Is Zizek right? Can only communism stop climate change?

Reminder that the """people""" responsible for destruction will be the only few allowed to escape when everything collapses

What this got to do with anything? I'm talking about executive power, not democracy.

No. Nothing can stop climate change. Coordination problems of this scale are unsolvable even on paper.

the whole legitimacy of the executive power in the west IS democracy. yes, you can play around with it a bit and meme people to believe they are in power when they are not, but you are not going to make them eat literal maggots, specially when you are losing legitimacy

you can build a new executive power on top of something different to democracy, but i don't see it happening in the west in a moment when fragmentation is exploding and control of the internet is so ineffective

Yes, so we need to tell democracy to fuck off. That was the initial posters entire point.

huh? who's talking about eating maggots? Outlawing meat consumption would cut co2 emissions drastically AND increase food production by (i think) 20%. People would eat vegetables, mushrooms, beyond meat burgers. This would lead to a healthier population and better environment.
>the whole legitimacy of the executive power in the west IS democracy.
I'm not necessarily pro-democracy, but I think it could be achievable within a democratic system

>vegan fascist hiding behind a mask of environmental concern

To the camps you go

and around what are you going to build the legitimacy of the new executive power if not democracy? the love of the people for the technocratic elite when they are more delegitimized than ever? build a new narrative now that the media is more ineffective than ever? find a new elite? where?
nobody is going to turn vegetarian while the elite is flying around in private jets, buying islands, and the consensus-building media is deligitimized
>who's talking about eating maggots?
pic related and plenty of articles flying around about it

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>pic related and plenty of articles flying around about it
I mean in this conversation. You know most vegetarians aren't bug-eaters?

Fuck legitimacy

The elite don't want to solve climate change, you retards.
If you think the elite are somehow on the same side as Liberal vegan students you've drank the bourgeoisie koolaid

Yes. Capitalism is based on profit. Profit. Profit. Capitalism is not a system managed by humans. It has it's own dynamic. A will of it's own. Destroying the Rainforest makes more profit.
In communism, people would tend to be more reasonable, even if it means restraining our immediate wishes, like eating less meat (Rainforest is destroyed for meat production).

Ecofascism tend to connect with anarcho-primitivism.
When you really want to exist the system, extreme left and extrem right are in accordance.

I wonder what he thinks about Eva

Capitlism elite want to sell you green Capitalism. How to make money, even more money, by selling you stuff, supposedly non destructive of environment, but in reality, still destructive.
In superior commnism, of course we will destroy nature, but less, since there will not be profit based production anymore. So rational decision will be able to be taken.

Better yet, how do you think he thinks she comes?

exclusively from anal fisting

Forests regrow. In fact, ash is an excellent fertilizer. It's hard to believe all that burned territory will be incorporated into agriculture or animal farms. The earth has stupendous powers of regeneration. It will kill us before we kill it.

It´s beyond obvious at this point. Altough I´m not sure if I wouldn´t prefer collapse instead, some vectors of technological development (AI/neurolink/bionics/surveilence) scare the shit out of me. The problem is however that in the west we could no longer muster a truly revolutionary power.

The leftists are almost all impotent hippies who think they could just dress up as morons, show on a square do a silly dance and boom something happens. They were memed by American civil rights movements into believing the important issues can be dealt through nonviolent struggle (since what´s more important than racism and homophobia, amirite?).

Right winger on the other hand are almost all neoliberal prostitutes who think that capitalists have rightfully earned their wealth through personal excellence and any struggle against capitalism is a jealous struggle against excellence. If they happen to think capitalism has any flaws it´s because some nasty witch has cursed it and if we burn the witch everything will be great again.

Not really. It´s reaching the point where the whole ecosystem could become a savanna.

see anons apt remark

Exit means that these elites will still find a way to fuck us all up. They will go to Singapore , New Zealand or some other island state. We are going to have to kill them all and completely restructure our governments in an authoritarian manner, fascist, communist these are old labels of 20th century, it doesn't matter what it will be as long as globalism gets taken down violently.

>globalism gets taken down violently.
In order to tackle global problem, we need globalism. What happens if niggers or pajeets start burning and consuming at greater level than we ever did? We need something to enforce our will onto them.

When I say kill all the Wall street bankers and capitalist globalist parasites in cold blood in an armed insurrection in a civil war scenario, where we go to their homes and kill them, I mean this in the game of Minecraft (2011) of course.

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We already know who you are, Dave. Drop the farce.

