Any English teachers here lads?

I'm an English professor. Is that close enough? Undergraduates are quite enough: I couldn't tolerate the under-17 students and accountability to moronic parents that high school teachers endure.

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oh nononono, user.

Literally this

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Former English adjunct at several institutions of higher learning. It was like being an academic day laborer.

What's an institute of higher learning?

What are you doing now for work?

Colleges and universities. I’m a landscape gardener now.

Wow, were things that bad at that level? Did you go into much debt to get the qualifications necessary to teach there?

How did you move across into gardening?

Watch the “shape up” scenes in On the Waterfront. That’s what the beginning of every academic year felt like with some smug department chair as Johnny Friendly. I shouldn’t bitch...if you’re young, single and want to feel a part of academic/literary life it’s no worse than anything else in today’s gig economy. Just don’t expect to get a full time job or tenure.
All schools now have a vast pool of adjuncts to teach their English 101 type classes. You’ll just be grinding away teaching basic composition, not lecturing on poetry to enthralled students. These institutions that are on the cutting edgy of intersectional lefty theory have labor practices that would shame Walmart. Organize, unionize...there are a million other wannabe academics waiting to take your place.
I didn’t rack up insane debt to get a masters degree that “qualified” me and I’ve done gardening all my life. It’s not any better as I get older and many of my former bohemian pals snubbed me once I got into that kind of work. Looking back I should have stuck with teaching and been more Machiavellian at clawing my way up the ladder but that’s just not my nature.

Thanks for answering mate, really appreciate it. I'd give gardening a go if I knew where to start.

Where do you live?

In the UK I would not recommend going into teaching, there's a reason a third of teachers leave the job within five years of qualifying. Only exception is if you've got a first-class degree from a Russell Group uni and you can directly get into a public school (or at the very least HMC school) in-house teacher training programme.

t. History teacher with both comprehensive and selective independent experience

Are you still teaching? Don't most teachers have degrees from Russell Group unis?

I was planning to teach English at a comprehensive school in my relatively poor region. Have been told I can expect to work 55+ hours a week and have to deal with indifferent students, but I think I'm just about masochistic enough to consider it.

English Academic Coach. It's awful. I hate children and teachers and teaching. Struggling to find something else

What's an academic coach? What ages do you teach?

Any upsides?

Yeah, I'm still teaching.

To be honest, it might suit you, what kind of school you're suited to is also a very personal thing. I hated working in a comprehensive but some teachers like the idea of being "missionaries" in that kind of environment. And yeah, expect to work long hours especially in your early career, although in English the marking load stays heavy beyond.

>indifferent students
At best. Of all demographics in the UK, the white working class have the worst attitude to education, see pic rel for the breakdown of GCSE stats of pupils eligible for free school meals. In a comprehensive school in a poor region, prepare for a fucking shitshow.

It's not the best time now because it's winding down due to the summer holidays but if you want to get an idea of the mood among teachers you can start following the news on the TES website. It's pretty bleak.

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Help out kids who are struggling. 11-16. Holidays

The marking in English is beyond retarded. How the fuck am I meant to apply this vague markscheme to these paltry two paragraphs the student has produced in an hour. What's the difference between 22 marks or 23 marks? It's the essence of arbitrary.

Thanks for the reply. Admittedly I probably fall into the missionary category. Despised my own time in school, but if I'd had a teacher who took the time to encourage me back then I think I'd have put more effort into doing well.

How is independent school teaching? I assume you are a fan of private schools?

Sounds like something a Humanitard would say.

No need to regret anything m8, the simple fact people started to snub you for doing what Poe literally described as peak artistic creation should tell you enough.
Also I'm currently in academia (math PhD) and your comment about labor practice almost made me wince in pain. I'm seen similar stuff in all departments I've visited.

How can the instutition biggest concentration of left-wing people in the West rest so fundamentally on playing borderline nineteenth-century factorylord tricks on its people?

You're an idiot who can't read

Sorry, it was a rude comment to post.

>that graph
Kek, it's like reverse /pol/: the infograph. Saving it for future banter.

Yeah, it's the same bullshit in History, and in the humanities generally.

>First quartile of marks is "Student provides a basic answer"
>Second quartile is "Student provides a simple answer"
>Third quartile is "Student provides a developed answer"
>Fourth quartile is "Student provides a complex answer"
Wow, thanks, AQA!

Marking consistency in non-STEM subjects is very sketchy. Pic rel is from this very interesting report by Ofqual:

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Worst thing is that because mark schemes are so vague we rely on the exam boards to supply reliable harmonisation resources, yet AQA were a fucking joke when it came to the English GCSEs this year:

tes.com/news/exam-board-accused-betraying-gcse-english-pupils

I agonise much less about marking nowadays then I did initially, because you just can't afford, time-wise, to spend five minutes agonising about whether to add a mark or not. You go bonkers if you do.

>Despised my own time in school, but if I'd had a teacher who took the time to encourage me back then I think I'd have put more effort into doing well.

I understand; I felt the same thing. Just be forewarned that it's much harder than you might think to have that one-on-one rapport you might like to have with certain pupils. At the end of the day each pupil is 1/24th (or whatever) of a class you see two or three hours a week, and then you see them a few seconds here and there outside of the classroom in the week.

