/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Depending on how much you shitpost this might very well be the last thread before discussion!

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Funny coincidence. Way back when Soldier of Fortune was relevant i was making maps for it and had a map named exactly that. it was like tiny mall with like 6 stores that were almost empty and it had tentacles all over. the light would flicker and sometimes go out completely so player had to rely on hearing peoples footsteps.

Forget the hundreds of pages of filler disguised as "world building", Sanderson's greatest crime is that he is afraid of sex and violence. I can see why people call his work anime shit. I feel like I'm watching day time TV up until someone dies a horrific yet somehow boring death.

>Sanderson's greatest crime is that he is afraid of sex and violence.
This might be the dumbest thing to complain about when it comes to Sanderson. I mean I love darker and grittier fantasy, but "sex and violence" doesn't automatically make something better or give it more depth. Hell in most cases it makes it worse since it tends to be gratuitous sex and violence (see: Game of Thrones). Sanderson is a hack, but the last thing his books need is "sex and violence."

goodreads.com/en/book/show/2797251-the-mall-of-cthulhu

All the cute girls in the story were sacrificed to some evil god and their lips were cut off and placed on this weird ass boulder.

Miles Cameron? Not a fan.

Are you going to post this every thread? I made this years ago and yall still read Cameron. You now find out he's shit.

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>I finally found the one poster who agrees with me and appreciates my contributions!

Other peopeople agreed with me years ago.

>peopeople
Not even you believe that, which led to this mistake.

>Sanderson is a hack, but the last thing his books need is "sex and violence."

On the contrary, I feel like it's one of the critical parts of his books that is missing. I don't like gratuitous violence or sex. Especially sex, because it is often cringe. His books lack a certain edge, especially given some of the themes his books follow. They don't need to be grim dark, but they need something to enliven them, to steer them away from the soap opera props they feel like.

There was incest in the Red Knight? It's been years since I've read it.

Any authors writing AI/robot-human relations stuff these days? Like actual stuff not "robots automatically want to kill everybody" or typical trope shit.

It's 4am and i'n fighring sleeo. I aill come back affer i sleep.

The Footprints of God was pretty good. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for though.

Read knight? More like a white knight would preaches about the virtue of women.

You are all midwits too stupid to appreciate Randi Darren's transcendent art.
Good boy

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I'm guessing you want to me add that.
I'm considering either just posting the username and password or giving it to anyone who wants it.
It's a bother to keep stuff updated.

I actually liked the red knight though.

The mc's dad is also his uncle.

Based.
>tfw no redemption arc for incest king
>tfw women end up ruling every country in the world

theoutline.com/post/7886/ursula-le-guin-carrier-bag-theory

>you want to me add that
don't care all that much desu, but it seems like a reasonable thing to do
>just posting the username and password
No, please don't do that, it will turn to shit

The problem is that the worlds and situations he portrays would create strife & chaos, and gray morality is inherent in them. Sex and violence would have to be an integral part of those worlds for them to be realistic.

>reading The Wizard Knight
>vague allusion to women he's fucked, still in a child's body
>peasant girl rubbing her nipples on him

I get that Able is supposed to be reeling from what I presume is some kind of dreamtime with the Aelfs(I think?) after his arrival in this magical land. Any especially mystic part of the story, like his time with Disiri, is hazy and dream-like as a result. Still, what the fuck? I'm actually finding this difficult to read. Conversation often seems erratic and entirely unrelated to the events at hand, even with the mundane characters he encounters. Does it eventually smooth out or will I be scratching my head trying to make sense of this prose until the very end?

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Okay, check this out. I didn't think it was possible at first, but after seeing this, I am kinda doubtful. I came across some amazon self-published books that looked a little weird. The covers were all similar, no author name, the blurb was kind of all the same style. I suspected that maybe it was a single person publishing a ton of books and he just didn't bother to put an author name and was in it for the cash, except there were too many books in too little span of time. I didn't want to believe, but after seeing this, I don't have doubts anymore. Machines are taking up writing books.

Check it out: (middle click to open on new tabs and just look at how similar they are)

amazon.com/Dragons-Bane-Anna-Eluvae-ebook/dp/B07WM1JV3S
amazon.com/Queens-Awakening-Elara-Rowe-ebook/dp/B07W62GQLP/
amazon.com/Rangers-Quest-Eluvae-Eloris-ebook/dp/B07WR2GX6W/
amazon.com/Lost-Legends-Anna-Eluvae-ebook/dp/B07WLNDMXY/
amazon.com/Immersion-Room-Anna-Eluvae-ebook/dp/B07WKGSKYP
amazon.com/Fae-World-Anna-Eluvae-ebook/dp/B07W91LLBV/
amazon.com/Knights-Pledge-Anna-Eluvae-ebook/dp/B07WRY72ZH/
amazon.com/Twelve-Lords-Max-Jager-ebook/dp/B07WV6FRZ6/
amazon.com/Immersion-World-VRMMO-Fantasy-Tale-ebook/dp/B07VVXMPLH/

What I think is happening is, an algorithm similar to this: talktotransformer.com/ that gets as input the blurb:
>Featuring fantasy, adventure, action, and romance, this is a tale of a man on a quest. Includes spicy action with numerous orc babes, human warrior women, dragons, fierce rivals, and more. In addition, this story includes numerous erotic themes and scenes. 18+ only.
And spits out a whole book. According to the site,
>This site runs the largest released model, 774M, which is half the size of the full model.
Which means there's an algorithm out there that's at least twice as powerful as this one.

Am I paranoid?

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No, you're not paranoid. I wonder how many people fall for it and actually buy those books. How dumb would you have to be to enjoy reading those? On the other hand, we have to consider a world in the near future in which these algorithms have gotten good enough that they've matched or surpassed the writing abilities of great authors. Then how will you poor aspiring writers make a living?

>algorithms have gotten good enough that they've matched or surpassed the writing abilities of great authors
I doubt this will ever happen, not with a mere algorithm, anyway. All they do is recombine elements and churn out low-quality copies of whatever the designer thinks will sell at the time. It's like saying that since McDonald's exists, no professional chef will ever be able to compete.

You aren't paranoid, just wrong, there isn't any current "algorithm" that can write at this level, this is probably multiple people writing under a collective pseudonym.

