I want to do my master in philosophy at German universities focusing on German idealism(especially Kant and Hegel). Can do any German anons or someone tell me the prominent German universities for these studies? I’ve got no problems with German language(C1).
Cheers
Heidelberg
Tübingen
LMU
Berghain
none, stop wasting your time. go into law or tech instead.
based pragmatist. people don't need yet another 500 page commentary on Heidegger or Schelling.
I have no idea, but I'll start my bachelor in philosophy at the LMU next month.
Pro:
- nice building
- they have a voluntary test to show aspiring students how the curriculum looks like
That's all I can say right now
>law
all uni degrees are worthless now due to oversaturation, might as well let OP have his fun and follow his passion
>law or tech
Having a 1/100 chance in getting a high paying job as a Lawyer is still better than having a 1/10,000 chance in getting a medium-pay job as a Philosophy professor or museum curator.
Stop being so American. Philosophy is a normal degree in Germany and France.
in Freiburg machen sie auch viel Deutschen Idealismus.
I feel sorry for you. Here in germany we dont like german philosophy anymore ESPECIALLY not in universities and ESPECIALLY not german idealism. They told us it`s what led to Hitler.
I hope you like Focault, Derrida and Butler, otherwise you wont be happy here.
If you want to know what they really took from us, read Max Scheler "Die Stellung des Menschen im Kosmos".
Dont come to Berlin. The universities here are crap (really). The only wothwhile institution in the whole city is the BdK.
IDK user, im a history major and minoring in latin and I am on the fast track to become a cia glowy real quick.
Is that the Kink.com compound?
Philosophy might not be a "strange" degree in those countries, but I don't believe most of the people who study that will actually work or live off teaching or writing about Philosophy, being more likely to be found as regular office employees.
isn't Habermas your lord
>Dont come to Berlin. The universities here are crap.
Is that the reason why most of the IT startups in Berlin are filled with Chinks, Indians and Pakis? E.g. no Wessi wants to see his son become an Ossi?
t. considering a move to Germany because I live in a bigger shithole (language skill is at least at C1)
this just is not true.
Freiburg has an explicit emphasis on German Idealism for example. I think Tübingen and Potsdam are pretty well off too.
Who told you German Idealism led to Hitler.
You are just trolling.
IT is the smart choice.
>Tübingen
Ist die Tübinger Uni für etwas anderes als für ihre altorientalische Philologie Abteilung bekannt?
>Who told you German Idealism led to Hitler.
Karl Popper
I dont know about Freiburg, I give you that.
Berlin is simply not a city to get work done. And the idea of startups goes pretty much in the opposite direction of german economic mentality.
yeah no shit dude thats how it works
>Berghain
Based and degeneratepilled
I studied philosophy in Freiburg and we did a fair bit of German Idealism but also a lot of phenomenology and Heidegger. Other than that I would suggest both of the Berlin universities and Leipzig where they teach a lot of Hegel
if you are just looking for a nice city to study you should definitely look at leipzig and göttingen too.
does he base this claim. o wait i can imagine: every system is totalitarian. what a douche
in the end you have to shut yourself in everywhere in order to get shit done. ofcourse berlin has a lot to offer but anyone who is seriously into philosophy has develope some sense of priority for books over people anyway.
when did you graduate? i left in 2015, law fag tho. my flatmade did philosophy and also graduated around that time.
Trier and Bochum house Kant-Studien and Hegel-Studien respectively.
If you think that this is the case for any other degree out there save for vocational ones, you're in for a surprise
Most don't, but does that even matter? You can study philosophy on the side while studying something else that also interests you and where you can find a job in (like chemestry for example). I pity anybody that goes to university for anything but a wish to learn.
Moved from Freiburg to Vienna in 2017. Now finishing my masters there. Freiburg is a great city and the uni is very good but it just got a little small for me there after a while
yeah, same for me. went back to düsseldorf.
vienna is the best
Did someone here study in Hamburg? I really love the city's atmosphere, but the phil department makes me wonder if I should do my M.A. there.
>Germany
>implying Vienna isn’t the better option
It’s much cleaner, the people are generally nicer and it’s got a lot to offer in terms of culture.
