Well, exactly a month before I become a wizard. What are some good but depressing books on being a friendless wizard?
(I was following some wizard's path on trying to fix his life and lack of sex life and in the end all that happened was that he became /fit/ and had sex with a prostitute. He did not gain friends or a gf. He regretted having the prostitute.)
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
1 book? That's depressing. And it's only 5 chapters long.
>He regretted having the prostitute.
Why?
Naiv Super is pretty neet-core, but it ends up sorta upbeat. The Hungarian novel Skylark is femcel-core, but a lot of the focus is on the parents.
It was a number of things. I think he enjoyed the experience which ultimately made him more depressed.
>neet-core
I have a job man, and it ends upbeat how?
Inside Mr Enderby.
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youtube.com
youth ends at about 27 I'd say. The age between 27 and 65 may define serious business, thus I'd consider mature novels and novellas on life: Klingsor's last summer by Hermann Hesse explains beauty of advanced life. The Chess Novella by Stefan Zweig is about winning not against other men but against your past and weaknesses.
Butcher's Crossing by John Williams offers you a new perspective on decisions you took or opportunities to decide you missed. And then there's always Ulysses.
>This bar was the haunt of all local lesbians over fifty.
Man's going to odd places.
What’s the reading level of Butchers Crossing? Would a Louis Lamour loving boomer enjoy it?
Definitely. Although it is most essentially an anti-western, because it points at the downfall of the wild west, the stupidity of capitalism combined with hunting, and at the individual loneliness you have to suffer..., there IS a fuckload of time to suck up western atmosphere, salloon whore ass crack juice, and horse riding, as well as some good ol' rootin'-tootin' shootin'.
Cheers for the response friend.
Robert Neville is pretty good
Positive disintegration is what I’m reading now it’s pretty good
Alan Watts “The Book” was the very very first book that was pretty good
Lobe you fren
Oh you weren’t asking about literal magic
Are they relatively contemporary?
not that this should bother you in any way, but the answer is relatively so, as they're all from the 20th century.
Section 2 of Part 4 in Tolkien's Unfinished Tales "The Istari." Istari are what the wizards are called in Quenya.
>He did not gain friends or a gf. He regretted having the prostitute
You should definitely read Houellebecq's Whatever (terrible title translation desu):
>“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.”
>"It's been hopeless for a long time, from the very beginning. You will never represent, Raphaël, a young girl's erotic dream. You have to resign yourself to the inevitable; such things are not for you. It's already too late, in any case. The sexual failure you've known since your adolescence, Raphaël, the frustration that has followed you since the age of thirteen, will leave their indelible mark. Even supposing that you might have women in the future - which in all frankness I doubt - this will not be enough; nothing will ever be enough. You will always be an orphan to those adolescent loves you never knew. In you the wound is already deep; it will get deeper and deeper. An atrocious, unremitting bitterness will end up gripping your heart. For you there will be neither redemption nor deliverance. That's how it is."
No one asked but I'll explain it further anyway: like I said he enjoyed the experience and the hooker told him she came twice, it was at this point he realized that he'll only ever get that level of intimacy if he pays for it, not to mention the fact he'll never know if she actually came.
And beyond just the sexual aspect, since the thing I was following wasn't your usual internet angry virgin, he knows he'll never experience his youth i.e. young love, being with friends, etc.
While I agree with the second part, the first part I don't know. I feel like there's less losers around.
Please don't let this thread die.
Okay. But I need to sleep soon. Take care of it for me.
>nearly 30 and he hasn't gone wenching yet
>less losers around
What did he mean by this?
He thinks there's not many incels. He's wrong of course. ~30% of men in the past did not reproduce.
Notes from the Underground?
>Giving up like a faggot
lol, no one will wanna bang a depressed dude my man.
Talking about nowadays.
Wenching? You mean seeing a hooker?
Yes nowadays there aren't many like us. But we used to be a bigger club
>waiting for someone irl to meet you when normies do it online
This is why we messed up bros. Nothing ever comes to you if you sit and wait for it.
>This is why we messed up bros.
