Keats and Yeats are on your side

i agree with you on the pre and post bit, but is Obama just the marker (you kind of alluded to with the inevitability) or was he a catalyst?

excuse me for such a substanceless post, one in which i won't marshal evidence (drunk and nyquil is calling me to sleep), but i don't believe any of Obama's actions (intentionally) have precipitated our modern state (as well as our state of affairs).

Morrissey don't give a fuk

I couldn't fathom

fuck wilde

He'll never be Yea Forums. Pulling the bullshit he did with Penguin Classics permanently disqualifies him from being Yea Forums.

Or does it mean that he's exposed Penguin Classics as being a sham? In that case he's a genius.

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Why do you post this racist Nazi shithead?
Fuck off Yea Forums doesn't need you, we don't want racist garbage like you here.

cringe, cucked, schizo and bluepilled

this isn't reddit lad. If you want to be antiracist, which i fully welcome, then make an argument for antiracism, try to cite some books or papers, that show why you think the races are all the same and there is no argument to be made that they are different.

Otherwise take your idiocy back to wherever you came from

It's ironic that you accuse non-racists like me of mental illnesses.
Fuck off /pol/.

If you're this bad at picking out bait you really aren't the kind of person who should be telling others to leave the board

You can't make me leave this board, i have infested it for like 6 years, you're stuck iwth me.

>Please give arguments why you shouldn't hate people based on their skin color
Are you actually serious?

>cite some books or papers, that show why you think the races are all the same and there is no argument to be made that they are different.
Why should I bother with your scientific racism?
Even if it were true, and not just a far right conspiracy theory to justify their hatred, what would it matter?
Should you hate a black persons because blacks achieve less in school?
No, that's obviously retarded.

But I can call you out for being a racist shthead.
Maybe get a gf or go hit something to let out your anger at non-whites.

I didn't tell you to leave, I told you to shut the fuck up and lurk more
If you've genuinely been here for six years and still can't tell that pretty much every "uhm sweaty this nazi is cancelled" post is bait, then I don't know how you manage to both post and focus enough to not choke on your own saliva

>Everyone who isn't racist like me is a troll
LMAO, what the fuck is wrong with you?

are you telling me to get a non white gf and abuse her? that sounds pretty epic desu

Why do you choose to do this

Do you have any evidence or not user?

And if it was true then no you shouldn't hate black people, both because hate is pointless, and because each person is their own thing, not an abstraction of the totality of their race. Obviously you will treat people a bit different based on patterns you recognize in them, but you should always prefer what they show to you of themselves to any original conception you have of the class of people they belong to.

You seem rather new to this website and you dont understand that racism doesn't always originate from hate, but from simple observation of empirical evidence, observations which could of course be flawed, but which still have a weight of evidence that the opposite position- what i was asking you to post, evidence that there are no differences between races- has sadly failed to produce in sufficient quantity to belie the enormous amount of data showing races differences, as dissected by any reasonable person.

>and abuse her
No, but since you are filled with hatred that is all you seem to be able to think about, hate.

Not to mention in the same song he called out Israel

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Pic related is the only CITATION I need, fascist

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Is this legit? I did not know that Morrissey was an antisemite.

i have no anger at nonwhites at all user, many of my friends have been nonwhite, im racist because of information that seems to be credible.
Maybe im just a retard then, you still have to deal with me, im not going anywhere. I dont think that user was baiting, i believe he was sincere in his antiracist position, there are many on this board and in various raids, that espouse that position.

Holy shit

And that very singer also apparently spent a month isolated in his room

You can't argue, that's fine, most people can't, don;t hold it against yourself, you still have other worth as a person.

>Do you have any evidence or not user?
Evidence that hating people based on their skin color is retarded?
Are you demanding a scientific investigation into 2+2 being 4 next?

>racism doesn't always originate from hate
LOL.
Why else would you hate people based on their skin color?
Because that mean black guy once fucked the girl you had a crush on?

