Get ready to be called a pseud. People can't stand anyone pointing out that Nietzsche isn't actually the "no rules" anarchist champion of the underdogs of the modern social order that the postmodernists told them he was.

BASED get and the cleansing light this board needs
>reminder that the only Christian died on the cross

that awkward moment when "american pop philosophy" was more correct than Nietzsche

>Systematic falsification of great human beings, the great creators, the great epochs:
one desires that faith should be the distinguishing mark of the great: but slackness, skepticism, "immorality," the right to throw off a faith, belong to greatness (Caesar, also Homer, Aristophanes, Leonardo, Goethe). One always suppresses the main thing, their "freedom of will"—Will to Power, Book Two: 380 (transl. Kaufmann)
He kind of was, but not in the way that you mean.

>Systematic falsification of great human beings, the great creators, the great epochs: one desires that faith should be the distinguishing mark of the great: but slackness, skepticism, "immorality," the right to throw off a faith, belong to greatness (Caesar, also Homer, Aristophanes, Leonardo, Goethe). One always suppresses the main thing, their "freedom of will"—Will to Power, Book Two: 380 (transl. Kaufmann)
He kind of was, but not in the way that you mean.

He was for his time, but not for the modern social order. The postmodernists, neo-Christians, anarchists, and also the Marxists and communists, like to misappropriate him on this, because they come from a position of desperation.

fuck nihilists
fuck misanthropes
fuck anti-natalists
fuck atheists
fuck pessimists

oh peculiar

>fuck pessimists
t. optimistc retard

Not sure exactly what you mean by all that. Perhaps you've just watched too much Kermit Memerson and throw around some meme labels.

Died and was REBORN. God is dying in this world but the Judgement Day will come

Based and redpilled. Satan is the prince of this world right now, but he'll be cast down to the lake of fire.

>Not sure exactly what you mean by all that.
Read more then.

Ok, this is based

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Funny how you left out how the fact that the actual Nazis LITERALLY misappropriated his ideas. But it's not cool when your boogeymen allegedly do it.

I think this is the closest to a clearly stated "solution" to nihilism you'll find in Nietzsche. WTP section 585 A

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>wasting these digits on a reddit tier reply

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His solution was a final one.

Nazis =/= Hitler. Hitler didn't misappropriate his ideas.

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Nice strawman.

Do you know what a strawman is? I'm telling you that Hitler, the man BEHIND the Nazis, the ACTUAL Nazi, didn't misappropriate his ideas. Or can you tell me how he did? Do you even have an idea as to what Hitler himself thought? There's a difference between the thinking Hitler and the speaking Hitler. Being a successful leader requires putting on a show.

Holy
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Based hex's of mega truth

They are kinda apolyniac

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the chemo saving Yea Forums

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I literally never mentioned Hitler. I said the Nazis. If you say the Nazis didn't misappropiate his ideas because Hitler didn't do it then your boogeymen ("postmodernists", neo-Christians, anarchists, Marxists and communists), with an even bigger reason also didn't misappropiate his ideas. You can't have it both ways: you either give some ground and admit that the Nazis also misappropiated his ideas or youd admit that you were wrong and nobody misappropiate his ideas.

I'd presume you're biased and don't care about logic but I want to see what you have to say in your defence.

this kills the christcuck

The Nazis (i.e. Hitler) didn't misappropriate his ideas, and that would have been learned in due time, had they won the war.

why god, why have you abandoned us?

The point is that Hitler was not the only Nazi. And if group needs that only their leader misappropiates ideas from someone then your boogeymen didn't misappropiate anything (your so-called "postmodernists" exist only in your mind, much less have a leader). Also make up your fucking mind. First you say "Nazis =/= Hitler." () and then you say "The Nazis (i.e. Hitler)" (). You change this view according to what fits your argument at the time. Just admit you sympathize with the Nazis.

Just make your own dogmas and sheet lmao

>This whole "create your own values" is american pop philosophy
it comes from sartre

Nietzsche's "solution" of creating your own values is still meaningless if you cannot transcend a supposedly meaningless world. So true meaning must come from elsewhere. The only true solution is to identify with God and be at peace, all other things are merely temporary tricks. Practicing Nietzschean philosophy in the form of strengthening your ego and dividing yourself against the rest of the world will only harm you, which is why nearly all of his disciples are basically crazy retards for various reasons.

