Notable Christians

Wittgenstein specifically said that he could never respect a being such as God and that religious language didn’t aim at telling truths about the world but only at expressing one’s attitude towards life.

Why do these threads even get attention? It's not hard to cherry pick in this way. Just wish there was a less retarded place than Yea Forums I could browse for actual discussions.

>famous atheists
>list half full of people who loathed atheism and rued the death of christianity

>cherry pick
Are these not notable Christians and atheists? Can you find a Christian or atheist more notable than the ones on the list?

Adding to OP's list of notable Christians:

>Saint Augustine of Hippo
>Saint Thomas Aquinas
>Charles Dickens
>Oscar Wilde
>T. S. Eliot
>Flannery O'Connor

Martin Heidegger, Rudolf Carnap, A.J. Ayer, Gilbert Ryle, W.V.O. Quine, David K. Lewis, John Anderson, J.L. Mackie, basically every Australian philosopher except James Franklin, basically every living theoretical physicist, the list goes on.

Not at all. Who thinks of Shakespeare and Dostoyevsky when they think of notable Christians in history? Usually that honour would fall upon figures like Augustine and Luther and Calvin etc.
It's funny how dostoy is included when he would be seen as an unsaved heretic by most Christians. Also the new atheist movement isn't representative of atheism, which is just simply the statement that you are not convinced of the existence of god. One could easily cite much greater historical figures who happened to be atheists. Hume, Marx, Einstein, etc.

>the new atheist movement isn’t representative of atheism
Real atheism has never been tried!

Not sure if this was supposed to apply to "atheism" or "new atheism":
>you are not convinced of the existence of God
That's agnosticism. An atheist by definition would be fully convinced of the nonexistence of God.

>rued the death of christianity
did you even read any of them?

>James Baldwin
> Bertolt Brecht
>Albert Camus
>Joseph Conrad
>Roddy Doyle
>EM Forster
>Nadine Gordimer
>Henrik Ibsen
>Franz Kafka
>Sinclair Lewis
>Christopher Marlowe
>Ian McEwan
>Salman Rushdie
>George Bernard Shaw
>Gore Vidal
>Kurt Vonnegut
>Virginia Woolf

all of them but schrödinger actually

Notable atheists
>any philosopher that's not on your list

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>Best author of all time

mmmkay

>Hume
not an atheist

Not atheists
Not as notable as the ones OP listed
Try again!

Its debatable whether Nietzsche was a total atheist or was just rebelling against a particular type of 19th century bourgeoisie Lutheranism. He also didnt seem to be biblically literate at all. Im not saying he wasnt an atheist, just that its debatable.

>Notable atheists
Artaud
Beckett
Bernhard
Calvino
Chekhov
Cioran
Camus
Coatzee
Conrad
Eco
George Eliot
Gass
Ibsen
Kafka
Leopardi
Lovecraft
Primo Levi
Miller
Musil
Neruda
Proust
Rimbaud
Saramago
Shelley
Wells
Woolf
Derrida
Deleuze
Foucault
Baudrillard
Adorno
Benjamin
Horkheimer
Bataille
Kojeve
Barthes
Nietzsche
Marx
Schopenhauer
Dewey
Hume
Lucretius
Lyotard
Stirner
Spinoza
Whitehead

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Then by that definition nobody would be an atheist. Even cringe meme atheists like Dawkins say that they’re not completely sure God doesn’t exist. The point is that atheists think the overall evidence supports the thesis that there is no God, theists think the opposite and agnostics simply suspend judgment. Ever wondered that maybe you couldn’t find famous atheists because your concept of atheist has an empty extension? Read Gray’s Seven Types Atheism.

>he wasn’t a pop scientist new atheist so he certainly doesn’t qualify as atheist!

Nietzsche saw the world as "we're all one" "we're all God" in his own way. He clearly did not believe in the Abrahamic God though.

Whitehead? You sure about that bro?

newton was luciferian as shit retard

Thats fine. Rejecting the Abrahamic God is not the same as being an atheist.

the atheist's "gods" (aka not really gods but their conception of the universe) are the "gods" of whitehead and spinoza.

>>James Baldwin
Lmao. Also, Kafka is the only person on your list who can be compared to the people OP listed.

Wrong

This better be bait; Plato and most other B.C. philosophers were theists

You do realize appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, right?

Guenon would punch you in the face for saying that.

Not OP and not a theist, but that’s a silly point in this context. He’s advancing no arguments so he can’t be guilty of committing any fallacy. Btw, appeal to authority is an informal fallacy when the people you reference as authoritative are not so, but it’s perfectly admissible if you reference actual experts on the subject (e.g. a respected biologist for evolutionary theory)

>Nietzsche
>He also didnt seem to be biblically literate at all
Are you some kind of a moron? Nietzsche was a pastor's son. His schoolmates nicknamed him "Little Pastor", because he fucking memorized by heart whole chapters from Bible.

>Shakespeare was a real christian

What's the point of calling a non-conscious goalless nihilistically chaotic process a god? Nietzsche downright stated that the concept "god" is basically a linguistical creation.

