/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

They are scared of it.

>She likes being stared at by chads but is grossed out by the looks of inferior men
Very accurate

Just look like this dude.
Notice the piercing gaze.

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Why do I feel greasy and violated just by looking at his photo???

You're feeling the enchantment.

The man knew what he was writing about.

You are looking at an Underpants gnome.

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>that chest hair
m-manly as fuck desu

i love maps, i always check and find where the characters currently are, and check all the of places they mention. its comfy

Remember to ignore Rothfuss posts and do not reply to Rothfuss posters

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Now this is the cursed content I didn't need.

they look so cute together

>tfw listening to the Lord of the Rings audiobook read by Rob Inglis
I read the books some years ago, and don't normally go for audiobooks at all, but this is pretty damn good.
Even the songs; they're great.

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Do they actually sing the songs?

>they
Yes. Rob Inglis, a 57 year old british man at the time of the recording, sings all the songs. His Tom Bombadil is great.

>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?

When the author is haphazardly throwing geographical locations at me a map sure comes handy. Doesn't need to be anything fancy, just a general outlining. Apart from that, I'm indifferent, but at the same time, I do like scrutinising maps for the sake of it.

>Post your favourite map of a secondary world.

Walter Moers is so damn underrated.

>As always, what are you currently reading?

I'm reading half a dozen books but I plan to read Sabriel soon after seeing people talking about it here. Seems like a pretty fun read.

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How is his Galadriel?

He does put on a more feminine voice when he does the female characters, and it's a bit funny, but I find it endearing and quite good (considering the fact that he is a middle-aged+ man). The whole thing feels a bit like an elderly relative reading you a story, and there are no sound effects or anything of the sort (which is apparently a thing in some audiobooks?).

>which is apparently a thing in some audiobooks?
Some audiobooks are more like plays, with sound effects and several voice actors for the different characters. Can't say I'm a fan.

Is Kvothe the worst fantasy protagonist of all time?

Nah. There are bound to be worse ones.
youtube.com/watch?v=l7tsDLrwrMU

No,that's Rand

It's almost of if the trolls have only read 3 fantasy books ever.

>>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?
As a kid I liked them, but now I get annoyed every time a book has one. Usually when that's the case, the author feels like he can just namedrop his locations and people will just check the map. No you fucking dickwad, I'm not gonna do your work for you. If you characters are traveling, you should be competent enough to convey it clearly in your prose.

No but really, why didn't the eagles drop the ring into the volcano?

Gandalf is an angel,he wants to show god that mortals can solve they're own shit

Is that a genuine question or the standard jest? I've used that question in the past to get LotR threads started; they always turn out pretty good, and last considerably longer than any thread started with a serious comment or question.

Crazy how rotfuss,sanderson,jordan,martin and abercrombie are the only fantasy writers after tolkien.onw would think that they were hundreds of writers inbetween those 50 years.

>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?

It really depends on the book/series.

Maybe they should get on Patrick's level.

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Because they're fiercely independent creatures who aren't there to be lackeys. I don't even think the eagles saw it as their fight. They involved as a favor for Gandalf.

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OH NONONONONO

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Redditors are cringe incarnate, we know.

Is it good

I just don't understand why such the big praise over it. I understand why people can get into Sanderson but The Kingkiller Chronicles are just so trash.

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Jesus christ

There's a reason Sam Raimi backed out of directing this. He saw this shit and knew it was bad.

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>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?
Maps are a big plus for me, since the setting and world building a big reason for why I get into fantasy series. There's plenty of fantasy series I've read where the map doesn't add much to the story, but on the whole I think it can't hurt.
>Post your favourite map of a secondary world.
Tolkien's maps will always be my favorites. I'm quite partial to this map of Beleriand, I have a fold out version in my copy of the Silmarillion.
>As always, what are you currently reading?
Empire of Grass by Tad Williams, latest installment of his sequel series (probably tetralogy knowing him) to Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn.

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It's hilarious to me how many criticisms of fantasy maps can be applied to real world locations.

A good map definitely improves a fantasy series especially since they tend to cover a lot of locations and geography so it helps to have a visual aid for the reader.

Say what you like, it makes no sense for the Alps to be where they are!

a good map can tell a story in and of itself.

have sex

cuz sauron put them there i think

I was bothered by that too, until I read The Silmarillion. The Valar (god-like beings) can warp the geography of the world. Melkor, the evil Valar, actually did that to protect his fortress in the North of Beleriand (a continent west of middle earth that flooded), so it could have very well happened again with Mordor. The Valar can shape, warp and flood entire continents at will.

tldr: it's intentional.

then I wouldn't be here

How many novels are being held back by Trump's presidency?

Probably not any good ones.

No novels but the current Trump book trend is definitely impacting the non fiction market.

Kingkiller 3

Why? Has he started burning books?

I never understood this crying red nose meme. What is it about?

Damn Sanderson is a big guy.

>there are no sound effects or anything of the sort (which is apparently a thing in some audiobooks?).
They are called graphic audio. Early Anita Blake used to have gunshot sound effects with the books. Stopped in later books.

>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?
Yes, I am a pretty visual person.

>Post your favourite map of a secondary world.
Not my favorite, but it's been stuck in my head lately. Truth shines.

>As always, what are you currently reading?
Ted Chiang's 'Exhalation' (ethics of AI, religion+science, damn it's all there) & Alfred Bester's 'The Starts my Destination' (spoiler: Foyle is fucking pissed).

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>kvothe is different because he focuses all his attention on her
>implying that creepy fucks wouldn't do the same

how is that sequel series going? better/equal to the og?

