Gaddis

why's his dialogue so much better than everyone else's

Yes, I did, in Spanish no less. A totally miscategorized poor novel. Blood Meridian deserves that spot.

Meant Recog not Recon

Damn. Enjoy anything else by Bolano? I quit BM after the first page.

- because every line of dialogue begins with a hyphen.

>Enjoy anything else by Bolano?
Yes, I really like some of his other works. Savage Detectives, Distant Star, By Night in Chile. He also has some good short stories like The Return or Snow. His poetry sucks major cock, though.
>I quit BM after the first page.
I actually quit two times at various stages before reading the whole thing. Third time's the charm, I guess. Now it's one of my favorite books.

Last Evenings on Earth and Return are great collections. Agree on his poetry - surprising that for so much love/obsession with poetry, his poems are mostly garbage. Might have to try BM again. Did Gaddis write any short stories? I'd be interested in reading that.

Is Carpenter's concise? I tried Frolic and it was unreadable.

CG is definitely his most readable. From there, Frolic should be pretty easy

>am i the one for whom christ died?

in time you'll realize how cringe blood meridian was

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XeKjKWXWZOE

Franzen never read JR but Franzen is a hack

You should read the English version. Spanish just cannot handle the content properly.

Yes.

No but there is a book of his essays.

Dude. Wait, that was BM? Or a play on it? I love Royal Tenenbaums.

Franzen/JR - sorry, meant Recognitions that he spoke about as a novel that should be taught. Haven't even read Franzen, just saw it because reading into Recognitions, lol.

I don't read Spanish haha - read Bolano in English and couldn't stand BM's use of English.

Yes, it's making fun of McCarthy and his goofball book, clearly.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h43meC1LlzE

I mean, McCarthy is great, but Blood Meridian is at the bottom.

>clearly

because it’s a western with big vocab words?

>You should read the English version. Spanish just cannot handle the content properly.
That's not how it works. The English version is derived from the Spanish one. The novel is mediocre at best regardless of the language.

>but Blood Meridian is at the bottom.
Wrong. It's literally at the top.

Why?

Big?

The English version is the beautiful crystal around the Spanish seed.

>The English version is the beautiful crystal around the Spanish seed.
Wrong. You haven't even read it, have you, monolingual? kek both are mediocre at best. Get over your meme book.

>Why?
Because the other serious contender is Suttree, which Blood blows out of the water.

Why? Suttree is easily better. Ctrl + f "like some" in BM. What's your favorite part of BM?

I didn't mean to insult your mother tongue. And sure, I put the meme book in the meme quadrilogy. Knowing Spanish and English isn't impressive, vato.

>vato
Who talks like this? Are you some disgusting chicano faggot? No wonder you dislike Blood Meridan LMAO and you're wrong into thinking a book is superior just because you read it in a translation done by a woman

Just trying to figure out if you're a beaner or a llama jockey. So that's cleared up. Your sexual frustration is none of my business. Why didn't you like the Spanish 2666?

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I've already answered that question numerous times in 2666 threads. So fuck off, racist cunt, you don't know me nor my nationality. You only know about that mediocre book because Oprah shilled it as being a page turner like Harry Potter. That's literally the reason it's popular with Anglos.

I enjoyed the first 400 pages of Recognitions, but the writing itself severely plummetted in quality at the halfway point. I'll return to it eventually, but the glimpses of greatness don't feel worthy of the interminable bouts of slog I had to wade through to enjoy them. That said,
I'd say it's because he sticks exposition and forward thrust where it belongs, that is--in the narration itself. To today's sensibilities, if a single word doesn't immediately convulse the narrative forward, the author isn't doing his job. Utter hogwash, obviously. I liked that the characters spoke in stutters, half-starts, trailed off into contemplation and sometimes fell utterly into rumination and silence. The dialogue is very believable and consistently enjoyable for its window into its character's souls. I plan to read JR someday but told myself I would read Recognitions first. I will eventually return to it.

On a side note, another user mentioned 'Angle's Repose' in a thread a few days back. I had never heard of the novel and went to pick it up. I am currently 100 pages into it and it is sublime, both in prose and content. I recommend it to all anons who love serious literature.