>ayn rand best author of all time
Lmao

>Socrates
>Plato
>Marcus Aurelius
>Augustine of Hippo
>Thomas Aquinas
>John Locke
>Henry David Thoreau
>Leo Tolstoy
>atheist
Lmao, nope. You don't know shit about philosophy. Go back to your cartoons, retard.

Most were not Christians.
OP is clearly talking about Abrahamists.

Plato was an atheist. Read the Laws moron.

You said "notable atheists," not "notable non-Christians."

notable theists, though not Christians
>Homer
>Pindar
>Aeschylus
>Herodotus
>Thucydides
>Sophocles
>Euripides
>Aristophanes
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Virgil
>Horace
>Cattulus
>Confucius
>Laozi
>Zhuangzi
>Luo Guanzhong
>Shi Nai'an
>Wu Cheng'en
>Cao Xueqin
>Vyasa
>Buddha
>Adi Shankara
>Melville
>Yeats
>Walt Whitman
>thousands of anonymous writers

Is this bait? Laws is proof that Plato wasn't an atheist.

>ayn rand
>proved objective reality
>debunked objective reality
No wonder she went bonkers.
>Notable Agnostics
>literal whos + jkr
>literal whos + some (((enlightment))) faggots
>notable atheists
>proto Christians

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most of those weren't atheists and the ones that were are jews so who cares

>>notable atheists
>>proto Christians
What?

>Ayn Rand
>Best author of all time
2/10 bait. made me giggle, though.

yes they were really atheists
>enlighenment fags
who is an enlightenment fag on that list?
and none of those are literal who's is this your first time on a literature board?

Not him.
But let's be honest here, OP is talking about Christians. It's ludicrous to compare Greek mythology to Christian cults.

Hey Mindy

[bait image]
My view
>cherrypick good
Your view
>cherrypick bad

When are you going to realize i'm the best [cherrypicker]?

>Thomas Pynchon (the most acclaimed postmodern author)
>David Foster Wallace (Yea Forums's biggest meme)
>Karl Marx (one of the most well-known philosophers of all time)
>H. G. Wells (one of the most influential sci-fi authors of all time; everyone has heard of War of the Worlds)
>Joseph Conrad (everyone has heard of Heart of Darkness)
>H. P. Lovecraft (one of the most influential horror authors of all time)
>Franz Kafka (one of the most acclaimed/influential modernist authors. Also, everyone has heard of The Metamorphosis )
>Friedrich Nietzsche (one of the most well-known philosophers of all time)
>"literal whos"
The fuck, user? You can dislike the above-mentioned authors, but calling them "literal whos" makes you look like an ignorant pleb.

notable pagans
>infinity list

>Dante was a Christian
This is like saying Shakespeare supported the monarchy. They each "supported" their patrons to the extent that was necessary but it had almost no effect on their work. The comedy is "about" hell but if you read it it doesn't feel like he was deeply involved with Catholicism.

You're kidding right? Purgatory is almost an exclusively Catholic thing.

>Leo Tolstoy
OH NONONONONO
You're a fucking retard

it goes downhill after Cattulus and up again with Yeats

>Kafka
>Lovecraft
Source? Their characters/stories don't count as evidence. Also:
>Proust
>Rimbaud
Literal faggots being atheist? Color me surprised.

>greatest author of all time
Listen cat I'm probably a harder Objectivist than you but she aint no goddamn Tolstoy. She even says herself that she despises Tolstoy but has no choice but to conclude him a great writer.

And all of them are cucks.

That list is lacking Borges, Beckett, Joyce, Kafka, Keats, Lovecraft, Nabokov ,Pessoa, Stendhal and Turgenev ;)

>yes they were really atheists
No. Beckett, Kafka, and Lovecraft were agnostics.

What a bunch of shitters

Kafka was agnostic, retard.

Cringe

>They each "supported" their patrons to the extent that was necessary but it had almost no effect on their work. The comedy is "about" hell but if you read it it doesn't feel like he was deeply involved with Catholicism.
Jesus Christ... no joke intended.

Rimbaud reverted to Islam.

>A Westerner converting to Islam
That's peak cuckoldry.

Lovecraft was an atheist/agnostic. He was raised in a Christian household but rejected Christianity when he was a child (he began openly questioning the existence of God when he was 5) and became a Roman-style pagan. Then around the age of 12 or 13, he realized paganism is a hoax and became an atheist, and remained an atheist for the rest of his life. He did admit that some sort of God may exist, but he believed it was highly unlikely. Here, I'll let him do the talking;

>"All I say is that I think it is damned unlikely that anything like a central cosmic will, a spirit world, or an eternal survival of personality exist. They are the most preposterous and unjustified of all the guesses which can be made about the universe, and I am not enough of a hairsplitter to pretend that I don't regard them as arrant and negligible moonshine. In theory, I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist." - H. P. Lovecraft, 1932

>I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist
Sounds like an agnostic.
> and became a Roman-style pagan.
what a fucking weird guy? wtf was his problem? lmao

Fuck off Mindy and delete your instagram page. You did nothing but ruin this board by bringing normies here and also reading pomo doesn't make you smarter. You should've stopped at Kierkegaard.

