Books women passionately hate

I automatically don’t trust anyone that says Junot fucking Diaz is a good author (or Margaret Atwood. Fuck that bitch)

you forgot dog books

Anything containing truth or value

So it's just what (((they))) want you to read? Roger that.

Anything considered Yea Forums. Their typically open to trash and mock classical literature labelling thw works "not of the time". Cook books and romance novel prove more useful to them when compared to the "grandpa idea machine" that is the philosophy trap.

I would say that isn't a very nice post since it includes Bury Pink Girl but you also aren't wrong.
I also believe Monster Musume is a New York Times bestseller, so do with that what you will.

They just don't get it

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Not even homosexuals get it. Moby-Dick is a book strictly for the thinking straight manly man.

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I asked my mom if she would like to read any non-fiction of anything not written by Nora Roberts and I just got that fluoride stare.

Monster Musume is published by Seven Seas which owned ultimately by the Holtzbrinck Publishing Group.

Yen Press is owned by Hachette, also one of the largest, which is in turned owned by a larger corporation.

If they were indie, you would have a point.

monster musume is true high art tho

even worse are the homosexuals who think they get it and that the book is pro-homosex

my gf is really into marxist and postmodern philosophy and right now we’re reading a thousand plateaus together. probably helps that we both have aspergers but whatever

to be fair the author was pretty fucking gay dude
" feel that this Hawthorne has dropped germinous seeds into my soul. He expands and deepens down, the more I contemplate him; and further, and further, shoots his strong New-England roots into the hot soil of my Southern soul."

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You're seeing homosexuality where 19th century men saw camaraderie and friendship.

The subtext is undeniable, even for the time.

I read a super-triggered review of Cryptonomicon by a woman. She criticized its way of dealing with race, religion, sex, women...

It's as if she didn't understand that literature is about depicting a character or certain views and ideas, and letting the reader think for themselves and decide if they agree with those ideas, or if society at large should agree with them.

Just because one main character needs to fuck women for his brain to function, doesn't mean the author says all women are objects. The author just portrays an individual with a certain trait.

>feel that this Hawthorne has dropped germinous seeds into my soul.
Kek

"Even for the time"? How can you tell?

I thought Southerners were macho men??

How do women feel about Faulkner?

Melville was a New Yorker. Hawthorne was a New Englander and therefore more Northern.

>I thought Southerners were macho men??

They are, and that quotation is super macho.

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He has plenty of female fans but most of them prefer O'Conner for obvious reasons, even though she was more conservative than Faulkner.

I really didn't get this line on the back cover synopsis.

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dis whale nigga gay as fuck

A pernicious lie

I was there, I witnessed it. Reincarnation.

Yeah, but that's because women have the most to lose if patriarchy is gone
so many things are wrong and incorrect about this statemeant. "Marxism" is not a philosophy, even Marxists argue this, and, postmoderenism is not a concrete school of thought

this is what I'm talking about. Sure there's """subtext""" but it's just Melville playing it for laughs. People forget that humans had a sense of humor in the 1800's, and Moby Dick is a genuinely hilarious book.
I will never forget listening two girls in a lit class I took blabbering about how Queequeg and Ishmael were CLEARLY gay and my retarded professor acting like they were making great points. The discussion ended with something about how Ahab's leg being phallic. This is the level you are on.

are you a real woman?

That is how I feel, as well. It certainly is enmeshed in the liberalism of its time, complete with extended metaphors of all men as being a part of a great joint-stock corporation of the living, but I do not see the book as essentially or intentionally political. The person who wrote that back cover is a blockhead.

The homosexual sub-text in moby dick is a meme. The subtext of this quote is real.

That is my girlfriend's hand and foot. I made her hold the book while I took a picture so that I would get replies to a thread I made. It was not very successful.

I had a prof who did his master's thesis on Moby Dick and had a huge, full sleeve Moby Dick tattoo. We read the book for the class and he argued that one of the main points of the book was that it was pro-democracy and the the Pequod was analogous to America and it's melting pot of races and culture and each member of the crew represented a different state. He never actually explained this idea further in depth but repeated it every other class.