I just find it funny that scenes straight out of star trek threads on Yea Forums may be possible in the near future; "Computer, generate a fantasy novel, one hundred thousand words, plenty of GRI, and no female protagonist."

But they don't sell anything! I could believe that if they had some reviews in each book, but it's all blank! No goodreads page, no amazon reviews, no page outside, nobody even heard of these people anywhere else. Even smut authors must have an outside group if they want the time they spend writing to pay-off. These people are ghosts that have enough time to write shit nobody else reads. And they have some nice covers too, if you put in the cost of the covers, they are probably loosing money.

I was thinking it was maybe an operation like that fucked up YouTube trend of making videos like "Pregnant Elsa gets butt injections from Spiderman" that sneak into the autoplay queue of kids who's parents just plonk them down in front of a tablet and fuck off. Those are designed to manipulate SEO and YouTube's algorithm, these books don't seem to do the same. Like you said, there's zero engagement. Maybe it's just casting as wider a net as possible in hope of catching just a few suckers?

>tfw just finished Empire Star
This will be tight.

>Maybe it's just casting as wider a net as possible in hope of catching just a few suckers?
Unlikely. They are on the Kindle Unlimited program. They get like half a cent for page read (actually read, amazon distinguishes between page read, and just flipped). It's estimated that each book (av. about 300p) gets like $2 per person that completely reads it. Whoever is doing this isn't getting any money out of it.

>They get like half a cent for page read
>gets like $2 per person that completely reads it.
People earn less than this doing YouTube.

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But youtube has many more views. An aspiring author on KU gets maybe 20 readers on his first book, if he does well. A good book might get 200 total. And only the most popular ever go past 1000 readers in a book. So they have to keep writing to get as many books as possible to multiply that. If a person can get maybe 1 book per month, averaging 50 readers per book, he gets like $1200 per year. Of course if he manages to get popular during this period and gets an average of 200 readers, then he gets almost $5000 per year.

In comparison, on youtube you can get many more videos per month.

They seem too well-written to be some autistic NEET churning out work after work, so.,.. fuck, I'm stumped.

I'm telling you, dude, it's robots. Keep in mind that talktotransformer.com/ is an openAI version. Who knows what kind of more advanced AIs are hidden by the corporations that are actually researching this. It might even be amazon themselves. Perhaps the algorithm in this site is not powerful enough, but it's not hard to imagine it coupled with other structuring algorithms producing nicer results. Perhaps there's some story structure, it creates characters plot etc, and the algorithm fills in the holes with words.

We'll see some paper published about this yet.
>deeplearning algorithms publish books, readers can't distinguish it from the real thing

Money laundering?
Steganographic messages?

>Am I paranoid?
No, the idea is reasonable.

My question is, are the books coherent? Do they manage to continuously allude to some specific plot which progresses, or are they closer to what you would expect from a mentally ill person who is unable to logically relate past and future?

Because what AI really has trouble with is not stringing coherent sentences after each other, but to logically progress anything. Because the AI essentially doesn't know what is going on, it just string patterns together, which means every single sentence by itself is coherent, but not the thing as a whole.

Just finished these two series. While they aren't masterpieces, they are fun and easy to read.
Any suggestions for my next read?

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A full-on GPT-2 clone was released a few days ago, so you are gonna see a lot more of these soon

I can't wait until everything written is flooded everywhere with AI written stuff where then for anyone who cares has to find a curated marketplace instead that entirely excludes almost all, if not all, self-published, indie, lower authors, many middling authors, and is mostly only the most popular authors.

Shovelware? That was just the beginning.

Don't hold your breath. As someone involved with AIs, they're nowhere near as sophisticated as you think they are.

We've basically hit a wall with what we can do with neural networks. Plus, NNs only really thrive on things where they can positively or negatively weight the outcome of a particular trial, then repeat that millions of times. An AI writing anything beyond a mishmash of existing text that is self-consistent and follows some sort of structure is basically impossible because it is untestable.

/sffg/, ive decided that now that the urge to write is gone, this is when I should start making it a routine.

given that my novel is usually so anxiety-producing should I work on it to desensitize myself, or work on other stuff just to build momentum?

you know, it doesn't need to be an algorithm. it could just be a group of writers sharing a pen name and writing stories concurrently.

in this day and age, it's not impossible that books could be generated by AI, but I can't even begin to imagine how you'd do something like that. you ever seen what happens when you make two chat bots talk to each other? it goes off the rails

Read the entire litrpg sheet and loved it. Now recommend me more based literature

Wtf are you currently reading /sffg/?

>litrpg sheet
????
There is a litrpg chart?

The self published chart is pretty much a litrpg chart

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If I'm not mistaken 12 of those books have litrpg themes. (Maybe more?)

It will work well for entirely formulaic fiction.
Something that people like, presented only somewhat different.
Again, the main part is the flooding to where people become frustrated and rely more and more on curators.

>>vague allusion to women he's fucked, still in a child's body
What are you talking about? Disiri is the only woman Able fucks, this is actually pretty important to the story. The "haziness" is mostly about being in Aelfrice although Able probably has other reasons for not describing his sexual encounters with Disiri in graphic detail.

>peasant girl rubbing her nipples on him
Able is basically gigachad, of course chicks get all up on him.

>Conversation often seems erratic and entirely unrelated to the events at hand, even with the mundane characters he encounters.
I hear this complaint about Wolfe's dialogue in general and I honestly do not know what the fuck the problem is. I assume it is because Wolfe is quite adept about inserting various social context clues outside of the actual dialogue, and many posters here are autistic and/or have poor reading comprehension from reading Brandon Sanderson-tier books and getting headpats from mommy and teacher over how many pages they've read.

>Tell us about a creature, monster or alien you've imagined!

Krikket; insectoid alien lifeform able to procreate with any know bio-organism in the universe.
Spreads by mating and inserting eggs in the host; eggs will germinate with offspring dna and produce krikket hybrids while retaining core functionalities.
Very powerful, high intelligence, and killing one will release pheromones that attract any nearby krikket several starsystems away. High quality genetic breeding material has just been made known, and the slayer of a krikket will find himself bred by hundreds of krikkets unless he manages to escape and somehow lose the scent of the victor

First example, I remembered. Doubtless there have been many more.

newyorker.com/magazine/2012/02/13/the-plagiarists-tale

Novel was plagiarized from directly using passages from many others. The AI will make it more difficult to detect this, but I suppose it will be an arms race to also detect this.