Problem is, at that point in time in the 00s and 90s meeting someone online was seen as a really sad thing to do for saddos and cat ladies.
Really shouldn't have given a fuck what the normalfags thought. And now it's bitten me in the ass.
Too late now. All I want to do now is be away from people.
It's not too late though. It's just kind of frustrating because I feel like the internet is my domain
At fucking 30 as a wizard that innocent and naive and new bit of your life is gone and you can't try again. You're inexperienced and most people aren't going to wait for you to catch up.
I'm tired.
It's not about the experience or the act, it's more about meeting the right person. Finding the right person wouldn't be easy. But that's the first and most important step.
Finding A person shouldn't take 30 years, finding the right person is a different thing.
read debord and baudilard
That's like a default recommendation, every reject outcast has read that.
The fuck they got to do with anything?
I'm curious as to how this relates to my own experience. Okay, so there's something like a dozen to 14 women I've been with...
J - high school
A - work
C - technically through family
S? - high school
L - online
Jea - online
S - through 'friends' (room mate, a dick)
K - at a pub (and kinda cucked a friend of hers who wanted her, a beta)
D - at a pub (wild 3 first days...)
F - online (possibly worst sex of my life)
J2 - online
P - at a pub (heavily regret this last one...)
C - through a friend... some regret, but mostly because of the lost friendship
Alright, I'll go with a dozen since these are the only ones I can recall right now. Looks like mostly online, so that checks out. Then the next most common is at pubs, then school, and the rest are even.
Well, the graph seems reasonably accurate to my findings. Still pretty sure I'm forgetting one or two but meh. OH! Remembered one. So that's another through friends, tying it with high school.
>14 women
>wizard thread
You here to taunt us?
You know how much work it takes to make a woman cum? You have to flick that clit in a set progression of varying intensities until she's on the brink. Only then can you go crazy and wiggle your tongue like a motor boat to make her climax. That prostitute was lying (which is obvious because she wants to make money [I bet the guy tipped her way too] much).
Monogamy works, and it also gives me pride to see that men tend to be more faithful than women across the board. Seems like they were onto something before bringing about no-fault divorce with 2nd wave feminism.
Harry Potter
Kekked
>13% more faithfulness among promiscuous men than promiscuous women
>WE NEED TO TAKE AWAY ALL WOMEN RIGHTS
zzzzzz have you looked at the huge drops after polygamy for both? Maybe that's something important
Bah, it's nonsense to force people to remain in marriages they don't want to be in.
I should be left to individuals whether they want to be monogamous
Nice trips. I suppose in a way it's kinda flexing, but man, it's not all it's cracked up to be. I don't know if it's my alcoholism or if I'm just getting tired of sex, but the last 3 women mentioned, I could barely get hard and didn't climax. To be fair, the F I put in because I couldn't remember her name but she was by far the fattest chick I ever banged. I could scarcely get hard, but we DID manage to fuck, and it sucked. To her credit though, perhaps unsurprisingly, she did know how to use her mouth. But damn, I tried giving her a foot-rub and it was awful, but not as bad as the smell of her cooch. Terrible. J2 was a leftist who took climate change VERY seriously, and she outright told me she wanted to choke me when I started questioning it. She herself had a choke fetish.
As for P, again, can't remember her name... but she pissed herself in my bed... twice... and I later found out she pissed at the pub I met her at, outside on the balcony, but I was so utterly loaded that I couldn't remember. I even bought her like 3 beer, one of which was around $8-10, which she didn't even finish, AND she got me to buy her something to eat (I'm sure she wanted a $30 meal at a restaurant but I left it to a hotdog on the street), AND she demanded we get a cab to my place even though it was just up the hill, AND she tried to get me to buy her a pack of smokes but thankfully the store was closed. Awful to talk to, I think she probably had some kinda learning disability of sorts, had such a dead look in her eyes when she watched TV while she ate. Can't believe I let her stay at my place a 2nd day/night. I made her cum several times, I enjoy doing it to women, to make them my play thing. She never made me cum a single time in those 2 days. Spotted her on the bus a few months ago, didn't even make eye-contact and didn't want to talk to her. Fuck that noise. She was ultimately banned from the pub I met her at, I think she has a bad reputation, might have a piss fetish. Don't know.