>but from simple observation of empirical evidence
What empirical evidence could POSSIBLY justify hating an entire race?

>you are filled with hatred
uhh actually I'm being cheeky and relaxed while you're getting mad with throbbing vein on your temple

the previous reply was my first post, I'm not the guy you started talking to

>i have no anger at nonwhites
>im racist
LMAO
Kill yourself Fascist.

Nobody is born equal. And races didn't evolve at the same pace. Get over it, fag

Do what?
Call out Racists?
Because it's what any good person does.

You should read Hitler's distinction between racism and racialism. Not everything with which you disagree is based in hate.

>You should read Hitler
How about "No" Fascist scum.

I am not talking about hate at all, just awareness that the races are different. Please try to separate the two in your mind.

It is not a matter of skin colour, it's a combination of psychological studies, mostly IQ, but also some other factors, and genetic facts about where humans have evolved. Skin colour correlates with some of these things, but Africa is very diverse genetically, and there are populations that are black that are far more removed from the Bantu, that then Bantu are from Europeans, the Bushmen and Pygmies are the two main ones.

I really don't, I don't hate a single soul, my religion is universal love towards even the worst people that exist in this world, which are certainly not the African population, but a subset of people of all races who have transgressed deeply, but I believe they did so of not their own volition. Africans could have more of these per capita, but those studies are not so clear as the ones about IQ, so judgment should be reserved. It wouldnt matter anyway, every single human deserves forgiveness, they know not what they do.

Enjoy wallowing in your ignorance and hatred, then.

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Even if someone is sincerely retarded enough to come to a place like Yea Forums and try to drain the ocean with a bucket, replying to them derails the thread and gives them exactly what they want
Case in point a(n admittedly already stupid) thread has been completely dismantled because now you fucking idiots are going to argue about racism, bring up nothing the other hasn't heard literally hundreds of times, and convince nobody of anything

>Can access arguments and try to destroy racism
>Won't because big book is by meanie

>If you aren't racist you are full of hate
That is why the only way you can get people into your side is propaganda.

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>meanie
Causing the gassing of 20+ million people isn't just being a "meanie" you fucking Neo-Nazi.

>>If you aren't racist you are full of hate
Classic misdirection with misrepresentation. I was responding to the tone of your insult, after having suggested literature to you that discusses a weak point in your rhetoric.

>every single human deserves forgiveness, they know not what they do.
There are always new lurkers on this board, and longtime members whose minds might be changed by a new look at an issue, expressed more clearly. I don't think it is ever wrong to express what you think is true.

The fact of the differences of the races is horrible and profound, but if we don't look at it, then nothing can be done, nothing at all will be solved if we think they are all the same.

we are all just human individuals in the end and it doesn't matter what race we belong to, we are judged by our actions in the real world, and by the inherent value we all have in us. It does not matter if we are black or white, or if those races are separate, or what we are within them, we are just individual people, who need love and harmony and understanding, and not conflict, and that I believe more than anything else in this world.

Many a black man is immeasurably better in the ways our societies see than a white man, what does it matter the averages. And that betterness is not the true thing that unites us all anyway, it isn't what we really want.

Oh yeah? Well at least he accomplished something. What have you accomplished of that scale? You could learn a thing or two from a man who knows how to get things done. And hint: he didn't get that way by sleeping in until 4 in the afternoon each day. He got up and made something of himself.

>Well at least he accomplished something
What a great defense of the Holocaust.
"Yes I killed Millions of people, but at least I did something".

LNAO

>the differences of the races is horrible
What if it's beautiful?

Yes user you're very noble and wise. Why didn't you realize after like the fifth post that the guy you were replying to was just going to yell about nazis for no reason and not engage?
Every board has a handful of these guys who post the same low-effort shit in every thread and guarantee that they get replies. /sci/ had a guy who would just say "Why the homophobia?" to every post containing the word faggot and he successfully derailed threads for months. YOU are contributing to making Yea Forums shittier by allowing this to go on.