Rotgut got assblasted by the orange man
not an american so I don't give two fucks
blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2016/11/the-obligatory-election-blog/

Obsession with MUH SOI cultivated by /pol/

Tough to say since I haven't read the original in a long time so my memories of it are more vague impressions of how I felt about things rather than details. On the whole I feel like the new series ramps up faster, but I think that's something Tad Williams has just gotten better at over time in general, I feel he's genuinely improved as a writer over the years I've been reading him.

From what I recall of the original series, it was a lot more tightly focused on a narrow set of characters, primarily following Simon in a very typical-for-the-time heroic fantasy story. Last King of Osten Ard though jumps around a lot, which is something Tad Williams started doing more in his later books, particularly Shadowmarch and Otherland, where you not only get protagonist but also antagonist points of view, often times in overlapping scenes.

So as a result the new series feels more dynamic and quicker to jump into the intrigue and mystery that makes his books so compelling, I'm glad to see he's brought everything he's learned over the last 30 years back to Osten Ard.

YouTube reactor overselling his reaction to the new Star Wars trailer

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dune, malazen or black company , which do i start today?

duen then BC then malazan

black company

Holy Jesus.
I'm a lazy weeb of a NEET. This guy makes me look like a mega-chad in comparison.
>Dune
It's long, and can be very dry, but is rewarding. Start if you're willing to sink some time into it and like seeing the rise (and downfall, in Dune Messiah) of a religious figure.
>Malazan
Super long. The first book throws you in the deep end and is a bit different to the others, second book is god-tier, depending on how you find it, you'll know how you feel about the rest by then. If you like tons of characters across multiple continents with tons of shit happening, you'll like it.
>Black Company
I reccomend this, as the first book has a nice open-ish ending if you want to stop there, as does the third book - the rest make you read all the way to the end to get closure. For all it's called the progenitor of grimdark, it's actuay comfy as fuck. Read if you like seeing a mercenary company in low-fantasy world.

thanks guys, bc then dune, followed by malazen it is then!

Heightmogged AND framemogged AND salesmogged
Brandy is based.

Who cares about the lesser shits
I just read books from the top 5 or so, whenever I tried to read something else I found it shit.

MEGA cringe.

No no, it's about being Chad and focusing all your attention like you're directing endless unconditional love and attention, and not like you're looking at someone you want to fuck. That's how it becomes enchanting. The intent behind your actions shapes the outcome. Trust me I'm an arcanist

>The intent behind your actions
Is this what they call "jawline" these days?

Checked and keked

>just look her in the eyes bro!

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In general I like having maps, the problem starts when the writer has no sense of scale.

The two problems I see most often.

1. The writer has a location that is treated as exotic to most of the characters but the map obviously shows that it isn't really all that far.

2. Distances shown as being very long are crossed very quickly (you don't really need a map to have this problem but it just makes it more glaring)

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why is this so popular

Why did Song of Ice and Fire succeed when GG Kay, Salvatore, and the rest of tolkienclones blew it?

asoif isn't a tolkien clone

>GGK and Salvatore
>blew it
They live off their books, user; that's success.
As to aSoIaF, see

Ts is

Salvatore wrote like 36 books of the lv 45 manlet drow

Hey Slavs itt, how are the English translations of The Witcher books?

Authentic. The books are just as bad as they were in Polish.

It's really fun. Stop being uppity. Only the Yen cuckoldery scenes suck.

Which is better, Earthsea or the Hainish novels?

the prose is awful

Who cares, not every book is gonna have flowery prose. I doubt give a shit as long as it's enjoyable.

One of the show runners read the early books, liked it, told the other show runner to read it. He liked it too. They said lets make a show about it. Sold it to HBO after many years of effort. You need people in the TV industry, the fact they've read a particular book(s), hope for a miracle a network wants it, countless other lucky factors and finally a show is made. No one was making fantasy shows of that scale before GoT. Hell it wasn't even a success until around season 3 and it got caught up in a perfect storm of water cooler gossip. Only because ASoIaF has been a success do any of those other authors get a chance to be serialized. It's why there are LotR and WoT and The Witcher shows currently being filmed.

What's some good fantasy and sci fi that you (yes, you) haven't seen talked about on this board?

Tigana

Tower of Fear

Hello newfriend, welcome to the Science Fiction and Fantasy General.

when was the last discussion on it? can you link to the archive?

Literally the last thread.

thanks for linking it

The Vagrant by Peter Newman
Worth reading?

Are you pretending or are you really this stupid? It's been mentioned in the last 2 threads, you don't need a fucking archive for that, check the OP.

Tigana isn't the most talked about book around here but it's mentioned fairly often, I'd say at least once every 2-3 threads or so, and in a positive light most of the time.

wow you really enlightened me

Hainish has the dispossessed, so the cycle wins here.

A fellow Cookaboo, I see. It's good shit; was shilling it maybe... five threads ago?

>It's long, and can be very dry
hehe

Im currently reading Watership Down, I really like the map that it has even though it's not really necessary for the story

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youre not necessary for the story

Yeah, those are a holdover from radioplays, which used to be a thing in the 80's and earlier.
Some of these aren't too bad. I think the solaris full cast audiobook is ok. Feels nice to listen to.
Even if the plain narrated one is better.
Elric of melnibone audiobook with 4+ hours of composed music and background audio is fantastic.

>watch an animu called Bungou Stray Dogs
>one of the main genocidal villains from last season apparently doesn't die
>gets found by a subordinate who clearly cares about him
>he clearly loves his waifu very much
>comes back to do something genuinely nice once in a while for a poor soul
>it's a fantastic and heartwearming episode

>read a book
>the only character I like dies because they're a villain and looked at the author the wrong way or they're a complete and terrible person so much that I don't even like them at all
Why are books written by westerners so uncomfy?

