>My depression was always tied up with the conviction that I was literally good for nothing. I spent most of my life up to the age of thirty believing that I would never work. I felt that I didn’t really belong – in postgraduate study, because I was a dilettante who had somehow faked his way through, not a proper scholar; in unemployment, because I wasn’t really unemployed, like those who were honestly seeking work, but a shirker; and in temporary jobs, because I felt I was performing incompetently, and in any case I didn’t really belong in these office or factory jobs, not because I was ‘too good’ for them, but – very much to the contrary – because I was over-educated and useless, taking the job of someone who needed and deserved it more than I did.
>Even when I was on a psychiatric ward, I felt I was not really depressed – I was only simulating the condition in order to avoid work, or in the infernally paradoxical logic of depression, I was simulating it in order to conceal the fact that I was not capable of working, and that there was no place at all for me in society.
Hahaha long term strategy means nothing to these people
Anthony Turner
I tried to like Fisher but he's just blandly rehashing older thinkers and applying it to his limited anglo media
Easton Martin
> I was only simulating the condition in order to avoid work, or in the infernally paradoxical logic of depression, I was simulating it in order to conceal the fact that I was not capable of working
Dylan Butler
These people are so fucking retarded, goddamn
Ayden Clark
>Even when I was on a psychiatric ward, I FELT I was not really depressed – I was only simulating the condition in order to avoid work, or in the infernally paradoxical logic of depression, I was simulating it in order to conceal the fact that I was not capable of working, and that there was no place at all for me in society. emphasis mine, this is a common symptom of depression, read DFW (unironically)
Hunter Anderson
He's right though, he was good for nothing
Jayden Robinson
heh, just like you little man, but at least he has written something, while you, despite your self professed intellect, have done absolutely nothing of note
Aiden Long
>Hahaha long term strategy means nothing to these people
what is a demographic shift lol
Brandon James
>this is a common symptom of depression, read DFW (unironically) I disagree here
Its perceived like that for the individual but that doesnt mean its actual DSM5 depression
William Morris
I have a job and I make a lot of money, that's something he was never able to do
Instead a combination of imbalanced serotonin and a professional-failure-cope-manifesting-as-anti-capitalism ended his life
Ayden Harris
Certain parts of Notes from the Underground, but then dosto inserts that the guy actually has acquaintances, a period when some switch flips and he gets invited over to some places, and even invites a woman over, so I stopped reading - too optimistic.
Landon Anderson
The woman is a whore
Zachary Carter
He was in a psychiatric ward for depression, he was clinically diagnosed user (so was DFW)
Ian Sanders
for any of you interested, I've been reading a book recently that I think really influenced this blog post of Fisher's - David Smail's The Origins of Unhappiness, in which he argues that material social structures (capitalism) are the causes of depression and anxiety. I'm about a third of the way into it and he comes across as a very intelligent, thoughtful man.
Dominic Richardson
I know about that but he talking like in the op post makes me suspicious about it, i agree that I have not ever meat him and only read capitalist realism so its farfetched to acutally undiagnose or diagnose him but coming solely from the Statement above I would not call it depression.
John Hill
No book comes even close.
Carson Cox
He is great but I suspect him to be really just dysphoric with the way the world is
Robert Lopez
A valid take desu given it's so difficult to prove his thesis in any way. Have you read any of his other works?
Kayden Morales
based retard
Ian Hernandez
Look up depression in dsm5
Chase Nelson
Why do you think a layman's reading of the DSM-5 is more valid than the diagnosis of professionals?
Zachary Hernandez
I dont
Once again, I was only making an assumption based on statement in the OP's, which made me think that he was not depressed (this is irrelevant to his actual condition). You stated that feelings of non-belonging are common for depression, which they are not.
Aiden Powell
From the DSM-5, one of the major depressive symptoms: >Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt nearly every day.
Ryan Howard
Worthlessness is something else than feeling that he does not belong anywhere (muh special snowflake comes to mind). And to fit the criteria of depression: The individual must be experiencing five or more symptoms during the same 2-week
Landon Thomas
Imagine being the type of person who would come to this conclusion. Legitimately horrifying
Charles Rodriguez
is there anything more tedious and annoying than depressed people talking about their depression?