We already see this in these threads. There is overall little diversity in which books are asked about or recommended.The people making the charts are the attempted curators. There's so much and people simply don't know, and the overall amount read doesn't seem high, so it tends to fall back on a just a few. The entire thread itself serves this very purpose, as seen by the OP.

>There is overall little diversity in which books are asked about or recommended.
Why would there be? If someone you don't know anything about asks you for a book recommendation why suggest anything other than the most popular titles? With maybe a couple of hundred people posting how can you hope to have a conversation about anything slightly obscure?

im still working on my villain, the Mice King, but so far what im picturing is a tall, ratlike wight with four arms who summons micicles (mouse-shaped snow elementals) to coat his body like a suit of armor. The idea is inspired by the wechuge

my problem is i like ghost mice as an idea better than micicles, but ghost mouse armor is a bit too complicated when I have all this other stuff going on

That's not an alien, that's your fap fuel.

>Krikket
That's a sport.

The Tyullodrake is a Moa-sized bird with the head and feather structure of an Owl. As a means of self-defense and also to hunt prey, it produces a screech with a similar effect to a microwave crowd dispersal device. Except the screech increases the friction of air in the direction of the screech to the point at which a bolt of lightning is produced.

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Any good star wars books? Is there a Dan Abnett for SW like he is for warhammer?

Such are the limitations

>/SFFG/'s
>It's literally just one person

Am I an idiot if I think Lord of the Rings is boring? Halfway through the two towers and i'm falling asleep.

I've been thinking about a digital wendigo/skinwalker that can only transmit its curse to people who see in AR after having cybereyes installed with a link directly to the cortex.

You're either a pleb, or someone who has already surrounded yourself in derivative fantasy and find LotR to be basic and predictable because you're already familiar with the tropes it created.

I got halfway through Wheel of Time and other than that I've only read Song of Ice and Fire. Guess I'm a pleb.

All of these years later and Lord of the Rings is still the ultimate pleb filter.

Matthew Stover probably. Shatterpoint, Traitor, etc. He's never writing for Star Wars again though because he's not good at meeting deadlines.
Also his non-SW work is better imo

>doesn't know I own sffg and he is posting on my property

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i want to read a comfy whimsical fantasy that makes me think of childhood stories like peter pan (which I have already read so something new ideally). any recommendations

WHY IS IT SO FUCKING SLOW?

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The X-Wing Books and pic related
Labyrinth of Evil and Dark Lord:The Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno
Darth Bane trilogy
also the Jedi Academy Trilogy (fuck you a liked it)

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I loved this book.

This was my first Lem (besides a children's book of his I read years ago). I liked it but I found it very difficult. Is he always this hard to digest?

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thanks guys

Liveship traders books 1 and 2 is just full of infuriating characters.
Kennit with his ridiculous no trust and constant mindbending and everyone around him not seeing what he really is. I wish the wizardwood bracelet would speak out more often.
Malta and the whole spoiled nobles daughter shtick.
Kyle and his babyrage outbursts.

Is The Expanse series any good? I watched the first episode of the show and liked the ideas but wasn't very impressed with the execution. Are the books better?

Resist the status quo.

I do by only read YA coming of age fantasy

Don't even go down that road. Go while we can still pretend it didn't happen.

What

About to start Discworld finally, never got around to reading any pratchett. I heard Mort was a good place to start, is that true?

I suppose people would recommend Mort because it's a step above the first three books, but honestly if you're going to skip books I would just skip to Wyrd Sisters or Guards, Guards, because they're the point where the series starts to maintain consistent quality. Personally I say either read from the beginning or just pick a book you think sounds interesting and start there, because there's no overarching plot to worry about and that's how most casual readers get into the series anyway.

if you're the philosophical type, mort. If you're more into adventures, city watch.
Wait a few seconds, someone is bound to post the reading order chart.

I'm running out of good self published books to read. Halp.

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Undying Mercenaries is fun and entertaining without trying to be anything more.

Naw. Lotr is utter boring shit. The hobbit is good though.
Only high IQ persons see lotr and star wars for the derivative trash they are.

Ok, I've added it.

Are we being raided or ddos's? The site is so slow to posting updates.

Are we being raided or ddos's? The site is so slow to posting updates.

Is Gene Wolfe the best sff has to offer?

I wanted to strangle half the cast, and slap everyone else who wasn't the wintrow. Malta needs a hysterectomy with no anaesthesia

It's a sorry thing when the best thing you can say about 99% of the cast is they got themselves into this

there are spelling mistakes. unless their AI is programmed to mimic the editing amount of these shitty pump and dump online books, it's a human.

I wanted to strangle half the cast, and slap everyone else who wasn't the wintrow. Malta needs a hysterectomy with no anaesthesia

It's a sorry thing when the best thing you can say about 99% of the cast is they got themselves into this

Posting is up, but images, thumbs, and boards are down according to blog.Yea Forums.org.

The prequel books are immensely better than the films. The novelization of Episode III (by Matthew Stover) is particularly great.

Posting is up, but images, thumbs, and boards are down according to blog.Yea Forums.org.

Anyone ever read anything by this dude?
youtube.com/watch?v=yVDABrlJN8Q

Revenge of the Sith

He is definitely up there, but there are a bunch of people who are on the same level and arguably even better.
John Crowley, Mervyn Peake, Jack Vance, and some of the books in the selected fantasy chart are worth checking out if you are an /outerlit/er visiting /sffg/

He is definitely up there, but there are a bunch of people who are on the same level and arguably even better. John Crowley, Mervyn Peake, Jack Vance, and some of the books in the selected fantasy chart are worth checking out if you are from /outerlit/

An alien with sleek black slimy skin, like a lizard and small vertically slit eyes, it lives in darkness, darkness is its home and when it comes out from the darkness it tends to reced back into it out of comfort. It enjoys certain thoughts I have, I know that the alien is poisonous, it has a green poisonous barb but it seems unwilling to use it unless provoked

Are the Xeelee books worth reading?

based

Who has the rights for the Redwall series now? I'm legit scared of we getting Brian Herberted with it at some point.

I didn't like it when I tried to read it. But it was in a time where I was looking for hard sci-fi and that was just not it.

Miles Cameron? Ddim yn gefnogwr.

>TFW starting a bad book, but finishing it anyway because that's what a man does.