All is infected that the infected spy, as all is jaundiced to the yellow eye

She's disecting a work wich focuses on the seperations and divisions between peoples. Imagine maternity repelent the anime. In her mind the cryptonomicon might as well be the devil's work.

does she have a cock?

>Pro-democracy
>A novel about a bunch of people being bent to the will of an onerous tyrant
Four question marks

FPBP
Women can't into reality

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>He doesn't remember Bush nailing a giant doubloon to the Washington monument as a reward for whoever first spotted Bin Laden

gotta have Aspergers to even think postmodern thought makes sense in any way, shape, or form.

Obviously Lolita.

Non-fiction is literally most plebeian form of literature, not counting poetry. If you need an idea force-fed you rather than witnessing it dramatized, you're a brainlet with zero sensitivity to art and experience.

Why is it that plebs read fiction?

For escapism.

women love books about men devoted to sluts

>If you need an idea force-fed you rather than witnessing it dramatized, you're a brainlet with zero sensitivity to art and experience.
This dude here only speaks on parables and fables.

hegel
freud
kafka for some reason

i'd say Lolita too.
check the reviews on goodreads or search it on twitter, they publicly hate it but probably got wet reading it, for the few who actually read it.

most non fiction would be ridiculous and laborious to put in story form

Laborious, maybe; not ridiculous. If dramatized by a competent fiction writer, that is. If it's a hard job learning through fiction, that's fine. Fiction's main objective is truth, and good fiction emulates experience. If the reader isn't working at least half as hard as the writer, he's doing it wrong.

Definitely the Kreutzer Sonata.

not true, lolita is one of the only books women read. bitches in their 20s be reading lolita like "oo im lolita". bitch u ain't loli ur just mentally retarded

>Books women passionately hate
Anything that a) true or b) beautiful

Especially Twitter. One woman said to me that the book is >>bad

wat

women literally finger themselves while reading Lolita

how are you going to write fiction books about biology, economics, investment strategies, computer science, history, physics, farming, law, current geopolitical situations, etc. And have them be as good quality in regards to conveying information as non fiction

I like Cryptonomicon.
I'm reading this rn and genuinely enjoy it.
Have you ever spoken to a woman before?
The only book I can think of that I genuinely disliked reading was Atlas Shrugged.

chicks with dicks don't count, faggot

Can I lick your feet, Mistress?

yeah but they're not allowed to say they love it so they hate it for all the "rape" and misogyny.

The only woman I've ever spoken to liked Atlas Shrugged. I therefore conclude you are not a woman.

>dead white guy books
>icky rape books
>gross racist books

Why do people even hate the whaling parts? They're the best part of the book.

Whaling is like, wrong, okay? It's 2019 you know? We protect wildlife now.

You're deliberately splitting hairs, user. When a person on Yea Forums mentions "non-fiction" they're referring largely to philosophy, memoir, essay or criticism.

>You're lying user! When we say non-fiction we don't actually mean non-fiction!
Also how the fuck are you going to write a memoir if it's fiction? Are you just going to lie?

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Stop reading literature by old white men!

I doubt any females have read it yet, but if they even can and ever do, it will make them seethe.

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You're on a literature board, you dumbass. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Anons... you do realize that college literature/writing/english classes and degrees are predominantly taken by women, right? At my uni, women make up two third of the people taking Yea Forums related classes, including in the classics department.

Yeah, some of them are only interested in the post-modern, feminist variety of literature but the strong majority of them are reading and enjoying the classical canon.

If you actually got out of your mom's basement you might find that literate, educated women actually outnumber men (at least in the younger generation).

Explain to me how you faggots are going to write fiction about philosophy, essay, or criticism with the same degree of informational compactness and clarity as you would find in a non-fiction book. Also how are you going to write a memoir if you're writing fiction? Are you just going to lie about everything that happened?

they're obviously being hyperbolic, lady, calm down, it's a joke

Tbh a lot of the people in my literature classes had shitty points most of the time, not just women.

>I'm a woman!!!!!
>I took a literature class!!
>I wrote about transgenderism in Shakespeare!!!
>I took a classics class!!
>I wrote about misogyny in Virgil!!!
>I have a vagina!!!

