How do you guys deal with the absolute futility of it all?

somehow i don't believe you

this worked well for me. great suggestion user

>Do this thing
>I've done it, it doesn't work for me
>I don't believe you
Thanks for your help, I'll leave you a 5 star review on MySpace

by having sex

It’s not futile. It’s only futile to those that accept it as such. Don’t do that.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xigAXL5e5Kw

>Le pretend there is a god man

because that's what everyone fucking says. i've been in your position countless times and definitely would've lied on the internet. it sounds like you're actually a self-obsessed individual (given that you came into this thread to talk about yourself and nothing else) and i really have no reason to believe that you ever have really done much to give to other people, doubly so given the glib dismissal

>because that's what everyone fucking says
Beause it's mostly true.

People don't start off apathetic, they try and help others and find out they're ungrateful, don't want your help or that they feel nothing for doing it so they stop doing it. Forcing myself to volunteer will not spark a charitable nature in me, it's something you either have or you don't.

>definitely would've lied on the internet.
Left winger detected

Proof that it's futile?

*snap*

Hey, sorry to intrude. I think the other user's approach is supposed to cover two different angles here. #1 is that, if you're miserable and slowly killing yourself with unpleasant rumination, helping others might confer a sense of fulfillment that helps you to forget your own troubles. If that doesn't work, angle #2 (the one that's come to define my life) is that, even though you will always be a nihilistic depressive unable to find happiness, turning yourself into a drone whose only purpose is to help others + do the maximum amount of possible good will at least help other (non-hopeless) people to have better lives and get a little bit closer to happiness/fulfillment. It sounds macabre - like something Ellsworth Toohey would tell you to do - but I've found it to be a small comfort amidst the rollicking shitscape that is my life. That's how I see it.

unironically thanks to [spolier]love[/spoiler]

Stop being a nihilist and go out and do something worth doing. If not for yourself, for others at the very least. Sitting and doing nothing and being nothing and asking why nothing means anything is a loophole for lazy nihilist faggots to act edgy. Stop it

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>even though you will always be a nihilistic depressive unable to find happiness, turning yourself into a drone whose only purpose is to help others + do the maximum amount of possible good will at least help other (non-hopeless) people to have better lives and get a little bit closer to happiness/fulfillment.
I wouldn't spit on a man if I saw him on fire in front of me.

I know that sounds edgy but you don't seem to grasp the sheer lack of any affection, affiliation or basic human connection I feel for anyone else. Yes, I am obsessed with myself. Why wouldn't I be? Pretending not to be and that you care for others is in my mind nothing but delusion.

It doesn't make you a nihilist to recognize the inherent truth of nihilism.

There's no truth in it because truth doesn't exist

>nihilism
>truth
That's where you fucked up. Only aimless and weak-willed people think nihilism is the truth. You don't have a purpose, or haven't yet found one, so you damn the world and scapegoat meaning by saying there is none. Bravo, user. I'm sure everyone in high school will think you're the coolest kid now

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Being alive is a disgrace, any attempt to justify it is just coping.

Please demonstrate that there is a purpose to life.

I say there is. Prove I didn't say it

have(ing) sex

No, only aimless and weak willed people are nihilists. Recognizing the pointlessness of aware life is high IQ.

QED wow I am so rekt with facts and logics right now.

You can sit there and suffer or you can go out and fight the suffering which is inherent in all our lives. Don't place on your chips on 'happiness' because it is fleeting. It is a cherry on top for those who have purpose, not the end goal.
>everything is shit and I am cool and smart because I jump on this internet bandwagon belief
Go outside basementnigger

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I respect your honesty, user. You have every right to be the way that you are. I am in no position to judge you or the suffering you've endured. All pain is unique and terrible.

When I was addicted to drugs, I also had very little empathy for anyone else (except when I was nice and fucked up, in which case loving everyone seemed like the easiest thing in the world). I started detoxing after my parents threw me out of the house, and was eventually able to kick my habit, but the damage this drug abuse did to my reward circuitry was long-term: unremitting anhedonia, nausea, self-hatred, inability to find pleasure in anything.

What eventually brought me to my current (still flawed, but better I think) mindset was an /intellectual/ understanding that I could alleviate some excess suffering. Of course, I still felt zero empathy for anyone else - they were and still are a bunch of retarded sheeple who ostracized me for being different - but was able to arrive at a something like compassion purely through reason. Eventually, this became a weak form of empathy, which was enough to keep me coming back for more. It's never progressed beyond that level, but I wouldn't ever have expected to be the person that I am today while I was down and out.