Okay, how about something we all can agree on: If Trump wins in 2020 then it will have been totally and utterly rigged. Literally think for a moment: who do you know who actually wants to vote for him? EXACTLY.

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>who do you know who actually wants to vote for him?
Almost everyone that I know will vote for him.

I don't think it is because i think beauty is fleeting, strange, and particular, but united in what we all are, we can all know beauty.
Maybe I am just making the website worse but I was just doing what I can, with this very hurtful dichotomy between truth and the accepted ideas of our days.

Dont think so unkindly of me just for my doing that, I am only trying to heal. And the antiracists do have a point at times, they might be wrong about facts, but their intentions seem like they want things to go tother better.

I am not noble or wise, i am broken and tired, but i just dont see how to solve this issue anymore or which other platform I could make its meaning understood in. I am dying from lack of options and personal failure, dont begrudge me this one way of making sense of things that still has people that will respond in some way.

I think you are doing the same thing user, and you shouldn't hate me because i do it differently, are we so far apart you and i, or are we just trying to do one thing, but we don;t how to make it what we want, so we do it in ways that cause harm.

Not him, but I use these shit threads as a way of studying dialectics.

ohhhkay... I think it's time for you to look for some new friends then

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>If Trump wins in 2020 then it will have been totally and utterly rigged
The only people he genuinely uppset, which didn't hate him anyway, are the far right.
I doubt their vote matters much.

If you stop chooing to give (You)s to absurdly low-effort posts designed to enrage people, they stop making them

>The only people he genuinely upset ... are the far right
Even you can't believe that

Believe it or not, the Boomers are still shilling for him...

His actual base doesn't really seem to care.

Okay but seriously, Morrissey is not a nazi

Not anyone with which you have been conversing, but;
>I was just doing what I can, with this very hurtful dichotomy between truth and the accepted ideas of our days
This is intentionally embedded in the framing of the common paradigms of acceptable discourse on the subject. Many who argue against you in such ways are innocent and do so out of ignorance. Not only do they give you canned responses, but they expect canned responses in return.
>And the antiracists do have a point at times
Their hearts are usually in the right place - though, at times, they can only see you as the bogeyman that they have conjured. Henry Ford captures your humility pretty well and he makes some pretty good arguments. Hitler covers the dialectics pretty well, though he is more animated due to his life experiences - and often presents as brusque.

Why did he share that alt-right video then?

Let the lyrics speak for themselves.

Huh, I didn't realize Morrissey was a memeber of the Nazi Party (English: /ˈnɑːtsi, ˈnætsi/),[5] was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of National Socialism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

Fine, he is a Neo-Nazi.
Alright?

>Huh, I didn't realize Morrissey was a memeber of
I never said that he was. That strawman belongs to you. Besides, they did not self reference as "Nazi Party". Please, find me an emblem that they produced with this name on it. "Nazi" is an epithet attached to them by Social Democrats. I only said:
>Let the lyrics speak for themselves
You inferred all of the rest.

What do you suggest I go toward then user?

There's nothing wrong with being more loyal to your own family than someone else's

If you have not read Ford then I suggest that you do so. I was a little high strung and his perspective helped me relax a bit. The world is a big place. You cannot fix everything on your own. Do not take it personally. That is just how it is. Live your life as you best see fit and, though you will always have problems, at least you do not need to answer to your own conscience about the decisions that you made. Also:
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what a boring post

Maybe the real boredom was the anons you met along the way.

>and if you think peace
>is a common goal
>that goes to show
>how little you know

thats why you will never be based morrisey

So much of cultural change is nothing more than a belief that things have changed. Obama owed a lot of favors. Biggest thing was 1. Healthcare (which is more Pelosi) and 2. ISIS (which is more what he failed to do. He's pretty responsible for the migrant crisis, though, again, has more to do with favors owed than any real intent of his own, (his ideas would have been much more radical).