Precog-posting and hexes? Unutterably based.
The content of such a post automatically and retrospectively becomes true.

You misunderstood user, he was arguing that sluts on the street are not nihilistic, rather they're naively dionysian. Think of the average travelthot/festivalthot:
She's actually still full of youthful vitality and always ready to enjoy herself at the expenses of conventional morality, financial restraints and worries about the future. This is no master morality, but still closer to it (and to the Dionysian) than any intellectual trend (a kind of trend Nietzsche warned us about) right now.

But that pop philosophy is cucked, "create your own values" in that mindset actually means "pursue what youe enjoy within the confines of the mainstream American bourgeois morality".

Nietzsche didn't think highly of women, much less street whores, even less to admire them.

See

you'd have to be a complete fucking moron to believe this. the dionysian life is one of theurgy, not of stupid sluts with zero concept of god

Appropriation isn't about what you believe in your heart of heart, it's about the discourse you and behavior you uphold in public. If you're using mock-nietzschean phrasing you're appropriating Nietzsche, regardless of what you actually think about him.

*dyonisiac

Just reproduce capital bro. You now got objective measure of your life´s success.

Dude, what the fuck is your point?

>You change this view according to what fits your argument at the time.
My view didn't change, only the wording of it, because you don't get it and are nitpicking over inane shit not even related to what I'm saying. What I meant by my original distinction was that "the Nazis" is a strawman created by the press / media and what they were really doing wasn't a misappropriation of his ideas at all, but the closest anyone's ever gotten to trying to realize his ideas in a manageable political system.

What do you think they were doing and which of his ideas do you think they were misappropriating? I'm sure your answer to these questions will confirm what I just asserted above. It's already been said what was misappropriated of him from the rest, but you haven't said this at all for the Nazis.

Nobody is talking about admiration here, and to think Nietzsche would value street whores below other women displays a rather non-nietzschean outlook.
He also wrote almost word for word that in due time women could come to be able to do almost anything a man can do.

he's saying that since everything is an emanation of God, everything is god, and therefore your ability to dominate the world is the true measure of your godliness, which is wrong. it is actually your identification and nothing more

You clearly haven't read enough Nietzsche. When talking about anti-semites he said he found their anti-semitism and their resentfulness stupid, but that if they were doing it merely to get the Jews' wealth for themselves, then it was merely common greed, something he could actually respect (iirc he says that in Genealogy of Morals). Having "zero concept of god" or following base instincts wasn't necessarily a bad thing in his book, though it wasn't necessarily the best.

The dionysian life has little to do with theurgy in the neoplatonic sense. It's a particular form of exertion of will, it's less about belief and knowledge and more about vitality and relationship to impulses. Less thinking can actually do you good according to Nietzsche's view.

You haven't understood Nietzsche until you've understood that meaninglessness itself is a value that is being posited. Nihilism is a psychological condition.

>What I meant by my original distinction was that "the Nazis" is a strawman created by the press / media and what they were really doing wasn't a misappropriation of his ideas at all, but the closest anyone's ever gotten to trying to realize his ideas in a manageable political system.
The Nazis were pretty much real (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) and Hitler wasn't the only one. Are you seriously arguing that the Nazis were a "strawman created by the press / media" but your "postmodernists" are absolutely real? You're beyond delusional. Also, Nietzsche's sister (who was a member of the literal Nazi Party) perverted his posthumous publications in order so they could fit Nazism, and then many other Nazis had incorrectly followed such views by the time she died. They LITERALLY misappropiated Nietzsche in the most fundamental way possible.

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Being immune to nihilism also means you didn't overcome it. Sluts are kind of disqualified here.

Not him but
>mistaking the "splendid blond beast" for the aryan when it's actually the man living according to master morality
>confusing military power and training with exertion of strength in the Nietzschean sense (cf. Thus Spake Zarathustra "I see a lot of soldiers, but not many warriors")
>asserting the legitimacy of the state in possessing peoples, bodies and minds (Nietzsche: "Everything the State possess, it has stolen")
>confusing obedience to a bureaucratic state apparatus to a return to the primeval and natural (Nietzche: "The State is the coldest of cold mosnters")
>building an entire campaign (and then racial policy) on resent, and calling that affirmation when Nietzsche singled out resent as the epitome of negative (as opposed to assertive) Will to Power
>grounding their regimen on populism, industrialization, and the satisfaction of economical needs (the "socialistic" part of National-Socialism) when Nietzsche was distrustful of the masses
>exalting Germany above all other nations when Nietzsche abundantly mocked the "Deutshland über Alles" mentality (see for instance Generalogy of Morals where he uses that very sentence derisively)
>mistaking the planners-bureacrats of the Nazi regime for the new aristocracy, when Nietzsche's conception of aristocracy was much closer to the French moralist of the XVIIth century