So it's not all sunshine and roses, that first at the top of the list (because it's more-or-less chronological) ended up cheating on me after 1.5 years. Vicious girl, which doubly hurt because I was so naive that I thought she was like an angel on Earth, could do no wrong... fool. Legit, for months after the awful break-up, I thought I was losing my mind. Murderous thoughts so often for the fucker she cheated on me with. The 'A', after her though? One of the youngest chicks I ever banged, definitely one of the thinnest, a redhead at that, and to this DAY is the best lay of my life. God bless her, I'd love to see her again... but honestly I'm absolutely sick of sleeping around. The last C was on last Halloween, again I didn't finish though it did feel good, it caused me a good friendship... no more flings. The next woman I bed, I want her to be the last, to be the woman that I marry. Frankly I wish I had my shit together sooner and would already be married with children now.
Which of these books tell us of an age gone past. A wasted youth, that cannot be apologized for. A middle aged life that you're not prepared for because you wasted your youth
>take away all women's rights
>no-fault divorce
Way to mountain-up that molehill, leftie.Then again, it's a molehill that's been the direct destruction of countless families in the past 50+ years... even no-fault divorce aside, the feminist ideology has destroyed many families as well, including my own. Man-hating mother, poisoned my little sister with the ideology, which poisoned her against me for being a male even though when she was a child per-indoctrination we would hug each other when we saw one another in the halls of primary school. By middle school, she hated me. Last I had seen her was about 2013, and my life has been better off for it. Last I had seen my feminist mother was 2016, and again, tragically, my life is better off for it. It should not be that way, but because of feminism, it is. It truly is a cancer on the West, and we need a return to traditional values, to Christianity.
"'til death do you part". Just like it says on the tin. As far as I'm concerned, divorce should not be legally allowed unless AT LEAST both parties agree to it. If one refuses, then the other must provide evidence of adultery or physical abuse. If the couple wants to keep the option of breaking up on the table, don't get married, simple. Marriage USED to be a serious institution and statistics bear out that it is for the best for all involved, children most of all. Children raised in single parent households (usually single mother households) have been found to be FAR more likely to become murderers, rapists, drug abusers, repeat arsonists, or to commit suicide, according to studies done since the 1960s-70s up today. Indeed today, roughly 80% of US prisoners were raised in single parent households.
Marriage works, divorce doesn't, and divorce should be viewed as an emergency last-ditch effort in the face of serious danger. Instead, it's viewed as the go-to when one of the two spouses decides to say "I'm not happy." So what? Life is difficult, people get sick, people die, there's often economic highs and lows, sometimes you have and sometimes you have not. Stop your damn crying and realize that the one hurt most by divorce are the children, by far, and that's even considering how AWFUL men are treated in divorce court.
If we're to fix the West, we need to fix divorce laws, and start teaching in schools how serious marriage is, how beneficial it can be, and how TOXIC divorce is. Anyone who 'celebrates' divorce should be God damned ashamed of themselves because if it was truly awful enough to legitimize the divorce, they should just be happy to be out of the situation they had so foolishly gotten themselves into but still mourn over poor decisions due to the hardships any children involved will have to go through. If they can truly get up and go out and smile and laugh and drink and party and be happy, and can afford to do so... chances are, that divorce was unnecessary and was put through selfishly, neglecting any children involved.
I guess. But women do deserve equal rights
Oh, right, 'wizard'. I just got the full context. Honestly I just found the image interesting that I had seen and so replied to it. I actually genuinely feel kinda bad now...
>look at me.
You're a narcisst.
Fuck off, you're the reason now virgins are called incels. Feels like the worst era to become a wizard.
Women have more rights than men these days, and modern women of the West are the most coddled and protected and PRIVILEGED women in human history, which makes it all the more sickening that such privileged feminist women show such disdain and malice towards men even though it's men who developed so much of the technology, designed/built so many of the structures, and does the lion's share of the work in keeping the electricity on, the plumbing working, the internet running, etc.