It's also full of stinky leftoids
>tfw hating life as a STEMfag at TU Berlin
Send help
got to BdK
That's what the humanities undergrads are for. They prepare you for a versatile skill set to talk to people, write, and other flexible tasks in clerking, administration, management, or bureaucracy.
Almost every single job has the relevant training on the job.
But recently, there's been a cultural aversion to general talent sets, and everything is about what it says on the label. So now you majors where people become experts in some procedure, like Pol Sci or Business. It's a bad direction for society.
Still not as insufferable as the shit I saw in Berlin and NRW
>tfw guys I met at uni wanted to give me the Verbindungpill when I stayed in Marburg for a month
I study at Trier. At the present I can only recommend it, but the school is currently looking for a new professor to lead the Kant research department. Studying philosophy here is rather easy going and free, in the sense that you are very much left to your own devices, and the staff of the philosophy department is mostly very much alright in terms of character. The general atmosphere is very familiar and friendly, but staff changes are coming and I cannot promise that this will still be the case in 1 year. Hegel is generally neglected here. The university itself is also sadly unaesthetic, as it was build in the 70s, but Trier is pretty city, oldest city of Germany in fact, and if you're not sociable and want to avoid people it's ideal, as it is very remote and small.
pls respond German anons
KI und Medizintechnik ist dort auch ganz gut
>study
>end up in an office
What a surprise!
Holy shit, what did you think? Do you think law students jetset across the planet, bang instagram bitches and deal coke on the side?!
Fucking brainlets.
No fucking clue dude. There aint a lot of german posters here, but I would say, if you enjoy life there, do it. A Masters doesnt mean shit anyway, unless you want to pursue more with it, but I mean nobody will go: Damn dude, MA in phil? We got a job right here.
I mean thats just not going to happen, regardless where you did graduate. Its a degree for people who want to study philosophy, not an entry ticket for a 3000 Euro job.
I’m 4th semester LMU bachelor philosophy.
I have met 3 people in my degree who use Yea Forums, two of which Yea Forums (sadly they were girls).
Go to the cringey first semester student weekend to not get closed out and go to the regular student faculty parties. Everytthing gets dull quite quickly but you will gain so much if you have met a couple people who you can have tegular discussions and readinggroups with.
I did this and met some 5 of the 150+ who I actually can have great discussions with even if most of the time only in their specific field of interest.
What minor did you choose?
Redpill me on Kommunikationswissenschaften, is it a meme?
No differently from any other country.
It's just a fancy name for Journalism.
Georgia St. has a really good MA program with an emphasis in German idealism, if you want a stateside option. They get people into top Ph.D programs every year, which is some evidence of their quality.
W-what about Husserl?
>law
Liar.
What a terrible thing philosophy is.
Its mental masturbation which turns you mentally ill at best and the handbook of tyrants at worst.
It doesnt allow for instinct and common sense, everything has to be proven in a linear autistic fashion and is taken as absolute truth until then.
Just like all of modernism was discarded only after post modernism appeared.
>studying pilosophy at university
Rhetorik
>thinking yyou can get a grasp on Hegel or Kant on yourself
The "academia is a scam" cope is honestly the worst
lol based Hawkins.
Suck it philosophy fags.
>thinking the innumerable online resources, some of which are themselves university lectures, coupled with online discussion, arent enough to understand Kant and Hegel
>thinking that education in an academic environment, where you can actually interact with someone other than yourself is bad because you were raised in the Land of the Free® where studying costs literally thousands of Freedom Moneys
I finally understand why everyone here is an incel here, because your mentality is that you yourself are the best person already, and that others only exist to serve you.
>be rich kid
>be genetic dead end that would have died at somewhere around 30 years old
>be self important reddit scientard
>masturbate mentally over your own intellect, talk shit about people that helped you tremendously on your way to becoming a physics cuck (just another make belief science, that had its roots in philosophy)
>die like the drooling retard that you always were: pitiful and disgusting looking, while philosophy still shines on humanity in its ever growing grace
What a brainlet.
I think his point has more to do with the fact that humanities don't need a specific academic environment, while some majors like engineering and sciences do since you need access to lab equipment.
Seems to me like ever since philosophy "invented" the scientific method, it has done more harm than good thereafter, whereas science has been overall good.
Maybe philosophy has already served its purpose.
Thanks for the insight!