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You could be reading a good book instead of a bad one

That's for pussies

I, too, have read the works of Bakker.

>yfw an author unironically names his protagonist Rand Al'Thor

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>Check the cast of the upcoming WoT TV series
>Perrin is a nigger
>Nynaeve is a nigger
>Egwene is a pooinloo
I'm not surprised. Guess they didn't want to catch flak for not having the six main characters for not ticking the magical 50/50 diversity quota. It's not like I was going to watch it anyway.

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Redwall Abbey Company still has the right for it and they already expressed they have no intention of making new books without Jacques. Don't know for how long they will keep up though.

Does it have any bearing on the plot?

Yes.

the plot significantly diverges from the source material. so yes.

>Dune
>Wheel of Time
>The Witcher

New Sun will be the next one in line for the "new GoT" trend.

Yeah because it’s specifically mentioned that Rand sticks out from everyone else in two rivers who look the same. He’s the only one in the whole town who looks different. It’s important to his characterization.

Well the author specifically mentions where the "black" people live in-universe and it certainly wasn't in their home town.

He still sticks out now. He's white.

That Harry Potter story allegedly written by an AI is unironically hilarious. Seeing this, I'm starting to suspect it might have been a hoax.

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Was it? I heard it was written by tapping a predictive keyboard, which does not qualify as AI.

No he doesn’t, because Mat is white too.

This is truly pleb filter and I don't think I've passed.

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Dumb concept by someone who hates themself.

Michael-Scott Earle on facebook:

Summary:
- I lost the court case. Amazon has a rock solid contract that is at will, and the judge decided to rule in their favor.

- I still feel good about the court stuff. I had a chance to talk and I felt like the judge listened to me. End of the day, it's Amazon's playground and they can kick anyone out for any reason.

- I'm going to be selling my books directly on my website. You'll be able to buy them and read them on your Kindle. I'll also make more money off of each sale than I would have on Amazon.

- Future books will be financed through Kickstarter.com . This will help determine which series I can/should work on and help get new fans because of Kickstarter's viral capabilities. I'm starting with Tamer 6.

- I'm going to have another thread asking for you guys to help me out with Kickstarter tier ideas. I'm really going to need your help setting it up and spreading the word.

- I should be able to do audio books through cdbaby.com This is also much more lucrative for me than through Amazon. I'll have tiers in the Kickstarter so we can fund the recordings.

- I'll probably have to use new narrators, but I'll pick great ones, and re-record earlier books so you can get used to their voices.

- There will be chances to buy paper and hard back copies of the books, and there will be chances to buy them singed through the kickstarter.

- I'll let you all know when the website and Kickstarter are set up. It's been a year of not working, and I'm anxious to get you guys some books again.

Who cares?

>Kikestarter
>Not patreon
Doomed from the start.

>different narrators
DAMN, Luke Daniels is what made tamer great. He narrated a perfect Trel in every way. There's no way someone else can do it as well as Luke did.

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How can you people feel comfortable while listening to a grown man read dinosaur smut is beyond me

Fun things are fun regardless of age.

Today I wrote 4k words, ending the 3rd chapter and standing at 15-16k words total. Feeling exhausted-good.
Anyone wants to read?

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I see I didn't get any (you)s. "Al" is Arabic for "The," the apostrophe is a cheap way to make a name sound oriental and exotic. This is the literary equivalent of doing a tattoo of some meaningless Japanese snit.

Manchildren. I guess it's a socially acceptable way to say someone is developmentally stunted.

>a cheap way to make a name sound oriental and exotic
So did it work? What would you have done instead? What should Jordan have named him?

me, I want more Tamer

Just got back from final booksale of the summer. P decent result for $35, though half of it is outer/lit/.

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Look up the names of prominent arabs or whatever. I cringe so hard whenever i see someone putting apostrophes in words to make them sound Arabic. "Rand the AThor" is fucking retarded

Muhammad then, got it.

Bridge of birds is fucking good, nice purchase

Oh yeah that's based

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Conan but it's a litrpg

Conan but it's wuxia

When are we getting the boxxy book 4 audiobook? I want to see Boxxy T Morningwood wreck havoc on the tasties.

The Bridge Trilogy > The Sprawl Trilogy

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>buy them singed
Lightly burned books? Aw yeah!

It seems like to me there's an especially strong affinity between self-published books and audiobooks. It's as if for many of them they are books for people who literally don't want to read. Seems like people post about it a lot. This includes litrpgs.

Physical costs money, degrades, takes up space, among many other problems. Avoid physical.

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Most quality cyberpunk short stories and novels?

Every traditional publishing house puts out an audiobook along with an ebook and paperback these days.
Times have changed, a lot of people don't have time to hold a book in their hand and read the words. They can listen while cooking, or washing, or doing some menial task that occupies your hands and eyes, but not your brain.

Self published has to release the audiobooks out of their pocket, that is the only difference. If you see someone asking for audiobooks, it's because the author didn't put it out as yet. Audiobooks also breed more life into books, than words can. Many books came alive from the audiobook when compared to the paper version. It's why authors take the hit and put out audiobooks, it's huge market.

You don't belong here

Threadly reminder that all Chinkshit, Litrpg, and Harry Potter Fanfiction belongs on a different board entirely.

Burning Chrome, Johnny Mnemonic, Snow Crash, Neuromancer then Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive if you liked Neuromancer
Factually incorrect
What did you write?

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Multitasking is an abomination.

>Burning Chrome, Johnny Mnemonic, Snow Crash, Neuromancer then Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive if you liked Neuromancer
Thank you, user!

OLD GOOD NEW BAD OLD GOOD NEW BAD OLD GOOD NEW BAD OLD GOOD NEW BAD

i fucked your mother while fingering your sister

qz.com/924075/audiobook-readers-obsessed-with-multitasking-are-driving-americas-biggest-new-reading-trend/

thanks for your recommendations they really helped me see why new things are better than old things

Not everyone is a neet like yourself, we can't stay home all day doing nothing and getting money while doing it.

>Audiobooks are the latest trend in book publishing. They’re part of the podcast boom, and they’re helping US publishers keep losses down as ebook sales from big-name companies continue to slump.
newsroom.publishers.org/publishers-sales-down-at-the-start-of-2016-ebooks-decline

Enjoy your quantity of experience over quality.

