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Is it morally right to have children?
Camden Sanchez
Henry Flores
Only if you're not white
Zachary Edwards
Is it morally wrong to deny existence to a potential? Potentiality is not yet being, so I think it's some kind of pulsating phenomenon waiting for a trigger.
Eli Ramirez
Nope
Jeremiah Thomas
Bump
Brandon Carter
Is it morally right to spam threads about natalism 24/7?
Xavier Jackson
its morally wrong to teach them philosophy.
Ethan Collins
Who cares if it's morally right or wrong?
Cameron Robinson
In that case it's wrong though
David Taylor
Antinatalism is the prime example of what Nietzsche called ressentiment. Incels can't get laid, therefore it must be good to not get laid.
Noah Ramirez
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Christian Reed
>Cumbrain cope
Noah Nguyen
I wish I had children so I could beat them.
Aaron Roberts
Morals don’t care about children
Grayson Long
Children don't care about morals.
Mason Cook
I don't know but either way you gonna have regrets.
Angel Lopez
wait why
Liam Brown
op is a faggot
Joseph Rogers
A child's care for morals is expressed by the emotional disturbance of being taken by its evolved form
Noah Flores
based and kierkegaardpilled
Parker Williams
...
Angel Evans
he is reverse /pol/ idiot
William Cox
give me one reason why we should
cons:
>world is overpopulated
>automation is substituting workplace
>blink of a food and economical crisis
William Russell
Well I had you, be a little grateful you spoiled brat
Michael Clark
My dick is a pulsating phenomenon waiting to trigger :^)
Noah Cook
I don't want children as a non-White. My desire for being child free has nothing to do with race. Moreover, I am no longer antinatalist after realizing how difficult it is to apply. It is not tenable, and I cannot get down with promoting antinatalism to European peoples who are being threatened by many external foreign forces. I think ethnic Swedes and Germans should have more kids. Granted, I would love to see USA collapse.
Jeremiah Brown
>german
the very race which sought to destroy europe on multiple occasions?
Adam Mitchell
The only people destroying Europe, at present, are Jews and Americans. They were the ones who created the conditions for Migrant Crisis by opposing the secular and noble Assad.
Hitler was the lesser evil compared to Churchill during WWII, and I think if National Socialists won WWII, Europe would be more stable overall. It would also have maintained homogeneity more easily, which is important for cultures to thrive. I am still child-free, but I am no longer an antinatalist because I realize how painful it is to watch one's culture be overrun by foreign infiltrators. Granted, I primarily blame USA and Jews.
Ayden Bell
>by opposing the secular and noble Assad.
via support for ISIS and Al-Nusra*
Yes, ISIS and Al-Nusra were largely backed by USA and Israel.
Eli Foster
It's the only moral imperative
Christian Rogers
>my double digit iq self would love to see
No one cares dude
Jace Perry
Go fuck yourself, condescending faggot. I hope you die some kind of excruciating and terrible accident. Go to hell. Picture is an example of your despicable and vile soul.
Justin Flores
Yea Forums is thery disgusting place filled with unhuman beings
Bentley Peterson
>implying morality is real
All that matters is the conscious experience of your offspring. If they are healthy and function well in the world then it's worth it. But if they're the offspring of a 4channel poster their future suffering would probably outweigh any positive experience they could get out of life in which it probably is ""immoral"".
Jeremiah Russell
Yes. Us pessimists have to get the bad word out there.
Adrian Sanchez
>This kind of rhetoric is allowed thanks to Freud
Justin Cook
Nietzsche predates Freud you absolute retard. Read the Genealogy of Morals.
Jayden Walker
>every day I think about a son or daughter sitting beside me and reflect on how aggrieved and furious with myself I would be, having forced this person into existence, knowing what I know about hell and the cosmos.
This is the kind of antinatalism I always wanted.
Gabriel Williams
Perhaps, but ad-hominems can be brought in under the guise of psychoanalysis, which was founded by Freud.
Josiah Bailey
Ad hominem is not what you think it is. Ad hominem is saying "you're wrong because you're a retard". Observing groups, their culture, etc., and deriving their morals from those observations (as Nietzsche did in GoM) is not ad hom. Nietzsche aptly noted that Christians, being in a position of weakness, adopted a morality that glorifies weakness as a result. That's not ad hom. It's culture.