Don't let anyone make decisions for you, user. You're the expert on your own life, and you should do whatever you think is best. I'm only sharing my perspective because I feel as though I should 'pay forward' this jury-rigged "salvation" I've found.

Life is about avoiding death, we are going to die no matter what, ergo nothing matters. That being said "nihilists" are boring people.

Life is about passing on to the next generation so they can live and pass on as well. We don't live forever. Not to say that is the 'meaning' but it's the goal. Since we die doesn't mean that nothing matters. That is just a weak coping mechanism for you and other fags who agree with it.
If life was infinite you would find yourself with no drive. i.e. no purpose, because there would be no reason to do so as you'll live forever

Death is an idea: purpose is an idea: death is a purpose

I agree with your statement but I think that it's just the moral reaction to the inevitability of death and not the point of life.

I see what you are saying. To submit to the idea that something is meaningless because it ends is not the answer, to me at least. A song ends but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. The song can affect millions, even inspire. Life is the same way. It ends but sows the seeds of purpose and joy to those who haven't even been conceived yet. I'm not saying I'm right but this is the conclusion I've come to. I had heavy nihilistic views for the longest time but I think it's a phase we all go through. Some don't make it out

oh user you just have to be a man enough in wisdom and knowledge to know what existence and reality is actually all about.

One way I want to put it is that all through out time and history development of the human race has been drudge worthy work, it's utterly slow, even for the amount of effort and work you put into it.

And its true, at the same time it can all collapse into shit because that's just the nature of humanity, or I should rather say existence and consciousness at this level of reality, but you really have to be endowed in the metaphysical nature of being and existence I suppose -

Part and parcel of the game lad, you would always face challenges, let me tell you. I know that no matter what, even if I was a penniless bum, or billionaire, I would always face challenges of some sort, God or Existence doesn't let anyone out of it so easily you know.

And you know you may think its futile, but in time, wisdom, and knowledge, you will realize that the only thing you can do is try your best, carry the torch, and make it brighter for the future.

Maybe at sometime in the future we can "free the human race" relative to what we can define as our bonds and struggle.

I think the best you can hope for is to contribute your little bit to that effort, like many great people of the past and present. You must be satisfied with that, and always know, that you were able, you were able to make your mark where it actually counted, and what we'll always value the most

>bruh just like make your own meaning
don’t you fags see how disappointing it is that I could find meaning in a fucking pencil if I tried hard enough? It’s pure cope. I can still have something resembling a life without having to say ‘this gives me meaning’.

Nobody gives a shit what you find meaningful, don't hate on the rest of us for picking something that matters to them.

Sitting zazen, workout, read, write, have weird sexual encounters, weed, wine, mushrooms, surf, and spend a lot of time in SE Asia- just living

Name one of your ancestors from 300 years ago, and an impact they had on you.

I find meaning in my self-hatred.

then off yourself to find out what's next

>he thinks I have ancestors

Butterfly, I’ve never seen you post anything that wasn’t completely saturated by (or incoherent outside of) monotheistic categories of thought. All your criticisms and proposals are tailor-made to supply alternate origins and solutions to the needs once satisfied in the West by the major monotheistic traditions. It’s hilarious how blind you are too it.

Nothing matters, that means you can do whatever you want and have it make zero impact.

You should take care of yourself though.

By finding a deep chasm and diving down into it. If you never go down, you can never make it out. But if you do dive down, you at least have a chance to make it out. And even if you don't make it out, it'll at least be more interesting than teetering at the edge.

t. Demon

I don't see life having a point. Actually, I find this liberating; life is just this amusing theater, nothing really matters.

Why so serious? Clown world is real.

>Picture of Christ
>Suffering your whole life to spend an eternity in the afterlife

How anyone can be comfortable with the idea of eternity is beyond me. Death is the only comforting thing about living.

>epic reaction images
>needless cursing
>Nietzschéen life affirming
>muh weak will
Guess how I know that you’re a /pol/tard

have kids
life is an end in itself

>It’s not futile. It’s only futile to those that accept it as such. Don’t do that.
Correct, here we can refer to a general critique of psychologism.
>Le pretend there is a god man
The question of God's existence is entirely irrelevant to our philosophical method. Rather, I would find it insulting, dare I say heretical, for a higher being to be devalued.

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Don't think about it.