Your logic, like your ability to socialize with women, is flawed. It isn't "old good, new bad"; it's "science fiction and fantasy good, illiterate furry porn fapbait bad"

How does it feel to be a leech?

Pretty great!
I appreciate your tax dollars being spent on me.

>Publishing isn't even a billion dollar industry any more
Jesus.

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>not listening to an audiobook while reading a different book

You've misunderstood.
newsroom.publishers.org/aap-statshot-publisher-revenue-at-6-billion-for-first-six-months-of-2019/

How about you delete this fucking post and stop embarrassing me, also why the fuck is religious press growing so rapidly?

How about you just delete your posts?

Just finished the Ill Made Knight (book 3) loving it so far.

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>why the fuck is religious press growing so rapidly
As the feeling that the end times draw nearer, so shall religions become more profitable.

>therichest.com/rich-list/which-5-book-genres-make-the-most-money/
How do we save horror?

>What did you write?
I'm working on a bildungsroman, a story of self discovery and growth of a young man from a depressed teenager living on a post-scarcity planet (every individual is taken care of by the government, thus they're fed and sheltered with absolutely nothing to work for) into a universe-changing force. There are many named characters in the story, from implausible, science-defying aliens to actual gods (actual, literal force-of-nature gods, not some technologically advanced aliens that pretend to be gods)
Although there is a main character, I play with the idea that the main character's soul or essence, what animates his being, is split into many personas, who all work in tandem to achieve the same ultimate unknowable goal, though this will never be outright stated in the book.
Although I'm proud of the plot itself, I'm more proud about my prose, seeing as I'm not a native english speaker.

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The less safe people feel, the less they will want horror in their lives.
We save horror by making the world a better place.

Sounds like an utter disaster and that you greatly overestimate yourself. Best of luck!

>Best of luck!
Thanks. I'm confident in my work because I'm well read and I'm not saying that simply out of conceit. I've read pretty much every important work of fiction out there because I genuinely enjoy this form of art over all others and I can distinguish between good art and bad art.
Does this make everything I write objectively good? No, but I literally won't know unless I put my work out there for people to read.

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>implying I'm an Americlap

>I'm confident in my work because I'm well read and I'm not saying that simply out of conceit. I've read pretty much every important work of fiction out there because I genuinely enjoy this form of art over all others and I can distinguish between good art and bad art.
How much self published did you read to get into the mind of the those authors.

Agreed, I'm not even english native speaker, but I actually find his dialogues refreshing. When I finish reading Wolfe I always end up being dissapointed that next book isn't as cryptic and mysterious as Wolfe.

Hyperion

>implying other countries don't spend even more on social welfare and we aren't in one of those together.

Just finished the Silmarillion and I've got to say I enjoyed it much more than LoTR

Feanor did nothing wrong

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I've only read Leviathan Wakes. It's constant action, kind of like a blockbuster in literature form. I thought it was a fun enough read, and the idea of the different types of humans and how each is affected by their environment was cool.

>Costs money
These books averaged out to less than $1.50 per book, which is pretty much free for anyone with a decent job. Even outside of book sales, you can get very good condition books quite affordably. Even new books aren't that bad, same cost as 1-3 drinks on a night out generally. Not a significant expense.
>Degrades
My bookshelves are in rooms that don't have wildly inappropriate environmental conditions, and I only buy books in good condition. Many have lasted half a century or more, and still in perfectly readable condition. I doubt any of my current hard drives will be especially practical to use in 50+ years, if they function at all.
>Take up space
A valid concern for a student, someone just starting out their career, or in an industry that does not pay well. Fortunately shelf space is not a significant problem for me.
Download or buy digital if you like, but physical certainly still has a place.

Buying used is worse than piracy.

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The author and publisher get nothing from it. It's literally a lost sale.

Yes because if the makers of the show don't give a shit about keeping the characters the way they are in the books then they definitely won't give a shit about the plot. See: The Dark Tower film.

How is that worse than piracy? Both are "lost sales" (unless you'd never pay full price so you were never a sale in the first place)

Pirates may still buy it afterwards new.
People who buy used won't.
Selling used ought to be illegal.

Most of the authors I buy used are dead, and I don't really care about the publishers or whoever benefits from their estate.

Such a stupid logic you got there. When I really liked a used book I eventually bought a new one, specifically to help the author, same with videogames. At the end the best thing for an artist is for the people to have access to the art. Paulo Cohelo's books were pirated on russia because there wasn't a publisher interested in it there. The author took notice, talk to a couple of publishers there and now he is happy that his books get pirated. Piracy, lending, buying used, it all either helps or does not hinder an artist.

>replying to retards posting b8
you must be new here

Oh, it's you again, Abdul.

Thank you for the links, and interesting topic. A creature, monster or alien I've imagined. I have one in my head I would like to show you and describe but it wouldn't be as great but I will try. I think it would mostly look like if the tail of a xenomorph was a big horse shoe crab scorpion with a body as wide as a car a mouth on the underside of its body with shelly sharp appendages. Pointing in and to the sides that could move in sand and dig there too. Not sure what this thing would find to eat in a desert (humans). It would have legs like a crab sharp spikes along its legs and appendages maybe arms similar to a praying mantis the tail would be sharp and flat with weird sharp juts. Another mouth in front of its body too. I feel like its bottom mouth would be like a star fish's. Functioning like its mouth stomach and shitter. I feel like it would have small eyes near its mouth and back. This thing would move really fast in my head bursting out of sand and grabbing its food and crushing it. Also I imagine this thing being engineered, and made to kill. I wouldn't want to see this thing. I do think it would probably only exist as a small animal if it was real. This thing would be very impractical to have around as big as I discribed it. If you want a visual imagine this image but mixed with arthropod.

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>nothing hinders an author
What "logic" you have there as well.

>At the end the best thing for an artist is for the people to have access to the art
And here I thought the best thing for a full time creative was to be able to live off their work. My mistake!

In wheel of time, was tarmon gai'don really the last battle, or just the do trying to escape again like the guy from the college suggested? Never been sure on it. Seems like it's just another turning but

It's only the last battle if they lose. That's how it works.

