STUPID QUESTIONS EDITION >"H-hey guys I just finished watching Game of Thrones and hated it, does George Martins do a better job with the books? >"Is Wheel of Time worth reading?" >"I'm new to fantasy and I loved A Song of Ice and Fire guys can you recommend similar books, should I try First Law by Joey Abercrumbs? >"Is Sanderson actually a good writer?" >"My almost-gf recommended Name of the Wind, should I read it?"
Monthly Reading for May: There Are Doors by Gene Wolfe
If it's any consolation, you had about as much success with your post as Erikson had with writing good books.
Ryder Ramirez
So I remember in one of these threads there was an OP pic that stirred my imagination so I saved it, but my phone died and I lost the pic.
It was some girl in short shorts standing at the edge of the field and there was like a massive monolith structure in the distance, looks like it had a plateau on top of it. Anyone know what that was?
Caleb Lee
i know ada palmer irl and she is one of the most unpleasant people you could ever meet
Oh gods I'm not searching through all the threads. This had to have been about a year, maybe two years ago.
Anyway it the girl was in modern-looking clothes, and the monolith was tall and thin, looked naturally-formed. Perhaps I will bump across it again one day.
Sebastian Hall
Hi, I'm a massive Palmer shill. Her books are incredibly stylised and from the reception here and elsewhere I think the stylistic choices can turn a few readers away. It's written in a rather absurd 17th-century Enlightenment-esc prose, so before buying any of them I recommend maybe trying a free kindle sample or getting a download and skimming the first chapter. It's second-person, and if you don't enjoy the protagonist taking time to chat to you leisurely in the middle of crucial plot points, then it might be a turn-off.
That said... I think they're phenomenal. Some of the best far near-future (2400s) sci-fi I've ever read, and it's so refreshingly Utopian and positive. The world is colourful and warm, and despite the writing peculiarity I just mentioned, Palmer has an absolute gift for painting characters and locations. I don't like throwing this word around, but the worldbuilding is excellent. It almost made me feel like a kid, I wanted it to be real and I wanted to live there. It's simultaneously a history lesson, and while it's author-wank for every author in the enlightenment, the charm and wit of the dialogue between characters as well as the second person passages directed at you the reader redeem it all in my eyes.
I know some people here get pissed off about gender themes, and yes there's some liberties taken here - but I promise it's not just hamfisted in (like Anne Leckies work) and actually serves a plot purpose. Even if you're super opposed to gender sci-fi I think if you want to have your expectations challenged, this is the series for you.
I've read the two first Terra Ignota books and among everything I have read they are without a doubt the best books written the last 30 years.
Based, write a juicy pasta about her.
Carter Barnes
>So my stupid question is What should I read now between Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Malazan and Book of the new sun? BotNS, then forget that the others even exist and read something else.
mary sues? especially shadowthrone, you JUST KNOW he was Eriksons PC
Angel Perez
Malazan if you aren't dumb, stormlight is pretty decent, like the MCU of fantasy
Jaxson Martin
>Tolkien and Asimov? Yeah, they're both good starters. I personally don't think Asimov have aged that well however, but others like him.
Nathaniel Martinez
>reading 4,228 pages of GRRM life is too short
Jonathan Butler
Are the others I mentioned bad?
Owen Rodriguez
They’re fun but /sffg/ hates fun because they can’t be pseuds about it.
Aaron Martinez
I'll give you that. >tfw actually considering listening to the audiobooks when at work or driving so I can dedicate my normal reading time to actual literature but I will just space out and not absorb even half of what I hear anyway
Camden Robinson
What's some good weird fantasy Yea Forums? The more barely lucid and cocaine fueled the better.
Thanks. Sounds great, i'm going to get the first one.
William Robinson
Wheel of Time is a HUGE investment and Robert Jordan is a very dense, descriptive writer so the books kind of drag on a bit. The Audiobooks are really well done though and they actually do help get through some of it a bit better. If you're gonna tackle Wheel of Time you're going to end up reading Sanderson anyways.
If you go ahead and go to Stormlight I'd recommend reading it in this order: The Way of Kings Warbreaker (separate novel on a separate world in the same universe -- a few of its characters show up in Stormlight later and end up playing some key roles, so it's nice to have some context) Words of Radiance Edgedancer Oathbringer
any sci fi stories about vampires that isn't blindsight
Cameron Nelson
The Moderan works are pretty interesting if you're into a hyper criticism of Vietnam era America
Alexander Rodriguez
That's the one! Thanks, user.
John Thomas
What SFF novels that aren't Wasteland/poorly written smut stuff have the best catgirl romances?
Jose Garcia
Nothing gets better than Armor. What a goddam book. From what I remember Count to a Trillion has some good power armour stuff (although it's probably a fairly minor segment considering the series length), and it's not grunt armour but the Jean Flambeur series has some excellent advanced combat. I also think Revelation Space has some power suits at the very end? My memory fails me, apologies.
Matthew Anderson
Someone rec me sci-fi books with a super soldier MC.
Bonus if it's mil sci-fi with enlistment, training and the MC progressing from being an average joe into a killing machine.
You mean the lit outsiders and rebbit tourists can't pretend. Sffg was built to read fun things. Outer lit used to hound anything genre fiction back in the day.
Ask catfag. I usually give him the catgirl books I come across. He can make an educated recommendation based on his years of study on the subject.