Lol the Spanish mind speaketh!

Why not just answer like a big boy? You can't or won't? What does your dumb ass language & culture have to do with race? Nada—you've been backed into a corner. You've failed to have a discussion because you've been exposed as inadequate. Sad.

Is he better than Pynchon? I can’t really conceive of a postmodern novel that is better than Gravity’s Rainbow/Mason & Dixon, but I haven’t read all that widely

No. But he's up there.

That's honestly really funny. Movie is so damn funny.

You made it racial the moment you said beaner and llama jockey. Just say you're a salty chicano who's so proud he reads women's translations.

Those are cultural. Oh god:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRwTvZNY9w

You can't understand the language, you can't think, can't communicate. Stand down. Don't embarass yourself further. We understand you're mad and confused, but just step away. You have nothing to add when you're being like this.

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Funny how I've received nothing but positive feedback here in numerous threads, I have blended alright, but the moment I imply my origin and language some asshole starts throwing ethnic slurs at me for no particular reason other than my personal dislike of a mediocre book that he allegedly thinks highly of. Fuck off, already. 2666 is still shit btw. Literally for the Oprah audience lmao

"Is he better than Pynchon? I can’t really conceive of a postmodern novel that is better than Gravity’s Rainbow/Mason & Dixon, but I haven’t read all that widely"

Gonna weigh in here and say I've read that The Recognitions was a novel that defined the transition from modern to postmodern. I can see why a scholar/critic would say that. I think it's accurate. It's skeptical of modern society and commercialism and capitalism, yet it's also flaunting all of the excesses of modernism via references to classics and antiquity brought about by Harvard academic rigor. Even though Gaddis was dropped out or was kicked out. Whether or not he was rich or a WASP, it's really entertaining prose.

>finally see a Gaddis thread
>The thread is full of two spics bitching at each other

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>nothing but positive feedback
>Yea Forums
something is not adding up

Guess I'll just post here again and say that Gaddis Annotations is pretty helpful in identifying the hundreds of sub-plots and themes that occur in The Recognitions

williamgaddis.org/recognitions/index.shtml

It helped me a bit while reading, if only to re-affirm what I had noticed. Between intertext, subtext, and hypertext... the resource helped. Like, for example, the mention of the scent of lavender will drive you crazy when reading Recognitions.

take the mollypill

>what is camaraderie and banter

So true weeeew lad

Dude hipsters are exactly the same. The two fucking parties in the book I have been too in real life. I've been to an art party where when the alcohol dried up everyone just left and that new years party was like every party I had in university for 4 years straight. I remember girls showing up in the same dresses with Mickey mouse watches lol

His characters are all unique. I can recognize who's talking just by reading what they say. You don't even need names after a few pages. His characters are very good and realized. J r would be a hilarious movie

I would say they are on the same level. But the recognitions is the best debut novel of recent release. J r is the funniest book I have ever read. But Mason and Dixon has such a place in my heart. Watching them come together was amazing. Very touching!

>recent release.
>released 70 years ago

That's relatively new

bruh, the racism is uncalled for.
What do you have to say about Gaddis then?

I went to grade school with William Gaddis AMA

I went to grade school with William Gaddis AMA

well damn. so, he got kicked out for drinking?

Because no one reads Gaddis

God fucking dammit now I need to reread this behemoth again and it's gonna take me like two months and I'm gonna enjoy every single page but also feel guilty that I'm rereading instead of reading all the other books I'm halfway through for the first time

What exactly do you find s?

The genuine vs phony bullshit that comes along with hipsters

Also all the other bullshit

Not that guy but Otto reminded me so much of the way I act in social situations that it genuinely made me reflect on what my values were and how to be more like Wyatt

sometimes I stop reading books for like a month then I come back furiously reading.
Have not read anything in a month, now seriously considering jumping into the recognitions, love pynchon but haven't read any gaddis. been meaning to for a while and it is on my shelf right now

So many of the interactions between the younger characters feel like things I'd be part of.
Same. Otto is also Gaddis' comic self-insert.