Minecraft came out in 2009. Nice try, dangerous element.

That's why I said authoritarian state, basically cameralism , new European empire, fuck globo-homo neo-lib democracy its how we got loaded by this nwo parasites in the first place. We need nazbolism and technocratic management. We will take down the chinks and the pajeets, they are nothing without us.

IMPERIVM or bust

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you need either legitimacy or power, the elite has neither, their power depends on their legitimacy, which they are losing

lmao commies will magically stop liking steak

if there's something we have to recognize is that commies allowed for the fast industrialization of Russia and China, not sure where this meme of commies being basically hippies came from, but it's just a meme

both ecofascism and anarcho-primitivism are nothing more than liberal bourgeois fevered dreams

>globalism gets taken down violently.
but that's globalist thinking, you think there's some global unity that will destroy globalism, but that's just your brain being infected by globalism so that the only way you can think out of globalism is still basically globalism

you don't have to destroy globalism all at once, if enough fragments break apart it will crumble down by itself, we are already getting to a point where it's getting more and more impossible to sell """democracy export wars""" to the american public, if this continues and we get to a point where american elites lose the power to """democratize""" rogue countries it may all fall down pretty quickly

they are already living in your brain, if you kill them you'll just replace them

>technocratic
I´d prefer something more romantic and less efficient. After all utilitarianism is what got us into this mess.

>We will take down the chinks and the pajeets, they are nothing without us.
This arrogance is another reason why I don´t trust the righties. They think that contemponary arrangement of power is just a manifestation of perenial superiority of white man or whatever and that rise of third world is just circus of monkeys trained by the west that will collapse without the principal. Reality is that these people have immense manpower and their military might would soon match our own.

>control f
"nuclear"
No hits.
>control f
"communism"
Aha.

>guys guys it's an impending catastrophe and it just so happens that the only solution is the exact thing I wanted to impose on you all along, what a coincidence!!!! SNIFF

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Nuclear Communism?

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at this point zizek is just a normie globalist, inb4 he writes an article about Greta lmao

Posadist?

Which is why we need a new elite, a new aristocracy.

No we can't have nuclear power user the fossil fuel industry made propaganda in the 60's about it being bad.

Killing third world niggers is the solution to the demographic problem

Daily reminder nazi Germany was the greenest country ever
Daily reminder communism only Destroys the environment see aral sea

Totally underated post by both the LGBTs and the cuckservatives. As usual.
>AI/neurolink/bionics/surveilence
Those could enslave us till the end of time, or free us.
I tend to think they'll free us. The effects they'll have on us won't be that of a centralized oppressive power, but more likely more fragmentation of society E.G: people not talking in real life anymore, but only in VR.

Yeah sure. You i guess?

Mein gott. Such ideology
>E.G: people not talking in real life anymore, but only in VR.
>Reality where rules of nature are replaced by arbitary rules of sim-admin, who is literal god
>Free us

a new aristocracy is only going to appear through exit and fragmentation, normie liberalism is too corrupt for anybody to raise above the filth while working within it

>Those could enslave us till the end of time, or free us.
free us from whom? to do what?

Daily reminder that Communism crushed Nazism.
Daily reminder that Nazism didn´t present an alternative to capitalism, only perpetual suicidal war

> Can only communism stop climate change?
Yes. Only a fake and gay ideology can stop a fake news sky-is-falling mass hysteria.

Where's the communists now if they were so great?

They are sitting in Beijing being the biggest polluters on earth.

Communism didn't crush nazism. The USSR and the capitalist allies crushed it. Communism has never existed.

But of course these pencil-necked incels think that *they* will be the sim-admins and finally get to torment chads and beckys.

The Internet, in general, has been a great enabler for the crazy and maladjusted.

Zizek is pro nuclear

Decentralized network means information without censorship.
AI could take over production, without the need of a market.

Sometime, reddit spacing is good it seems. Once sentence is not necessarily linked to the previous one. Of course fragmentation isn't something desirable. Isn't the actual internet already doing this?

>Decentralized network means information without censorship.
>Decentralized
Last time I checked internet was a vector of centralization.

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Check Zeronet.

Not gonna work. Decentralization via internet always was just a wishful thinking of tech savvy liberals.

"""Communism""" with Chinese Characteristics as it is now is literally just Capital larping as Communism.