Elijah Thomas
I'd be willing to give it a shot, user. In recent years, I've taken to listening to podcasts, but end up hardly remembering finer details from them. I'm the same way with watching political talkshows. I'd consider digesting the rest of ASoIaF in audiobook form, but not at the expense of the pleasure I get from reading the descriptions of the world.
Lucas Ortiz
I had no knowledge of Ada Palmer until this post, and your shilling has piqued my interest thanks, shill-kun
Grayson Collins
So me & my brother decided to invent our own fantasy universe. We decided to start with the map of the world and just note any interesting ideas for now. Any tips for what we should watch out for or book recommendations for world building? Ive read all major tolkien ones (Lotr, hobbit, silmarillion etc) some grrm so id say im familiar with the basics.
Chase Wright
I use nothing but audiobooks. The best thing to do, would be to jot down notes and your thoughts of what you reading. It helps make stuff stick.
Jason Watson
He used to shill too like the meme years ago, he just cooled down. When the final book comes out he will go crazy.
Anthony Hughes
Best advice, throw Tolkien out the window. Using Tolkien as a baseline is the worst thing you could do.
Brayden Reed
Don't start with a map, start with a story and build the map as you go.
Justin Powell
I was kind of interesting in your pic related a while back, but it slipped my mind and I never got back to it. Do you reccomend it and it's sequels?
Xavier Martinez
They do the same things different
it's short stories, really easy to read. some of the stories are better than others, some are a bit too abstract to my taste, but overall i enjoyed it a lot. some of the weirder stories unironically made me think
Owen Sanchez
But let's be honest, user. The only time I would listen to an audio book would be when I'm at work, or when I'm driving, both times where I'd not be likely to be free to jot things down. If I had the comfort to fully dedicate to it, I would just read instead.
The only people I know who listen to audiobooks are people who are "too busy" or people who don't actually read.
Benjamin Rodriguez
Im not using him as a baseline for my work. Im trying to avoid repeating his ideas that are totally cliche today (although some i might use). What i meant was how he structured the world history or talked about it. iirc theres an interview where he says that its always better to alude to other stories instead of giving out flat explanations for everything. Stuff like that. Why in that order? Id reason that seeing the land makes thinking of the people that would evolve to live there and thus the conflicts that arise more natural since its what happens in the real world too.
Jace Gutierrez
Yes, I liked them. Skip book 4 and jump to 5 after 3 though if you get that far, you won't miss anything.
Matthew Ramirez
No problem :3 I don't have a lotta good romances. While I'd love to read piles of catgirl books it just doesn't seem in the cards and all the other stuff I read makes my recollection fuzzy sometimes. Anyway Godsfire by Felice: Sexy slaveowner catgirl protagonist. Lot's of tension. Hestia by Cherryh: Indigenous feral catgirl and newcomer engineer protagonist. Chanur's Legacy by Cherryh: Young catman protag suddenly thrust into all catgirl spaceship crew (crews normally all female). Firebird by Harness: Catfolk couple escapes on a spaceship. Those are my gotos that are easily remembered. Enjoy :3
How would you compare it to BotNS? I've heard people say Palmer's the new gold standard for weird sci-fi, and BotNS is my current gold standard. I'll probably be reading it soon regardless; I just want to know what to expect.
Hunter Morales
>book recommendations for world building The Knight Wizard, by Gene Wolf. maybe i'm a pleb but it surprised me greatly, how it mixes usual tolkien-like settings with more abstract things, and an underlying philosophical themes built into the world and how people move in it and so on. i can't really explain it but i liked it a lot, in any case it was a great story specially the first half
The Fall of Reach is ok, good if you like the Halo series
Kevin Gomez
For what purpose? I mean that literally. Do you want to write a book, video game, tabletop game, or what? Just making a world is pointless and no one will care. Also it will never be done, because you can always just add more autistic details to another empty area of map or another historical event.
Hunter Cook
>Cherryh based and hanipilled
Grayson Bell
Think you quoted the wrong person there.
Luke Morgan
You do good work
Gavin Rodriguez
You are correct.
Anthony Diaz
>Im trying to avoid repeating his ideas that are totally cliche today Just stop. "subverting expectations" has become a trope by now, and a far worse one than the classic tropes. Go back to the basics and just put your own spin on things.
Jack Parker
>STUPID QUESTIONS EDITION What is the Berserk of Fantasy books?
Benjamin Moore
>What is the Berserk of Fantasy books?
I mean literally Second Apocalypse my dudes
Levi Bennett
They're not bad all the way through but there's enough bad there that I don't feel like it's worth wasting however long time it takes you to read 10+ door stoppers.
some high effort shitposter from somethingawful, now permabanned
Oliver Diaz
Because it's shit just like Berserk.
Zachary Sanchez
Hmm I'm also a big fan/nerd about BotNS. I think the distinction is that while BotNS and Too Like the Lightning (the first of Palmer's series) are both written very weirdly, Palmer's writing (while possessing a lot more artistic flourish) isn't as dense as Wolfe's. I greatly enjoyed my second reading of TLtL and it's sequels, but it wasn't as required as the second reading of BotNS is. However, going into TLtL with a "unreliable narrator" perspective does make things interesting, but like I said it isn't as mandatory as in BotNS.