Be he foe or friend, be he foul or clean, brood of Morgoth or bright Vala, Elda or Maia or Aftercomer, Man yet unborn upon Middle-earth, neither law, nor love, nor league of swords, dread nor danger, not Doom itself, shall defend him from Fëanor, and Fëanor's kin, whoso hideth or hoardeth, or in hand taketh, finding keepeth or afar casteth a Silmaril. This swear we all: death we will deal him ere Day's ending, woe unto world's end! Our word hear thou, Eru Allfather! To the everlasting Darkness doom us if our deed faileth. On the holy mountain hear in witness and our vow remember, Manwë and Varda!

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The wheel turns and turns. If they lost, the wheel breaks.

It’s much better paced than the tv series.

The upcoming Witcher TV series got nigged hard too.

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Looks bout right

Genre fiction—with a handful of exceptions—was pretty much made to be listened to on audibook while you're washing dishes or driving.

Thanks. I'll see if I can grab a copy soon.

What's some good fantasy with no humans?

he is bad. liked red knight when i was like 15; went back to it a couple of years ago, and in like - the first 20 pages, protag is chatting to abbess, and says something like "im an atheist", and she: "oh - one of those - bad, pooh". dumb. v dumb. wanted to pull my hair out.

pls read charles taylor.

I read the first 4 or so. They’re all pretty solid- even if the some characters are eye rollingly inclusive- but got turned off with the overall course of the series. They kept focusing on small scale human issues instead of the big wonderous alien mystery civilization the stories use as a backdrop.

Or to put it another way, you know how zombie movies are less about the zombies than the interactions of the human survivors? LW is the same thing but with aliens instead of zombies.

I've never read anything self published unless you count fan fiction as self publishing.
Besides, what DOESN'T count as an utter disaster to you (people in general)? Remember that BotNS is "about" a guy who is sent on an (epic) journey as an exile of his guild, and is pretty much a harem story when read on the surface. But nobody who has read it can wholeheartedly say it's a simple, shallow story.

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>Remember that BotNS is "about" a guy who is sent on an (epic) journey as an exile of his guild, and is pretty much a harem story when read on the surface.
I’m not sure you know what a harem is. Also almost any story is “simple” when you describe it in two short statements.

Harem in the anime sense where every woman the protagonist encounters falls in love with him. Don't play dumb user. It's not befitting you.

Except every woman protagonist doesn't fall in love with him. They all either sleep with him once or twice- or are arguably raped by him- hate his guts, or otherwise end up leaving him. The only ones you could really say "loved" him are Thecla- and love is a strong word here-, Dorcas, and Valeria. Of which Thecla is dead, Dorcas left him, and only Valeria stayed.

A harem in any sense of the word-anime or otherwise- that makes not.

Again you're judging the book (correctly) as someone who has read it and understood it. Any vague description of the book portrays Severian as the unlikely hero on the hero's journey from the low bottom to become the benevolent ruler of the world while having adventures in wild lands, sleeping with hot women and fighting in an epic war at the end.

All the Thrawn books are quite enjoyable.

Ok, I'll read some of it

>Nignaeve
*Tugs dreadlocks*

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If you aren't reading an entire novel every single day, then just what are you doing with your life?

Diaspora.

>what are you doing with your life?
Not shitposting, that is for sure.

Calling everything that you don't bother checking "Chinkshit" and "LitRPG" is like calling everyone who's not a Trump supporter an SJW.
A few weeks ago, I literally saw someone recommend a meta-modern commentary on interpretation and morality with Joycean undertones, and someone called it LitRPG, because it was published as a webnovel.
Disgusting.

>I literally saw someone recommend a meta-modern commentary on interpretation and morality with Joycean undertones, and someone called it LitRPG, because it was published as a webnovel.

Based. Webnovelfags get out

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The "chinkshit and litrpg" user doesn't read. He also posts about conan non stop, and likes to attach the word "bugmen" to anyone that disagrees with him.

Recommend me some prehistoric kino with cavemen battling dinosaurs and monsters. No gay faggot shit.

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Conan is disgusting
Chinkshit and LitRPG are at least usually honest about what they are
I would unironically like to murder those monkeys who attack modern escapist garbage, but think that their pulpy S&S is some sort of a literary masterpiece, or for that matter better in any sort of objective way.
Some haremfag may release a book a month, but Moorcock wrote some books in 3 days, and still gets respect by the monkeys.

To be entirely fair it matters little how much time goes into the production, merely the quality of the end product. That said, I have never seen an LN worth reading in my life.

Anime is 100% about sex and relationships and any plot is background noise though

I recommend a classic in that genre "Taken by the T-Rex" imagine the thriller movie taken but with dinosaurs involved.

>Selling used ought to be illegal.
You literally can't do that though and it applies to all industries in a similar manner.

Also, nothing wrong with piracy, just buy it if you liked it.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8kyDw35as

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My favourite series of all time.

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More like Throne of ASS, lmao

Is Sarah J Maas better than Tanith Lee?

lol no

She's not even better than Stephenie Meyer.

I won't, but damn if that isn't some tasty looking bait to chomp on.

Redpill me on the Deryni series. I read the first book and thought it was okay, but too many deus ex machinas.

I just wasted a week reading Ready Player One. Why would anyone, who is not a teenager, suggest this piece of crap?

...You actually read it?

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Is The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy any good? Was the movie a loose adaptation or pretty accurate?

It was worse than loose. It was a leaking gaping asshole. The original TV adaptation is god-tier.

The books are great.

slutcat adventures book when?

Hitchhikers is very well regarded. The movie was only very loosely based on the books; I'd say about half of the movie resembles the books. The books are much more loose in structure. With the exception of the third book none of them have much of a plot, just a series of interconnected bizarre circumstances sustained by novelty and really strong prose.

How much do you crave Dick? What's the best Dick?

My dick

I made it through part 1 but couldn't stand any more. I can't believe people complain about LNs and web novels when that's an award winning published book.

