Got mogged by a pro-natalist at my workplace yesterday
>people are standing at the kitchenette area discussing their weekends and laughing >went over to fill up my water bottle >find they are discussing having kids since one girl is pregnant >"chill" Chad asks "So what about you user?" in a way that pretty much was louder than the entire conversations going on >pretend not to hear >turn and realize I'm now included in their conversation >tell them I don't plan to have children >same "chill" guy asks me why >say I don't think it's ethically permissible >guy who only usually talks about Netflix series' seems excited and says he loves "getting philosophical" >literally couldn't remember anything from the 40 or so pages of David Benatar I marathoned >couldn't remember anything from the anti-natalism Wikipedia page I skimmed >got absolutely mogged and the pregnant girl said "Awww, you'll find someone!" in a genuine-seeming nice way
Okay what books do I need to read to form a serious argument here. I've already Amazon Prime'd the Benatar books, any others? Serious philosophers only.
Sounds like you don't fully believe it if you can't even recall an argument for it. True belief comes from the self.
Brayden Barnes
>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply Sounds like a way to BTFO himself even harder.
Brody Hill
God said to THEM, not all humans. I can tell you haven't read the Bible
Oliver Hernandez
Is there a single anti-natalist that isn't a retarded pseud?
Cameron Russell
seems like you work with nice people. at my work one guy flicked my balls while i was getting changed and everyone farts on each other.
Liam Lee
>discussing philosophy in public that's the best way to become a pussy repellent. for me i either avoid it or reply sarcastically with something like "yeah i want to continue my dad's family tradition of running away" because there is no possible good outcome
Anthony Lee
Your coworkers are way too nice, they're even encouraging you to be an edgy pseud because they think you'll all enjoy it. Most adults would have already punched you in the mouth at that point.
Try forming your own actual opinion instead of parroting internet memes. Read Plato and the presocratics.
Nolan Sanders
Anti natalism is retarded but if you were blanking why the fuck wouldn't you just give a normie type answer like 'I think the world's just too messed up to bring kids up in these days' lmao
Christian Rivera
>having children is the most ecologically damaging thing you can do >having children during a period of massive population growth is pure patrilineal vanity when there are plenty of children to be adopted >having children this close to a climate catastrophe is basically committing them to a watery grave
It’s super easy to argue for if you bring in the environmental angle.
Leo Lee
Also, if hell exists, you could potentially produce a child that will suffer for eternity
Chase Perry
I read "mugged" lmao I thought you were mugged in your own work
Nicholas Hall
Marx was right, you bourgeoisie are filthy degenerates.
Josiah Evans
They're presumably all proles if he's working/getting changed alongside them you cringe fuck
Jayden Wood
Proles don’t do middle-class “no homo” shit like touch each other’s balls, though.
Aiden Morales
The absolute level of mental gymnastic. Nobody ever intérpreted génesis this way, nobody does now except You. You've been shilling various threads now It's time to accept that nobody cares about the idol You made in your head to take the place of God, mr "i destroyed everything Good i did and ruined my own carreer so that means I'm more of a Christian than you" there IS a specific place in hell for the likes of you. Always in my prayers.
Julian Lee
I think you'd be surprised
Kevin Cruz
Do they "make money that makes money"? No. So in your retarded theology They're prolets or petite borgueise.
Noah Nguyen
There is no gymnastic required on my part. God wasn't speaking to all humans, there. Nowhere else does it say that we should have children. But it does say that it is better not to marry (1 Cor 7) and that the unborn are better off than the born (Ecclesiastes)
Austin Gomez
>'I think the world's just too messed up to bring kids up in these days' That's what sterile couples say to hide the fact they are sterile.
Connor Johnson
Report them to HR for inappropriate workplace conversation.
Luis Richardson
Jesus didn't have kids.
Logan Hall
Taking things out of context on both accounts. It's better not to marry If You're one of the proto-clergymen Paul was writing to; the unborn live better than the born Because the ecclesiastes describes the world without mentioning God's mercy. It says so directly. So, more mental gymnastic. It must be tiring.
Elijah Gomez
Jesus didn't have kids
Eli Garcia
It also says Onan was a sinner because he spilled his seed on the ground instead of inside his wife. But yeah cherrypicking from the Bible allows you to "prove" that it supports almost anything.
William Carter
I never said it was an ironclad argument lol, just better than fuck all, better a normie answer than a spergout for sure
Zachary Phillips
Nowhere does it say that not having children is a sin. There's a possibility that your child will be a sinner and go to hell. Jesus didn't have kids.
Isaiah Murphy
Stop saying Jesus didn't have kids, God did.
Parker Gomez
Who can go wrong by following the way of Jesus? He didn't have kids
Charles White
If your religion is against contraception you're functionally a pro natalist pretty much lol
Josiah Watson
LOL or you could just, I dont know, not have sex haha
Blake Edwards
>trying this hard to impress people i know each to his own and everything, but you are cringe incarnate.
Liam Peterson
I know this is bait but why wouldn't you just banter it's work not Yea Forums
Landon Clark
Yeah haha lol why didn't I think of that -oh wait maybe because people, historically, have sex fucking regardless of religion, they just get married at 16 before they have 8 kids instead of after. And given the fact you're attempting tp be prescriptive (not just outlining your personal preference), that factors in to the equation.
Alexander Mitchell
Remember that even the entire world believes something that doesn't mean they are right. You don't lack in argument or reason, what happened to you was a matter of rhetoric. They can mock you and make you look bad, but when you know you are right, it doesn't matter. People literally can't help but be natalists, they are born for it. Good on you for not hopping into the bandwagon and going against the grain.
Julian Ward
>married >without religion Err
Justin Johnson
Thanks mum.
Jaxson Garcia
Marriage is a cultural institution worh sognificance even for the non-religious. Are you mentally deficient? Or do you sincerely think atheists are all Christians in denial or something because they say 'Jesus Christ' when they're angry?
Kayden Cox
No prob son. But seriously study rhetoric.
Cameron James
nah if you're Chad (aka confident and well-groomed and not a manlet) you can get away with discussing anything last weekend I had this chick eating from the palm of my hand in a party talking about my favorite pro chess players lmao
Liam Bennett
>>tell them I don't plan to have children >>same "chill" guy asks me why >>say I don't think it's ethically permissible why you gotta be like that?
Jose Barnes
>chess players >philosophy
Gavin Roberts
>natalists Why don't you say "breeders"? Are you a homophobe?
Jonathan Baker
yeah did you miss the first part of my post? it all boils down into how you approach the topic, believe it or not you don't have to sound like a sperg while talking about phil
Samuel Thomas
So you really never talked with girls about philosophy.
Logan Sanders
>do you sincerely think atheists are all Christians in denial or something because they say 'Jesus Christ' when they're angry? Yeah I do, they are cultural christians whether they like it or not
Connor Miller
well taking two ethics courses was obligatory in my college so at the very least I've discussed it there as far as I recall :^)
Logan Harris
How bizarre. Like an adaptation of 'cultural Marxism' I guess. Obviously it's pretty universally accepted to view Western culture as shaped by Christianity to such an extent it even affects atheists, but the notion that said atheists are actually Christians without knowing it? Very strange.