Also I don't think Palmer is that weird, outside of the writing style. The sci-fi elements are pretty tight and there's lots of references to mundane yet exciting economic and political conflict - although there's also a religious angle to TLtL that might elevate it to weirdness (although the philosophical references almost make it feel like hard sci-fi religion? It's a lot higher level than "it's a miracle..."). It's definitely less weird than the alien/time travel/universe resetting elements of BotNS though.
In my personal standing I would rate the TLtL series (Terra Ignota) a little over BotNS (I haven't read much else Wolfe, I confess), but that's because I'm not as huge a fan of Dying Earth or generally fantasy-esc settings.
Ian Foster
Bleak suffering world with horrific monsters and shitty people who betray their friends. Also lots of rape
Alexander Hall
>SANDERFAG A FUCKING HACK And Breeks a fucking shit
But who is the Berserk of Fantasy books? I just wanted to do that shitty meme. Do either of Bakker's series have a boat arc? I heard something about some books being stretched last thread.
Benjamin Brown
Berserk is pretty alright though, it has some good ideas and they are executed well, considering it's manga.
Michael Mitchell
I haven't posted on Yea Forums in literally about 6 months desu. I'm just exam procrastinating & I think I saw the word "Palmer" and got excited. Banging books tho
Chase Flores
I read over 2000 audiobooks. Are you saying I don't actually read? When I can argue with you over the books I read (like I do in the general)? >The only people I know who listen to audiobooks are people who are "too busy" or people who don't actually read. Are you saying blind people don't read, because they use touch instead of their eyes? What's the difference with seeing the written word, and listening to it? Didn't your parents read bedtime stories to you as a kid?
Aiden Bell
Don't you daydreamed agaim about writing your own sucessfull fantasy book series and giving interviews about it, right user?
Honey, you didn't read. Someone told you a bedtime story.
Blind people still have to actively scan their finger and interpret symbols. They are more actively analyzing the text than you.
Nolan Diaz
I daydream about Yea Forums being free of frogposters.
Jacob Jenkins
I daydream about writing my own sucessful fantasy series and giving an interview, I guess. Rather, about going ingonito and ducking into wherever said interview is taking place some time before the thing itself, and having a decent conversation with the qt who's going to interview me, maybe try and find some common ground before leaving. Then, later, when she comes in to talk to the reclusive, hermetic bestseller guy, she gets a surpise. Thus begins my sad little whirldwind romance.
Brandon Cooper
They got split due to length and publishing greed. Bakker actually finished his series though, so there isn’t a boat arc.
Grayson Martin
>I read audiobooks
Lol
Joseph Gomez
>They are more actively analyzing the text than you. Ah. So you admit you're a purist.
Leo Lopez
Audiobook anons, how do you find the time commitment? I've tried audiobooks, but I find them too... slow, I guess. I like to devour my books, not eat them daintily.
Pepe was fun, before pol got their hands on him... Now he is a registered hate symbol, and normies think I'm a nazi if I post him anywhere other than Yea Forums.
David Gutierrez
Audiobooks are perfect for when you can't actively read, like when you're driving, in the gym or doing your chores etc. But yeah, I don't get people who prefer listening to audiobooks when they can just read a book.
Isaiah Mitchell
I've been trying to get through the first book and all the dialogue is cringe, I don't know if I can keep going
Logan Garcia
I found the first book to be a real slog, but it's worth it for the rest of the series It's the worst part, imo it was also written a fair bit earlier than the rest, and is a bit of an outlier
Camden White
Better than text. I devour over a hundred books a year. Most text fags can't even pull 20. With audiobooks you can "read" your book while cooking, washing dishes, cleaning, or doing other chores which requires you to use your hands and eyes. It takes a while to adjust from reading with your eyes, to listening with your ears, but when you are done acclimating it digests easily.
Blake Jackson
>Are you saying I don't actually read? Yes what the fuck, you're listening.
Jaxon Price
I've never listened to audiobooks, how do they usually work? Does the narrator do different voices for different characters? Do they use an actress for female characters? Are there sound effects or something like that?
Samuel Jones
>posting anywhere other than Yea Forums
Ian Parker
>I don't know if I can keep going Just force yourself through it and then the commitment you've already made will force you through the rest. Then you can pretend to like the series and shill it to others.
Mason Reyes
Yea it’s actually awful, imagine listening to some retard with a lisp read a book out loud lol
Lucas Richardson
I bet I can write more essays from listening, than you can from reading.
Kayden Richardson
>subverting for subversions sake Thats also what im avoiding lmao. Trust me j don’t appreciate what TLJ and GoT do. Im not trying to “le subvert” things I just don’t want my elves or dwarfs to be copy paste yknow? Some similarities are fine by me as long as theres a good in universe explanation.
Jeremiah Wilson
xD funneh
Aaron Lewis
Better yet, don't use elves or dwarves. Also don't get autistic when the word dragon is mentioned like other beta male writers. I hate when authors make a big deal about overgrown komodo / iguanas.
>been staying up til 5am reading stuff lately god, I hate myself
Josiah Peterson
Normies dont think pepe is racist, anyone with at least some normal internet exposure knows hes just a frog drawing. People whos minds are corrupted by identity politics think hes racist and theyre not the majority
Noah Allen
Well i havent settled yet but one thing i came up with is a sort of humanoid species that’s completely mute. They have like a weird third arm/appendage growing out of their back that lets them communicates telepathically. The inspo is basically “organic inbuilt cell phones” these species would also built structures to amplify the “signal” like radio towers and follow certain paths bc the coverage was better kind of like trams have to stay connected to a power grid
Jack Cruz
Are you a NEET?