There are not equal rights; men are disadvantaged in a variety of ways. Women have become the primary gender in advanced education, boys who need to roughhouse and play with one another to naturally develop as intended are told that they can't, basically pushing boys to try and be more like girls. Then women are given lower standards when trying to join the Military (of which I had tried and was rejected twice), the entire concept of 'affirmative action' is sexist against men and racist against Whites and also happens to have become racist against Asians but leftists are fine with that as long as the White males are being oppressed (which in their view is the entire point), and on top of all that is the general social stigma against White men even though we BUILT Western civilization which is THE greatest civilization in the history of mankind. The world should be THANKING White men for all we've contributed!
Then there's the Duluth model which is sexist against men, the fact that women get charged half the punishment for the same crime as a man commits, and the wage gap is actually skewed in favour of women until about age 30 or so. After that is where it goes in men's direction. Why? Many women want to start families and forsake their career for a family, AND RIGHTLY SO! It's NATURAL! Women are the ones with the tits, they're the only ones that can actually breastfeed, and men are the ones that are taller, stronger, with thicker bones, narrower hips, with 100% more upper body strength and something like 80-90% more lower body strength, a bigger heart, bigger lungs; we're built to WORK, to labour, and also to fight. The typical personality traits for men also make us on average better developed for the competitive world of the modern workplace, while women's typical personality traits make them ideal for caring for the most vulnerable and NOTHING is more vulnerable than an infant.
Feminism is trying to kill femininity in women, and encouraging it upon men.
There's a glimpse of it in Notes from Underground.
(Fucking chad thundercock user here can't help but ruin the thead for the rest of us. I don't think he's even from around not knowing what a wizard is. Fucking cunt.)
In my defence, I've never called anyone an incel. If virgins should be angry at anything, it's feminism and the sexual revolution that began in the 60s. It heavily damaged the value of monogamy, and with monogamy gone, people became more open to trying different partners. The thing is, women are hypergamist by nature and so they go for the best possible partners they can find. Men generally don't care, and so while women go for what's on the same level or higher, including the very lowest quality women possible, it leaves the theoretical 'least desirable' men with nothing. Meanwhile if there was still monogamy and marriage, then the best women would get the best men, and the next best women would get what's left from that, and so on down the chain until the lowest of the low for both gender still have one another. Instead, without monogamy, even only marginally decent guys like myself can get several partners (I was frankly very overweight for most of my life). Most of the chicks were overweight if not outright obese, two MILFs in their 40s-50s (not exactly top-of-the-line chicks, in fact one turned out to be a bitch who claimed I 'didn't last as long as she'd have liked' with a very snarky tone, so I tuned my back on her and she got sookey, but later emailed me saying she wanted to see me again, cunt), and some chicks I could barely even get it up for.
So, if I was married, LIKE I WANT TO BE... I'm off the table, I'm out of the market, so who do these women turn to? If most other men were likewise married, either they're gonna have to remain alone and lonely or 'settle' for someone who's around the same socioeconomic level as themselves. Hey, I WANT monogamy, I WANT the institute of marriage to return, I want no-fault divorce to be kicked to the curb. Women who become single mothers inherently take a blow to their relationship market value, so if you're indeed desperate for a woman, I have two suggestions. Fat chicks, and/or single mothers. If you're unemployed, your chances are pretty much fucked, but if you can get a job, make some money, bank some, get a promotion or two, and climb your way up the socioeconomic ladder, I guarantee you that you could find a single mother looking for some guy to anchor herself to... but don't blame me when she tries to pin you for child support and leaves you. The laws need to change, women are too God damned privileged.
Knock off your r9k. Instead of toning down the injustice you're trying to flip it back on the women. And I find this pretty offensive considering I'm not white and have to send more job applications than whites do to get a job
Seems like marriage is an archaic institution now. And you are still basically advocating forcing people to remain married at all costs. It seems like that kind arrangement would make for an even worse family enviroment
Go away, I don't want your help. I don't need your poison.
What is a wizzard by todays defenition?
30 year old virgin loser. They're pretty good people. I met one once or twice. Everything we talked about still sticks in my mind. That unique world view from standing on the edge of society. It's to be cherished.
