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>His stories are apolitical, abstract pieces of art.
>Separate the art from the artist! XD
brainlet analysis

Agreed he is a brainlet, but lovecrafts racial prejudices need not be the focal point of every analysis of his work. Yes it is integral in the nature of some of his stories and certain readings predicated on xenophobia are inevitable and it would be in bad faith to deliberately ignore, however its equally unfair to lovecraft the artist to couch everything is done in his social and racial views, discounting his artistry wholesale

>His stories are apolitical, abstract pieces of art

one of his stories literally has the monster just be a nigger. his stories are definitely political

pretty mediocre poet but fairly enjoyable

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>reading lovecraft for the poetry

Love him, he's my favorite author.

Have a Lovecraft Anthology and his prose and creativity is pretty dope. I haven't read all of his work but what I noticed is that he doesn't often describe his creatures in detail. I understand the point of Cosmic Horror is the unknown and that witnessing this horror cannot be described to a person but I feel that that it is just lazy writing.

He got mad about people saying this about him so he wrote a story and inserted his detractors in as a character making the same criticism of an author similar to himself. By the end of the story, that critic learns his lesson. Surprised he went that far.

Separating the art from the artist is what patrician connoisseurs do. That's why Roman Polanski's movies are good. Only plebbit tier brainlets care about the personal life.

Which one? I don't remember that.

Lovecraft is so apolitical that he makes up cities and religions so as to not reference real ones. Yes, often he will set his stories in a society which is collapsing, but he almost never explains why it's collapsing, because the reasons aren't important to him. Even when he delves into psychological themes he never turns it into any kind of moral. Everything in his stories is meant to service emotional impact. Nothing more.

He's my favorite writer. His xenophobia is one of the reasons, because the foreigner is a legitimate object of horror. Simply walking outside and feeling like your home has been invaded by an alien race, with whom you have no meaningful relationship and is even hostile to you, that indeed your home no longer exists and has been consumed by the outer darkness -- this is the truth of "multiculturalism."

An absolute racist whose books should be shredded and then burned. If you enjoy him, just know that you're complicit in preserving the racist system in which we unfortunately find ourselves.

>whom you have no meaningful relationship and is even hostile to you
Xenophobes are usually the hostile ones, as proved by your reply. And we have no meaningful relationships with anyone outside our friends and family, anyway.

His stories are good, though. Stop browsing Redit for a while and be objective.

>Xenophobes are usually the hostile ones
Crime rates say otherwise.

There is a paradigmatic relationship that is shared with one's own people, a similar mode of thought and custom, even if conclusions differ -- a sort of shared cultural trust. This undergoes a breakdown in a multicultural environment, which only worsens the problem.

>Crime rates say otherwise.
Depends on the country.

I can only speak of my own, and my own race. Some are more primitive than others.

There's a big difference between a meaningful relationship and a "paradigmatic relationship". Your mother and the retard around the corner who happens to have the same nationality and skin colour than you are on different levels.

weird flex but okay

Horror is subjective to some degree.
Sure, but the lack of that paradigmatic relationship creates mass alienation at the societal level. People cease to be on the same (broad) wavelength, can no longer understand each other. It creates mutual hostility, increases crime, decreases trust. Your neighborhood changes and you can no longer walk down the street at night. There are now people you need to avoid looking the eye, lest you provoke violence. If you don't get it, there's nothing more I can say. You're either non-white and this situation is an improvement for you, or you're sheltered enough to only have to interact with the foreigners that are wealthy enough to behave properly.

Read "Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote" and get back to me.

That just sounds like xenophonbia with extra steps and like a justification to hate on any foreigner based on "wavelenghts" (?). There's tension and conflicts even withing single-race, single-nationality communities as well. But nibbers should be gassed anyway, let's be honest.

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Very entertaining, way ahead of his time.
I just wonder were is works directed at younglings, because he basically always gives a the "mystery" in an obvious matter, or was that just the spirit of times (pleb audience) where you didn't have to subvert expectations at every point

Yes it is xenophobia. I'm literally telling you that this is something that is horrifying and frightening to experience. It is a justified fear and a legitimate subject of horror fiction, e.g. Lovecraft. That's my point.

A genius

An overrated Machen-wannabe.

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> the hostile ones, as proved by your reply
oh shut the fuck up you insidious pussy

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but:

(SPOILERS)

>Medusa's Coil
The plot twist 'monster' is a "negress".

>On the Creation of Niggers
Poem about how black people are beasts and not human, "full of vice".

>He
A man shows the narrator the future, which is full of "yellow, squint-eyed" Asian immigrants. Narrator gets a Lovecraftian panic attack.

>The horror at Red Hook
Foreigners are sacrificing humans in Brooklyn.

He and The Horror at Red Hook were both written just after Lovecraft moved to New York, near Red Hook.

>The Shadow Over Innsmouth
Story about a city full of degenerate fish people, whose ancestors fucked fish monsters. The plot twist in the story is that the narrator is also part fish monster. Lovecraft wrote this story just after he found out his great-grandmother was Welsh, and is very clearly about his fear of race-mixing.