>how much do you crave dick
A lot
>what's the best dick
Big fat girldick with balls

I listened to it as an audiobook while on a long drive, after hearing it recommended constantly. I was so confused that people said it was good that for an inordinately long time, I assumed there had to be some big twist. I was certain that choosing the annoying as fuck Wil Wheaton as narrator was an intentional move, and that eventually the protag would realize something along the lines of:
- He's a sad piece of shit who embodies all the worst aspects of nerds.
- So was his idol who created the VR game, with the addition of megalomania and being the most pathetic and loathsome kind of "nice guy"
- That the competition was a monstrosity which directed the efforts and creative energies of generations away from fixing a dying world's problems and towards a megalomaniac's inane 80s pop culture fixation.
- That the evil corporation sucked but was by far the lesser evil to the game itself, which was a disaster for the human race.
- That upon winning, the best thing to do, the only meaningful thing in an existence defined up to that point by catering to a dead loser's whims, would be to irrevocably destroy the VR game.
But nope, as I got nearer and nearer to the end and this became less and less likely, I carried on out of perverse curiosity and found that the ending did nothing but validate the character viewpoint. The endless monologues about dumb 80s shit weren't intentionally insufferable, designed to make people introspective about the unhealthiness of their own popculture obsession, rather they were entirely sincere. The author wasn't writing about some unjustifiably smug nerd asswipe developing into something else, he IS one of those asswipes and only wanted to celebrate them.
I'm still mad at the people who recced that unimaginably trash book.

Basically Ready Player One is the normie version of Litrpgs. But somehow its worse even if that doesn't seem possible.

It seems that many of you won't read Armada by Ernest Cline after having read Ready Player One.

I thought that, more than a nerd fantasy, the book was just for teenagers (or people with that mindset) obsessed with computer games. And if you write for teenagers, you write to please them.

BTW, is John Scalzi as bad as Cline and Ann Leckie? I don't want to read another bad book this year.

>I don't want to read another bad book this year.
You are but a little child. Look at this:
>more than 400 1 stars on my goodreads

The meme narrative here is that he is.
Unknown how many people it actually is pushing this viewpoint.
That's why it's bad to form opinions based on what's posted here because it's so easy to pretend to be many.
Then also people just go along with stuff without even caring either way.

>bragging about refusing to drop books they hate
WEIRD FLEX, BUT OK!

>not being a completionist
How can you call yourself a reader? How can you talk about tastes if you haven't suffered from the bitter and sour?

There's a limited amount of time and I'd prefer to not spend on it on bad books. I already spend huge amounts of time on not worthwhile matters, such as this post.

There's a mega in the OP for monthly reading books but why isn't one for the most recommended books in the thread?
or some other sort of download.

Monthly reading is maintained by the monthly reading user. This general is a collective, and none of the collective feels like hand feeding people to find easily accessible books on the net.

I've read plenty of bad books. I don't need to read all of them.

This is why monopolies are bad and why tech companies like Amazon has to be broken up.

>i want the government to tell people what they can and cannot do
>i also want the government to step in after I dedicated years of life to a project and sacrificed so much to break it up and take it away from me
I bet your favorite book is 1984

As bad as Leckie perhaps, in the sense that he had a pretty decent debut and then went into a downward spiral.
As bad as Cline? No.

And the only one you've read?

>Tell us about a creature, monster or alien you've imagined!
People that use magic too much in a story i'm working on turn into a warped and evil version of themselves, sometimes turning into giant beasts.
Heroes can take a quest to hunt down these people since they are a literal engine of death that desires nothing but to kill and eat everything around it.
The creatures don't seem to feel pain like we do and in some cases cutting off limbs and pinning it to the wall with swords just makes it work harder to get to something it can eat.
Theres no point in them eating since they seem to live perfectly fine even if they dont eat, although they seem to get more restless if they dont.
The true meaning of people that turn into these beasts is that they become a kind of demigod due to getting a deeper connection to the source of magic, but their mind is destroyed in the process of the transformation

In book seven of the series, our hero falls into an ice cavern where he finds the crew of a long lost space freighter trapped in the ice and the crew encased in suspended animation by a glowing sphere named Shirin who claims to have crash landed in the ice planet millions of years ago. The orb creates a body for itself by using a gravitational field to attract dense ice crystals and other stones to form a titan-esque serpent. As the hero learns of its intent to capture him as well, he must devise a plan to kill the being and escape so that the other members of his ship can find him and he can continue his mission

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>publisher get nothing
I'll care when they stop giving Democrat politicians multi-million dollar advances. Such as $65 M to Obama.

>picture for ants.jpg

Hi pol, ho1 you doing?

Amazon would not exist if it weren't for hundreds of millions in government-backed loans since the 1990s as well as government cloud contracts.

>has no argument

13736016
>looking for (you)s

Which was better, the book or the film?

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It’s happening! T-minus one month to uncrowned. Finally some more enjoyable pseudo chinkshit.

Also, if you have been thinking about giving into the relentless shilling, the cradle omnibus is free for the next 5 days.

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I'm just waiting until the next one. I read those in a day. Plus by the time the next one comes out I'll have forgotten a lot more so a reread won't feel as pointless

I'm all caught up, and I generally liked the books, but around the crimson phoenix or whatever with the zombies was were it started to feel like it lost the thread or jumped the shark a little. It seemed to get better after that, but that section threw me off a bit.

He's awful.

I enjoy Scalzi.

I was right, he was sitting on the ebook to get a simultaneously release of audio and ebook. He's trying to be more professional like traditional publishing.

I don't remember a single characters name and I read all six books last week

Stormlight Archive has borderline genocide and a flashback arc of a guy going into a blood rage, and burning down an entire city of civilians, including his own wife while he savored her screams and breathed in her smoke.

Sanderson does violence.

>didn't remember the mommy that is taking you aside for special training

I've decided to give into the relentless shilling by the one guy constantly spamming in every single thread. I have just finished finish acquiring all but two* in the "SFFG Self Published Recommendation Chart" . Really should have put all the same authors together rather than all over the place.

I expect it almost all, if not all, to be unreadable trash. My background allows me to not dismiss it all out of hand though.

Since I don't have infinite time, I will only read a few pages from each work.

If it goes well, I'll put up a mega of all the books. If it doesn't, I don't want to promote it, but I probably will still upload if asked. Not even 20MB, so it's not much anyway.

*bunker core andrew seiple and
cultivating chaos william arand
Didn't see them after a little bit of looking. They are kindle unlimited, probably like all of these, but I don't want to bother with that right now and already have other books from them.

And that was my blog.

Looking for a plausible speculative SF set within the next 100 years, that isn't a shitty post-apoc and was written this millennium

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But does he do rape, even implied in the past rape

"plausible" is highly subjective.
Also the years are arbitrary.

Shotafags

Yeah, aforementioned bloodrage guy intervened in a pillaging (I forget why, but it wasnt for moralfag reasons) and his soldiers were mad they couldn't have the women in that village when they've been able to before

the aunt of the faggot he killed in Ghost land Adventure?