Same thing it's always meant: a 30+ virgin.
There's less of us now.
I heard in Japan the population is booming for wizards. There's alot of female ones too.
>>bawwww
this board is shit
Japan's an outlier, whatever's happening there won't spread. A godless country that still adheres to relgious traditions. Odd.
not for long
You realize that male virginity is on the rise, right?
Seriously google it. There are tons of articles written about how men are having less sex than ever before and the number of adult male virgins is increasing.
This. There was a US study made this year or last year claiming something like 40% of 18-30 years old (both male and female) didn't have sex once in the last year.
Where are these wizards and witches? Everyone around me seems to be fucking.
Probably the internet. We can't meet because we're all inside.
That's not a bad thing.
Working full time, going home to browse internet and being broke.
I'm not flipping anything, I'm telling it like it is. I assume the non-White race that you are isn't Asian, for Asian Americans make more money on average than White Americans and are, to my knowledge, under-represented in crime both in being the victims of and perpetrators of. Meaning, Asians in America are on average more successful than Whites, and experience/cause less crime than Whites. If you're Black, well... statistics kinda bear out why employers would be less likely to hire Blacks, and that goes with myself. I'd also be disinclined to hire women; far less likely for there to be any allegations of sexual harassment.
Marriage works, and studies bear that out. Children raised in intact households are far less likely to become murderers, rapists, drug abusers, repeat arsonists, or to commit suicide compared to children raised in broken single parent households. Likewise, monogamy works. I've known of the statistics regarding people with more partners being more likely to divorce or to be unfaithful, and yes, I realize that as someone who's been with over a dozen women that it does NOT look good on me, but I just hope that once I do get married that God will be sure to steer me straight and keep me from giving into any lust I may come to harbour for other women.
I gave examples as to why divorce is legitimate, but I firmly believe that most divorce in the past 50 years has NOT been legitimate and have been done for nonsense reasons with the resulting pain FAR outweighing any difficulties experienced within the marriage. Women don't turn out too good after divorce either. They're more likely to have to go on welfare, they're less desirable on the relationship market with or without a child in tow, and if they spend too long wasting their younger years without looking for a man to settle down with, the more decades that go by, the more likely she is to end up old, alone, and miserable. At best, maybe find a severely aged man with very little in terms of resources JUST so that she doesn't die alone. Meanwhile, men will have to work doubly hard after a divorce (unless he just commits suicide, which some do, especially if they lose their children), and as a result while the ex-wife will typically be of little value, the ex-husband will have climbed the ladder and made himself financially desirable to younger and more attractive women. Men have a tendency to age like good whiskey, and biologically speaking, women age like unprocessed milk. As a man who wants to have a family, maybe a large one, any woman over 30 is very low on my list of priorities, ideally someone 25 or younger. 35+ is not even an option; no more screwing around 'just for fun', I'm sick of the hedonism. The next women who gets my cock I want to be my future wife.
I offer no poison, only what I perceive as truth. If you don't believe I speak truth, that's fine, you don't have to. I hope things improve for you.
how does Ulysses relate the other stories you suggested?
It's not really an existence is it? Especially since the internet's become a pile of cack. If things don't get by my 31st birthday, fuck it, I'll call it a day and an hero.
Don't do that.
That looks like De Niro and is probably talking about a gangster and not suicide.
Same thing. You end killing someone. Just happens to be yourself
Yes. One of the girls at the baths.
Yeah. A Bronx Tale. good film, y'all virgins should watch it.
I don't want end up regretting like that wizard.
>What should he buy with the prize-money? He couldn't think what. Books? He had done reading. Clothes? Ha ha. There was nothing he really needed except more talent. Nothing in the world.
Any other wizard have a tidy sum of money because they don't spend money on anything (or have anyone to spend it on)? Pay day is supposed to be a good day and yet it doesn't fill me with glee.
