Theists of Yea Forums: care to give an argument for the existence of your god?
FYI:
Proving god isn't the same as proving your god, therefore all philosophical arguments for an abstract deistic entity (Prime mover, Kalaam Cosmological, Teleological, etc.) are non-sequiturs
Proving that your religion is socially beneficial is not the same as proving it's true
If you can't do this, why do you believe?
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There is currently no explanation regarding the origin of mass or energy. There is only interpretation of the current situation. Yet no explanation logically interprets our origin.
>inb4 big bang
And what about before that? Was there just nothing? Something from nothing?
The same can be asked of god, obviously. So, I admit, this theory too perhaps falls short.
Everyone knows God exists.
Romans 1
>18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
>19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
>20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
>Everyone knows God exists.
>knows
I thought it was faith based.
Again, this thread has nothing to do with "god" as a deistic abstraction. We can grant that god exists, now I'm asking you for proof that YOUR god, whether that be Yahweh or Allah or Juju up the mountain, exists.
>just prove 4th dimensional beings in materialist terms bro lmao
This is not true. You are quoting the New Testament, so I assume you believe in the Christian god. We do not see cultures with no exposure to Christianity developing Christianity on their own (indeed many cultures have drastically different gods to the Christian god) so to say that the Christian god is "intuitive" or "self-evident" is false.
So, again, what proof do you have of the Christian god?
The law of God is written in their hearts.
Romans 2
>12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
>13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
>14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
>15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
>16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
I'm a deist
thats not true. The law of the Christian god is not ubiquitous throughout humanity. Indeed most people would figure them barbaric in this day and age.
But even if it was true, it wouldn't prove your god. It could be that people created the Christian god to correspond to the moral intuition they already have; in which case the morals those people held were printed on yahwehs heart, not the other way around.
>being an atheist
cringe
Nowhere in my post was atheism implied. I could be a deist or an agnostic or even a theist challenging my fellow believers. Either prove YOUR god or get off my thread.
>The law of the Christian god is not ubiquitous throughout humanity
It is.
en.wikipedia.org
Matthew 22
>35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
>36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
>37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
>38 This is the first and great commandment.
>39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
>40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
yeah, you sound like a crypto-atheist. I will shitpost in your thread. Cry more.
DAE GOD NOT REAL??
The golden rule is not the extent of the Christian gods law. That would also include slavery and stoning disobedient children to death. Besides, it's not proof anyway, as, again, it could be that humans have this moral intuition inherently and that's why they created the Christian god to have it.
Your argument is:
1. If the morality espoused by the Christian god is present throughout different human cultures, then the Christian god exists
2. This morality is present throughout different human cultures
3. Therefore the Christian god exists
Anyone can see how that's not a sound argument.
atheism is just form of theism fiy
just read some jung
>The golden rule is not the extent of the Christian gods law.
What part of
>40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
do you not understand?
very cringe and fantasy-pilled
I hang a painting on a nail. The nail is not the extent of that painting.
I use a pillar to hold up a house. The pillar is not the extent of the house.
>why do you believe?
Hannukah:
There's a little broom next to the candlestick too near to it. Rabbi patriarch before lighting up the candles puts it away and just to be sure, explains to everyone "the broom is NOT part of the ceremony."
Next Hannukah:
Every family now has broom near to candlestick, and as they lit it up they all say "this broom is NOT part of the ceremony".
tl;dr: Why? Meme magic.
>showing his true fedora colours
nice.
Kierkegaard already did I’m in Philosophical Fragments. If in learning the moment does not have decisive importance, then all learning is remembering as Socrates said. But if learning is truly learning and the moment does have decisive importance, then humans lack the condition for knowledge in the first place and must receive it from the god in the moment. But a wholly other god could not be known by the learner; in this case the presence of the teacher is accidental and we are back to the Socratic. Thus, if the moment has decisive significance the god must also be man.
There are multiple eyewitness accounts to the ressurection of Jesus
>trying to come around with a position hurr durr how can god be real if your eyes arent real without establishing frame of reference
>Being a QUINEFAG in ANNO MMXIX
>not realizing your questions about YOUR EYES are just farfetched Protestant heretics
>not adhering to at least Goodman yet alone Rorty's constructivism
>wearing fedora
SHIGGIDGY
go back to /pol
>Golden Rule
A bit off-topic but...
Is the Golden Rule a rational rule? Is it not rather a menial rule, a coward rule, a best-policy rule? Why is it "right" for one man to do unto others as he would have others do to him and, what is right? If "others" are unable to injure him or "do good" to him, why should he consider them at all? Why should he take any more notice of them than of so many worms? If they are endeavoring to injure him and able to do it, why should he refrain from returning the compliment? Should he not combat them, does not that give them carte-blanche to injure and destroy him? May it not be "doing good" to others, to war against them, to annihilate them? May it not, also, be "good" for them to war against others? (Again, what is "good?") Is it reasonable to ask preying animals to do unto others as they would be done by? If they acted accordingly, would they, could they survive? If some only accepted the Golden Rule as their guiding moral maxim, would they not become a prey to those who refuse to abide thereby? Upon what reasonable and abiding sanction does this "Rule" rest? Has it ever been in actual operation among men? Can it ever be successfully practiced on earth or anywhere else? Did Jesus Christ practice it himself upon all occasions? Did his apostles, his "sons of thunder" practice it? Did Peter the boaster do so, when he "denied Him" for fear of arrest at the camp-fire? Did Judas the financier, when he sold him for net cash? Also, how many of his modern lip servants actually practice it in their daily business intercourse with each other? How many?