Brandon Jackson
>posts the questions every thread gets spammed of but not the answers geeze. Don't you guys even dare complain next time we get shitted up by those questions.
Alexander Jones
Just finished the first farseer trilogy and i've got to say that as an exploration of cuckoldery it was quite an exquisite experience. With MC's mentor raising MC's daughter but also fucking MC's waifu and all MC can do is watch with telepathy from afar and MC's king switching bodies with him to fuck his wife because he became impotent and MC's heir being basically the new king it was quite something. Other than that I enjoyed main protagonist and his interactions but there is a ton of stuff that is beyond bullshit in the whole thing. Still a pleasant comfy experience overall, will continue after consuming something less retarded. Yeah usually it's one guy who does voices, as you can imagine narration will make or break the experience. In my experience the only major downside of audiobooks is that at times narrators will overreact in certain situations or go with a tone you may not agree with while doing a scene (like being overtly dramatic or comedic when scene doesn't really justify that). Then again at other times they can pull of some great acting that enhances the experience and that happens far more often
>muh dick measuring contest You're physically listening. The person you're listening to is reading. How is this even something you can "argue" about?
Daniel Robinson
Some nerds D&D campaign stretched into 10 fat ass books.
Grayson Phillips
Are the books better than the tv show? I honestly haven't read anything in years but I feel empty now that the show is over and so sad about how it ended
Jeremiah Barnes
Legion of the Damned by William C Dietz Cobra by Timothy Zahn Fitz mom a Cute
Kevin Martinez
>10 books They are like 20+ books if you count the Esslemont ones,and erikson is writing a sequel
Jeremiah Peterson
books are always better than tv shows user
Gavin Scott
It's being read to me, and I'm consuming it by proxy. Are you actually watching a movie if you aren't physically sitting in the theatre and watching it on a projection screen?
Isaiah Adams
>Are you actually watching a movie if you aren't physically sitting in the theatre and watching it on a projection screen? I actually agree with your other point but this is a terrible comparison and it doesn't help your argument.
Jacob Rivera
>Master, the fat man has resumed writing. He's going to finish the book. >"He cannot be allowed to finish. The HBO ending shall be the only ending. Kill him, then burn the manuscripts."
>An amazing second book then it's all downhill from there >An interesting world with boring characters >non human races that are edgelords or downright ridiculous e.g k'chain che'malle and Forkrul Assail
Jaxson Hernandez
Is it acceptable to post your own work here for others to read and critique?
Tyler Ramirez
No
Thomas Thompson
You seeing any guards around to stop you?
Hudson Johnson
Post a passage so we can shit on you
Eli Cox
I need to edit it first as it's very rough, just finished a short story about a guy coming into possession of a magical book and he uses it to make his estranged wife love him again, but it backfires and he ends up murdering her.
Landon Williams
You will trigger an autist or two but yeah, go for it. Some people might offer actual criticism instead of just "IT'S SHIT" , who knows?
Brayden White
Thanks bud, maybe I will.
William Rogers
It upsets me a great deal that so many people consider ASOIAF to be the greatest fantasy series ever. Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of these people have barely read any other fantasy (if any at all besides ASOIAF) or flat out didn't even like fantasy before reading ASOIAF. It was a series created solely just to subvert expectations and nothing more. That's the ONLY reason Martin started writing it. The funny thing is though if he actually does manage to finish the series I guarantee the ending will actually be fairly traditional and predictable given the backlash to the TV show's last season which carried on the GOTTA SUBVERT DEM EXPECTATIONS from every other season. I think it proves that at the end of the day fans actually DON'T want an entire story to be nothing but expectations being subverted.
Nathaniel Sanchez
Writing a female pov is actually pretty tough. It doesn't help that one of her character arcs focuses on infidelity because I automatically feel bad for her husband even though he's a minor character.
John Reyes
The TV show is getting backlash because it didn't fulfill peoples narcissistic projections. Their expectations we're delusional.
Harshly critiquing high budget, high volume costume dramas and speculative entertainment for not mapping onto your specific real world political ideology is pointless and boring. If people are triggered that their liberal feminist projections didn’t play out via the storyline of a self-ordained dragon queen with nuclear weapons, they should stick to SNL recaps.
I agree it's not the greatest fantasy series ever (I don't even think it's good) but these peoples criticisms aren't valid.
Bentley Young
>read Demon Accords >first book is about pure vampire waifu >second book has her (obviously mind controlled) kiss another vampire and MC gets to feel NTR'd for a while >third book has him run into her being kissed by her uncle while being manipulated by some witches
Please tell me this shit doesn't keep happening over and over with her being the NTR bait or damsel in distress.
Jacob Kelly
I was drawing a parable between books being created to be viewed by the eyes, and evolving to "reviewed" by the ears. And movies being created to be viewed in a theatre, and evolving to be viewed in your house.
Both things were made to follow a certain path, but evolved over time to become something different, while remaining similar.
