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Read a bit of it, it's pretty good so far. thanks for the rec.
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he could not handle the gay lobby it was too much for him

He didn't like the fame

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I've recommended him dozens of times in

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i'll be very sad when benny dies. which i shouldn't since he has long ago sold all he had and bought the pearl of great price, but still

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>everybody ragged on Benedict because he said mean things about Muslims and looked like the Emperor from Star Wars
>it turns out he's a kindly old man who loves cats and playing the piano, and also repeatedly turned down gifts of cash from corrupt clergy and institutions

Why were we so mean to him, Yea Forums? He never deserved it. And we owe him a debt of gratitude for all that he wound up doing for the Catholic Church, both in public and in private.

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My problem is with Christianity not him personally.

Maybe you should read more Benedict, he's apparently quite effective as an apologist.

He's also more Yea Forums than all the anons on this board combined.

He got death threats from the ones closest to him.
You wouldn't want to see a neo-Roman Empire with Hedonistic values.
Not everyone is able to understand it.
You're probably one of the first ones to do so.
Because back then everyone was a liberal who laughed at 9/11 jokes and thought that Barack Obama is awesome.

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P.S. I'm a little stupid today so pardon my grammar.

and an open Jesuit

I've also recommended him at least once and I will continue reading Benedict.
Do you have particular recommendation for mentioned responses to the changes of the late 20th century? Do you mean interview books like that by Seewald or something directly from Benedict and more scholarly?

has he really never had sex?

Why is he dressed like Santa?

I saw a copy of From the Baptism in the Jordan to the Transfiguration at a bookstore for like $10 and skipped it then found the same volume at a goodwill later that day for $3 so I bought it. Should I read the others first? I didn't even know it was a series.

Bullshit. He's still alive and doing fine. He stepped down because the international banking system froze all transactions in and out of Vatican city and then promptly unfroze them the day after he announced his resignation.

He also lifted the excommunication of a Holocaust denying traditionalist Catholic.

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>Roman Catholic

>ratzinger posting

he was really old, one of the oldest popes

st. gallen mafia

Imagine stepping down because you feel fragile and not strong enough to tackle the pedo banking mob expecting a younger, stronger pope and get this dictatorship endorsing socialist modern peronist, oh man

Have either of you actually read anything by Francis? Or do you only take your understanding of him from headlines in liberal papers?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

this.

but also this.

You are mostly correct about Pope Benedict. Although I would not discount JPII's writing. His Theology of the Body is critically underutilized. Theology is not just thinking about God, it's putting that thought into practice in your life. I encourage any anons who are sad for whatever reason to examine how they treat their own bodies and especially how they think about sex and what they believes it end is vs what nature has said its end is.

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2TBIND.HTM

>hate the catholishit church and want it to burn
>loved The Young Pope
>have a great respect for traditionalist Caths and theologians who don't kowtow to globalism

wtf

You do not know the Catholic church. Have you even met more than a half-dozen of priests? All you know about the Church you have literally learned from people who hate the Church. This is not to say that there are no problems in the Church, but there are over 1 billion Catholics. Globalism as you call it isn't hated by the church for the reasons you hate it, because the Catholic church is already global; globalism is a mockery of the Church. You think of the history of the Church as a part of history, because this is what Renaissance and Enlightenment thinkers imposed on secular schools; but it is all the rest of history which is only a part of the history of the church. If it ever seems as though you have two feelings in contradiction, it is usually in some other thought or thoughts that you have made the mistake.

based

youtube.com/watch?v=r-P3CS_2740

Ironically, the embrace of the old ways by the new generation has only accelerated under Francis. Maybe that was Benedict's plan all along. Maybe he knew the contrast of someone like Francis would sharpen the resolve of the younger, more traditional Catholics. He did kind of set it all into motion with Summorum Pontificum.

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>The Young Pope
the abortion scene is one of the greatest things to come out of television

most of young catholics are going full on reactionary

To this day I have no idea how show about an anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, unapologetically trad pope got produced. Felt like I slipped into another timeline.

Speak for yourself.

Not interested in his ridiculous hermeneutic of continuity over what is apparent rupture to anyone with eyes and a heart that doesn't accept obvious untruths. He's one of those "Liberal but I saw the error of my ways" jackoffs who were integral in Vatican II.
Homo pedophile priests forced him to step down.
He hushed a few cases when John Paul II was pope but when he got the job he defrocked some 800+ priests and put more in perma-solitude. (mostly "liberal" theologians unsurprisingly enough, the conservative ones were primarily africans and a secretive cult-like group in brazil)
The Lavender Mafia did not see kindly upon his interference in their raping of kids and seminarians and forced him to step down. People who were defrocked by him are in Francis retinue unsurprisingly enough.
Most of that was already semi-clear to anyone who bothered following the news though more people know about it now due to Vigano speaking out.

I hope they keep the same attitude with the new pope

There's a story I heard that only local priests who are gay can expect to ever get sent to Rome to study so that the clique can go on havin' fun.