It goes on and on. All the above is either misappropriation of Nietzsche or blatantly contradictory with his thought (and a lot of it is more Heideggerian is a loose sense). The very ideas of "realizing his ideas in a manageable political system" runs counter to the fundamental impulse of Nietzsche's philosophy. If the Nazis had raped his corpse they would not have done much worse.
There is no real philosophical basis for Nazism, at best it's a mix of cherry-picked and badly used nietzscheism plus bogged down heideggerianism plus misunderstood Fichte and a quite a few borrowings from Mussolini.

They're out of the philosophical race but also better for it.

Hail Odin

Yeah maybe in terms of personal happiness but regardless, Nietzsche's philosophy doesn't apply to them.

>being a street whore is happiness
okay lads, enough Yea Forums for me.

>Are you seriously arguing that the Nazis were a "strawman created by the press / media" but your "postmodernists" are absolutely real?
Yeah, because we actually have the writings of those people to confirm they were full of shit. Have you read Derrida, Lyotard, Baudrillard, Rorty? Or Marxists like Benjamin and Adorno, who were desperate to undermine Nietzsche however they could. Meanwhile, everyone talks out of their ass about the Nazis all the damn time. Like you, who didn't answer my questions.

>Also, Nietzsche's sister (who was a member of the literal Nazi Party) perverted his posthumous publications in order so they could fit Nazism, and then many other Nazis had incorrectly followed such views by the time she died.
This has long since been taken care of. You sound as if you haven't read the man yourself. He wrote, all the time, passages which coherently tie into what the Nazis were planning and doing, none of which support anything the Marxists or the postmodernists tried doing. And I hope I don't have to provide any explanation regarding how neo-Christians and anarchists (who Nietzsche explicitly states are ideologically related) misappropriate him.

absolutely unconcerned with your idea that i haven't read enough Nietzsche, I'm here to say that he's wrong in his analysis, and in the fruit that his philosophical tree has started to bear. I'm not interested in winning an argument within his framework either, I've seen for myself that there is much more to be understood

meanwhile, as far as your actual argument is concerned, even Nietzsche argued that the supposed duality of Dionysus and Apollo needs to be mediated between each other. there isn't anything wrong with having fun, but distortion whole excessive love of the Dionysian on this board in particular is just Satanism for people that are too smart for Satanism. also, meaninglessness of the world is not just a psychological thing, it is more of a metaphysical position. the only point that I'm trying to make is that Nietzsche disregarded that there is a world to be transcended, while better philosophies don't

>that entire list
Again, being a successful leader means putting on a good show for the people. Your failure to understand this is precisely why you point these things out as somehow an indication that they (as in Hitler, their head) were misappropriating Nietzsche. If you wanted to show that they were you'd have to point to what their long term plans were, not their propaganda during wartime. You could focus on such details for men like Borgia and Napoleon, who Nietzsche highly esteemed, and make the same case that they were contradictory to what Nietzsche thought, which should tell you that the process by which you're going about this is wrong.

>can you describe the Dionysian state?

BASTE
Heill Óðinn

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Sluts aren't immune to nihilism, their whoring is probably even a consequence of it. How would being dumb allow someone to exemplify his philosophy? Nietzsche was a huge advocate of reflection and actual thinking. "Retarded" people who never think are 'programmed' by their culture to think and act in ways that are only injurious to them.

allah just wanted his will known

I just reread that section, there are no pantheistic undertones.

That still makes atheism a poison.

>repeating numbers on a toilet-bowl yodeling Eritrean forum kills "the Christcuck" boogeyman I've created for myself

It's pixels on a screen, nigga.

Aaaaand the special ed kids of religion have joined the thread

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>It's pixels on a screen, nigga.
is not the whole universe the xpression of godx himselfx?