Generally I masturbate

get a dog

it's not futile (at least you have no way of knowing it is) you're just upset because your conciousness exceeds the limits of your body; you can grasp at ominpotence but never ever attain it
accept your lot as a living/dying thing and perform well

Yet here you are, living. Really makes you think.

how exactly is anything futile if it has meaning during your the moments you are alive and likely afterwards (through memories, influence, etc)?

if all we have is our experience in this life, then that is where our meaning is derived and based.

Simple, I revel in it. "If god doesn't exist everything is permitted." The world is a brilliant open canvas to despoil or nourish. Futility is the greatest blessing of all. All that is truly worthwhile is capricious, spontaneous, without order or planned coherence. If life had a simple and obvious meaning that would be the most tragic thing of all. It would rip away the highest freedom, which is to live your own truth.

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If that's how you want to go about life then so be it. I'm not so pretentious as to believe I have it figured out and neither should you. Nihilism, I believe, is for the weak-minded and weak-willed. They have no answer, seek no purpose and so they damn everything, including themselves.
>>epic reaction images
images on an image board. wowee what an argument
>>needless cursing
for you, maybe but nonetheless that is irrelevant
>>Nietzschéen life affirming
>>muh weak will
>Guess how I know that you’re a /pol/tard
No argument, no point. why are you here

Don't worry friend, it's all gonna be k

The nigga is clearly a psychopath with no empathy

Nietzsche is the only one who has given me a satisfactory answer, everyone else is delusional or intentionally lying.

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cope

memes and shitposting

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>it's heretical for a higher being to be devalued
very insightful user

>Nietzsche is the only one who has given me a satisfactory answer.
>Nietzsche was not delusional or lying

Schopenhauer is the only honest philosopher.

Yeah, waiting to die. Really makes you think.

based and beatific vision pilled

nothing is futile. you are a unique being, and loved, and you exist to a purpose.

this is good advice. if you don't have faith yet, and are mostly without hope, at least you can practice charity until you develop those other virtues.

>major monotheistic tradition
>in the West
Judaism?
>All your criticisms and proposals are tailor-made to supply alternate origins and solutions to the needs once satisfied in the West by
Yes. What part strikes you as humorous and why?

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I embrace hope. I embrace my demons.

1. Get educated on the nature of consciousness and reality. 2. Set yourself free.

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I just accept that I'm too cowardly to kill myself, so I try to lead a life that keeps me happy and occupied while I wait for a natural death.

seems based and neetpilled

by reading, drinking and masturbating.

Worked for me (working for others, not so much political work).

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I believe either reincarnation is a must, for why else could one be born even once, and survive the passing of time, still aware and here - or we are merely a fractured whole that we return to upon death.

But my reasoning for the above is as follows:

1: Man was born once and is currently here, at least in whoever is actually reading and actually thinking over this, that being at least myself.

2: Man is not like a rock or state of time in which their states are constantly changing, to the former - for a rock is always having itself changed by time around it, even in the smallest increments of time, and so is the later that it never changes and can never be held outside that 1/∞ of a second it lies in. Why is man unlike both? Because when man's physical form changes, as the rock does, his consciousness remains intact, even if only for seconds at a time, as proven by my existence and presumably yours, which makes him fundamentally different to the ever changing rock. Even if, for example, when we sleep we never wake up, instead another consciousness does, that is still more than the rock which is never constant at any point except 1/∞ of a second. In the case of time, the same: it is restrained to a single moment unlike our consciousness.

3: On account of two, it is the case that our existence is one independent of any single moment, despite the fact we are only alive in the present, we were also alive in the past.

If all above is true, it logically follows that man is an idea or form which can be born and, possibly, is such a thing that he will inhabit, due to being himself, anything that is exactly him.
Now the obvious problem is the classic sci-fi trope of clones. But I don't believe it a problem.
If one split their own brain apart, or did the classic ship part - slowly replacing themselves, could the resulting two consciousnesses not be one's self while also lacking ability to communicate with each self?

Because of the above I also believe man's brain and body, and by extension possibly everything, is like a receiver to a signal; we cannot see all the other receivers, and we have our own unique special outputs, but at the heart of it the receivers are not the outputs; the signal is. Perhaps we are everything and yet only ourselves at the same time, and upon death are no longer restrained to the receiver trapping the specific signal we are to these outputs.

You could even combine both of these and claim that you are not the signal, but a specific part of the signal's output, specific "radio waves" if you will, and therefore will be born again by probability, if the big crunch is the reality of our universe.
But I think such a thing falls to the problem of a rock, that being consciousness is not some perfect state but something inexplicably flexible.

great post

I should mention I am Taoist, at least partially.