Women know how to ape being educated, but they don't actually understand anything. It's like if you had a dog that you could teach to use a typewriter.

Underrated.

post feet

What the absolute FUCK?!
Ahab leads his ship and it's crew to ruin with his own personal retarded obsession with taking revenge on an animal. It's the least democratic thing ever.
Fuck!

I think you might be wrong friend.

The book has multiple chapters on how Ahab has to seize political power beyond his sanctioned authority (the economic purpose of whales) to achieve his private goal. As an Andrew Jackson figure (which Ishmael explicitly says he is), Ahab has to generate an ideology / myth to solicit his crew's consent, however contradictory this goal is to their best interests. He is constantly paranoid of rebellion on behalf of Starbuck and mutiny on behalf of his crew.

If anything, the novel is not a hymn to democracy but a high-minded warning against it, beyond what Melville's contemporaries could imagine. But to say it's not political would be to have an extremely narrow criteria of political, I think.

I don't think its pro-democracy as a political system for electing authority (if anything, it shows how quickly this slips into disaster). But Ishmael certainly embraces a democratic philosophy in that he cherishes the utmost respect for literally anybody, which he tells us in the first chapter: "Not ignoring what is good, I am quick to perceive a horror, and could still be social with it--would they let me--for it is good to be on friendly terms with all the inmates of the place one lodges in." And I think the novel is an attempt to see how far one can take that idea, because how else can we account for a ship that Melville has taken great pains to fill with representatives from literally every single culture, far beyond the bounds of what a standard whaling ship of the time would entail? I think the Pequod is definitely analogous to America as a melting pot, but your prof would really have to some blindspots to ignore the fact that the ship literally fucking sinks itself.

.... off yourself anglo

>Authoritarianism in the polis and letting one man's personal retarded obsession overrule the common interests of the state leads to complete destruction
>Starbuck tries to offer a course of action and gets a musket in his face

Gee I don't know, maybe things would have been different if Queeqeug had gotten a vote

Maybe that shows why democracy is a good thing? I dunno, I'm from /aco/ and only read smutty captions.

This. It's east to read MD as a critique of authoritarianism. This is especially true in the chapter where Ishmael claims that whalers are what make kings and also by the fact that the entire reason Starbuck chooses not to kill Ahab is because doing so would sink him down to Ahab's level-- As only God rather than man can ever judge a person's character. Let's also not forget that the labour of the women who helped stock the Pequod for it's journey is considered to be of equal importance to the labour of the men. The Pequod's journey should have been successful, but it failed because Ahab believed he could defy God and nature.

An understanding of Transcendentalism and Christianity is needed to fully understand how Moby Dick is an egalitarian novel.

Cringe and copepilled

Not going to lie you are ruining this book for me.

Ruining how exactly?

there are clear homo themes in the book, lad. Especially in the beginning. You are in hard denial if you can't even see that.

hgaaa

>Have you ever spoken to a woman before?
Once. It was disappointing.

>I'm not being naive
Holy Jesus, meek and mild.

>Moby-Dick is about democracy.
That's just people trying to force a view point because it's "the great American novel." I got very Milton-esque Paradise Lost vibes instead of some moronic conflation about the Pequod and the United States.

you are 99% correct

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Sadly accurate. Extremely accurate.
t. Lit degree

This post was made by the Jordan Peterson Gang

>postmoderenism is not a concrete school of thought
>"Marxism" is not a philosophy

But it is a classification of somewhat similar or related ideas, topics and concept. There is literally nothing wrong with saying you are interested in postmodern thought, just as well you can say you are interested in literature from 1800s or german poetry etc.

And if marxist ideas do not fit into your definition of philosophy in any way, you are either misinformed or have a really strange concept of philosophy.

NYT list is a meme. Peterson got deleted from it because he is a nazi even though his book was easily the best-selling book of that time

They have gratitude and arent likely to be so doubtful of literature choice. Some people exist in the outside world outside the insitution. Fiction works are entirley inventive and reflective of the times the authors live in.

