Materialism is irrefuta-

you are your smartphone

>posting theological and traditionalist stuff only
>not posting any of the historical and existing secular refutations of materialism
Materialism is wrong whether or not God exists.

Got any books/authors besides Whitehead?

Nothing supports materialism

no such thing as matter

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>easternism
cringed and ignored

>discounting the assorted wisdom of mankind because of "muh hometown team is the best"

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In support of subjective idealism: Berkeley and Fichte.
In support of objective idealism: Schelling, Hegel
In support of a sort of phenomenalist neutral monism: Hume, Russell, Carnap, Broad, Price.
In support of either substance or property dualism: Descartes, Nagel, Kripke, Jackson, Chalmers.
Work that assists a dualist conception: Searle, Levine.

What's commonly referred as materialism isn't materialism but symbolism

Expound on this?

>Searle
>dualist
>The bankruptcy of the Cartesian tradition, and the absurdity of supposing that there are two kinds of substances or properties in the world, "mental" and "physical," is so threatening to us and has such a sordid history that we are reluctant to concede anything that might smack of Cartesianism. We are reluctant to concede any of the commonsense facts that sound "Cartesian," because it seems that if we accept the facts, we will have to accept the whole of Cartesian metaphysics. Any sort of mentalism that recognizes the obvious facts of our existence is regarded as automatically suspect. At the most extreme, some philosophers are reluctant to admit the existence of consciousness because they fail to see that the mental state of consciousness is just an ordinary biological, that is, physical, feature of the brain. Perhaps even more exasperatingly, they are aided in this error by those philosophers who cheerfully acknowledge the existence of consciousness and inso doing suppose they must be asserting the existence of something nonphysical. The view that consciousness, mental states, etc., exist, in the most naive and obvious sense, and play a real causal role in our behavior has nothing special to do with Cartesian dualism. After all, one does not have to read the Meditations to be conscious that one is conscious or that one's desires, as mental phenomena, conscious or unconscious, are real causal phenomena. But when one reminds philosophers of these "Cartesian intuitions," one is immediately accused of Cartesianism. I have, personally speaking, been accused of holding some crazy doctrine of "property dualism" and "privileged access," or believing in "introspection" or "neovitalism" or even "mysticism, "even though I have never, implicitly or explicitly, endorsed any of these views.

Nobody said materialism was irrefutable. They said everything else was unfalsifiable.

How do they refute it?

He's literally listed not as supporting dualism but as having work that assists a dualist conception. His Chinese room attack on reducing semantics to syntax gave dualists ammunition. Materialist reductionists to this day hate Searle for it and they spend a lot of time and effort criticizing his argument because they know it ends up assisting the dualist cause. It doesn't matter whether Searle is a dualist when his work assists a dualist conception, and both dualists and materialists know this.

Materialism is unfalsifiable.

Arguing against materialism is not arguing for dualism. That's his point.

I get that. The point I'm making is that dualists look at Searle's work and start using it to support their view, and materialists look at Searle's work and feel dismayed and go on the offensive. Hence his work assists a dualist conception. This doesn't mean he is arguing for dualism, it means his work can be and has been used by dualists regardless of Searle's own views.

>recall, that matter is really mind.

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based searle, is the chinese room argument one of the most impregnable arguments in philosophy (up there with Mary's Room) or is there something I'm missing?

>I'm such a pathetic human being, I am failing at life, I have nothing to enjoy because of that so I'm going to pretend I live for something higher than that with an optional afterlife of eternal bliss
This shit is literally the fox and the grapes taken to the extreme, cope harder materialets go die and start the afterlife (you won't and you know it) and stop trying to shit everything up for the rest of us by pretending enjoying life is sinful you sad sacks of shit.

>materialism is wrong and I will prove it by doing material things in the material world
>now kids wanna hear some spiritual mumbo jumbo I just came up with ?

>This shit is literally the fox and the grapes taken to the extreme, cope harder materialets go die and start the afterlife (you won't and you know it) and stop trying to shit everything up for the rest of us by pretending enjoying life is sinful you sad sacks of shit.

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Don't be afraid of new ideas. Your mom can't force you to go to church on Sunday anymore.

Eh, she'll cut off access to my kid cousins if I don't go and I don't think I can live without seeing them more than twice a year

>no argument
What's the point of arguing with people who believe in metaphysical gibberish that can't be proven nor disproven to be real ? They'll just keep believing their arbitrary garbage and spout dead memes all day under anonymity because in a real debate with an audience they'd get laughed out of the room if they tried that.
How is failing at life so much you isolate yourself from life itself the antithesis of the soiboy ? How does that make you better ? Chad is a materialist, virgins hide in their rooms making excuses thinking about higher purposes. Cope harder retard.

Low IQ post, please go to a different board.

