Real talk. Is the series worth reading?

Real talk. Is the series worth reading?

These days there's all the buzz about the TV adaptation ending badly, but I didn't watch it. Made me interested in the books which are supposedly better though.

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It's what it is. If you want beautiful prose and literary merit, you aren't getting it. It's still solid fantasy genre with good characters and an interesting story though.

This. Enough said.
Start it and see how you like it.

I'm do fucking tired of seeing these books. There's never even any discussion, it's always these dumb cunts asking if they should read it. Go read it and find out whether you like it. Nobody else can tell you if you're going to like it.

Better yet, find something else to read that isn't so basic bitch.

>Better yet, find something else to read that isn't so basic bitch.
I already read and liked The Name of the Wind though.

No. The first several novels are good, but the last two balloon the plot out to the point of being unreadable. It's like how the later Wheel of Time books start to slow down until you're reading entire books of literally nothing happening. Also ASOIAF is not finished and likely never will be.

OP, I do suggest reading it. The books start rambling a little around book 4 or 5, but GRRM also introduces 6 or 7 new plotlines that aren't in the show around mid-series, so it's worth reading for that.

Some woman of color will be hired to finish the series after GRRM croaks.

Also let me preempt the usual sort of response to this by saying that the only people who enjoy the last two novels are people who read fantasy for "worldbuilding." That is, autistic people who primarily read to learn inane details of a fictional world and put things like character and story as a distant secondary concerns. If that's the sort of the thing you want to read OP, you'll probably like it.

First three books are great, next two aren't that great but introduce a bunch of other plots that MIGHT be justified if the final two books are released.

Personally I don't think there's any point in starting them until the books are finished, it'd be like reading Lord of the Rings if Return of the King didn't exist.

Up until Storm of Swords it's really good in my opinion; after that I've just kept reading because I want to know how it ends. Now after being kinda disappointed with the show I really wanna read Winds of Winter though, in the hope of a better alternate ending.

If it ever gets released it's not going to be the final book, you know? It's going to move the plot forward very slightly, and then end on some new cliffhangers that you won't get an answer to for 20 more years, if ever.

This is a fair and correct view. There are massive chunks of the later books where Daenerys is chilling in Essos and its pretty boring

do you like western fantasy? then sure

Does she at least have yuri sex?

Yes. Her maid catches her masturbating and decides to join in at some point in book 3.

Wait, really? I was asking in jest.

I might be in the minority here, but i like AFFC too. The Jaime and Brienne chapters were fantastic, Cersei's were pretty good as well and getting a peek at Dorne, Oldtown and the maesters was fun.

Pretty much like the show then. Grrm is a hack who fucked up the plotting so the zombies and dragons have to circle for a bit because it's too early for them

The show did absolutely jack shit with Oldtown besides having Sam work as a library assistant for a few months and then dip out on his contract

It's a much more lively setting in the books for sure. I wanna see what happens with their forbidden dragon magic research and Alleras the Sphinx (who is probably secretly a girl or something?)

>Show didn't make Euron into an evil sorcerer motherfucker
>Show didn't have a hardass Victarion telling one of his crew members to knife anyone who tries to sodomize him
>Show doesn't have the guy taking out his willy before a battle against Dany like in the books
>Show version of Lysa is skinny instead of a fat whale like in the books
>Oldtown wasn't a lively college town full of drunken debauchery and probably low key hooker visits in the show like in the books

This is why the books are better

The show fucked a lot of characters but the ending is one of the more positive things about it. People are just mad Daenerys wound up becoming batshit.

>Woah dude it's like such a cool setting!! And like, look at these unimportant details about things and this shit that doesn't matter regarding the overall story! It's so cool!
Proof of this

>fantasy world
>thinks the details of fantasy world don’t matter
Listen buddy, that’s one reason why the show started to suck, because they forgot about the actual world they were in.
In fantasy or scifi the world is just as much a plot driver as the characters. Therefore, all details about the world are important.

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>that’s one reason why the show started to suck, because they forgot about the actual world they were in
this
>men asking teenagers if they're old enough to drink
>men being shocked when high born women are virgins
Dabid a shit

I tried but simply do not like his writing. The only thing he ever wrote that I even half liked was his attempt to write like Jack Vance, the Haviland Tuf stories, but even they are not nearly as good as Vance. But YOU might like it. Just try and see, go to the library, pick up one of his books and if you can keep reading after 17 pages you might be the type that likes his stuff.

I'm not sure they have English fantasy books in libraries here in Japan. But I'll check.

I could read the Japanese versions, but I believe in reading the original language, when one can.

Tbh most likely I'll succumb to getting an EPUB.

No, no they aren't. It's something that's necessary but it's not something that should be at the forefront. When it becomes the primary object of a work, the work fails.

Haha, turns out my university library has English versions of the books. I guess I'll stop by tomorrow to read a chapter or two.

I'm genuinely surprised they have it.

Distinguishing between the presentation of fictional detail and the presentation of character and plot is what makes those interested in worldbuilding plebs. If you read Brienne's journey through the Whispers as a powerpoint about a cove or the description of the Shieldhall as an enumeration of house sigils, you have no aesthetic sense.

Well if the world details are necessary, how are they not important?
I agree with you that the world shouldn’t be at the forefront. However, the characters can only act within the confines of the world. ASOIAF couldn’t be told in a different world. Because of this I think it’s logical to say that world itself is a plot driver.

Good genrefic is still genrefic

The world should be used a tool for conveying the story. It's a necessary tool for this sort of story, so the story can fail based on this aspect (like you pointed out with the TV adaptation). But if the world itself supplants the story as the primary focus of the work, then you're just reading a D&D manual. Apparently that is what some people want, though.

maybe try reading it instead of asking if you should you blithering imbecile

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I found it boring and directionless. It has neat stuff but not really worth the hours of reading or the wait between publications

>Brienne chapters
>fantastic
t. loves eating shit

Brienne chapters were good because they were the only ones to show how the plebs have been devastated by the wars