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it's not a westerner thing, it's an expectation thing
plebs in general like it when the villain gets BTFO and dies, so the hero can "win" the story
as for unlikrable villains, blame tolkien for normalising "muh scary evul villain"
I like LotR, but it homogenised so much of fantasy
also, gonna check out that weeb shit, thanks. what other animoo would you compare it to?
and, to be lit-friendly, what book has come closest to matching those feels?

wee bintar

>blame tolkien for normalising "muh scary evul villain"
>I like LotR, but it homogenised so much of fantasy
>blame tolkien
It's Tolkien fans-turned-authors you should be blaming, it's not his fault everybody copied him.

Give me portal fantasy or time travel fantasy which is set around a modern character that somehow ends up in a mediaeval or any pre modern technology world.

I've read Cast Under an Alien Sun, it was shit, the writer is a hack. He had a nice premise but had clue what the fuck to do with it. So, I'm looking for something that is similar but not shit.

Please no litrpg..

It's not actually a great animu at all, it just starts off as a mediocre anime/manga interspersed with some bizarrely occasionally well executed moments of characterisation, usually of characters outside the main cast since the protagonist is quite annoying. And as I don't usually read urban fantasy, I have nothing really to compare it to bookwise or animewise (as I suppose the only other urban fantasy-esque anime I have actually picked up is Hunter x Hunter -- I think I am a much bigger fan of alt history fantasy mango/animu and scifi mango/animu), but I suppose it's just one example of how an otherwise mediocre anime can be much less predictable than books and make characters feel stunningly more human all of a second, almost as if there has been always been a veil between the reader and the character and that it was all of a sudden lifted. I only picked it up because all the characters are named after authors and I was a fan of the art.

I think that some books may approach a redemption-esque trajectory or show more dimensions towards characters who are conventionally evil, but usually only at the very end. And then they tend to have outcomes like a certain GGK novel which makes me feel very angry. It's not the only novel like that, but it bothers me that I have not been surprised in a very long time (and it's not just villain-wise or whether or not I care about the characters) but it's just that there is something essential missing in so many books, some key spark of inspiration or worldbuilding that I used to see before and just isn't there any longer.

Am I a shitter for liking this trilogy?

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No problem newfag.

Plenty. Yall just shit on my charts without reading.

Your self published chart is a harem galore and your other chart has Brent Weeks and Mark Lawrence on it. And you wonder why people tell you to kill yourself when you post them. Every second that you are alive is a waste of precious oxygen.

>Please no litrpg..
Then you're out of luck.

Seconding this question, I wanted the same thing, also read Cast Under an Alien Sun, also thought it was shit.

This book is pretty decent
goodreads.com/book/show/94715.Lest_Darkness_Fall

Did Brent Weeks fuck your girlfriend in the bathroom when he was a bartender?
His books are fun. I enjoy fun and assume that others in the general wants fun things too.
>because a chart has a certain book that means everything in that chart is shit
Breeks hating user, how many books you read so far for the year?

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Holy fucking cringe

So you like engineering and magical engineering in your books?
Being stranded in the woods and Robinson Crusoeing your way till survival?
Is that what lies at the heart of your request, taking a Swiss army knife, pieces of a bicycle and making a hut with a windmill?

Why is the fagfuss shill replying to his own posts in the hopes of starting a conversation about a topic that has been talked to dead? Why is he trying to show quotes of a book we already read?

Halp. I read nothing but self published books after lurking in this general and seeing every mainstream author is shit.

You've successfully been indoctrinated
Welcome to the heard

Are there any sci fi books that are similar to system shock?

Its not bad. A little hard to follow sometimes but I thought it was pretty cool.

How's the Vorrh trilogy?

>followed some user's meme suggestion and tried The Godking's Legacy
It started out being surprisingly comfy, but went to shit fairly early on, when Durendal saved his retard from getting poisoned.

Any fantasy novels with in a Japan-like setting?

Daughter of the Empire trilogy by Feist

I'm not replying to my own posts you fucking cunt

Suck my fantasy cock, man up and read the Asian Saga novels. It's got proper Nip history.

>because a chart has a certain book that means everything in that chart is shit
Incorrect, I already told you this particular chart is fine except for 3 or 4 books.

The really bad charts are the other two that you spam.

One that you made with your dick, the Amazon Self Published chart has 70% harem/erotica garbage. Jerk off before reading user, or at the very least stop trying to spread your degeneracy and trying to pass it off as good taste.

The other one, the Modern Fantasy Recs chart, came straight out of your asshole, Off the top of my head I can remember that it has books written by
>Breeks
>Abercrombie
>Meme Lawrence
>Peter V. Brett
>NK Jemisin (L M AO)
The few good books included are all golden age sci-fi, included in a chart titled Modern Fantasy Recs. And you wonder why everyone calls you a retard.

I'd really just like to read more things like pic related, but can't find anything. It's not really fantasy but I figured I might be more likely to find something in that genre.

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Poppy War and Grace of Kings. Both are quite average however.

Tales of the Otori, kinda average stuff but there's some hot ninja sex in at least one of them and they're written by a woman so it's not cringy as fuck either.

Poppy War is China though and saying it's average is generous.

Those are both China settings user...

Well, China that Japan invades. But I guess that might not count so fair enough.

Anyone got any recs for fantasy or sci fi lesbian romances?