>Worthlessness is something else than feeling that he does not belong anywhere His feelings of not belonging are obviously tied to his hopelessness/guilt (feeling like a fraud, a shirker); read the Depressed Person by DFW, it's a great phenomenological take on how the hopelessness and guilt of depression alienates you from the people around you
Cameron Barnes
>I have a job and I make a lot of money
lmfao, imagine being this guy
Kayden Watson
you.
Noah Barnes
faggot
Aaron Perry
>His feelings of not belonging are obviously tied to his hopelessness/guilt (feeling like a fraud, a shirker) I see the connection here but can also sense a distinction as well. Havent read Depressed Person, actaully am interested now but reading Good Old Neon by DFW I suspect his depression too to be very much a decompenztation of fragile narcisstic ego so in this account DFW and fisher really struck me with similarities /and I mean no negative connotation in regards to them saying this
Austin Gray
Maybe you don't understand depression very well?
Charles Wood
It is my field of study user and literary exanimation is the fun part of it since I secretly suspect majority of "depressed" public personas to not be actually depressed
Carson Jones
not going to lie to you user that sounds really fucking cringe. have you ever suffered from depression?
Jayden Mitchell
I have not, I only feel depressed from time to time, for example after taking too much MDMA and I had parasuicidal thoughts for some years
Nothing cringe about it, depression is severly overdiagnosed which makes me angry since the real thing is devastating
Hunter Sanchez
Marginalised people are under no obligation to coddle you or accommodate you in any way. If beimg told to adhere to basic norms of human decency is enough to make you into a nazi, gee maybe you were a shitty person to begin with and we shouldn't risk having you around, specially consider the recent white supremacist/incel terror attacks. Muslims get all branded as terror suspects, but white males get sympathy and crocodile tears despite being much more of an actual threat.
Ayden Bailey
>leftist idiots are TPTB >quantitative shift is leftist Why do I leave /his/
Christian Watson
stay on /his
Gabriel Nelson
No, those can be fun. Depros are universally boring, though.
Justin Wright
Just stay the fuck away from me and my family. I mean that sincerely
As someone who has suffered from rather severe depression, their alienation stemming from guilt and feelings of worthlessness is 100% accurate to my experience
Wyatt Brooks
>the real thing is devastating Fisher and Wallace fucking killed themselves, what more do you want from their suffering?
Michael Foster
How did u go from guilt to feelings of not belonging anywhare if u dont mind me asking? And where have u felt was that u did not belong?
Jeremiah Flores
you got me there, I was being idiot for not judging things in context
Cameron Jones
I mean the most straightforward answer is that whenever someone, for instance, invited me out somewhere, I would feel guilty because I not only felt like I wasn't worth inviting anywhere, but that I was only going to serve to make their time worse. I tricked them into thinking I was worth spending time with, which means I felt like I either had to disappoint them right away by saying no, or drag their disappointment through hours of spending time with me.
Alexander Scott
jesus, that's how I feel. It generally goes like this:
>Why are they treating me well, trying to make me integrate with the rest of the group? >Isn't it obvious that I'm extremely boring? >Perhaps they got tricked by the facade I've put up >They will soon notice it was all fake. >The appearance of confidence doesn't correspond to the reality. All the funny remarks were memorized. None of the things I said are thoughts of my own or even things that i truly believe >They will notice that I'm not half as interesting the second time they see me >And that most of what I say is not true >I'm just trying to impress them >A boring virgin retard with no personality >Or... >Perhaps it was clear from the get-go >But someone felt sorry cause I was trying so hard
Eli Barnes
Why? It is obvious white guys have it too easy, and I am saying this as a white guy. Too often we use mental illness as an excuse to avoid taking real moral responsibility for our privilege. I believe people are right to see me as a potential terror threat, it is only fair
Brayden White
I'll admit you had me in the first half
Jose Jenkins
read William Styron's Darkness Visible. really relatable memoir addressing his years of depression. it usually deals with physical symptoms, not with thought circles, one thing I find DFW was so good at describing. Styron's book is good though. I've posted elsewhere - read R.D. Laing's Knots. It's an anatomy of depressive/impostor logic.