I'm not going to quote more, but I hope you're getting the picture.

Houllebecq wrote in his bibliographical study that Lovecraft's central motivation as a writer was racial resentment.
Lovecraft even wrote in an old fashioned British English because he saw English people and people of English descent as being superior to everyone else.
Most of his cosmic monster stories are written because he was terrified of people who weren't English (even Welsh, Irish and German people he saw as beneath him) and the influence they can have on him (i.e. him going insane because his perfect culture has been defiled). The only reason he managed to marry a Jewish girl is because he thought she was "well assimilated".

If you really think that his works are apolitical, then you haven't been reading his background or his stories thoroughly enough.

lmao imagine if he came across actual british """people""". What an existential crises hed have.

Grow up

Thanks for explaining why he is the best writer.

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And yet the impact of the work still resonates with people who read it. Rly makes me thnk

Those are all things that are actually scary, though.

His work was hardly apolitical as a whole, especially nearing the end of his life. In stories like The Mound, At the Mountains of Madness, and The Shadow Out of Time, the extraterrestrial societies he describes mirror the developments of his political thought found in the many letters he wrote, with The Mound and AtMoM especially being influenced by his reading of the first volume of The Decline of the West, and the Great Race in The Shadow Out of Time following his utopian vision of socialism. Beyond that, of course numerous stories are imbued with racism as has already been discussed.

That said, I do find the focus on his racism exhausting at this point and it seems like a very dull thing to obsess over when dealing with such an imaginative body of work.

To call him a "wannabe" of any of the writers who influenced him is incredibly lazy and makes me wonder if you're just trying to get cool guy points for mentioning someone slightly less well-known.

In my country most people think quite bad of inmigrants from near countries (Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru...), and they have certain reasons for that (literally most crime doers are from that nationality; shoplifters, drug dealers, and etc), apart from the fact that they THEMSELVES tend to separate from us (kinda like the Jews, but with less culture). So, we treat them in a human way, just that, without neither mixing or making relations.

Sounds BASED

I'm my case I admit the racism, and certain political aspects, throughout his works; I don't deny them, but taking into account the massive imagination (despite WHAT triggered that creativity) displayed, and all those stories being so highly original, I can't help myself ignoring his life facts.
Don't get me wrong, I sure wouldn't agree with him, as I don't agree with lots of writers opinions/life but I still enjoy their works. (for instance: nazi architecture, dictatorial marchs, pre-raphaelite paintings, etc).

fuck off retard

>oh no deary me racism is BAD
Imagine being this gay

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Our Hesiod.

I don't see the problem faggot. As I stated before, in my country inmigrants are not really good, but there are some things called CONVIVENCE and GIVING A FUCK.

>in my country they are negatives but there are things called EMPTY WORDS
I've been TRAINED TO REPEAT.
You're a fag dude. I'm going fishing.

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Have a nice day

>these people are hostile and mean us harm but it's called giving a fuck, okay? like, it's 2019. we need to let them live in our country. stop the hate and fuck borders.

An author defined by his neuroses. His works are a therapist's wet dream, as they provide an uncommonly clear window into his own pathologies. Wrote several of the best horror stories ever written, most of which are genuinely creepy, even today. Started out a little too baroque in his language, and unfortunately died in his prime, when he had only recently found the perfect balance between the antiquated styles he was trying to emulate and his own independent voice. His bigotry was severely overblown into meme status, as his disdain was really more so for the great unknown "other" than anyone in particular, as made evident by the way his feelings softened up significantly later in life, after he started having more IRL encounters with different kinds of people. If I could magically slap an extra 20 years onto any writer's life, it would probably be him, just to see where his work would've gone. Excellent writer.

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>depends on the country
Please, continue.

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>Houllebecq wrote in his bibliographical study that Lovecraft's central motivation as a writer was racial resentment.
That's fucking stupid. His primary motivation was his own fear of the unknown. That's just the only manifestation of that fear that retards like you can see or even care about.
>Lovecraft even wrote in an old fashioned British English because he saw English people and people of English descent as being superior to everyone else.
He wrote in that fashion because those were the kind of stories that he grew up reading. Thumbing through extremely old books was almost his only means of entertainment. He discovered that style of prose as a child and fell so in love with it that he spent most of his life imitating it. That's probably also where he got his fascination with ancient texts.
>The only reason he managed to marry a Jewish girl is because he thought she was "well assimilated".
That was his excuse for marrying her. In all likelihood, he married her because she was one of the few women who he could feel semi-comfortable with. His bigotry arose out of inexperience, so it was fairly disingenuous. That's the nature of the fear of the unknown, once it becomes known, it's automatically less scary.
>If you really think that his works are apolitical, then you haven't been reading his background or his stories thoroughly enough.
They're not political. They're psychological. You're the one who's making the mistake of extrapolating his very personal stories into political statements. That's something whiny faggots and brainwashed academics tend to do because they feel like that makes it easier to criticize things that bother them under a facade of objectiveness and social urgency.