Have sex

This is kind of where I am. Faustian themes of trying to know the unknowable, monomania, overcome the impossible, fathom what is beyond comprehension. To make of it a political parable seems.. reductive in the worst sense, to make something which touches on the grandest things a mere newspaper political cartoon. I don't like it.

Imagine the fictional realm as a controled enviroment for any applied theory.

Who's teaching the courses?

Yes. They also aren't so origional. They're more likely to operate under a set example than set a new standard.

Sure but the book can be about two things right?

I'm not saying its about democracy, but its not not about democracy. And imo everywhere that Paradise Lost traces in the novel is when the novel is thinking the hardest about democracy. Who should be in charge? Who should we trust? Sure lib-arts profs try to say M takes egalitarianism for granted, and that it should be the people and that kumbaya is the first and last moral principle; but M explicitly takes nothing for granted, is anxious to the deepest heart of anxiousness about what we can take for granted, and finds itself in Satan's position but has no idea which way is rebellion, which way is temptation, and which way is redemption.

I agree but imo a large part of the stakes for Melville's epistemological dilemma was how we are to govern, which is something like who are we to trust? And his only answer is that there is no answer. People who try to say that Melville explicitly takes a stance (as if there was a deciphered message to MD) play exactly into Melville's game in that they are only seeing what they want to see.

How big is her dick?

You preach disjointed drivel in a desperate display to feign intelligence. Anyone making arguments based on the non-falsifiable should be hung and shot.

Imagine being so cloistered off from the real world that you think simply working effectively as a team is socialist

Have you not read Moby Dick? Ahab's leg is connected to his phallic obsession because it's revealed that Ahab, when he was first getting used to his new leg, slipped and hurt his cock. His revenge is, in part, due to his loss of virility

Damn I see this so often it hurts. Writing about trans stuff in Shakespeare is low hanging fruit. If they at least give good sources/citations it will net you a B because I'm so tired of reading it

nice cope
why would you waste time reading a story and make wild guesses about the authors message and intentions when you can take away just as much if not more from a single line of unambiguous nonfiction text.
and if you do enjoy them for the language and art then poetry is most likely better quality. it just really depends theres a lot of super shallow and edgy shit out there but some is really good. so basically what you're saying is wrong on both.
just admit that fantasy is escapism 99% of the time. its fine. we all like to distract ourselves sometimes. some of those world are pretty cool and interesting.they can inspire you to think about things. but all that guessing and interpreting is just pseudobullshit. learning a lession from a book is like being convinced by an anecdote.

I agree with you that Melville's wit is an under appreciated part of Moby Dick, and that Queequeg's introduction is quite funny, but just because it’s funny doesn’t mean that it can't be taken seriously as well. Ishmael is getting in touch with his primal side which serves as an important moment for Ishmael's character before boarding the Pequod, and if you've read Typee you'll know that Melville's appreciation for indigenous cultures (South Pacific specifically) extended far into his life. It's hard not to see homoeroticism between Ishmael and Queequeg, and a sexual unification makes the marriage of savage and civilized more poignant for me.

imagine thinking that socialism is democracy

Sorry you have such a stick up your ass that all it takes is hearing someone say a few ideas on an anonymous board for you to reach for the rope. I seriously hope you're just a prick and don't actually believe that, because I cannot even begin to imagine how fucking fussy you'd be trying to read MD and clipping out everywhere you see a non-falsifiable claim.

Also sick quadruple alliteration bro, hope you didn't waste it all on me and have some of that topshelf shit saved for the next time someone tells you they like Freud

>Insulting my alliteration.
It comes naturally, you naive nit.

>tfw he probably told her to aim for the liver but she's dumb i.e. a woman

read hegel you pseud

that's in australia

Oh good lord, how are you this bad at reading? I was saying fiction is superior to nonfiction in the way of experience, not relaying scientific information. And where the fuck did you see me saying memoir was fiction?

>Non-fiction is literally most plebeian form of literature, not counting poetry. If you need an idea force-fed you rather than witnessing it dramatized, you're a brainlet with zero sensitivity to art and experience.
ALL PEOPLE WHO READ NON FICTION ARE BRAINLETS BECAUSE IDEAS SHOULD BE DRAMATISED
vs
>fiction is superior to nonfiction in the way of experience, not relaying scientific information

yeah not even politicians could get away with twisting their own words to this degree

I'd guess most Burroughs' books

If you are convinced then what is the issue?