Did the worm on the apple come from the tree?

as the expert on the tree, you should tell me

its impossible to be a living human and not give a shit about anything. even if it is your own survival that still branches off to other things that constitute survival apart from mere substinence living. you probably actually love your parents and friends and just need to know what its like to be away from them and have no way of contacting them to really appreciate it.

give more, expect less. youre not special youre down here in the dirt with the rest of us and thats okay.

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its afraid

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Well, you're still alive so you obviously care about yourself. Take responsibility for yourself and correct the things in your life you can correct to better yourself. Just starting with this will drastically improve your quality of life. Otherwise you'll spiral into anxiety and depression simply because your lazy and don't gaf.

It certainly does, Nietzsche's philosophy is about not restricting yourself to rationality.
Not happiness, dyonisian life (happiness is for cucks from a Nietzschean perspective).
>which coherently tie into what the Nazis were planning and doing, none of which support anything the Marxists or the postmodernists tried doing.

You'll need a wealth of citations on that. The philosophical heirs of Nietzsche are the "postmodernists" (among others), while the Nazis are the philosophical heirs of nobody. And why do you even mention Adorno? He's a post-Hegelian, he's answering to Hegel and Marx and the greater project of the Enlightenment, not to Nietzsche. He's completely irrelevant here.

We're in a Nietzsche thread, obviously when we're talking about the Dionysian it's implicit that we're using Nietzsche's concept of it. You want to argue that it's a misrepresentation of the actual Dionysian, but it has no bearing on the question of whether the average prole/whore in the street live in way that can be considered in accordance with Nietzsche's philosophy.

>there isn't anything wrong with having fun, but distortion whole excessive love of the Dionysian on this board
Dionysian is about more than having fun, though it can include that in some respect. And this board hasn't been very Dionysian lately, it's evenly split between nihilistic degenerates and stuck up puritains.

And, again, it doesn't matter what the real intentions of the leader are. If you're building an entire propaganda on a misreading of a philosopher, you're misappropriating his ideas, even if you're doing it consciously and with ulterior motives.

>Your failure to understand this
I understand it easily, the problem is you not understanding that it is irrelevant.

> somehow an indication that they were misappropriating
It's not an "indication", it's a textbook example of misappropriation. For the third time, intentions here don't matter. If you steal from someone you've robbed them, having done so with a good purpose in mind doesn't make it any less of a robbery.

> If you wanted to show that they were you'd have to point to what their long term plans were
I showed you their actual policy. Not only the propaganda, but what they implemented once in power. And their long-term plans mostly involved ethnic replacement of most of Europe with people of Germanic origin, with supposedly some form of racial 'aristocracy" on top. So that's ethno-imperialism if you will, something Nietzsche spoke derisively about, particularly concerning Germans.

>that they were contradictory to what Nietzsche thought
None of them claimed to use Nietzsche's ideas, and for Napoleon NIetzsche explicitly said he was a mix of master and slave morality. Your thinking is very imprecise here.

Nietzsche would sometimes speak of consciousness with contempt. If he was an advocate of anything it wasn't reflexion (at best "rumination" as he puts it).

This is you, kike

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"Nietzsche would sometimes speak of consciousness with contempt. If he was an advocate of anything it wasn't reflexion (at best "rumination" as he puts it)."

From The Gay Science:

Architecture for Thinkers. An insight is needed (and that probably very soon) as to what is specially lacking in our great cities - namely, quiet, spacious, and widely extended places for reflection, places with long, lofty colonnades for bad weather, or for too sunny days, where no noise of wagons or of shouters would penetrate, and where a more refined propriety would prohibit loud praying even to the priest: buildings and situations which as a whole would express the sublimity of self-communion and seclusion from the world. The time is past when the Church possessed the monopoly of reflection, when the vita contemplativa had always in the first place to be the vita religiosa: and everything that the Church has built expresses this thought. I know not how we could content ourselves with their structures, even if they should be divested of their ecclesiastical purposes: these structures speak a far too pathetic and too biassed speech, as houses of God and places of splendour for supernatural intercourse, for us godless ones to be able to think our thoughts in them. We want to have ourselves translated into stone and plant, we want to go for a walk in ourselves when we wander in these halls and gardens.

I don't think Nietzsche views anything as black and white -- there are benefits and costs associated with thinking, but he definitely wasn't an advocate against reflection.