>new ideas
Such as ? What flavor of the century spiritual mumbo jumbo do you believe in in order to feel like an unique snowflake ? Did Chad fuck your oneitis so you turned to some religion to win in the end knowing he will suffer forever ?

>Materialism isn't metaphysics

Kill yourself you coping shit. Tell me what garbage you believe in so I can laugh at how much of a sad brainlet you are.

>one line response
Like clockwork, couldn't expect more from materialet brainlets.

The best way to stop a meterialet failed human from blabbering about nonsensical, impossible to prove concepts is to tell them to have sex.
It ruins the poor guys, reminds them of the sad days when they were normal like the rest of us before they ''asceded'' to a higher plane of thinking and living.
It's really funny, brings back so much latent frustration to them, you can already see it in this thread.

Yikes

>needing 'theology' to refute materialism
lmaoing at you volcel retards harking back to medieval fucking islam just to 'btfo' materialism when QM has pretty much put both you and materialists into shame.

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>The best way to stop a meterialet failed human from blabbering about nonsensical, impossible to prove concepts is to tell them to have sex.
>It ruins the poor guys, reminds them of the sad days when they were normal like the rest of us before they ''asceded'' to a higher plane of thinking and living.
>It's really funny, brings back so much latent frustration to them, you can already see it in this thread.

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QM is just Neoplatonism. Bohr, Heisenberg, Pauli, Schrödinger, they were all disciples of Plato.

QM is materialism by default. No spooky ghosts there.

The part of materialism hardly anyone ever talks about, the materialists or those against them, is that when pursued to its ultimate end materialism does not do away with the spooky and weird but, rather, denies the necessity of dualism for their existence. For example God exists, and he has a name and address. People have been working for aeons to locate the physical co-ordinates of this universe's deity, and they don't all agree on what to do when they find him. It is the scarlet thread that runs through history.

>what are hidden local variables

something reduced to mere god of gaps?

It's not wisdom.

>we iz wise n shiet ytboa

>"Oh, you know, I only trust what I see"
>can't see the act of seeing
Materialism btfo

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t. brainlet

Materialism is totally reconcilable with everything else, and only a fool would believe that to adhere to it would mean abandoning some other principle or worldview.

this

the Greeks loved to praise eastern wisdom

and that's why their society collapsed into decadent orientalism in the hellenistic age

This, but unironically
Exited for my shrooms + nitrous tomorrow while meditating and reading holy books

That materialism and nothingness is scary in anyway is the biggest stupid meme of the modern world invented by dopey retards.

please don't imply that materialism can only be refuted by theism, regardless of how valid and strong the theological arguments are: that just fuels the nihilist's "heh I don't need to believe in a skydaddy heh" shit.
Even basic epistemology is enough to dunk on materialism

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Materialism is metaphysics whether you like it or not. Materialism is a substance metaphysics - ie unfalsifiable conjecture

(the most parsimonous ontology is actually a sort of non-dualist idealism)

>materialism is false
>eats lunch

Cope
Advances in neuroscience within this century will make any other worldview outside materialism completely untenable. Enjoy the last couple of decades you can still hold onto your delusion.

bruh most people can't even operate a naturally grown nervous system you think shocky shocky stem cell magic is going to change that

>says the increasingly nervous materialist for the 10th time

youtube.com/watch?v=wxalrwPNkNI&frags=pl,wn

People have been hoping to clear up all of life's questions with materialism ever since the steam train was invented.

It's mistaking analogy for actuality. Experimental science and technique run analoguos to to the workings of our minds because we impose our modes of thinking onto our perceptions.

If anyone's LARPing it's the naturalists and materialists.

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All things are material to the existence known as God. Since I believe in God I am also materialist. Ita est.

Universe = Consciousness = You = Me = Everything = The One = God = The Absolute

Nervous about what? Materialism absolutely dominates all related fields of study

Just eat a fistful of DPH LMAO

God won't be very pleased with you trying to set yourself up to be the same as him. We're just his puppets user.

Memes.

That’s not what I did
But I probably wasnt really clear with my confused ramblings

Are you saying you know what pleases God? Aren’t you equating yourself with God by saying you understand Him, His motivations and inclinations? How would you know what God wants or what (dis)pleases Him?

>We're just his puppets user.
More like his art, but we must have some agency of our own.

>implying a cut of meat has feelings

Take the emergentism pill

I can derive basic information on the nature of God by looking at the world we live in.

geunonfagging needs to be bannable, these threads are just circle-jerks for right-wing extremists masquerading as spiritual gurus. this is a catholic socialist board.

not their ideas, though.

you are the living proof of the metaphysical deterioration of essence. the end is near.

The ideas are ink on paper, that are communicated either by the vibration of matter or the reflection of matter in to your eyeballs made of matter where they are decoded by a series of chemical and electrical reactions within the matter of your brain.

>frog meme traditionalism

The internet just keeps getting weirder

Realize that memes and all that shit aren't new and is a method to manipulate society