The antichrist coveted his throne.

>he
more like them

Shame

>They were investigating him for sexual abuse of minors for years with nothing coming out. They wanted more sexual children to sell, no children were used. He was going to kill his children. But his son-in-law, Monsignor Domenico Pozzo (a "confidant of Italian intelligence") came across a picture that he called a confession" – in a court document, the father wrote:
>>There was a picture of a boy, he was between the age 12 and 16, one could find on a street in Venice. On top there was a piece of cloth and his shoes, so the clothing must have been the type that was worn by men like priests or priests had children. He then said that in the morning the priest took him to the balcony and after they had fallen asleep then the boy could see the priest putting his hands on him … When he got to 12 or 13 he said that the priest was really in pain and he got on top of the boy, the boy started crying, the boy was about 14. The priest then began to stroke him. When he came down he was sitting on the child's back again and he could smell the child's blood. "I said to the kid not to tell anyone what happened because, of course, they're in love with you. But his father went round, got a big bottle of oil and put it on his lap. Then he poured it all over him. And I went into the bedroom and called the mother. "The mother came out. I said, 'Listen, the priest said you were kissing one a la boli'. She said 'We don't kiss'. "She started crying. "Then I went to the balcony in the house and told her what happened. "I said, 'You're not going to say anything now. The priest's got you locked up, he's beating. I think you'll be a very miserable girl for the rest of your life.' "I went up to him and said, 'I'm going to tell you I really kissed one at the church and then I kissed another, then I kissed a third time, and now I made you feel that awful touch again that got you.' "Then I was able to say, 'You know what? Let's go, I'm going to tell you how you'll feel.' "I remember feeling the way I felt when I told you about that time I kissed a girl. I went up to him and said, 'I'm going to tell you about it now, just so you wouldn't have to think about it any further. I got so scared when I remembered, how it was going to feel.' He said, "That's OK." It was that quiet, very quiet feeling, not even a sound, that got him going. I was so afraid I was going to cry." The boy was arrested for "the second time" for kissing the priest on the mouth. His mother's lawyers believed his story because there was no recording or recording device on his hands at the time; there were no cameras or video recording equipment. "It's only right that the judge, if he thinks it was an accident, should be merciful."
>The boy said he told police he thought he broke no laws in kissing the priest. He told the police the other priest knew about he kissing the little boy and was angry that he had brought it up, said the bishop's office in Santa Cruz.

>secretive cult-like group in brazil
Can you tell more about it, please?

Bullshit, I always recommend In the Beginning whenever there’s a catholic thread.

>Not interested in his ridiculous hermeneutic of continuity over what is apparent rupture to anyone with eyes and a heart that doesn't accept obvious untruths. He's one of those "Liberal but I saw the error of my ways" jackoffs who were integral in Vatican II.

I've not always been the biggest fan of Vatican 2 either, but whether we like it or not it IS a valid council of the Church. You either have to learn to live with it or become a Sede.

Redpill me on this

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Not that user but basically a cabal of actual pedo and homosexual priest who've made a small Swiss town their HQ. If you got the time or just want to listen to something on the background i'd recommend Taylor Marshall's multiple videos on this group. This guy he's interviewing here is a victim of the now disgraced former-cardinal McCarrick who was member of this group so check it out if you want.

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This thread is confirmation that Cathlolic posters are big brains. I was raised in a Cathlolic country, by a Catholic family. I lapsed in my faith initially due to hedonism, later due to more gnostic beliefs, and learning about the dark side of Catholicism, particularly the sex abuse and the corruption at the top of the church.
I still try to lead a moral life, and follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but I do not pray or go to mass.
Can any of you gentlemen point out the errors in my ways? Or am I right?

Bump for this user, I hope I'm not the one to answer plus I also have to go 2 sleep.

We encounter Christ most fully in the Sacraments, which can only be properly administered by the Church. Even when a priest is corrupt and wicked, the Sacraments he administers are pure, because it is Christ's power working through him at that time, not his own power. The Sacraments give us sanctifying grace; they cleanse our soul and give us a complete and whole relationship with God.

So, you should go back to the Church for the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist.

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So you are saying the value lies in the ritual? And the ritual is so valuable and pure that it is worth accepting (and to a small extent, enabling) all the bad things in the church,just to partake in the rituals? Also how can you be sure that the ritual is pure? If there are dark forces at work, how do we know they have not corrupted the ritual? Or is it such an objective and pure ritual that the most evil priest/church in the world could administer it, and it would still retain its power?
If what you say is correct, then I accept the argument, however I want to see how your evidence/thinking behind the purity and efficacy of the sacraments.
If your reasoning is faith in the church, that is fine and I accept it, however I hope you have some other logic behind your beliefs in addition to this faith.

Francis is making sure there will be too many liberal cardinals for there to ever be a conservative pope ever again.