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reminder this shit is absurdly overblown because Bolsonaro is a monster lizard from Mars sent by the imperialist USA to destroy freedom and the minorities in Brazil. It's like the Amazon forest only started burning when Bolsonaro got into the presidency in 2018.
Look at the graph in pic related, a comparison of the number of fires throughout the amazon forest between January to August through the years. It's barely above the average from the last 15 years.
Not to mention the former government was absolutely inefficient and corrupt regarding regulation and control. We need to wait for the next 3 years to really see the effect of this new government on it.

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Oh look Zizek being a brainlet and buying a fucking constructed narrative wholesale. Leftist """philosophers""" sure are something.

i knew this would be the case. bits of woodland go on fire in hot countries. it's completely normal.

obviously global warming is real but the media storm over that is bullshit

Yeah I figured this was the case.

lol, Zizek parroting the fake globalist party line, why am i not surprised, soon he will start writing articles about Greta like he did about the CIA psyops Pussy Riot

Yes, he is. Communist revolution is the only pragmatic solution to global warming and pollution caused by the rich elite. It won't happen though, since political discourse (just like this thread) is filled with naysayers and idealists.

Why would fossil fuel workers vote to sabotage their jobs? Why are unions so anti climate change regulation?

people that have nothing in common won't magically unite

>It's like the Amazon forest only started burning when Bolsonaro got into the presidency in 2018.
More like he´s pushing against preservation and it is bearing results, plus the deforastation is reaching levels of irreversible damage. If the Brazilians are allowed to continue with this, things will only get worse.

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Proles will just burn even more forests and even more fossil fuels, imagine thinking this is a good idea.

>If the Brazilians are allowed
shouldn't other countries start demolishing infrastructure and planting forests rather than telling Brazil what to do? just an idea

i mean in their own territory, not in Brazil

I´ll say that telling Brazil what to do would be more efficient at preserving the amazonian rainforest.

Yeah it's like the poor people of the global south are more interested in farmland than soothing American shitlib tempers. Raze new York and Los Angeles and plant forests there, then we can talk.

more like bashing brazil for this will give other cunts leverage in negotiations and also the faggot in france will say shit like "international amazon".

Yeah we gotta educate those dumb savages, I agree.

>Raze new York and Los Angeles and plant forests there, then we can talk.
I´m perfectly ok with erasing americans of both the southern and northern kind.

However preventing damage is more crucial than restoration. Tree burns few hours, but it takes years to grow.

>the faggot in france will say shit like "international amazon".
Even grannyshagging, niggerhugging banker can be right once in an election cycle.

I thought these forest fires were just caused by tribesmen poorly performing rituals involving fire.. is this not a valid explanation?

Nobody cares what you're fine with, you're some random faggot fantasizing about killing hundreds of millions of people to save a forest because your magazines tell you it's important, you're a fucking joke.

well he and anyone who agrees with him can stick that good idea up their globalist asses

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There´s a lot of faggots like me. Enough to enact international pressure on these forestburning macacos.

>rainforest has fires every single year
>morons only decided to care this year to try to blame Brazilian Trump
lol leftshits.

good luck with the pressure.

thx

No. Socialist states are much worse at the environment.

A digression but maybe you can satisfy my curiosity. How come every chink I see in London since 2012 seems to be a trust fund kid in expensive designer clothing, who can barely speak english BUT somehow are in top universities?

What happened to all the super-smart ones that I used to see in school back in the days?

They operated under different paradigma. One that put primacy on martial power and hence industry and they were pretty damn succesful at that. Liberalism works when you don´t know what you want and sucks when you have a goal, planned economy has it the other way.

it's literally called capitalism with asian characteristics, what did you expect

he literally says this in the article you mong

You're literally repeating Zizek's point for him: one can say "do this" or "do that" but the complicated part is how, precisely, do we actually do this as it requires global coordination in a society that's fragmented along the lines of nation-states? This is what Zizek asks at the end of the article, whether this doesn't point out to the dissolution of the sovereign nation in favour of transnational, hyper-centralized authorities. He tries to link it to communism, but it's weak: there's nothing inherently communist about centralization, as seen by the capitalist centralization of the last 100 years or even the political centralization (to an extent) in the EU.

he is explicit that his idea of communism relates to the regulation of the "commons"

Because unions aren't communist by default? First world unions are almost reactionary in today's context, we don't live in the early 20th century anymore, the real proletariat isn't overwhelmingly in union work (which is more of a privilege) and let's not start talking about the bureaucratic coalition between union "leadership" and the bourgeois state.