I didnt believe it, so i showed my gf the picture of the book without telling her about OPs greentext.
She rolled her eyes.

Kino OP.

>kafka
the first thing that came to my mind

Good post

>pulpy food-themes murder mysteries w/recipes included
FUCK YOU NIGGER THAT SHIT IS MY JAM

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school =/= education

>Maybe that shows why democracy is a good thing?
how so?

Yes - because the study of literature permits mediocrity. You cannot fail out of a literature degree like you can with a STEM degree. You'll also notice that the professors for those courses are largely male. None of the girls taking the course will amount to anything in the field. Not that they would've amounted to anything in STEM anyway - they themselves are, at a deeper level, aware of their own mediocrity.

>"I don't know anything about Deacon Deuteronomy or his meeeting," said I, "all I know is, that Queequeg here is a born member of the First Congregational Church. He is a deacon himself, Queequeg is."

"Young man," said Bildad sternly, "thou art skylarking with me - explain thyself, thou young Hittite. What church dost thee mean? answer me."

Finding myself thus hard pushed, I replied. "I mean, sir, the same ancient Catholic Church to which you and I, and Captain Peleg there, and Queequeg here, and all of us, and every mother's son and soul of us belong; the great and everlasting First Congregation of this whole worshipping world; we all belong to that; only some of us cherish some queer crotchets noways touching the grand belief; in that we all join hands."

Wow butchered that green text lemme fix that:

>"I don't know anything about Deacon Deuteronomy or his meeeting," said I, "all I know is, that Queequeg here is a born member of the First Congregational Church. He is a deacon himself, Queequeg is."

>"Young man," said Bildad sternly, "thou art skylarking with me - explain thyself, thou young Hittite. What church dost thee mean? answer me."

>Finding myself thus hard pushed, I replied. "I mean, sir, the same ancient Catholic Church to which you and I, and Captain Peleg there, and Queequeg here, and all of us, and every mother's son and soul of us belong; the great and everlasting First Congregation of this whole worshipping world; we all belong to that; only some of us cherish some queer crotchets noways touching the grand belief; in that we all join hands."

This is observably false. It simply counts sales. The publishing companies can manipulate the list based on release dates, collusion with other publishers, etc.

>when he shed the narrator...
Nigga wut. Homosex brainlet

Imagine liking Atlas Shrugged

Thank you for giving me a chance to easily prove you wrong. I went to join my school's book club a long time ago, and I was the only member to show up. We put up posters and were able to gather two more members, but we had a good time. In total it was two men, two women. We discussed and debated on which books to read and we ended up reading Frankenstein, Dracula, 20,000 leagues under the sea. It was a great time and the women gave great insight and fellow analysis.

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Okay, now this is epic.

It counts certain sales at certain times from certain locations and excludes certain books for certain reasons. There have been many well-publicized controversies about this.

oh wow, a girl who is into postmodern French faggots.
Girls only read those and that's all anything before them is boring or problematic.

Bruh moment

Junot Diaz's writing style is un-fucking-bearable.

>guy fucks a 12 year old
>puts the word rape (the thing he does) in quotation marks

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But seriously, do women really say that? Where can you find such brainlets so I can feel better about myself and the things I read.

The tunnel by sabato

>pulpy food-themed murder mysteries w/recipes included
rec plz

Any reasonable man also passionately hate that book.

hm I actually really like kafka and have met other females that do as well

>pulpy food-themes murder mysteries w/recipes included
wait that sounds like fun
are they all about murder or are there less violent crimes?

>avoid reading something because you think (((they))) are pushing it
>believe some random user on a indonesian cuniform scroll forum.

based retardo.

>That europoor synopsis
>Tfw euros have to lie to their citizenry to make everything match their manufactured zeitgeist
>Tfw euro readers have to be assured it's only the best novel written BY AN AMERICAN
Yikes and britpilled

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Joyce
Ballard
Burroughs
Raymond Roussel
Alfred Jarry
Gertrude Stein
Nick Land
DFW