I don't.

Cringe

Logically Futile. But that means a blank canvas. Make what what you want of it. It is a beautiful thing.

Hope you find stillness in your soul.

myt body is silenly shaking in cold sweats
my mind cant stop om a thoughtt cause of the amount of disbelieve
im on a dead forum to type how i feel so that i dont fall into a coma

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Man... I work at a golf course. It’s unbelievable how everyone takes it so seriously. The pros freak out at me when there are problems but I can’t get myself to care. I can’t shake the feeling that nothing that happens there matters at all

You’re good

We must imagine Sisyphus happy

these overly assumptive wannabe-stoics's arguments rely on ad hominem to get their basic platitudes across. it's frustrating, and this is coming from someone who volunteers at his church (and has a pending application to volunteer at a TV station), has a job and goes to school with a friend group.

that being said, I'm still miserable and not a day goes by where I don't contemplate suicide. whatever, you shouldn't care. just come up with better rationale, or at least one where you don't have to make baseless assumptions in order to have said rationale substantiated in any way.

Go to a therapist or psychiatrist. Philosophy is not a substitute for treatment.

I have seen a therapist since freshman year of high school. thanks for minding me though

By not making an assumption that it is futile. Otherwise, we fall prey to faith. I know very little, but at least I know enough about what I don't know to avoid needless nihilism in the face of my ignorance.

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wait... yall are really unhappy?

oof, been there. nobody in the world is as testy as golf pros

sending positive vibes

By accepting it all as it is instead of expecting it to conform to a conceived ideal reality.

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screaming into the void in whatever form immediately pleases me

To live is to struggle and im just passing time untill my ticket gets punched
Maybe the meaning of life is the fruitless search of that meaning

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You dont

I imagine him breaking out of his prison

right now, in pitiful irony, i hope i am job even though i live in a comfortable western life. Also, the hope of being a decent club tennis player.

The most admirable people didn't mope around all day complaining about the "absolute futility" of it all. I strive to become admirable.

The tireless and unobtainable pursuit of trying to perfect my craft

masturbation is no craft faggot

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how can normies can construct bridges for everyone else then?

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basé

nietzsche was/is terribly damaging.

Kek

If he was right then criminals and good people don't exist

I don't get why people follow Nietzsche

Like, by accepting his premise that you have to create your own meaning, that implies you also accept that life is inherently meaningless. Therefore, whatever "meaning" you seek to create, is really just hedonism in disguise. The fact that you may suffer in the process, just means you're deriving a sadomasochistic pleasure from the pursuit of meaning.

The other issue with making your own meaning, is that all paths are equally valid. It's just as meaningful to jerk off all day as it is to write a book, because as was established, it is up to the individual to be the subjective arbiter of what constitutes a meaningful activity, or not.

I'd rather be a hedonist, desu, at least it's not hypocritical and logically consistent.

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>These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

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I found that unsettling.
“We MUST imagine Sisyphus happy” because, it seemed to suggest, if we imagine him anything that isn’t happy we’d be left with contemplating our hopeless condition.
I watch cheesy late XX century american horror movies with popcorn

The problem is you're trying to do things for others for yourself. You did it only hoping to get some feeling of satisfaction out of it, i.e. it was a selfish act. You need to help others for no other reason than it is right and natural to do.

hm

>You need to help others for no other reason than it is right and natural to do.
Pfffffttt, fuck off queer.

Why the fuck would I do that? It's not natural at all to waste your resources on someone else.

I convince myself that I just don't know enough yet, that when I hbave read enough books I'll understand the world and my part in it.
This and 0bserving nature is the only thing that makes me feel less desperate about the world and where we're headed
Someone please respond, I'm specially desperate today

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fpbp

ugh.

this is the liberal-humanist-progressive equivalent of: read Pascal or just try praying.

cheating brain chemistry via following socially accepted reward pathways is not a solution to futility.

there is no solution to that.

youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA

A human with a purpose is a organism thats made themselves into a tool.

being shilled out of money hand over fist to be hooked on drugs and false hope is no substitute for philosophy.

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It would be if it were worrg taking seriously. Remember no one chose this fate.

What have you been reading?

Your beliefs are a shibboleth for bourgeois liberal capitalism.

Personally I'd rather kms that propegate the delusion that my life is worth living because progressivism.

Is there an argument against medication being literally soma?

its a measure of how shit absurdism is that camus didn't undertake the meta criticism of his position that makes it pretty clear imo that he was just formalizing denial.

How everyone deals with it. Denial.