Unions in its present form, almost all across the world and across most industries, exist to PRESERVE the status of the wage laborer. Communism is about destroying it, along with the system which necessitates it. If an union can't go along down with, Communists should violently suppress it and murder anyone who complains.

People seem to think that when communism was powerful it was owed to unions, rather than multi-national organisms like the IWA, parties like the late 19th century SPD and political organizations like soviets. Unions aren't worth shit unless they have adequate political leadership and uncompromising discipline.

It's not "his" idea of communism, communism has been about the commons since Babeuf or earlier. But merely parroting the phrase doesn't give anything more than an empty abstraction - how is the relationship between the political, economic structures of society and the commons expressed today? How can it be changed? This is what matters. Zizek is a philosopher, not a Bebel or a Lenin, you can't expect him to be able to answer these things.

man the right's praxis is embarrassing

Commie revolution won't solve environmental issues at all. communism is grounded on anthropocentrism thus anti-environment per default.
Commies care more about muh precious human life because they shared the same fetishization for human life humanity and all those spooks as your average Christian and humanist.

If that was the case, then there´s nothing left for us.

>Capital larping as Communism.

So just regular Communism?

>pragmatic solution to global warming and pollution caused by the rich elite

Ah yes, it's purely the 1% causing 100% of all pollution, it's not like the pollution is caused by the actual production of things or anything, their existence just creates it and when they are gone we won't need to make or eat anything anymore.

of course it's more efficient for you: you have to make no sacrifice, you get to yell at southern retards and you get you feel good about yourself while doing it

they were progressive fires when Lula was in power, now they are reactionary fires, totally different

>This is what Zizek asks at the end of the article, whether this doesn't point out to the dissolution of the sovereign nation in favour of transnational, hyper-centralized authorities
and what legitimacy would that authority have on the face of the world? or if it doesn't have legitimacy, with what power are they going to force people to force them to follow whatever they decide?

if you don't have a consensus to solve global warming you don't have a consensus to form a global government either

maybe not for you

Climate change is just a bad science. You can guess it simply by scratching your head at why most of the Wikipedia articles on it are literally long lists of organizations that support it (instead of the discussion of models and theories, as one would naively expect).

There is a great old series of really thoughtful notes on that:
shkrobius.livejournal.com/tag/warming

Don't miss all the other stuff from sites.google.com/site/shkrobius/table-of-lj-contents

>Is Zizek right?
FUCK OFF

JUST FUCK OFFF

FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFF

PETERSON
ZIZEK AND CHOMSKY
FUCK FUCKING FUCK YOU

Marx in the Critique of the Gotha program said that man wasn't the master of nature. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_du_programme_de_Gotha

>of course it's more efficient for you: you have to make no sacrifice
Efficiency means that it´s the only way how to influence their behaviour. I´ll gladly pay the sacrifice of more expensive meat for that matter.

Also fuck liberals and this "personal responsibility" thing, second gayest political phenomenom after "peaceful resistance".

it's not about personal responsibility, it's about liberal countries that have long industrialized their countries and removed their biomass to make space for infrastructure bullying third world shitholes that are too right wing for trying to do the same

it's the same mentality the that brought us global warming in the first place: the thought that nature can be seen as pure resources that can be exploited or legislated wherever they are in the world, when it's convenient for us. the thought that the fucking EU should have any say about what Brazil does in their national territory

And? What other option is there than the good old European imperialism? Freeing Lula? Let them do their thing and wait until they fall into Malthusian trap while damning the forests to Savanification?

I'm going to taste my beef or you're going to taste my lead. Molon Labe.

>And? What other option is there than the good old European imperialism?
lol, the fact that you think this is even an option is laughable? who's going to go to Brazil to fight for Macron? the rural yellow jackets that hate his guts? the söyboys from Paris who have never seen a gun? or the algerians who have their own civilizational narrative to follow?

Economic pressure. Considering there´s a possibility that the mutts won´t elect the same neoliberal clown again I believe there´s hope.

No, lowering consumption will. Both capitalism and communism always work to increase consumption. Capitalism is just better at wealth creation and communism in wealth distribution (but when there's more wealth to distribute the "have nots" still get more)
Nobody wants to cut their life standard in half, rich and poor people alike.
We live in a fermi paradox.

This post has powerful boomer energy

Man I wish that photo was real. I reckon Slavoj would have a field day analysing Evangelion.

Getting really sick of these lying commie fuckers

m.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iOOuZCE_Y

>Willie Soon
Getting really sick of these soulless bugmen who think their paper with 32 citations has more credibility than IPCC reports.