Brayden Diaz
>The TV show is getting backlash because it didn't fulfill peoples narcissistic projections. Their expectations we're delusional. Of course that's one aspect of the backlash and the loudest, but plenty of fans who AREN'T lunatics also didn't care for this season. My point being you can't make a story be nothing but a giant subversion which is probably the reason why GRRM has stalled out on finishing the series and why he might never actually finish it: he has no idea how to actually wrap this story up in a satisfying way without more subversion that will probably piss his readers off.
>refreshingly utopian and positive So it has no basis in reality, gotcha
Evan Wright
What should I read to get the bad taste of GoT out of my mouth? Should I just kill myself?
James Bennett
Probably right. Even his whole gimmick of "characters will actually die" became a formula and it's effects were dulled quickly.
I think we'll get TWOW but we'll never see ADOS.
Camden Reyes
Yes
Luis Reyes
Nope. The author does retroactively change the power level later. Which pisses me off.
Isaiah Bennett
That's obvious with the magic boy
Hudson Ramirez
So she keeps being (almost) raped over and over again? Should I just drop it while I am still seething from this fucking uncle scene?
Julian Ramirez
Just imagine a man, and remove from him reason and accountability and you're set.
Tyler Diaz
Some user mentioned this book a few weeks ago and I actually got around to reading it all. It's extremely edgy in the beginning, but it improves very quickly and reaches a satisfying ending. It's quite a unique book for epic fantasy as horror is a large component. It's about a bunch of fucked up people going on a journey to loot the tomb of an ancient necromancer.
Not him, but you can't exclude half the population.
Parker Nelson
Adachi, pls go
Elijah Garcia
Fair (sex) enough.
Henry Gonzalez
Just try to write women realistically, i.e. not make them super human bad asses that can kill 10 men alone. Make them use subterfuge, sex, and femininity.
Ethan Adams
I would rather write them as housewives who stay in the kitchen.
Owen Hernandez
>It upsets me a great deal that so many people consider ASOIAF to be the greatest fantasy series ever... Why? These people don't read anything else except, maybe YA garbage.
>It was a series created solely just to subvert expectations and nothing more This is a bit uncharitable -- I think GRRM really saw what he was doing as a natural evolution of the genre in addition to making some of his own statements.
>I guarantee the ending will actually be fairly traditional and predictable Assuming the fat fuck manages to write anything else, I believe that the basic facts will be pretty similar but they will be better executed. Daenerys for instance will absolutely go nuts and end up being put down, but he won't make it come out of absolutely nowhere.
Jose Myers
Even a house wife in the kitchen could use subterfuge, sex, and femininity to achieve some goals.
Cameron Parker
When will this retard stop shitposting on his blog and write another book?
The 3 first books are pretty well rounded. Nothing groundbreaking but solid. 4 and 5 are mediocre. I don't want to sound like a contrarian but tuf voyaging is pretty good
Sebastian Miller
She's one of the vehicles that moves the plot forward. And ironically it's because she can't control herself despite touting herself as a disciplined woman and fucks someone she's not supposed to that shit starts going down.
Julian Collins
Do you have any female characters that aren't disgusting pieces of shit in your story?
Cooper Miller
Of course. Like I said this one is a minor character who exists to move the plot forward. The actual important female character is a tomboyish alchemist who is the love interest of the main character. There is zero cuckshit or NTR involved with her, just a pure wholesome romance.
Jose Roberts
How about writing her POV instead of that unfaithful bitch's?
Nathaniel Taylor
Not him, but that would be boring.
Jayden Nelson
Read
Joshua Gray
Just finished reading the warlord trilogy. What did you guys think of it?
Christopher Wilson
The nope was for the continued ntr. I think the blatant difference between books will piss you off more than the ntr. when chris gets his power up no one wants to fuck with him anymore. They books are quick. I did 10 in a week.
James Parker
Hey guys, thanks for recommending me The Broken Empire, the trilogy was a blast (The third book not so much, there was some good shit but I feel there could has been a fourth book and a better ending but oh well) God I am gonna miss Jorg and his road brothers.
Anyways, I am back in the us so I can buy books again, you guys recommended me the queen war trilogy but it seems while I was away the guy made 4 whole new books, would you recommend them?
Christopher Gonzalez
I thought Yea Forums hated those books and its author
Nathan Sanchez
That was like a year ago and a half.
Also I just checked the flowchart, why is house of spirits recommended instead of 100 years of solitude? Specially when the first one is a literal copy of the second one.
book of the new sun hands down. do you like a big guy in a dark cloak with a giant sword on his back making his way through a dark and fantastical world? read book of the new sun
Justin Thompson
dont we all
Andrew Edwards
Is Cradle the only Western xianxia going on?
Brandon Ortiz
I WROTE A PAGE OF MANUSCRIPT BOYS
Julian Myers
emerialia guy is writing one. its called the ten realms. havent read it mostly people are positive on it though. though people say as of now its more wuxia than xanxia.
Jace Wilson
more like book of the boring sun. nothing happens
Liam Allen
so when's the best place to drop the Dune books, if at all? I started the first a while back and got distracted but there are so many sequels and prequels and writer-hopping, it's hard to judge if it's even worth it.
Austin Barnes
Third or fourth book, depending on your current degree of enthusiasm
Don't know but I used to see them on recommended list when I browsed amazon but something always turned me away. Maybe it was the synopsis or some of the reviews or the terrible cover art but I never read them. Let me know how they are
Jose Campbell
About to read Ships Log by Lawrence P. White. What am i in for?