Not him, I'm a member of the Orthodox Church, but the heresy you're talking about was pre-schism. Donatism, which is the incorrect teaching that sacraments are only valid if done by morally pure people, is problematic because there are no morally pure people. The sacraments are valid because of God, not because of any man. God can, and has, worked his will through the vilest of men. Look at King Ahasuerus, a lustful and corrupt king who nonetheless was used by God to the salvation of his people. In a similar way even if the priest administering it is morally faulty God will enforce his sacraments.

My own personal view is that the faults of any one man shouldn't stop the spiritual gain of the congregation. I will quote Jeremiah in this:

"Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.
Therefore, this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says about the shepherds who tend My people: “You have scattered My flock and driven them away, and have not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your deeds, declares the LORD.
"I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number."

I forget their name but their charism of secrecy (non-traditional af) made trads super suspicious of them even before Benedict went after their cult leader.
I no longer consider myself Catholic. The Church's apologia expects too much self-denial of obvious truths at all costs.

Good explanation, I was thinking in a way that was too simplistic. All men sin, it is just a matter of degree. The priests are all able to administer sacraments, no matter how flawed they may be.
Have you any thoughts on enabling the corruption at the top of the church? (political power, black nobility etc) How would you deal with this issue as it pertains to the morality of attending and supporting the church? Or is this not an issue you have considered, being an Orthodox Church member?

It is an issue because, as much as we like to hold ourselves as the True Church, we also have to admit that we have our own problems, they just don't make the news as much.

Before I talk about anything else, I must say this: if you do not hold yourself in communion with your church and its beliefs, you should not take the eucharist. Doing so is harmful for yourself because its a false affirmation. If you do not have faith in your church, then you would only hurt yourself by doing so.

I feel its a little easier to talk about this as an Orthodox because there are multiple jurisdictions that all share the same faith, but are separate in terms of temporal affairs. That means that I can shake my head in sorrow at the Greek Orthodox Church's issues, but also be sure that my tithing does not go to them. However, the Church is not just the clerics, but also the laity. The community at my church is important to me, which colors my thinking.

One thing that might give you some context or comfort is that this is not a new phenomenon. St John Chrysostom, one of the greatest preachers of the church's history in the 5th century AD gave us this quote I paraphrase,"The road to hell is paved with the skulls of errant priests with bishops as their signposts." The Catholic Church is on fire right now, but I think it has always been on fire.

My thought process might be different than yours, I do not know how Catholic priests handle such things, but my spiritual Father has a duty to explain himself to me so that not in blind obedience, but in joyful acceptance I walk the Path. My answer ultimately for attending and supporting the church, even in the scandals its had, is that I can't do anything else. I believe everything in the Nicaean Creed, I believe in Jesus, I believe in his one united, catholic, apostolic church. Obviously I'd do the best I could to make sure that the bad shepherds can't harm any more people, that my tithing goes only to things I feel are good, but in the end it comes down to that I can't find a better alternative to being in my church, to the everyday salvation I experience. I can only pray that you can resolve this conflict within yourself, because all I can tell you is we absolutely as the laity should ensure that our faith is maintained in the correct ways, yet even when it fails I just can't do anything else but carry on.

Have you read Revolution and Counter-Revolution?

What is this image?

it's from the gotthard tunnel's opening ceremony

Very informative. I will read more about the topic, until then I will maintain my own spiritual practice. You are a good ambassador for your faith. Thank you.

Seriously? That's horrifying.

Obvious truths like what?

Based pope benedict xvi was not forced down to resign. He makes that clear multiple times in his last interview book. He is not a coward that would step down due to pressure.

I think he is referring to Tradition, Family, Property. They have chapters in the US and Europe.

If you read on phone/tablet in the app iPieta you have some of his writings as well as lots of other writings from popes, saints, church fathers etc. Good stuff

When you start thinking through what it takes to actually become Pope, you realize that none of them could ever be weak.

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GAME. OF THRONES. HIGH SPARROW DUDEEEEEEEE

I'm the Catholic that was talking to, and you answered this question very well, Orthobro. I will say that, if you look at the history of the Catholic Church, we seem to have a huge crisis every 400 or 500 years. First it was the Arian Heresy. Then it was the crisis of the 11th Century. Then it was the Reformation. Now we're facing this new crisis.

But at every turn, God has raised up saints to save, defend, and reform the Church. Saint Athanasius fought the whole world, including the pope, to defend the Trinity. Saint Francis and Saint Dominic founded the orders that bear their names, while Saint Peter Damian boldly attacked sexual immorality in the clergy. Saint Ignatius of Loyola founded the Jesuits, and saints like Teresa of Avila and Francis de Sales boldly responded to the challenge of Protestantism.

The Church has been rocked by sin and scandal and disaster before, but it has persevered each time. I think it will survive this crisis as well. And, in fact, I think that even now, some of the people responding to all the problems in the Church will some day become saints. It's often in these times of turmoil that the greatest figures in the Church's history arise.

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Paul VI.

>gay.

Fucking, huh?