What's some neat stuff with steppe nomads? I enjoyed Conqueror, which is basically the Last Kingdom/Saxon Stories for Genghis Khan and his descendants, as opposed to Alfed the Great.

Traitor Baru Cormorant has lesbian romance as a major side plot.

>about 1/4 into The Doomed City
>baboons are still present and a major plot thread
>enter an underground vegetable market run by insane nazis hellbent on destroying international jewry
>"What are these baboons supposed to mean?"
>"It's an Aryan assault force, a cunning trick."
I don't think it's the intention but I'm laughing my ass off.

Also, a character denounced as a "clit-licker".

This is a bit of a complicated question, but I'm curious if there is any fantasy/other genre works that would fit what is called "chuuni" in Japanese media. What that is, at least as it pertains to written works like visual novels, is a style of action scene which follows along this sort of progression: 1.) heavy info-dumping and exposition that sets up everything that you need to know about what is going on -- the powers of characters and their implications, setting, whatever it may be; 2.) the creation of a situation in which that description is going to be fulfilled; and the final step 3.) something that turns it around and manages to contradict everything that you just read. That may sound stupid but it creates a very entertaining and climactic fight scene when it's done well. An overly simple example might be: 1.) character A has an invincible attack that does [long explanation], 2.) character A attacks character B with said attack, 3.) HOWEVER --- character B manages to get out of it and win regardless because [long explanation]. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense?

brandon sanderson.

Really? I keep hearing people call his books "anime" but if he actually fits that description I may try him.

I know what chuuni is, but I can't help you
for those confused by that long post
people suffering from chuunibyou are basically high-functioning autists that interpret reality through their own weird point of view and make up fantasies to cope
just like (you)

If you read chuuni VNs all the fight scenes follow that progression that I described, invariably. There are more aspects to the genre but that's the main thing I'm interested in, as I find it entertaining.

Not nearly as common as generic mary sue where the explanation is boring "i wasn't a virgin all along and had even more powerful attack all along I never told you about before". However, there are of course series which *sometimes* subvert the trope. Gintama, Jojo...

ah, I thought you might be after protags that were essentially suffering mental breaks and trying to escape into their own little dream worlds with fights
but yes, unironically Sanderson
he's got this thing that people have termed the Sanderon Avalanche
basically, the whole book builds up to this big, climatic moment where everything happens at once (or rather, one big fight or event happens, then there's a reveal that changes everything, like, sy your pet dog turns out to be a spy for the organisation and is now trying to kill you)
I actually quite like his stuff, despite it some times being a bit... off
I wouldn't quite call him anime, like the Yea Forums meme, but yeah, sometimes it can be like that
I'm not sure where you should start - I started with Mistborn, which is essentially a post-apocalyptic fantasy with a well-defined magic system. Wax and Wayne is a sequel to that series, set in essentially 1800s America
so yeah, try Mistborn, and see how you go

>ah, I thought you might be after protags that were essentially suffering mental breaks and trying to escape into their own little dream worlds with fights
That's fine too if you know of anything.
>but yes, unironically Sanderson...so yeah, try Mistborn, and see how you go
I'll give him a try then. Thanks.

The Lotus War. It's bad though.

Yeah it can be done well or done poorly, depending on how good the writer is.

Try reading the prologue chapters in Way of Kings, specifically the action sequence with the Assassin in White. Pretty anime right there. And I think the books are good anyway.

Blue mage raised by dragons is better than godking. That squirrel just had dicks on her mind, and will harvest them from any and every thing.

By your shilling combined, I have put it on my reading list once I'm done with the monthly reading

That chart was made years ago before peter brett fucked up his series so bad, and Prince of thorns was okayish-maybe. What about the rest of the books?

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look at Ancient Ruins.

This is why I don't stray from the absolute mainstream of fantasy. It's full of dogshit. Just lol

It's not anime but it's certainly chuuni. No one around here is very weeb and just uses anime as a buzzword. If you're weeb enough, the distinction is that Sanderson doesn't write anime fantasy, he basically writes linear visual novels in print format.

The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath < Lord of the ring

Thanks; that sounds like what I'm looking for.

>Canavan's Black Magician trilogy still on there.
I'm I the only one that actually read that steaming dog turd of a series? I've no doubt that there's scalie hobbit fapfiction that's better written than that trash.

Paladin by Cj Cherryh
Shike by Robert Shea

It has a hard place in my pants, so I like. Also that's version 2. Which was done years ago. I have hundreds of new books to take it's place but i just cba.

>Less than 100 on goodreads
That usually means it's kino

NK Jemisin

>>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?
Have them.
>>Post your favourite map of a secondary world.
Tolkien's maps.
>>As always, what are you currently reading?
Eye of the World

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Redpill me on Scourge of the Betrayer.

MALE GAZE INTENSIFIES

>Eye of the World
Is this your first time or a reread? I just finished it a couple days ago and was quite pleased. The little bits and pieces of history we get along the way were some of my favorite parts, so I hope I'll be prepared to keep enjoying the series even through the notorious slower sections. Bring on the great hunt!

I like maps, but I fucking hate it when writers use geography that exists on earth to shape them.
Like the fist time I saw the comparison between Westeros and Great Britain, I thought it was the cheapest shit ever.

I will never understand writers that create fantastical worlds with maps that look plainer than our own.

Cradle was great
Crimson queen was shit
Scourge of the betrayer was ok
I haven’t read anything else here

Fuck this is awful

His wife’s ugly as fuck

I enjoyed the first three as a teenager. The fourth was written later and it didn't come to my attention for a while. I never read it, but I'd second user's suggestion.