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You dont sound like you have a very deep knowledge of Lovecraft's life or views. Many of his letters explicitly discuss his political intent behind his early fiction, and it was readily apparent that Lovecraft did not consider his own racism or xenophobia "fear of the unknown", but was rather candid and direct with exactly what it was about foreigners he detested. You're trying to paint his racism as naively vague and borne from understandable anxieties, but the plain truth is that he was who he was and your foolish rationalization doesnt do anything other than to help you sleep better at night for enjoying his work. I enjoy it too, but harbor no false illusions about how integral his racism and xenophobia were to his fiction

>Lovecraft did not consider his own racism or xenophobia "fear of the unknown", but was rather candid and direct with exactly what it was about foreigners he detested
Are you actually foolish enough to grant any weight to what someone says about themselves? Especially in relation to their literature? And what about Lovecraft's letters and fiction led to you believe he was the kind of man who'd ever openly disempower himself by admitting to his own obsessive fears and neuroticism? He didn't just write about foreigners and brown people, you brainwashed cunt. He wrote about white hillbillies and people from lowly families and strange religions and degenerates of every sort. They're his most readily available symbols of the great unknown. They're denizens of places he's never been and experiences that for all he knew could be utterly nightmarish. I fucking hate this narrow, brainwashed, university English major bullshit. The great unknown is the absolute overarching theme that runs through almost everything he ever wrote. If you're actually denying that, you're hopeless. You're not even missing the forest for the trees, you're only focused on one branch.
>You're trying to paint his racism as... borne from understandable anxieties
What's not understandable about it? His work is very transparent in displaying these feelings and his upbringing made it impossible for him to come out any other way. Is it not important to consider the how and why? This is exactly what I was talking about. You want to label his material as political just so you can broadly condemn certain elements of it and move on. It's easier than having to grapple with the nuance of an actual human being producing deeply personal work.
>your foolish rationalization doesnt do anything other than to help you sleep better at night for enjoying his work
There is no amount of racist undertones that have ever kept me from enjoying anything. I also never said that it wasn't there.

>I enjoy it too, but harbor no false illusions about how integral his racism and xenophobia were to his fiction
Is it possible to discuss Lovecraft without progressive moralfags crying about racism?

He's by no means apolitical, but you're right that he's good at depicting the abstract.

low quality bait

boring writing but a class act.
I mean how many writers are almost like they are made up characters?

You can tell just by looking at him that he wants to shout the n-word

you guys should read this blog post
radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/cosmic-horror/

The racism is an integral part of his work and if you are an anti-racist sissyfag you can't comprehend the terror.

Based writer is based

I think his writing is boring as hell.

>Use word that means to fear/hate the "other"
>Claim they are usually more hostile
Holy shit user you are actually retarded

I'm not being a moralfag, just a realist. I have no problem with his racism desu, but I'm not going to pretend it isnt there like some baby in denial

It makes more sense to me to accept an author's reasonably asserted opinion about their own writing than legions of leftist 'progressives' who cant get past the fact that lovecraft didnt like niggers. Likewise, it makes more sense to accept Lovecraft's explicit statements of intent than mindless fan babies who are unable to reconcile their enjoyment of his writing with the fact that he had some objectionable tendencies in character according to the modern palette. It's like most lovecraft fans these days try to reduce their own cognitive dissonance by minimizing how prejudiced Lovecraft was and attributing it to general psychological fear of the unknown that was only incidentally racially based. This is stupid, I like lovecraft too but you sort of have to take his writing and his character as it is. He was very racist/xenophobic, a lot of it bled into his fiction, and imo his horror is much better for it

/pol/ twelve year old need to circle jerk anyone who aliens with there belief but was otherwise talented. That’s why they neglect far more interesting elements of his writing like his Braque strange prose that mirrored and his intense and distilled approach to tone that approached leaves of hysteria with the climax. They don’t want to struggle with ideas that are cosmic and scale so they make it a 1 to 1 allegory for the time they got really scared of a black person waiting in the checkout line with them

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>A man shows the narrator the future, which is full of "yellow, squint-eyed" Asian immigrants. Narrator gets a Lovecraftian panic attack.
I also remember the ancestors of the Inuit (at least in Lovecraft's universe) as destroyers of more advanced and more peaceful civilizations, but I can take it with a grain of salt... because if one goes that deep into History and anthropology there would be just about nothing left to read.

>he was terrified of people who weren't English
I think it was only up to his 20s, and even before that he considered the people of England of his time as corrupts and inepts compared to their ancestors of the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries.

Nah he wrote the shadow over innsmouth in his 40's, and red hook in his 30's.

>muh /pol/ boogyman

>muh, putting “muh” before a legitimate issue to suddenly invalidate it

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You're right, but I think it's important to remember that there isn't anything wrong with his central ideas or motivations. If scientific racism is real to you then it's a good topic to explore.
I'd say the real criticism of Lovecraft is his weird purple-prose and at times tiring pacing. I remember reading his stories before I was used to them and I found myself having to reread paragraphs because I zoned out-- and that was the good stuff. I shudder to think what the bad stuff was like in that regard.
Really cool, imaginative ideas though. I love Lovecraft, but the tragedy is that mechanically he's just not a great writer. It's ok though. Having a vivid imagination and good ideas is enough for me.