>How is independent school teaching? I assume you are a fan of private schools?

It suits me, especially in a girls' school, because behaviour management is the aspect of teaching least suited to my personality and that I therefore abide the least. I prefer independent schools because I can just teach and the pupils are much less, in a word, malicious — they don't actively do things just to get on my nerves or disrupt the lesson. The only thing with girls is that while they behave better than boys, they don't tend to produce such interesting characters, and they tend to be motivated by grades more than by the subject in itself. You can have boys that are much more interested in a subject than girls but get worse grades because they just can't be arsed to do the work. Girls will know skits from "Horrible Histories" but the only Year 7s that will be able to recite the monarchs from Henry VIII to Elizabeth II or whatever will be the odd boy — at least that's how it is in History, I don't know about English.

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Yeah, it's definitely an interesting one. Pic rel compares non-FSM to FSM pupils for each ethnic group, which shows just how huge the gap is between middle-class and working-class white Brits compared to other ethnicities.

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That's some major projection going on there, user. And some people (like myself) genuinely like teaching - kids that age still (for the most part) haven't been crushed and demoralized by life yet

I've worked in a fair few Comps and my classroom management is appalling. My head of department gave me a bottom set Year 9 and a transition set (combined) to look after all day a week ago and by period 5 I felt like I'd aged 10 years. At one point I just blue screen of death'd and went into a stupor while the SEN TA kept squwarking at me to get the class under control.
I have no interest in training to be a teacher, this is a stop gap, but I'm intrigued by what life is like in a non comp. Ever worked in a Grammar school?

Teachers are probably the most vapid class of people I've yet encountered.

It shows two things:
1) The 5A* to C grades at GCSE is an absolutely terrible measure, because 3 of those grades can be in any subject (art, geography, history etc.), and the exams are not standardised (certain schools shop around for easier exam boards with more coursework, it's a total joke).
2) More ethnic minorities are on free school meals, broadening the talent pool in that designation.
I really wish the UK had a standardised test restricted to maths and literacy for 16 year olds.
The best we can look at is PISA results, which a representative sample are supposed to take.

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Are there any Mandarin teachers here?

UK A level results are also interesting, at least what little detail we get (3As... in any subject, great).
I'm surprised any travelers actually take A levels.

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Might as well ask, how do I get better ,at English?
>Inb4 Read, Communicate
Yeah I'll do that, but anything more specific, less vague?

>At one point I just blue screen of death'd and went into a stupor while the SEN TA kept squwarking at me to get the class under control.

I've known that feel, except without even a TA in the room. Collapsing into your chair with a look of utter despair on your face — eventually being the only thing that brings the class to a quiet as the pupils wonder if they've finally managed to break you down. What is your role, are you the coach from above? Are you often called upon to do supply?

>I have no interest in training to be a teacher, this is a stop gap, but I'm intrigued by what life is like in a non comp. Ever worked in a Grammar school?

No. My assumption is that it would be like an independent school, if not better. A lot of the remaining grammar schools are in unaffordable areas of the home counties so they might as well be independent.

Interesting stuff, thank you.

Why the gap in your opinion?

Class barrier, entitlement?

What?

dumb ESL user
Read the Trivium chart that these retarded teachers will never teach you properly.
Yes, I am not but it is clear that there must be some stupid English teachers that are at least lurking here given their own incompetency of doing their fucking job.
I seriously hope they get a lower salary soon given how many professors have to fix their shit.

>Yes, I am not but it is clear
>Yes
>I am not

I guarantee you are not a native speaker yourself. Maybe if you weren't staring at your classmates' asses you would have learned something

How much do you make now?

>. Maybe if you weren't staring at your classmates' asses
At least I had sex.

I'm a year away from getting a bachelors in English with a focus on writing. I've done some work writing newspapers and technical writing for a couple companies in the summer and anticipate to be a acedemic writing coach for my senior year.
Should I go for being an english teacher after this or do you think I could go for something else?

Learn a trade lol

literally no one respects english teachers. You write papers on the architectonics of metaphor in Spenser's Faery Queene, which no one will read.

I don't care about respect, why do you think I got this degree? I just want a passable stable job that isn't borgs.

Do you see the English professor browsing Yea Forums? This is your fate if you continue down this path. Considering the fact that you decided to pursue such a useless degree, you probably deserve it.

>I just want a passable stable job that isn't borgs
What do you mean by passable? Are you referring to how other people perceive your career choice? How women perceive your career choice? You should at least strive for something a bit better than passable, whatever it means.

Don't be a dramatic bitch, there's nothing wrong with this.
I mean what I say. A passable job that is not flipping burgers. I wanted a degree that my dumbass could pass, for a job my dumbass can do, that was a little better than degreeless options. What women and other people think of my job doesn't matter nearly as much as doing the work to get the job and getting stable with it.

Ah, so English majors really are the scum of this earth.
If anything, use your degree to teach in an Asian country. Especially if you're white, you'll get all the street cred and will likely earn more than your continental counterparts.

>I wanted a degree that my dumbass could pass
You were never meant to attend an institution of higher learning in the first place

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