>Go to the cringey first semester student weekend to not get closed out and go to the regular student faculty parties.
Yep, should've done that in my first study, will do it this time.
>What minor did you choose?
Language/Literature/Culture - to be quite honest they all sound nice, but maybe this will encourage me to take up language courses
How much is the workload? I am not planning to make it full time but rather visit one or two lectures a semester, is that feasible?
Look at the world we live in today, in what way exactly does it seem better to you, other than the fact that you can shitpost on a congolese peanut-farming forum?
Science ruined our planet and humanity, by allowing us to spread everywhere and keep the most vile human beings in positions of power by allowing them to abuse scientific advances and structural flaws in policy and legislature. This world sucks, and if you dont see it, then I guess science has done its job on you at least.
Its kind of a simplistic take. I dont think there ever was a well known thinker or scientific writer (regardless of his field) who did not go through an academic education.
Self teaching is fine, but it obviously gets blown out of the water by actual discourse and the ability to interact with people. Studying on your own is very important but most people throughout history discussed their thoughts and grew. Academia is supposed to enrich your intellectual capacity by giving an environment in which ideas and thoughts flow unrestricted and are discussed among peers and superior thinkers than you or I maybe.
>some majors like engineering and sciences do since you need access to lab equipment.
>2019
>Not simulating your experiments in matlab/simulink in the cloud
Yeah way to go grandpa
It's not even that, it's the equivalent of what communication is in american unis.
You talking shit on Ossi-Kultur faggot?
It's not a lie. You'll find a job just fine having studied philosophy in either country, and you can also always fall back on teaching it at school, as these civilized societies start offering philosophy during high school.
>all uni degrees are worthless now due to oversaturation
Yeah, just yesterday I had to give money to a homeless medical graduate, there’s just too many fucking doctors and not enough sick people.
Philosophy is over-represented in Law, it's a really good first degree in the US for law school.
>Go for STEM
>Engineer working for 40k
>Go for philosophy
>Consultant working for 140k
fuck off mongrel cuck
The likelihood of getting THAT consultant job is probably 1000x less likely than getting any possible job for any division of engineering.
What kind of philosophers get that kind of salaries? Nussbaum? Zizek? Fukuyama? Whoever they are, they're definitely not your average Philosophy PhD holder.
That's not the point the guy's going for. There's been an historical issue in STEM fields where specialists (i.e. engineers, chemists, researchers etc) have had their pay stagnate because they don't go into management positions, while humanities and arts people end up scoring the managerial gigs a little later in their careers.
Frankfurt
>German university
It needs to be American or British, preferably Ivy League or Oxbridge. Otherwise you are wasting your money.
Why Frankfurt?
Wittgenstein apparently
e-fellows.net
Also logic and moral philosophy
hochschulanzeiger.faz.net
STEM only gets you so far, but think about it - what manager would promote a technician whos perfect in his niche?
That user is trying to troll the /pol/tards by triggering them about the Frankfurt School of Post-War Philosophy
No offense, but Germans are STEMtards who can't think critically at all. What has your country produced intellectually since WW2? Basically nothing. Don't you think you're wasting your time by studying philosophy in Germany?
And, ironically, German idealism is peak Humanitard obfuscatory BS.
ke(c)k
So he can teach others to be perfect like him.
This happens in tech all the time.
Your assumption that someone who is good in tech also is good in teaching tech and social interactions is based on what?
Proximity to the banks, your future employee
I do SLK as well for the same reason; if you haven’t done Latin in school do it here; Merkle is a really good professor you will enjoy it and Latin really is a necessary language. Most modern language courses I have taken have been worse and more of a nuisaance. For the Mandatory classes in the minor make sure to take the one with “Busjan/Detges” you will be able to aboir exans by taking online exams during the semester.
If you don’t double major you will enjoy the degree. Classes vary and the mandatory phil courses are poor but the availability to all the books(phil library or central library) is orgasmic.
Selbstzweckstudium, nicht vergessen.
>implying Ossis have culture
Germans are everything but STEM. STEM is really underappreciated and also the new generation doesn't see itself in any stem area. German students are all about Work-Life Balance and exerting their creative muscles.
I hate it.
- Japanese & English major.