>The next women who gets my cock I want to be my future wife
Happy Bachelorhood
If it takes years, then it shall be years. I am male and not yet 30, I have time. What I'm aiming for; traditional, at least centrist but ideally on the right, Christian, and with a desire for motherhood and wifedom. She believes she has a say, and knows I will listen, but deference goes to her husband, the patriarch, the one who works for her and the kids, and would die for her and the kids, or ideally instead, kill for them. It would be helpful if she enjoys nature and camping, admires masculinity and strength, is grateful for everything I do for her and whatever sacrifices I would make. With her Christian faith she would know that life is inherently difficult, and so if there are times of difficulty, she would understand that it's not something to try and run away from via divorce, but rather, to persevere through for the sake of keeping the family together knowing that once things return to as they were, with good times, the unity of the family would be even stronger.
Oh yeah, also, pro-gun to some degree, because if there's a bump in the night I don't wanna have to go out there with a pointy stick or a baseball bat. I'm a damn good shot, and she should want me to have the best possible means of self-defence if I ever have to face danger for her or the kids. I have no time for "guns are bad and evil and dangerous and I don't want them in the house!" Get out... now...
Things are improving. I'm getting my education, continuing to plug away at my writing career, got some resumes out to good locations that are in line with my skills and interests, and thankfully my entire life I've been quite good with money so when things start to pick up, they're going to pick up in a big way. Even got an application out for a scholarship that is specifically aimed at people who've been through hard times but persevered, so I told them how things have been, in fact come to think of it I don't think I had even given ALL my major hurdles of the past 7 years or so but certainly the major ones of the past 4 years or so. I feel confident that I have a chance at getting it, and already have ideas in mind that could see to making that money make more money for me in case there's hard times ahead.
I buy a shit ton of games, of I've played maybe a quarter.
This feels like a bit of a cringepost
#1: A lot of people lie about it. Being a virgin (let alone a kissless handholdless virgin) past the age of 18 has a huge stigma attached to it so most people aren’t going to be forthcoming about it. You probably know a few virgins but they’ll never actually admit that they are virgins.
#2: The people who are virgins are usually virgins due to things like poor social skills, self hatred, low self esteem, etc. People like that usually don’t have very many (if any) friends.
Yes it seems people with a high partner count aren't all that coherent.
I don't think that quite explains it.
>kissless
You know, someone could drop into my arms tomorrow and I wouldn't know what to do. We're that far along that if even fate decided to be kind I'd still be stuck.
>He did not gain friends or a gf.
This is depressing to read as I'm making my own efforts to get my life together. I'm not quite 30 yet, but I already feel hopelessly behind everyone else my age and I'm starting to think that there's no chance things will get better.
>I'm not quite 30 yet
As long as you're not 25 yet...
Just live your own way. Don't compare yourself to others all the time.
Yeah it's not a good thing though. Especially with the rise of VR tech... This number is going to have a massive rise in the next two decades.
I'm a bit worried because we are overloading our senses with this shit it's not healthy. Too much dopamine rushes not many young people know how to regulate their natural pleasure senses. They just want more and more.
Media needs to cover this topic people need to have conversations about these issues. We need more Joe Rogans out there making platforms for conversation.
I don't see that as a bad thing, but it should happen in the whole world, not just the developed part.
We need to reduce the population
2 things:
1) It doesn't feel like this number is going to up.
2) At this point, if it makes money somehow, it will not be stopped.
Can anyone in this thread make ONE (1) rational, non-spooked argument as to why being a virgin is bad? I'm a 21 year-old virgin and I've noticed that no one cares if you're a virgin or not once you graduate from high school. There's no reason to be ashamed, society wants you to be ashamed and frustrated in order to control you better. If it still bothers you so much, hire a hooker.
>21
You'll realise a lot later, that it's not REALLY about the virgin part. It's all the things that lead you to being a 30+ year old virgin. It's a symptom of underlying problems.
At 21 being a virgin isn't TOO bad.
How about 22? I want to be a wizard though t b h
Eventually the sexual aspect of having missed out and the social aspect of being seen as a loser diminish with time. I don't care about that stuff much anymore even though it stings from time to time.