He’s a #metoo waiting to happen

When does WoT get good? 3 books in and I'm losing hope lads

because the nazgul have terrifying satanic overgrown pterodactyls that can intercept them

and

all of mordor would see them flying in with the ring. 1 million orc and men of darkness bowmen immediately deployed to mount doom

and

the eagles, I shit you not, would fall to the power of the ring before they could do it. gwaihir would become super powerful, kill sauron, and then take over middle earth as its eagle king.

The next three books are good,you can even stop reading after the sixth book.

Rec me some fantasy books where they kill gods

>get good
The first books are the best part, it gets worse the further it goes.

Where is the best place to download ebooks?

Isn't there only one pterodactyl? It was a while since I read the books (probably time for a reread soon) but from what I remember the flying creature killed by Legolas is some kind of winged horse?

Also, book fellbeast was pretty worthless. I doubt it could have taken even one of the Eagles.

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those are only objections to one of the three reasons but

tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Fell_beasts

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Yeah, I'm not any of the ones you were replying to and have never unironically implied that the Eagles would have been able to take care of the Ring.

huh, this has been sitting on my to read list for a while, bout 2/3s into the first book and it's pretty good so far

>No new posts

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I've never read any Rothfuss or Sanderson but hear people raging about them all the time, are they simply maymays or should I check them out? If so who/where do I start?

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Add

>Chronicles of the black gate
>Echoes of fate
>Kings dark tidings
>Tooth and claw

>expecting superb quality from self-pubs

its not bad, disappointing third book though, Should have kept it focused tighter on the dragon safari. That was the best part. Spygirl is a shitty ass PoV

Crimson queen is good but I do not understand how it is so highly praised and people calling it epic fantasy. I literally only read YA self published shlock and crimson queen didn't stand out more or less than other books I've read.

Too bad the anime couldn't match the quality of the first 3-4 episodes of S2. I mean seriously, that stuff was some of the greatest I've ever seen

Gene wolf is a meme. THE only fantasy is tolkien and scifi is dune

change my mind

Because when you make a fantastical map to match your fantastical world, you get a bunch of autists from /tg/ screeching from hell and back that it's not "realistic". You wouldn't believe the goodreads reviews I read that cry about the map having things in places it shouldn't... When the world is populated by beings who can literally make mountains out of molehills. They cry about a desert not supposed to be at x, when it can be explained that a previous mage / being sucked all the life energy out of an area.

Mapfags are the worst, and they kill fantasy with their autism about it not being "real". Of course it isn't real, humans can't fly unaided in real life. Jesus fuck I get mad when I see mapfags.

>the eagles, I shit you not, would fall to the power of the ring before they could do it. gwaihir would become super powerful, kill sauron, and then take over middle earth as its eagle king.
source?

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any cosmere book

eagles are maiar, or animal equivalent to maiar. same as saruman and gandalf, powerful beings who if they got the ring would become as powerful and terrible as sauron or worse.

but is this ever confirmed, even indirectly, in a tolkien letter or something?

Why is lit moving so fast? This thread is already on page 8.

no one likes sffg :(

Just about to finish the Wheel of Time series.

Really good. 10/10. Some of it was slow paced but they tied it up nicely in the last 2 books after the original author died.

Really enjoyed it. 13 books is a lot thought I'm gonna struggle to re-read.

Because we actually read? Because we are one of less than 10 threads that are on topic in the catalog?
/his/ and Yea Forums fags are fucking up the board

because sff isnt pseud approved

Why is your SFF book not published when this is, Yea Forums?

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Hey y'all, I read as much SF&F as I can (mostly SF but some fantasy slips in) and my friend just gave me copies of The Vor Game, Borders of Infinity, and A Civil Campaign that she had laying around

So out of those three, which should I start my first entry into the Vorkosigan saga with?

Would rather not buy any other one because it's the 'ideal' starting place mostly because I liked reading things in fucked up order and putting it together as I go. I'll buy or find the other ones once I've read these three or at least one of them.

Weird but good though I have only read first 2

what the fuck is this

"Once & Future"

I’ve been chased my whole life. As a fugitive refugee in the territory controlled by the tyrannical Mercer corporation, I’ve always had to hide who I am. Until I found Excalibur.

Now I’m done hiding.

My name is Ari Helix. I have a magic sword, a cranky wizard, and a revolution to start.

When Ari crash-lands on Old Earth and pulls a magic sword from its ancient resting place, she is revealed to be the newest reincarnation of King Arthur. Then she meets Merlin, who has aged backward over the centuries into a teenager, and together they must break the curse that keeps Arthur coming back. Their quest? Defeat the cruel, oppressive government and bring peace and equality to all humankind.

No pressure.

3.6 on Goodreads hahahaha

>3.6 on tumblreads

Jesus fucking christ. Look how they massacred my Authurian boys.

Anyone cares to give me a quick rundown on Vance's Dying Earth? It would be much appreciated.

Does anyone know of any good fantasy short story collections? I prefer buying from used book stores but I can only find sci fi anthologies (and loads of them), but for fantasy it seems I have to buy full price so I'd like a good one. Preferably something where the fantasy part is emphasized and the stories really are creative. The closest I've got is a bunch of old "Fantasy and science fiction" magazine books, but they're short and again, mostly sci fi and editorials.

The Jack Vance Treasury

Is Will Panzo's book Burning Isle any good?

yeah ok

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Pretty good revenge fantasy

How good is this actually? I own the first 4 books, but dropped The Eye of the World on page 80. I need a push to keep going. It seems to be a hit or miss series (like many in fantasy), where people either say it's the best piece of epic fantasy literature ever written, and other say it's flaming overrated garbage ( I have unironically seem both). I'll read it anyway, just would appreciate some commentary to make me know it's not in vain.