>inb4 Ossis are based because they vote AfD and preserve our culture
I have read that so often on Yea Forums and I dare anybody to actually spend some time in those shithole states
I'm a philosophy major and studied STEM before. STEM is underappreciated in Germany because it is unstructured and your career opportunities are not exciting. When I started studying engineering I thought I was going to build robots, but no. I quickly found out that never happens unless you study internationally.
I really enjoyed my month in Jena and Potsdam, dont like their unis though.
The fact that people with seniority are there because of their experience?
Do you think people in technical disciplines are managed by people who have no idea what they're doing?
>sadly they were girls
why sadly? I would totally dig them if you catch my drift
you’ll know when you meet such
I think people in technical disciplines are managed by people who have better leadership skills than technical skills, something that is not inherent in everyone who knows his technical subject.
>STEM only gets you so far
>post article that states how consulting companies also like to hire people from STEM fields
>thinking you can’t.
i actually know some girls from the kunstakademie that browse Yea Forums
What you do with an engineering master:
Construct this one very particular part for the new machine that we will build in 10 years.
The most boring job ever.
Jena and Potsdam dont count when talking about the deep east. Potsdam especially is super high class.
Yes, that's why I left. In fact it's even worse. I wanted to build not just robots, but cyborgs, and that career path just lands you at some medical firm where your job consists mostly in maintenance. There is no research in this direction at the present moment. I have better chances for my goal in studying philosophy than if I was to study engineering, ironically enough.
I don’t wanna deny the possibility but the majority of girls I have discussed with seem to miss the essence of vital topics.
Just visit the art academy next to the LMU, there you´ll find the weirdos and freaks
How would that benefit me in any way? I am not looking for daddy issues art hoe gf like most of Yea Forums seems to seek.
No offence if that is your group of people btw.
Does it actually make any difference to which university you go in Germany?
Do people care if you went to Münster or Greifswald instead of Göttingen or Munich?
The world has always sucked user, how can something as big as the world not be massively flawed? You simply have no proper sense of scale. And if you think leaders in the Western World right now are vile, boy I dare you to seriously study history.
No, not really, especially not in philosophy. The only way it matters is in finding the right teachers and such, and for starting a PhD at the school you're studying at if that is what you want (it can be easier if the profs already know you).
People from STEM get into managment all the time. The biggest obstacle is that they often refrain from pursuing those jobs in the first place because managment is often more boring than "technical" (ie potentially intellectually challenging and less people-oriented) work.
I also don't understand where the meme that STEM people are robot that can only work in their niche comes from. Or the idea that studying a niche area of literature for 4 years somehow is the key to universal ability to work on anything non-technical.
Will a normal guy suddenly lose his ability to adapt while learning mathematics? In my experience it's been the opposite, turboautists stay turboautists and well-adjusted people become more acute in their thinking. The turboutist can use their maths skill to avoid having to do anything else, while those willing to learn and interact with people are plenty capable of doing so STEM degree or no STEM degree.
You clearly haven't worked that many jobs. Many of them are even more boring than that. Everything is hyperspecialized now anyway.
I know, but if your goal is to be part of something interesting and meaningful, it's actually better to get into the humanities because in all the math related fields you'll just become a miniscule cog in the machine and all the effort of yours will eventually be claimed by some rich cunt who exploited your work for his own benefit.
bump
Ist Prof. Welsen schon emeritiert?
Nein, aber man darf hoffen. Hast du selbst in Trier studiert?
What the fuck nigga.
I'm some dude from a third world country in South America and the requirements for Bachelor in pretty much all german universities were C2. I only have B2 but I was hoping to keep learning, regrettably I lost hope because I thought C1 was the requirement but then fucking C2 for damn History.
I guess I'll finish my uni here and then go do a master in History or whatever related to Humanities since C2 wouldn't be a requirement and/or I would have enough skills to pass the exam by then. Is this a good strategy? Pls halp. I luv Germany, already went there. Wouldn't live there for the rest of my life so don't worry about me stealing jobs, thx.
Good luck stealing jobs as a history major
Which country, amigo?
Even better, I won't be stealing any jobs therefore I wouldn't damage the native german workforce ;).
Pooru
I study English in Würzburg but I know that our department here is heavily into phenomenology and plus it's a very small und sworn community of professors and Students. And it's nice here: wine, beer, hot summer at the river and baroque buildings everywhere.