Xavier Roberts
>Ad hominem is saying "you're wrong because you're a retard"
No, that's an insult. Ironically enough, this makes you retarded. Ad Hominem literally means inquiring into the character of the person making an argument.
Lucas Morgan
An insult would me just saying "you're retarded". Saying "you're wrong BECAUSE you're retarded" makes it an argument which makes it ad hominem. Saying "you're wrong. Also, you're a retard" is an insult again. Happy to help.
Logan Rivera
No, all of them are insults and if if that were withstanding, it is also ad-hominem to question the character of the persons putting an argument forward, and that is what you are doing. Not happy to help, you are a douchebag.
Ryan King
Antinatalism is correct. It is patently immoral to bring children into this world, knowing what we know about what their future is likely to be like.
Conversely, I would argue that it is moral to have kids ONLY if one has dedicated their life to deliberately struggle so that the future is better than we have reason to expect. Not doing so, and having kids anyway, is the peak of depravity.
Camden Diaz
It's actually an appeal to motive, which is a type of ad hominem, but an appeal to motive is not necessarily a fallacy. What Nietzsche did is use his psychologization as a genealogy in order to explain how what he considered to be wrong came about, not to declare it as wrong.
Nietzsche's argument is: contemporary moral systems are wrong, and they are the expression of psychological desires.
It is not: contemporary moral systems are wrong because they are the expression of psychological desires.
Cameron Wood
k kid
Adam Peterson
>Nietzsche's argument is: contemporary moral systems are wrong, and they are the expression of psychological desires.
>It is not: contemporary moral systems are wrong because they are the expression of psychological desires.
Wrong. Nietzsche used the genealogical method (as did Foucault afterwards) to undermine the absolutist notion of morality altogether. Moralities built out of an appeal to some Absolute (God, Nature, Science, etc.); the genealogical method displays the inherent subjectivity of these (how they are constructed, how they could’ve been different if conditions were different). Nietzsche doesn’t call them “wrong”, that would be very anti-Nietzschean. Like Spinoza, he argues that ‘good’ and ‘bad, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ are variable to human psyche and perspectives. Nietzsche deliberatedly deploys the inherent power of ad hominem by pointing to the slavish foundations of Christian morality. It’s mot “wrong” because of some rationalitic argument, it’s wrong cause it comes from a tradition of weakness, and resentment, that praises death and chastises life. Nietzsche’s vitalism isn’t founded on reason, it’s an attitude you’re free to take when you realize the limits of reason to dictate ethics,
Wyatt Phillips
Thanks I didn't actually know what I was talking about but you get a better answer when you just claim bullshit instead of asking.
Landon Brooks
No, antinatalism is more of an appeal against the lack of autonomy that the act of birth implies. Also the inherent suffering of existence versus nonexistence.
Carson Scott
Only if you are willing to put the effort in and be a good parent. Accidents happen though so man up.
Henry Hernandez
I dont think the world has ever seen such a moronic sophistic retard as Schopenhauer. Honestly, his entire career was built upon nonsensical notions that he pulls from his ass. Will never understand how he rose so high.
James Williams
But what will we eat?
Bentley Rodriguez
all life affirmation is cumbrain
Levi Kelly
>not yet being
>phenomenon
Nolan Stewart
Where do I start with schopenhauer?
Elijah White
You can't underesdant him because you are cunbrain
Carson Green
It’s also morally right to not have children
Sportfucking is just fine
Thomas Edwards
it's morally correct right now
Lincoln Cook
there is no objective morality so the question is silly. I believe one should only reproduce if they know their off spring will have a high quality of life. I wouldnt dare have a son if i knew he were to be doomed to the same fate as myself
Off course like all animals we are biologically programmed to reproduce and most of us give little concern to the consequences
John White
Yes.
Elijah Baker
+
Samuel Martinez
No
Christian Fisher
Why does everything you do have to be morally right? Morally neutral is good enough for me.
Lincoln Scott
The world isn't anywhere near overpopulated, we could easily fit the current population into a single continent and it wouldn't even be overcrowded.
>blink of a food crisis
Even utilizing the absolute worst climate change predictions food crisis's would be regional and could be easily managed by utilizing surplus.