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Throughout his whole life he deeply admired the Romans and their culture.

Who's Mindy? Please link her instagram.

They did many things right, but ripping off Greek mythology and literature was not one of them.

Her meme page
instagram.com/lit_memes_and_greentexts

Her personal
instagram.com/zaloqs

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The only good comment here

>An atheist by definition would be fully convinced of the nonexistence of God.
A(without) theist(belief in a theistic god). Atheist: someone who does not believe in a theistic god.
No reasonable man believes in the nonexistence of something unless it can be shown to be contradictory. An atheist is someone who holds that there isn't sufficient evidence for the existence of a theistic god, and therefore he does not believe that one exists just as he does not believe that undetectable unicorns exist.
Not believing in the existence of something is not the same as believing in the nonexistence of something.

Artaud, Bataille, Kafka, Rimbaud and Derrida all had a complex relationship with religion, I couldn't call any of them full atheists.
most of the rest were either edgelords or fedoras with a simplistic view of religion

Are you fucking stupid?

Wittgenstein literally believed in the resurrection. Like the dude may have tried to kill metaphysics but he was more orthodox than half of the actual Christians on the original list.

fpbp

>Ayn Rand
>Best author of all time
>fpbp
I swear I'm not sure if you faggots are joking or not.

No, for the record.

Islam
>Toss gays off roofs
>Diligant traditionalist rituals
>Imbued with political power
>Warrior prophet btfos non-believers

Christianity
>Pretend to like gays, most priests are gay
>Easy "rituals" for the fat and lazy
>Cucked by secularism
>SJW prophet who preaches equality and washes the feet of degenerates

Why are newfags obsessed with a cucked and bluepilled religion instead of the true redpilled one for chads?

Feet, especially degenerate feet, are so fucking hot

cringe and yikes

Jesus was a footfag. Makes sense that only self-loathing degenerates larp about how Christian they are on here

...

Lmao imagine being that deluded you interpret his brief comments on the resurrection as a statement of belief.

Not an argument

It's true, though.

Because no one wants to be part of a disgusting religion like Islam lmao
>just kill everyone you don't like xDD
cringe

>Atheists: God doesn't exist bro
>Also atheists: AKSHUWALLEE, we believe God may exist.
Woah

>pointing out my argument is a fallacy isn't an argument

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Whether God exists or not, you have to admit generally speaking art made under the influence of Christianity is much superior to art made under the influence of atheism.

They're literally all christians

>Plato was an atheist

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He is obviously a moron. Not to mention a lot of his work is unavowed criticisms of Christ.

IT'S 50BCE, THE AVERAGE ATHENIAN:
bruh, most notable writters aren't christians, lol, what a bunch of illiterate cucks, refuted lol, olympus rules :^B

Stop being a fucking dumb bitch, of course most notable west writters are christians.

Not at all trolling. The Laws says there is no necessity or God as the multitude understands him, but only contingency, and God is identical to his creation etc. which is either blatantly incoherent or the concealment of an atheistic philosophy. Read some Strauss and Farabi too.

>atheists are incapable of understanding great literature

Did you miss that or something?

>God is in your brain

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She posts a lot of positivist shit

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I might be in love.

His father died wheb he was quite young, and so he probably didnt absorb anything from him. And read any of his works. He had at best a superficial understanding of the Bible. It comes through in his analysis. Someone as gifted philosophically as him wouldn't have made the arguments about Christianity he did if he was aware of the language in the Bible.

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD. But also daily reminder: the Catholic Church is literally a safehaven for pedophiles, pederasts, homosexuals, rapists, etc.

Nice bait here’s your (you)

When i know a philospher is a theist i fear his conclusions may be bogus

based android tentacle shcizo data reaper

You're right, he was a false Christian who just happened to quote from obscure, dense theological works of purely religious interest because he was le epic freethinker conforming to the times

cope harder

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I assumed it was, but now you're making me doubt the state of this board again.

Notable Christians
>God
Notable Atheists
>???

Who is Isaac Newton?

Go back to sleep, Hitler.

Except he talks about the objective existence of an afterlife, and most definitely believes in some ultimate good, a la its Form, so that is why many classical philosopers consider him a theist.

>Schopenhauer
Schopie shit on atheists in Parerga and Paralipomena pretty hard, in defense of Christians no less.

So that means God didn't exist until Christianity was created by people plagiarizing other religions.

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>say Hitler
>I win

110 IQ

>Rupi Kuar
Well, at least Agnostics have looks on their side.

google kingdom of god is within you

Because post-Golden Age Islam is nothing more than barbarism. Also, Muhammad was an insane pedophile.

Aquinas is literally the foundation of Western Law, too. The shadows of the great theologians are so massive; it's why most fedora's have never seen sunlight.

>blatantly incoherent
You're a big guy