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It's a short pulp anthology of mostly-separate character studies set in a world based on Clark Ashton Smith's Zothique, a worn-out Earth figuratively and literally haunted by relics of the history which is about to end when the Sun goes out -- which anyone can look up and see will be any day now.

The work was a principal influence on Dungeons and Dragons and by extension much of the modern conception of "fantasy". Its pulpy prose and structure aren't representative of Vance's mature style.

It's Generic Fantasy Product, in fact it's almost remarkable how little lasting influence any particular of WoT has had. I believe that GRRM started ASOIAF as a way to improve on WoT, and has succeeded so far as he's written.

This series is discussed ad nauseum Read the bloody archive.

It deteriorates and stagnates at around book five or so if I remember. Incredibly generic but if you like that then I guess it's a decent enough stab at generic fantasy. It has the strength that if you like it, there's certainly enough of it. 14 books at that length will keep you occupied a while and he gets a fair amount of world building done at that point.

Honestly though I'd say don't bother. Neither the story nor the braid pulling memes are worth it. It's kind of funny how much he seems to despise women though.

Don't shit on goodreads. It's a great tool to keep track of what you read and to get recs from people who have similar tastes.

>The Ea cycle by David Zindell

What is some tolerable xianxia-litRPG?

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> dropped The Eye of the World on page 80
ADHD much?

EotW is essentially one long prologue. The series doesn't really start until book 2.

What are the best pulp stories

Conan

Cradle
Glitch Hunter

Carefree path of dreams
Fishing the myriad heavens

no not directly in the case of the eagles because eagleposting didnt exist until the internet. but anyone who isnt

God
tom bombadil
or the valar (maybe)

is seduced by it. hobbits are seduced the least due to meekness, while maiar would be seduced the most due to their intrinsic power

on gandalf:

>Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been a contest between the Ring's true allegiance to Sauron versus Gandalf's actually possession of the Ring. But if Gandalf had been the victor it would have been far worse than Sauron winning. The "righteous" Gandalf would have become self-righteous, ruling and ordering things for "good" until he had made good detestable and seem evil.

You shouldn't check them out and here's my reasons why.
>Rothfuss
Imagine if someone from UC Berkeley created a fantasy series and that would be the Kingkiller Chronicles. I'm being serious. It reads as though you asked a typical liberal college student to write what they think would be a good fantasy story.
>Sanderson
He spends so much time on Worldbuilding and Magic, he forgets to write interesting characters. Who cares about the world if there's nobody to really be invested in. Same thing applies to magic. Also, a lot and I mean a lot of Sanderson's characters act like they came out of the newest MCU garbage.

Wimp of a scholar ends up as the chronicler of a small, hard mercanary band, whose leader has a weird, two-headed magical/cursed flail.
It can be a little edgy, but it's enjoyable. Despite being a doormat and useless in a fight, scholar-boy wasn't annoying, which is a common problem with that sort of MC.

I am thinking about trying to write a novel based on some ideas I have had for years that just won't go away. What would be the best way to practice writing? Fanfiction? I don't want to try and write a story that will just end up being bad because I can't write, not because the idea is bad, even though it might be.

I don`t want to try because maybe i will suck.

No successful author just pumped out a rough draft in a weekend and sent it to a publisher or agent. That`s not how this works man.

It takes time to get good at anything. If you don`t want to put the time in, then you won`t get good. simple.

But that is what I mean. Should I try and find my 'voice' by writing fanfiction, and practicing there, instead of jumping into trying to write my own story? I'm not afraid of writing a bunch, I have written over 75k words on my ideas over the past few months, but I am still not confident on my writing. I am just trying to find a good way to practice.

I need one more book to get free shipping.

Should I get fifth season or bloody rose?

Bloody Rose. Don't buy or read books written by nk jemisin.

Dont read jemisin. Not after what shes planning to do to lovecraft.

'This reincarnation of Arthur takes place centuries into the future when Old Earth has been left behind and humanity is spread over three galaxies, all controlled by the evil corporate giant, Mercer. In this future, gender and sexuality are just not a big deal. The characters are boys, girls, "fluids", gay, bi, pan and literally no one gives a shit. It's freaking awesome. What's less awesome is the reach of Mercer, who has placed a barricade on the entire Arab-settled planet of Ketchan-- Ari's home planet. Making Ari an illegal refugee.'
>making it obviously a minor soapbox about current, modern political issues and fringe-left talking points
That'll age like a mouldy loaf of bread as the world moves on.
Also, in my sci fi, I don't mind you getting interesting with gender or whatnot, but not everyone's gonna just accept that. There'd be some pushback from religious types and people who it weirds out, and as humanity fragments across the stars, different cultures would form with their own ideas on it. Most people wil just stick to sex, anyway. How come the people keen on that sort of thing don't thing through how the people'd react?
Take Murderbot. There's some gender stuff there, but it's rare, and not pushy like the cancerous excerpt showed off. I wouldn't have been bitching this long if not for that excerpt

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based and cinderellapilled

>Not after what shes planning to do to lovecraft.
Please Explain.

tell us about it

>What’s your next project? What are you working on now?

>I’ve already broken ground on my next series, which I’m planning to be a trilogy, but we’ll see. It will be based on a short story I did through tor.com called “The City Born Great”. It’s going to be set in New York, so I need to do a lot more research on New York. To boil it down, it’s about a group of people who embody the spirit of the city of New York. And they raise the city up into a kind of metaphysical entity that will help to fight against basically Cthulhu.