Re: subjective plausibility, you're not wrong

I just want something that takes into account current political climates, technological projections (e.g. Elon's 50 projects, energy shit, successful/failed singularity and it's repercussions, etc), early stage space colonization, etc. without taking the easy route and saying the bombs dropped resulting in a clean slate mad max world or going too far and having some crazy advanced bullshit that doesn't make sense. I want something grounded.

I want it to be set in the roughly near term cuz I could read it with it "hey I'd maybe live to see this" kind of way, and written semi-recently so the author knows all the bonkers shit that's been going on since Y2K to extrapolate from.

Accelerando

is that not a tomboy

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Most don't seem very optimistic about the near future. It's either mostly post-apocalyptic or set far enough ahead where all the problems of the past were more or less solved.

As such, nothing I've read or know of would meet those specifications.

or at least dystopic from failure.

i wanna know what happens with lindons sister now that turtle bro is in the valley.

The main problem with this being a matter of scope. There are plenty of near-future novels but they probably wouldn't have the scope and breadth of world-building that you'd want.

If anything it's a tomgirl

That's why I'm looking. I can't find anything focused where I'd like it to be. I have half a mind to write one myself but I'm dogshit at writing

Far as I can tell, we're heading towards some kind of vaguely dystopian cyberpunk future for the near term. Combine that with a fledgling human presence on the moon and mars, and it just seems like a setting ripe for storytelling

There's not enough Epic SF in the world. Fantasy gets all the doorstoppers

how did orthos get there so quick? have they only traveled like fifty miles from the valley? why is he so based?

>information requested: starving, thieving loli
>denied. Closing report.

Yes

Han Solo trilogy is a great adventure, loved it.

Oh, so you don't mind it being dystopian?
Seemed like you wanted something more hopeful, which eliminates most.

he obviously propelled himself with anger by spewing flames like a jet engine.

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Dystopian is fine as long as it's reasonably plausible and not some tryhard grimdark horseshit
If the future is a nightmare I'd like it to be justifiable and not just because the author wanted to write in a nightmare world

>There's not enough Epic SF in the world. Fantasy gets all the doorstoppers
Because sf has turned into political shit instead of technology/future speculation. Who wants to read a doorstopper about the current year but politics and it's labeled science fiction? I don't even put up with fantasy doing that, I won't take it from science fiction.

THREADSLAVE

He flew there like gamera. Just spinning off into the sunset.

What do you think about Paolo Bacigalupi's works? Too grimdark?

Tons of relevant short stories. I'm thinking going back through and categorizing for reasons like this, but effort.

There's stuff like The Martian, set in 2035, you may have or not seen the movie. Rather limited scope though.

I honor your sacrifice. There's 2 such charts that I've seen shilled here recently though. Both look pretty awful but one looked substantially worse. Would be good to know which one you're looking into.

Ready Player One is 2040s, but that's a different matter.

There's New York 2140.

A dragon advances. You expect him to be slow and take his time? He had somewhere to go and got there. You forgot how Lindon sat on him during the trials and how fast he was?

I had to Google his name. Read the Windup Girl and I remember liking it, but haven't read anything else by him

I assume the other you mean is: or the one called Self-Published Book Chart shown in the mega at the top

Remember speedy the turtle from the swan princess? Well orthos is faster than that.

I like his short stories a lot more than his novels personally. He has a few other novels.

The Culture is good, faggot.

I'll check them out
Thanks user

You're welcome.

>science fiction wasn't political until recently
Congrats on outing yourself on never having read a book

What they meant was "I didn't notice that science fiction has politics that I don't like until recently."

Or that older SF reflected political attitudes of its time, which weren't as objectionable to him. Considering how the attitudes on certain subjects have shifted, even 10 years can make that pretty huge.

>what is reading comprehension
I said who wants to read a doorstopper political book parading as scifi. There have always been political scifi, but they were never 900 pages long in the first book(I'm obviously talking about older scifi, seveneves was 700 pages I think?)

That's called Atlas Shrugged.

What they meant was "I didn't notice that science fiction was concerned with the shortage of human decency until I decided to be the bad guy because it makes my peepee look bigger."

>implying I would read anything by her
You know just mentioning her name was a bannable offense

What's the best /sffg/ book for a hot-blooded, minority-hating, women-hating (but also fucking) chad like me?

The bible

>He thinks it's one user,

the suicide handbook

Bakker

Blindsight

Possible. My attitudes are pretty much identical to Democrat standard circa 2008, which is enough to make me a Nazi to 2019 Dems and a cuckfag to /pol/. Can't say I'd love to read a scifi book pushing the current popular ideological trends of either.

Are the bad guys the people who want to kill the members of various races they dislike, or the people who are applauding prepubescent child sexualization and genital mutilation as stunning and brave? You can't say both or some arch-intellectual will reply with the "muh enlightened centrist" meme.

It all started with such a promising premise.

I severely doubt your self-assessment.
What a false dichotomy you've created.

I like the Expeditionary Force series and there is nothing you can do about it

Seconding user, I don't think you're a nazi by any means. I don't even think you've forgotten what you stood for, which is actually pretty amazing with everything going on, but I think you got off on the wrong foot with the trans rights movement the same way I did, and if you don't serious make an effort to play catch-up now you're going to lose sight of your beliefs.

to be honest, I don't blame you. Even though I believe in acceptance for the greater LGBT community, the movement itself has developed in a really haphazard and dangerous way and because of the political climate it's difficult to criticize anything when every other sentence is a political dogwhistle. It's probably going to take another generation or two for the situation to right itself, but I don't think that excuses us from trying to get there

The windup girl was good, but I haven't read anything else by him.

And there's nothing I would want to do about it.

any books with this feel?

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We are at page 9. Hurry and make the new thread.

...

Looking to start a new series. Just finished King Killer Chronicles.

Wheel of Time, Mistborn, Stormlight Archives, or Hyperion and why?

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Blindsight, because it's good.

Read Bakker.

We're dead, boys. Litrpg killed us

I blame Conanfag

It was a good run but now the thread has died of exhaustion.

Conanfag would be alright if he'd just admit that reading the stories chronologically makes for a more fulfilling experience

Bugmen, leave.

any books like dark crystal? enjoying the show tbqh

How's it compare to the movie?

it feels just like the movie desu, they did a great job with the animation and the puppet stuffs