He said the show ending is 95% accurate to his ending they just didn’t have enough time to flesh out detail
Charles Lopez
comes with the territory, I think. Mary Sues work for me as long as they earn it. GRRM's little trick of starting the story a book early comes to mind
Jordan Ross
thanks boys
now what spice do I smoke for maximum engrossment
Juan Campbell
Didn't know Elric had a son
Gavin Jenkins
Are there any fantasy books with a female main character that aren't terrible?
Dylan Brooks
Sabriel The magician books by trudi canavan the Mistress of Empire series.
The magician ones are YA and Mistress of empire is only decent but certainly not terrible imo. Sabriel is extremely based, although technically YA, one of the comfiest series around and even though its pretty old now the ideas still feel fresh and interesting.
good books with a female main character written by a woman though? No.
>It was a series created solely just to subvert expectations and nothing more Why are you making shit up?
Sort of. The backlash isn't over the major character conclusions (bar Jaime), rather it's the incredibly rushed pacing to the end.
This whole time we thought Dany was bringing democracy, but really it was fascism. That's interesting. What should've been a great arc was reduced down to a shocking moment, all internal logic thrown out the window to suffice the overall narrative's new breakneck speed. Suddenly the giant curtain GRRM put up to hide how traditional his story really has fallen flat because we simply didn't have enough time to care.
I think most people are fine with Dany being the Big Bad, with Jon killing her, with Bran being the new elected King. Or, they will be. What has made them so angry is that this show clearly needed another season to build up to this.
Season 8 should've been the White Walker season. Then the twist that Dany is the real threat would have felt earned.
Asher Gray
>The 3 first books are pretty well rounded. Nothing groundbreaking This is just untrue. It's easy to forget GoT came out in the 90's. It was indeed groundbreaking for it's time just for it's willingness to include not only genre taboos but general creative writing taboos like having multiple characters with the same names.
>4 and 5 are mediocre Fair enough, I feel personally that they suffer mostly from structural and pacing problems than actual plot or character issues.
Noah Gonzalez
>Geralt >Ugly Go play with your catamite, you ridiculous boy-lover.
Easton Richardson
This thread came in perfect time: I have a very stupid question. Is it worth it reading only 'A Feast for Crows' exclusively because of Euron Greyjoy? I've never had any interest in reading the books but reading/hearing about Euron's actual character in the books made me interested.
Lucas Flores
>The magician books by trudi canavan >good books with a female main character written by a woman though? No.
2nd Thomas Covenant Series Empire Trilogy Hollows Series Red Sister
Christian Powell
The magician books arent terrible but I wouldnt call them good either
Adrian Rogers
You might as well read some wiki articles.
Matthew Butler
Wolfblade by Jennifer Fallon
Thomas Mitchell
>GoT is subverisve
It's really not. >bastard who is secretly king is the chosen one >evil dragon queen >Children of the Forest are essentially Elves >Soulless Ancient Evil need stopping >Self-fuflilling prophecies I could go on. The trick GRRM is pulling off with ASOIAF is making people think his narrative is all twists and subversions when it's anything but that at all. All he does is change the PoV of certain tropes so we see them in a different light, and his drip-drip slow as fuck pacing helps, too. In reality, though, what GRRM did for the genre was inject some IRL History into it.
You're essentially criticizing ASOIAF fan-fiction like it's the actual thing. There's plotlines and character that the show doesn't have or fucked up beyond recognition (Dorne, Euron).
Levi Turner
You think Asho is the Mary Sue, but he actually struggles and develops. Bu the end you realize the real Mary Sue is the fat guy with the cat
Aiden Howard
I don't know, that's a weird question. I'd just read AGoT and go right through to Feast. The first season of the show is extremely faithful, everything after is pretty fast and loose with the plot and sequence of events.
The third season, for example, is only the first half of the third book.
Ryder Russell
I wonder if Tolkein would've botched his ending, if he ever got to do it.
Camden Roberts
Howl's Moving Castle The Bear and the Nightingale The Mists of Avalon The Emperor's Soul Equal Rites and the following Discworld books about Witches Liveship Traders series
Tyler Sanders
Stop saying YA like it's a disease. YA is perfectly fine and many books are just marketed as YA to reach a broader audience.
Luke Cruz
It's almost like detail is important in storytelling or something
I guess no one told DB
Dylan Cruz
What's a decent fantasy series for a self-admitted dumb consumerist faggot like myself that literally never reads and now wants to read fantasy because the ending of GoT was so profoundly rancid that I want something actually decent to cleanse my palette? Length isn't a concern. I was looking into The First Law trilogy but I'm not sure what the consensus on it is.
Lincoln Wood
Are you talking about the Geralt in the games or the one in the books? Because only the first game portrayed Geralt properly, and it was mostly because the graphics in the first Witcher were kinda bad, comparatively anyway. Geralt was never meant to be handsome, especially not after chugging some potions.
Landon Nelson
The Coldfire Trilogy
Josiah Russell
Well, since ASOIAF is off-the-table for you (even though I'd still recommend it honestly), starting with LOTR or The Hobbit is probably the way most of us got inatiated into this.