>So if you’re using Cthulhu, are you an H.P. Lovecraft fan?

>Oh, hell no. This is deliberately a chance for me to kind of mess with the Lovecraft legacy. He was a notorious racist and horrible human being. So this is a chance for me to have the “chattering” hordes—that’s what he called the horrifying brown people of New York that terrified him. This is a chance for me to basically have them kick the ass of his creation. So I’m looking forward to having some fun with that.

Thanks user.

YIKES!!!!

>racism
Why do people get so angry over his views? I know they weren't fluffy bunny thoughts or anything, but Jesus Christ, it didn't really come up in his work all that much.
Don't fuck with the work just because you don't like the author.

Has Jemisin written anything good (and/or non-political)? I hear her touted a lot by Goodreads folk as being a good writer, so she can't be awful, r-right?

I've read all your suggestions and ASOIAF is unironically better than everything you fags go on about and yet you all consider GRRM a hack

Popular=bad.

It's just really hard knowing who has actually read the series or not anymore. There are so many posers out there. It's going to be like this with The Wheel of Time show as well.

No. everything she writes is shlock and political. Everything. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

>he hasnt read book of the new sun, gormenghast or tigana

I am literally going to buy these books and read them all and come back to the next /sffg/ and tell you how shit or good they are

The gravity of S2 is good but my favourite by far is the Fitzgerald episode. As for the direction the plot is headed after S3/the manga up to that point, I can definitely imagine a quasi Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said scenario so it might be good or it might be mediocre depending on how well the plot is handled, but I do like the way it handles characterisation of people who aren't the MC.

I've read both and Fifth Season is by far the better book. Bloody Rose had almost no impact upon me whatsoever. You should pirate all of them.

I hate ebooks so no pirating for me. There was a time my uni had free printing but that was a long time ago.

It seens anons hate both books so someone recomend me something.

FANTASY
Epic fantasy: Tigana
Alt history fantasy: Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
Fantasy with black humour: Johannes Cabal the Necromancer
Hard scifi: Chasm City
Scifantasy: Lord of Light

SCIFI
Philosophical scifi: Terra Ignota
Scifi that with undercurrents of existential horror: The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Ubik. Hyperion Cantos (only the first two books). Solaris. Nightfall.
Scifi that is weird: Roadside Picnic. The Doomed City (what is mentioned earlier in the thread doesn't even begin to describe how strange, weird and wonderful it gets, I'm not sure what's up with the empty square and all those statues or what happens at the end or the Red Building but it's a fascinatingly weird book). Shades of Grey (the one by Jasper Fforde).

*chasm city should go in scifi obv

Read Bakker.

War of the Flowers, by Tad Williams
30-odd Theo is a good muscian stuck in a shit band that hates him. Then his gf miscarries and comes to realise that she doesn't love him anymore, and boots him out of the house. He's forced to move back in with his dying mother. She kicks the bucket, and he inherits her house, plus her cousin's home, where there's a fictionalised biography about said cousin's life, and his travel to a Victorian-like world of fairies.
Meanwhile, in said world of fairie, the powers that be send a dark, body-snatching entity into our world to capture him. Then, one day, after getting drunk off his ass, a 15cm tall mouthy fairie appears and tells him to come with her, right bout the time said monster has tracked him down.
So, yeah, Faerie is not in a great state. They've been forced to modernise, as Titania and Oberon are dead, and without them, no more infinite magic, which is their electricity, the stuff keeps the world running. Said magic is also created by the belief of humns, but faries ain't really believed in no more. In response, power plants literally drain the magic (and life) out of people who get unlucky with the lottery (or volunteer). But even this isn't working too well, as without the belief of humans, there's regular brownouts, and when those happen at the plants, with people plugged in...

Everyone on this general fucking hated Bakker when it came out

*the last one

Reading bakker is a right of passage. Youll either love it or hate it. Its good grimdark.

What's your policy on buying books? I buy them if I like them, or if I think the author deserves shekels.
Otherwise, piracy. Yes, I try before I buy, too.

I buy them when im depressed, so usually 2-3 a day.

I buy all my books.
Physical if they have a good looking cover, digital if they are less than 1/4th the price of the physical version.

Thanks pol-sama. You would be the expert on racist political.

It's generic and of average quality. People praise it because they get emotionally attached to it, it takes quite some investment to read 14 long ass books. The first 4 books are the best books.

>implying boogieman
Maybe is more your speed, if you cant handle your favorite author being called out as a political hack.

>being so sensitive
Why can't pollies take criticisms, but love to dish it out?

because they are pussies

Because they are more easily triggered than Tumblr

What criticism did you give? You just did the typical /pol/ boogie man shit every reddit refugee does.

Fuck off retard

youre doing the typical reddit boogy man

>calling people reddit refugees for not liking a shitheap of a board that almost singlehandedly ruined the site
Fuck off 2014fag

No idiot. I’m calling people redditfags for being Fanny flustered over seeing jemesin getting criticized. Good thing you can read, shithead.

>fifty-odd pages into the Barrow
Fucking hell, I don't give a shit about any of these new people; hurry up and get the fuck out of the city already.
Why are you showing me Mr. Got-My-Dick-Sucked and Miss My-Brother-Hate-Cums-on-Me?
Well, I can at least partially accept the former for informing us that Stjepan is blacklisted and won't be able to get a bunch of stooges to go with him, and I suppose that the latter is to show that the bruddah in question is multifaceted, but fuck me, did they need to go on sex-tangents?
It's unnecessary and is annoying me more than it really should. I'm gonna keep going, because I heard the start is pretty shaky and it gets much better.
Basically autistically screeching because incel no have sex, so sex man bad. I'm just bored by what I see as unnecessary shit padding the book.

