So, guys, listen to me right, If determinism is right and everything a person does is defined by their upbringing, their genes, or the influence of other people, then surely it is not so false to assume you can tell the future?
There have been many instances when upon meeting someone I instantly knew how the next few months of their life would look. I also predicted lots of political changes - brexit, trump, a few accurate election results. And yeah, this helps with betting but I do feel it is more important on a more personal level. Has anyone who's read a fair amount of psychology and philosophy had a similar experience?
When it was Trump vs Hillary my friend insisted Hillary would win because Trump was too funny to be real but I said "They'll never elect a woman as president, men don't respect them and women don't like them".
Luke Morales
>surely it is not so false to assume you can tell the future Obviously, given sufficient informarion. >upon meeting someone I instantly knew how the next few months of their life would look Insufficient data for meaningful answer.
Grayson Price
who is the wonderful trap pictured drinking vodka?
Jason Williams
Determinism is a protestant meme user
Kevin Brown
tl;dr: OP thinks he's Laplace's demon because he read a couple of psychoanalysis books.
Dylan Hernandez
God determines the future. Not you
Gabriel Hughes
Look man, you're on Yea Forums. You're just into this kind of stuff. More information you have more accurate predictions/bets.
I was 100% on trump for example but I thought brexit would not happen because the uk elite has nothing to gain from it.
Samuel Edwards
Quantum physics already kills determinism in that sense since random things happen at the quantum level, but that doesnt proof free will.
Brandon Brown
If determinism was right then how do you have any right to assume you exist and can make truth claims and have any basis for knowledge at all.
Joshua Morris
Wtf is this retarded reasoning? Are you implying that just because our brains can store information and concepts you have free will?
if free will was right then how do you know anything is true and your not just willing your own version of truth into your perspective
Asher Young
The argument is the sentience doesn't exist not that we don't
Connor Martin
I'm implying that if you are determined then you can't even say you are "reasoning" at all, since your thoughts are just an illusion determined by a process "you" cannot comprehend.
Xavier Jenkins
somebody is asking the important questions now
Connor Thomas
So, if a thought is not real or cannot be true because it is engendered, is a tree not real or untrue because it requires water and soil and sun? Does the necessity of A for B turn B into a nothing?
Ayden Baker
Materialism is fake, idealism is real, therefore god exists and AIs are an illusion.
Matthew Parker
>then surely it is not so false to assume you can tell the future?
non sequitur
Noah Thompson
Why would AIs be an illusion? Idealism being real doesn't validate god in either direction
Caleb Green
how do i get a gf like this?
Brandon Clark
be tall, handsome, have money, a big dick, and be willing to put up with 200% of her bullshit
Jason Anderson
>you can tell the future sure, if you accurately simulate the world
Colton Scott
i'm all of that except rich. i mean how do i actually go about it? where do i go and what do i do when i get there?
Brody Miller
Which you can't because of quantum uncertainty. See Laplace's demon and the criticisms of it.
Aiden Brown
>where do i go college classes >what do i do be yourself
Jack Barnes
so i can just show up to college classes and no one will say anything? do they take attendance?
Jonathan Bell
eh, it doesn't need to be a perfect simulation depends on what you want to predict
Anthony Hill
if determinism is correct life is just a nonsense movie
Sebastian Johnson
its sort of like a mass consciousness, you were tuned to what a lot of people secretly desire
Evan James
No, collapse theories arent very popular anymore. Almost all popular, including the most popular, interpretation is detministic. Just because you can't predict what you will see from an experement does not mean it is not deterministic, it is statistically deterministic and both possible events happen you only get to experience one.
Of course argument from popularity and argument to authority aren't very convincing alone but it at least shows where theoretical physicists stand.
The collapse theories assert additional ideas not supported by the math. This happened because the discoverers of quantum theory could not understand what was happening, or why.
Adam Robinson
That does not follow unless you are arguing from the position the whole world is an illusion, in which case free will would make no difference.
If you assume the world you experience is somewhat related to the real world then mostly coherent thoughts are an evolutionary advantage.
Brandon Carter
You can OP. Look into remote viewing and also hellenistic astrology (zodiacal releasing in particular). Materialist cucks will write this stuff off but Im sure you have more sense than they do.
Julian Green
As human beings capable of rational thought and self-reflection, we imagine ourselves to have "free will," which makes us distinct from inanimate objects and animals. We believe we are masters of our own destinies, because we can choose to conform our actions to our desires (we can "do what we want").
However, if our choices are determined by our desires, then the freedom of our choices really depends on whether our desires are "free" in the first place, doesn't it? If we follow the origin of our desires to its base level, we inevitably end up at a source of action that is external to our conscious self, i.e. something we do not choose. For example, I choose to eat this sandwich because I'm hungry. But why am I hungry? Because a lack of nutrients in my body has sent a chemical signal to my brain, triggering it to want to eat. Is my choice to eat this sandwich a free one, if it is ultimately caused by biochemical events outside of my control?
A similar analysis could be applied to any chain of action and desire a person could have. Man is not truly free because he is slave to desires he has no control over; he cannot will what he wills, and thus is no more special or different from any other object in the universe.
Jason Campbell
based. how do you rekt materialists user please ? my gf is like that and it's so hard to reason with her
Carson Cox
In most places you can just walk onto campus grounds or even attend lectures without any problem. In USA you might run into problems if you look like a shooter.
Zachary Edwards
that's because everyone knows lectures have no value
Ian Reyes
Well that depends. For me personally they forced me to leave Yea Forums for a couple of hours each day and is thus the only reason I ever graduated, regardless if I learned anything from them.
Connor Turner
just dump her and when she cries say "why are you crying over nothing but a bunch of molecules and chemicals?" and then when she pleads with you say "its just the chemicals that make you feel this way, fuck off"
Austin James
OH, you're the type of brainlet who thinks reality and feelingd can't have any value of there is a chance to understand it or them?
Thomas Rivera
Any Yea Forums determinism chart?
William Powell
Determinism is not for Yea Forums but rather /sci/ to decide, unless you're a solipsist.
Kayden Bennett
"reasoning" is a deterministic process. The free will/determinism dichotomy is completely retarded.
Caleb Johnson
I am God though.
Christian Martin
There's the stranger by Camus and Slaughterhouse 5
Luis Perez
>quantum physics proves determinism wrong guys >hurr durr randomness isn't compatible with lack of free will
Bullshit. Hillary lost because she was a shady bedlamite. Literally any other woman politician could have won, even that one that plays at being a Cherokee.