If you want something a little more different but still as behemoth sized, Wheel of Time is another foundational series. Be warned, though, endings and fantasy/sci-fi don't exactly have a great history.
I'm not opposed to ASOIAF, enough seems to be different in terms of characters, plot, and just tone in general compared to the show, but I refuse to read it until the final book(s) have a set release date. I should've mentioned that I have read The Hobbit and LOTR, and those are literally the only fantasy books I've ever read. I've heard plenty about The Wheel of Time, I'll add that to my very short list.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
Easton Watson
Yes but I'd need to be a little drunk
Michael Brown
The Dark Tower doesn't get mentioned a lot but I very much enjoyed the first two books (haven't read the others yet)
Jack Gutierrez
He never seemed to have too much trouble getting ladies. He certainly wasn't the clean cut kind of handsome, but there was a certain ruggedness to him. So perhaps not "handsome" but certainly "attractive" to some people at least. To everyone else, he'd look a little too "off", especially after drinking a potion, to ever be considered good-looking.
Jason Lopez
is that steve buscemi
Jacob Gonzalez
sadly, yes it's not a good habit to get into, desu
John Morris
just about to start it myself, so will let you goys know am positive, though
>And me? I’m still here, and I’m still busy. As a producer, I’ve got five shows in development at HBO (some having nothing whatsoever to do with the world of Westeros), two at Hulu, one on the History Channel. I’m involved with a number of feature projects, some based upon my own stories and books, some on material created by others. There are these short films I am hoping to make, adaptations of classic stories by one of the most brilliant, quirky, and original writers our genre has ever produced. I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan. And then there’s Meow Wolf…
hahahah, this shit ain't ever coming out.
Mason Wright
Never read Sabriel, though I have read Lirael and Abbhorsen (aren't there another two or three books?) Empire is neat, desu (the first two books more so than the third, imo) Haven't read the Magician books in... maybe ten years, and I tend to wear rose-tinted glasses when it comes to pre-2012, so I dunno how they are in reality
Mason Hall
>Garth Nix >Australian >Jennifer Fallon >Australian >Trudi Canavan >Australian So this thread has taught me that based Australians know how to write not-shit women
Brody Clark
Fucking based. Erikson still reigns supreme. Only female dislike Malazan.
Anthony Williams
Does anyone have the image "Instead of reading game of thrones you could read: a list of classics"?
those covers alone are enough to put me off reading them imagine how embarrassing it would be to pull one of those throne of glass books out in public
Jose Walker
I did it and the pussy came rolling in.
Easton Edwards
I honestly loved that edgy little shit Jorg and his monologues were my favorite part of the books
Justin Wright
>>"H-hey guys I just finished watching Game of Thrones and hated it, does George Martins do a better job with the books?>"Is Wheel of Time worth reading?">"I'm new to fantasy and I loved A Song of Ice and Fire guys can you recommend similar books, should I try First Law by Joey Abercrumbs?>"Is Sanderson actually a good writer?">"My almost-gf recommended Name of the Wind, should I read it?" well?
I sometimes wonder if these long series readers praise the series no matter what because they don't want to admit to having wasted so much time
like being in scientology
Hunter Cox
dont come in this thread then
Liam Bailey
so is that a yes on sci fi or
Liam Morales
So, fantasy is port wine and you're a cretin with a stick up your ass that can't enjoy the finer things in life.
William Bell
>3552 >not liking port
Brody Ortiz
>tfw I have this sudden want of sitting in a fancy armchair, drinking port and reading some dinosaur fantasy
Samuel Baker
>It upsets me a great deal that so many people consider ASOIAF to be the greatest fantasy series ever. Why would it? Most of the time the opinions of people who say this can simply be disregarded, because, as you correctly pointed out, comes from a perspective of limited experience. It's like someone telling you that some generic superhero movie was his favorite, or that some CoD is his favorite game.
Nathaniel Turner
the people who continue long series are self selected. people who don't like the series tend to not complete it, unless they want to do masochistic reviews
Lincoln Sanchez
>It was a series created solely just to subvert expectations and nothing more. That's the ONLY reason Martin started writing it
Tolkien created Middle Earth for the sole purpose of having a place for his languages to live. There is no 'correct' reason to start writing fiction.
Luke Russell
I'm certain a generation of writers is going to come of the awful GoT TV finale and likely the ASoIaF finale just because of their own distaste for it, and one of those might be the entry-level fantasy bait for people twenty years from now.
Christian Walker
>Sitting in a fancy armchair, drinking port as you read by candlelight and the rain falls outside >MFW I know this feel
I wonder what the next phase of fantasy will be, after this grimdark era.
Connor Jones
Gender fantasy.
Chase Ortiz
Snarky, post-modern, critical deconstructionist.
Austin Powell
Look forward to hearing, I need a new trilogy.
Brayden Nguyen
>starting with LOTR or The Hobbit is probably the way most of us got inatiated into this. Naw. It was hardy boys and Robinson Crusoe that got me into enjoying fiction. Then shivers(knock off goosebumps), then hairy patter. Didn't read Tolkien till I was 9-10. Hobbit was great, lotr was utter trash.
Gabriel Sanchez
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell worth reading?
Charles Moore
Need a good Audio book for my 2 hour daily drive. Any good recommendations in the vein of Mistborn? I'm already crunching through his books, so I need something for when I can't read.