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Nietzsche, some lefty books about the disfunction of modern capitalism, Jung, The Mahabharata... I have varied interests

>Cringe
So, in a non-cringey way, what do you believe in or think is the actual matter of fact?

Why do you "need a place" in the world. Why so serious? The world is just people bumping into each other anyway.

I can't believe this kind of thread aren't instantly canned by mods.

By growing up.

>>>tumblr

I've understood universal pointlessness of existence a long time ago and overcame my fear of death by strongly longing for it. Now I just enjoy living and observing until I die. Comfy as hell.

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You all are so adamant about what you know that you either assure yourselves of meaning or lack thereof. You live your lives in assurance of these beliefs, not really knowing or understanding their gravity. Not really knowing if they are true. You live a lie that cannot be justified. Live as a skeptic or die with either unjustified meaning or in ignorance of what could be.

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Sooner or later you have to believe in something, even if that's believing in nothing.

You can't go through life as an open minded skeptic about even your own deeply held beliefs, that's as retarded and pointless as being an NPC.

One the most iconic, mustache-twirling villains of all time: THE SOCIAL WORKER!

The ironing

Anyone got some novels on accounts of (fatalistic/nihilistic) depression?

Asking for a friend

by trying to live with as much virtue as possible

That's a key part of literally every Murakami novel, so maybe try him

Franklinpilled

Yet you wait. Why?
You clearly don’t believe what you wrote (it’s obviously wrong) or else you would off yourself (don’t).

underrated post

I face the fact that "nothing gets easier".
No matter what, if you stop, nothing will change and that even though its more comfy to lie down and embrace depression than it is to fight it by moving forward, it'd be worse to.
I think about whether or not I want to be a loser and I say no, so in order to not be one I have to keep working/studying no matter what, and ultimately I can say that my life feels much better now that I'm moving then when I was just lying still waiting to die.

Have children

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Batch reply posting more than 10 people should be an auto-ban

Have children

Don't worry, be happy.

You approached it from a selfish point of view

>Yes, I am obsessed with myself
This is the root of all your problems

Not really. Every choice you make in life tends toward whatever arbitrary “meaning” you’ve created, whether consciously or not.

This. So fucking obnoxious.

I have done this numerous times, not on a whim but genuinely spending large portions of my own time on making gifts for people.
I haven't counted the times, that would be selfish but it has been frequent in the least.
It usually goes like this.

>I give handcrafted gift to person
>They react in amazement (genuine or forced) by saying it's really cool (most people, myself included are generally bad at accepting or receiving compliments.)
>They thank me and move on, whilst sometimes wondering why I would do such a thing with my time
>Eventually there comes a point where they think I have nothing better for them to do and perhaps they even consider that I made them a gift so that I might get a guilt coerced favour from them later.
>The allure of the gift falls away over time and the friendship goes no further with them feeling guilty until they do something back
>Sometimes they will see the gift and contact you to catch up and then remember that you don't have much in common
>rinse and repeat

Strangers will not appreciate your gifts or be your friends. Charity only makes people who already like you, like you more. Even then it has it's limits.
Unless you personally know the African child you're giving your support to, they won't care or consider it charity. Stop pretending throwing money out your window is virtuous, it's not, it's a waste of time (and looks stupid). Just applying the golden rule does far more.

I did this for some years, then I read ecclesiastes and found the answer
(I'm not a believer btw)

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Based!

Also if you like Jung read symbols of transformation

Things that are nice:
>Friends, family, dogs, fine art(especially painting), rainy days with lots of sunshine, rainy overcast days, that special girl, computers, mathematics, music, machine learning, vodka, films, parties, heavy machinery, industries, the night sky, documentaries, philosophy, professors(the really good ones), literature, photos, aeroplanes, scotch whisky, game theory and mechanism design, long walks, economics, cars, extended hugs, and all else that when you stop and think for a while lessens the cynic in you.
Life if too short to spend all it's moments in hatred. Some needs to spent in acknowledging the beauty.

Kys trip fag

Based

Based

Contemplating the Dao while watching my tomatoes grow after getting home from work.

I don't care

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LDAR

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I have not really figured this out yet. I guess by feeling like I will make a substantial difference in at least one person's life before I bow out.

>thinking about economics lessens the cynic in you

I could not kill myself because I have known people who died not by suicide. People who wanted to live, but had no choice in the matter. I must live for them.

fucking faggot normie over here

I fuck my wife, enjoy a dram, walk my dog and enjoy the relaxing birdsong.

based

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I concur