Got mogged by a pro-natalist at my workplace yesterday

Got mogged by a pro-natalist at my workplace yesterday

>people are standing at the kitchenette area discussing their weekends and laughing
>went over to fill up my water bottle
>find they are discussing having kids since one girl is pregnant
>"chill" Chad asks "So what about you user?" in a way that pretty much was louder than the entire conversations going on
>pretend not to hear
>turn and realize I'm now included in their conversation
>tell them I don't plan to have children
>same "chill" guy asks me why
>say I don't think it's ethically permissible
>guy who only usually talks about Netflix series' seems excited and says he loves "getting philosophical"
>literally couldn't remember anything from the 40 or so pages of David Benatar I marathoned
>couldn't remember anything from the anti-natalism Wikipedia page I skimmed
>got absolutely mogged and the pregnant girl said "Awww, you'll find someone!" in a genuine-seeming nice way

Okay what books do I need to read to form a serious argument here. I've already Amazon Prime'd the Benatar books, any others? Serious philosophers only.

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Should have cited the Bible

Sounds like you don't fully believe it if you can't even recall an argument for it. True belief comes from the self.

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply
Sounds like a way to BTFO himself even harder.

God said to THEM, not all humans. I can tell you haven't read the Bible

Is there a single anti-natalist that isn't a retarded pseud?

seems like you work with nice people. at my work one guy flicked my balls while i was getting changed and everyone farts on each other.

>discussing philosophy in public
that's the best way to become a pussy repellent. for me i either avoid it or reply sarcastically with something like "yeah i want to continue my dad's family tradition of running away" because there is no possible good outcome

Your coworkers are way too nice, they're even encouraging you to be an edgy pseud because they think you'll all enjoy it. Most adults would have already punched you in the mouth at that point.

Try forming your own actual opinion instead of parroting internet memes. Read Plato and the presocratics.

Anti natalism is retarded but if you were blanking why the fuck wouldn't you just give a normie type answer like 'I think the world's just too messed up to bring kids up in these days' lmao

>having children is the most ecologically damaging thing you can do
>having children during a period of massive population growth is pure patrilineal vanity when there are plenty of children to be adopted
>having children this close to a climate catastrophe is basically committing them to a watery grave

It’s super easy to argue for if you bring in the environmental angle.

Also, if hell exists, you could potentially produce a child that will suffer for eternity

I read "mugged" lmao I thought you were mugged in your own work

Marx was right, you bourgeoisie are filthy degenerates.

They're presumably all proles if he's working/getting changed alongside them you cringe fuck

Proles don’t do middle-class “no homo” shit like touch each other’s balls, though.

The absolute level of mental gymnastic.
Nobody ever intérpreted génesis this way, nobody does now except You.
You've been shilling various threads now It's time to accept that nobody cares about the idol You made in your head to take the place of God, mr "i destroyed everything Good i did and ruined my own carreer so that means I'm more of a Christian than you" there IS a specific place in hell for the likes of you.
Always in my prayers.

I think you'd be surprised

Do they "make money that makes money"? No. So in your retarded theology They're prolets or petite borgueise.

There is no gymnastic required on my part. God wasn't speaking to all humans, there. Nowhere else does it say that we should have children. But it does say that it is better not to marry (1 Cor 7) and that the unborn are better off than the born (Ecclesiastes)

>'I think the world's just too messed up to bring kids up in these days'
That's what sterile couples say to hide the fact they are sterile.

Report them to HR for inappropriate workplace conversation.

Jesus didn't have kids.

Taking things out of context on both accounts. It's better not to marry If You're one of the proto-clergymen Paul was writing to; the unborn live better than the born Because the ecclesiastes describes the world without mentioning God's mercy. It says so directly.
So, more mental gymnastic. It must be tiring.

Jesus didn't have kids

It also says Onan was a sinner because he spilled his seed on the ground instead of inside his wife. But yeah cherrypicking from the Bible allows you to "prove" that it supports almost anything.

I never said it was an ironclad argument lol, just better than fuck all, better a normie answer than a spergout for sure

Nowhere does it say that not having children is a sin. There's a possibility that your child will be a sinner and go to hell. Jesus didn't have kids.

Stop saying Jesus didn't have kids, God did.

Who can go wrong by following the way of Jesus? He didn't have kids

If your religion is against contraception you're functionally a pro natalist pretty much lol

LOL or you could just, I dont know, not have sex haha

>trying this hard to impress people
i know each to his own and everything, but you are cringe incarnate.

I know this is bait but why wouldn't you just banter it's work not Yea Forums

Yeah haha lol why didn't I think of that -oh wait maybe because people, historically, have sex fucking regardless of religion, they just get married at 16 before they have 8 kids instead of after. And given the fact you're attempting tp be prescriptive (not just outlining your personal preference), that factors in to the equation.

Remember that even the entire world believes something that doesn't mean they are right. You don't lack in argument or reason, what happened to you was a matter of rhetoric. They can mock you and make you look bad, but when you know you are right, it doesn't matter. People literally can't help but be natalists, they are born for it. Good on you for not hopping into the bandwagon and going against the grain.

>married
>without religion
Err

Thanks mum.

Marriage is a cultural institution worh sognificance even for the non-religious. Are you mentally deficient? Or do you sincerely think atheists are all Christians in denial or something because they say 'Jesus Christ' when they're angry?

No prob son. But seriously study rhetoric.

nah if you're Chad (aka confident and well-groomed and not a manlet) you can get away with discussing anything
last weekend I had this chick eating from the palm of my hand in a party talking about my favorite pro chess players lmao

>>tell them I don't plan to have children
>>same "chill" guy asks me why
>>say I don't think it's ethically permissible
why you gotta be like that?

>chess players
>philosophy

>natalists
Why don't you say "breeders"? Are you a homophobe?

yeah did you miss the first part of my post? it all boils down into how you approach the topic, believe it or not you don't have to sound like a sperg while talking about phil

So you really never talked with girls about philosophy.

>do you sincerely think atheists are all Christians in denial or something because they say 'Jesus Christ' when they're angry?
Yeah I do, they are cultural christians whether they like it or not

well taking two ethics courses was obligatory in my college so at the very least I've discussed it there as far as I recall :^)

How bizarre. Like an adaptation of 'cultural Marxism' I guess. Obviously it's pretty universally accepted to view Western culture as shaped by Christianity to such an extent it even affects atheists, but the notion that said atheists are actually Christians without knowing it? Very strange.