I just want a decent female protagonist adventure story. Romance is a plus. They seem annoyingly difficult to find, and I actually want some adult themes, not the usual teenage stuff that acts like the reader is 10.
>You want something similar to Mistborne, with a female protagonist and romance >But you don't want YA
You're sneding mixed messages here.
Alexander Cook
I don't mind young adult as long as it at least pretends to be for adults.
I'm hoping for something more adult than mistborn, if that wasn't obvious.
Bentley Thompson
It was litrpg, then that i-word(japanese portal fantasy), the next thing is going to be power levels wuxia and xinina
Colton Ramirez
Garbage Isekai stories by western authors are already popping up on Amazon. A lot of them are blatant 1:1 plagiarism of Japanese isekai. I hate it. Isekai garbage is awful, there's only 1 that's halfway decent, and half if its appeal is titties.
Oliver Roberts
Anomander Rake could flex on almost anyone but for ages he presided ineffectually over the Tiste Andii as their civilization slowly collapsed. In desperation he eventually resorted to a "sink or swim" mentality where he sought conflicts and threw depressed andii into battle where they got themselves killed. Of course all this was happening with birth rates that would make Shinzo Abe blush. Even Rake didn't know what to do without Mommy Dark.
Whiskeyjack's autism got him a lifetime of hardship campaigning in horrible places like Blackdog swamp and as Tattersail put it, was being crushed under the weight of his own legend in how people joined the Bridgeburners only for them to be thrown against bullshit like Moon's Spawn.
Tehol lived in abject poverty and married used goods.
Any opinions on red queen war and book of prophecies?
Or any other fantasy book for the matter.
Daniel Russell
why do all Erikson's characters talk like they are in a cutscene of a video game?
Carter Mitchell
enojyed Red Queen's War, though it can be a bit dumb, especially near the end
Robert Jones
Short answer: Yes
Carter Parker
Shinju no Nectar >This is your dwarven princess for the night It's set in basically a fantasy counterpart India during the colonial era, main character gets essentially drafted into the Not!East India Company, because humans are rare as shit and the only ones who can accept a God Curse which they get by sucking titties.
Because Malazan is a D&D game turned into a terrible book series so it makes sense the characters sound like they're in a game.
Landon Thompson
Only because YA tends to used for books intended for 15 year olds, which is not fucking adult.
Gabriel Flores
So exactly the same as emperor of thorns
William Jackson
Red queen is shit. Do not read.
Kevin Cooper
i always say malazan would make a much better video game setting than a book
Evan Johnson
haven't read the Thorn series, though Jorgy-boy does make a cameo
Robert Stewart
don't forget Emily Rodda, childrens books but still
Jayden Hall
an HBO adaptation would be true kino
Jordan James
What's your favourite Black Company book, anons? Silver Spi- no, can't do it White Rose for me
Lincoln Cooper
Just bought an omnibus of The Forever War with the two sequels. Already read The Forever War before but I've never bothered with the other two books, worth a read?
Aaron Bailey
would they keep the children of the dead seed in for TV?
Asher Myers
Clarke Ashton Smith's Zothique stories.
Kayden Gray
I was about to say that the other Sun books, while good, aren't in a Dying Earth setting but Long Sun sort of is and Short Sun is...a post-Dying Earth setting?
>Night Land Based, also be sure to check out John C. Wright's Awake in the Night Land.
Daniel Brown
Matthew Hughes wrote several "Majestrum" books that are basically set in Vance's Dying Earth but an "age" or two earlier. I haven't read them but they're still in print after all these years so I guess there's something to them.
Nathan Cruz
What the FUCK is Severian problem
Mason Ortiz
No one knows you've read the series unless you tell them. I don't know why you think long series are such a big investment.
Ryder Moore
Aramini's cogent analysis of There Are Doors pastebin.com/cPiyiLHD Convincing in that North is a self harmer who's first words are "mama" when Green is the one with mama problems. Also, Campbell's "hero with a thousand faces" turned into a literal hero with many personalities trying to be a man after being emasculated by modernity and circumstance, where feminized society and single motherhood kill and cause psychological breaks in search of manhood that becomes really toxic.
Elijah Johnson
destiny and not being a modern effete cuck? I dunno.
Jayden Jenkins
I know a lot of women in real life who can't pass the Bechdel test.
Caleb Campbell
he was written by a burger.
Andrew White
Read Bakker
Chase Rodriguez
Bechdel was a lesbian who charitably was projecting her personal pathologies onto women as a whole and uncharitably was resentful of the hold men had over the women she wanted to carpet-munch.
Hurry with the new thread, or it will be a amazon self published thread.
Nicholas Perry
Are the Witcher series books confirmed /litty/? I bought The Last Wish since I've been playing the games. I've heard before that the prose is very good in Polish. I'm half-way in and I like the stories so far, although there are lots of semi-circles.
David Gray
This is /sffg/, not Yea Forums If you want literature go there.
Lucas Brown
New home for all the special kids
Cameron Murphy
Lotta people can't pass the Voigt-Kampf
Landon Baker
i eagerly await the rest if stormlight archive, and thought wheel of time was great. Ignore these fags that dont like fun, I dont know why they dont get enjoyment out of anything
Juan Russell
>normies think I'm a nazi if I post him anywhere other than Yea Forums >frog posting on social media >caring in the first place you are the normies