What really hits home as you get closer to 30 is the avoidance of friendship and companionship. Virgins are usually lonely and have few if any friends. So basically you wish you had friends to talk to and you wish you had a wife or something to vent/spill your beans to at home when you want to talk about things that are too íntimate for your friends. I mean sure enough family can fill this gap for a while, but there's stuff you can't tell them either.
Around 20 you can postpone these thoughts because you think something will happen eventually and you might meet someone but the closer to 30 you go without doing anything the more you feel like nothing will happen and the state you are in right now will get worse. Plus you realize the best moment to do all the stupid intimate stuff is in the early twenties with you have the power of youth and you've pissed those away so you're just a 30 year old boomer now with an old body.
25 is the threshold.
>Plus you realize the best moment to do all the stupid intimate stuff is in the early twenties with you have the power of youth and you've pissed those away so you're just a 30 year old boomer now with an old body.
Yeah, imagine attempting to kiss for first time at 30.
No, 30 is. I'm saying I can't wait for it
I'm lonely and want to feel loved and appreciated share myself with someone
Huh. So you people actually exist. Weird.
25 is the point of no return, 30 is when you're officially a wizard.
Oh, I see. I'm looking forward to it regardless
>It doesn't feel like this number is going to up.
It doesn't matter whether it feels like it's going up or not. The most recent data shows that virginity and sexlessness is increasing among men. It's also increasing among women but not nearly at the same rate.
theatlantic.com
washingtonpost.com
Good luck I guess?
>Around 20 you can postpone these thoughts because you think something will happen eventually
I know I should have been pro-active and sought out people but like I'm here now, 30, I literally have no idea what's left except travelling.
the shit you learn after visiting a few hookers and actively practicing deception and manipulation on women to get laid is much, much worse than being a 30 year old virgin
It is beautiful. It feels like society is slowly abandoning the animalistic sex obsession.
Thanks pal. I think I've got this one in the bag
>slowly abandoning the animalistic sex obsession.
LOL, if anything it's getting worse. We are at a point where animal dildos are no longer restricted to furry fags and started to enter mainstream-ish porn.
Yeah, but that's the thing.
It will all become mundane and boring eventually. People want taboo and forbidden stuff
That doesn't matter at all. You don't get it.
Kissing is not a "skill" that we care about. Most people don't attach any importance to these "skills".
Most people seem to hook up online. You should give it a try, find someone like yourself. I don't know where you should look though. My own standards are specific because I want to find someone of my exact ethnicity.
>Most people don't attach any importance to these "skills".
You can't tell me fumbling basic intimate moments that 99% of the population figured out when they were teenagers isn't off-putting.
>basic intimate moments that 99% of the population figured out
you're thinking too hard and not hard enough. most people are still pretty terrible for various reasons, which is one of the reasons why cheating, fantasizing, porn, and other things are still around. some 30 year old virgin's first time is going to be awkward, but they won't necessarily be terrible
That's just western culture. Other cultures don't "figure out" this stuff in the teenage years. Do you think a cat needs to learn how to reproduce? This stuff just happens. Low IQ people do it more than high IQ ones as well.
>Other cultures don't "figure out" this stuff in the teenage years.
On the surface maybe, underneath it's still happening. (Or you get this weird faggot underbelly that happens in strict cultures).
>Oh no what if I mess up kissing someone
I can't believe you are this level of insecure. Makes me ashamed to be in the same category as you if you're even a wizard.
Why wouldn't I be this insecure?
Alright beyond just the "skills", you're still a novice in every other aspect of romance.
I need some sleep hopefully this thread isn't dead by tomorrow.
>Why wouldn't I be this insecure?
Because it's instinctual. It's like worrying about not being able to breath the right way
I have a movie for it.
Akira Kurosawa's The Quiet Duel 1949
It's a tragic melodrama about a virgin doctor who catches syphilis from a patient and can't marry his betrothed because of it nor explain himself for the stigma.
>his youth i.e. young love, being with friends, etc.
All those things float past the consciousness like objects on a river in a fixed line of sight. It doesn't matter. He'll derive no permanent happiness from it. His attachment to those "regrets" are the actual cause of his misery, not his lack of those memories.
how specifically did you meet those women online? asking for myself