I stand corrected then, though it looks more like something he'd want for himself and other like-minded than something he advocates in general.
You are very much right about him not thinking in black and white (though thinking in shades of gray is even more anathema to him).

>he definitely wasn't an advocate against reflection
Perhaps consciousness of self-consciousness is a better term. He was very critical of the tendency to put rationality and reflexion above others aspects of life, and he often associated the unhealthiness of the modern age with an emphasis on abstract thought.

But perhaps that's another example of his opposing leisurely, aristocratic practices with tryhard endeavours, "rumination and reflection" rather than "mental laboring'

Wowza,

Use the force of your will to love your fate and become angelic (trancscend the condition of being human).

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If you did not hear the call to act Nietzsche... it only was not meant for you.

Checked and Based

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>but what was his solution?

Edgy variation of the buddhist preaching, basically religion again.

based

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Amen

>The philosophical heirs of Nietzsche are the "postmodernists" (among others), while the Nazis are the philosophical heirs of nobody.
Hitler was in the process of creating a united Europe that would be structurally built from the ground up to systematically combat all forms of racial / ideological homogeneity, exactly what Nietzsche sought (race and ideology being one and the same for him). The Nazis were only exterminating the more rambunctious Jews and were preparing to export the rest of them outside of the country to another place that they would control, and after that was done, they planned to move on and do the same to the Muslims, and then much later the Christians and further and further every possible ideological race one could make distinct. Every other narrative was fabricated by the media, mostly by the English and the aforementioned Jews during wartime.

The postmodernists, meanwhile, ran with their partial understanding of Nietzsche's "there are no facts, only interpretations." It's common among the postmodernists to address matters of society, morality, language, meaning, art, etc.—everything previously analyzed as having an "objective" structure underpinning its effects which must be discovered and theorized—as if there IS NO structure at all. But this is not what Nietzsche meant by that statement; rather, that there IS a structure, and that structure is not limited by the "subject vs. object" formulation which had stemmed from the Christian scientists and scholars. Quantum science adheres to this structure that he saw, and is in the process of theorizing it. The postmodernists didn't fully understand Nietzsche and thought he meant that their imagination was allowed to run wild because the universe is as malleable as their imagination, and we see that they thought precisely that based on what they wrote, and what their successors ended up writing, who now fill up the universities with their art criticism and historical revision that is so debased even random people on the street can see that they are full of shit.

>And, again, it doesn't matter what the real intentions of the leader are. If you're building an entire propaganda on a misreading of a philosopher, you're misappropriating his ideas, even if you're doing it consciously and with ulterior motives.
It 100% matters what the real intentions are because that's the only way you're going to understand what it is they're building. The propaganda is not representing what is being built, it's merely a means—something which Nietzsche was fine with considering he admired Machiavelli's politics and Napoleon's militarism. Do you not understand what it takes to create something? Nietzsche understood it quite well. Creation requires SACRIFICE and it even requires DESTRUCTION AND MALEVOLENCE (see Zarathustra's The Night Song). The sun gives life to all; it also annihilates everything too close to it.

baste

find your true will in life

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this, follow your own path, have the ambition as your greatest ally agaisnt mediocrity

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basically this

thelemapedia.org/index.php/True_Will#True_Will

this, meta-religion as the human singularity

Hail!

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>Buddhism without the denial of life which is a fundament of Buddhism
Ok retard

eternal recurrence

Realistically nothing actually has value/meaning when you strip it down by asking "why" more than 2-3 times
Everything is a distraction from existential dread and religion was at least able to defer to God when a "why" coudn't be answered
Secular sources of "meaning" (the state, family, money) don't mean anything when you ask why they have meaning at all

>There is no call to action in Nietzsches work
The best we have are some suggestions. We need more Dionysus in our lives, and power is happiness. He idolized Napoleon and Goethe for a reason.

Go insane, try to write, go insane more. Die insane. Spread your insanity to many others after your death through your writing. Prevent many souls and soulless alike from being reincarnated under the mere influence of the mutations of your madness. It was my pleasure, demiurge. Accelerate.

For me, it's sneedposting on Yea Forums.

>guy had multiple strokes
>he went insane because of his philosophy!

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über

Ok, Christians have now been prophecized to make a giant orgy - mark my words.

Didn't you know that's what heaven is? I'm not going there, cause I only want to fuck Nietzsche.

fuck, this guy's good.

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