Is it wrong to enjoy the xanth novels? I'm thinking of rereading them some time soon. I have a lot of good memories of reading them in school many years ago but I am worried that the puns and silly story lines won't hold up so well. Maybe I should just let my naustalgia be.

What's the lowest fantasy there is? Like almost real but with mere hints and touches. Mere curiosity.

Alt-history stuff?

Alt history still can be realistic, right? I mean it could present some alternate version of events, or make up some country and fill it with its own rules and rulers, but still operate under the principles of our own reality. I'm asking about works that are obviously fantasy works, but fantasy is real faint and subtle.

It's always wrong to enjoy things.

What am I in for? Is it actually any good, or I've been memed again?

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difficult to say. the majority of readers either love it or hate it depending on many factors.
give it a try id say.

You're in for the custom pic everyone used for their mage in baldur's gate

the fuck you on about?

>bg
>mage
Pleb

Is Name of the Wind the LotR of our time?

I hope not.

Give it up you stupid cunt, you've been trying to bait people for 2 threads now and failing miserably.

Sup nerds, recommend me some bleak sci fi in the same vein as the three body problem trilogy. No Peter Watts, please.

That wasn't me I swear. I just saw a thread about it on Yea Forums but it's dead so I came here to shitpost.

Have you tried blindsight?

>I just saw a thread about it on Yea Forums but it's dead so I came here to shitpost
Just go back.

Fuck you.

what do you hate about modern works?

David Zindell is best known for his sci-fi novel Neverness. His fantasy books are a really classic feeling and sort of lyrical. Im not gonna overhype the books of which there are four, the first of them being the best in my opinion. To me it was a fair attempt at classic style of fantasy which to me has a lot of heart and the prose isn't half bad. It has a lot of spiritual overtones without becoming tiresome.
seriously underrated in my opinion, maybe it was the horrible US-covers. They look like screens from the 80's Hercules TV-show.
pic related, based EU-cover

>Thought you'd never ask

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Anyone read Doris Lessings: Canopus in Argos series? How is it?

>Prince of Nothing
Based

You should probably ask this thread:

>Have lots of boring menial tasks at new job
>Figure I would listen to stormlight since I haven't read it
>Download audiobooks from a few different readers to see which I like best
>Listen to graphicaudio copy
>Full cast
>Sound effects
>Kino music
>Mind fucking blown
>Go on their site to see what else they produce
>mfw it's literally all westernshit and capeshit

wtf senpai

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>listen to the capeshit of fantasy
>yfw they specialize in capeshit

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Even the most lame and formulaic fantasy book is inherently a thousand times superior to capeshit.

NEW AND IMPROVED

>self published
I want to support the nobodies but im worried about wasting my time reading shit

>Would you prefer that fantasy books have maps or are you indifferent to them?
I always get worried im about to read something bad when it has a map. I know its not always true but I feel like it shouldn't be necessary
The author should be able to create a world thats distinct and easy to navigate in my head

Never stray from the mainstream

Didn't you hear the shill say it's GRI APPROVED?

The children of earth and sky. Fuck that book.

What's GRI?

Looking forward to the "There Are Doors" discussion. I have a Wolfe influenced novel which came out last week, I was heartbroken over his death. Can't wait to hear everybody's thoughts about TAD. That was the book I gravitated right to after his death, too.

I was told to share this book in /sffg/ when it was published, hope some of you out there are into it. So far response has been great and a lot of readers are buying physical copies, which is even more exciting! You can get a hardback for 15% off when you use the promo code TEAMBASIL at checkout while buying from the Painted Bind Publishing store: paintedblindpublishing.com/painted-blind-bookstore/

"The Hierophant's Daughter is a gripping read from start to finish. I highly recommend it."

-Tessa Dick, author of Philip K. Dick: Remembering Firebright & Conversations With Philip K. Dick

By 4042 CE, the Hierophant and his Church have risen to political dominance with his cannibalistic army of genetically modified humans: martyrs. In an era when mankind's intergenerational cold wars against their long-lived predators seem close to running hot, the Holy Family is poised on the verge of complete planetary control. It will take a miracle to save humanity from extinction.

It will also take a miracle to resurrect the wife of 331-year-old General Dominia di Mephitoli, who defects during martyr year 1997 AL in search of Lazarus, the one man rumored to bring life to the dead. With the Hierophant's Project Black Sun looming over her head, she has little choice but to believe this Lazarus is really all her new friends say he is--assuming he exists at all--and that these companions of hers are really able to help her. From the foulmouthed Japanese prostitute with a few secrets of her own to the outright sapient dog who seems to judge every move, they don't inspire a lot of confidence, but the General has to take the help she can get.

After all, Dominia is no ordinary martyr. She is THE HIEROPHANT'S DAUGHTER, and her Father won't let her switch sides without a fight. Not when she still has so much to learn.

You can also get the book on Amazon (amazon.com/gp/product/0996539565) and an exciting number of local bookstores across the US and Canada which have ordered a copy to carry. Its opening reviews on Goodreads are strong (goodreads.com/book/show/42921564-the-hierophant-s-daughter) but Goodreads is full of troglodytes so who really cares about Goodreads. Anyway, I hope Yea Forums likes the book, and I at least hope that the original /sffg/ poster who told me to repost this when it was finished is here to read this post and grab a copy.

Take care guys, looking forward to the TAD discussion.

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That passage reads like it was written by a 6th grade kid. EWWW!