Can someone break it down for me? Wtf was he on about?
Kant for dummies
Pedantic goblin liked being a big-brain, hi-iq incel who BTFOd everyone before and after him
Basically the relationship between the known and the knower
You don't need to read Kant to understand Kant. Read Schopenhauer instead, his philosophy is succinct and to the point and a lot more useful.
Our minds have what he calls a priori intuitions and a priori categories. A priori intuitions are space and time. The a priori categories are pic related.
"A priori" means that the intuitions and categories are experienced prior to empirical observation. They are projected onto our experience of the world. For example, the category of causality and dependence allows us to observe causal chains between objects. According to Kant, the when you see a rock fly into a window and smash the window, the causation we observe is not a fact of the event but instead something our minds project onto the event.
This results in there being a phenomenal world and a noumenal world. The phenomenal world is the world that we experience; it is filtered through the intuitions of space and time as well as the twelve categories. The noumenal world is the world independent of our minds, and neither of the intuitions nor any of the categories apply to noumenal objects. What you see in front of you is your computer monitor as a phenomenal object; but you can't know what it's like as a noumenal object. We can't imagine an object that doesn't have a position in space or time and doesn't have the categories applied to it. It is beyond human understanding.
To reiterate, we cannot know anything about noumenal objects. This is because we do not have any empirical experience of them, and they are not a priori but instead a posteriori (knowledge of them requires empirical observation). In addition to the noumenal objects "behind" our phenomenal experience, there are also objects like God that are noumenal because we require empirical observation to confirm or deny any fact about them.
Kant is here trying to solve the divide between the Rationalists (Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Malebranche) and the Empiricists (Bacon, Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley, Hume) of the early modern period. The Rationalists thought you could prove certain things (such as God) through mathematics-esque approaches divorced of any empirical observation (a priori), whereas the Empiricists insisted on sensory observation (a posteriori) was the only source of knowledge. Thus, Kant is much like a Rationalist who was very informed by Empiricist concerns. He rejected both the dogma of the earlier Rationalists as well as the skepticism of the Empiricists, and termed his approach "critique". The stuff about our inability to have knowledge of noumena is how he countered the dogma of the Rationalists through Empiricist insights. He countered the skepticism of the Empiricists by asserting that the a priori faculties of the mind are universal among rational beings. This means that every rational being can experience the twelve categories as well as the two intuitions. He also believed this of mathematics and logic, as he thought they were a priori faculties of the mind. So while they are not part of the objective (noumenal) world, they are still universally necessary among us, contra the Empiricists.
Dubs for good summary. Kant can be BTFOd in certain subtle ways, for instance Mirror test. First, it is ourselves, we, as a thing, literally experience thing-in-itself.
Second, we treat our self-image noumene like any other - we realize the abstract model with the help of the mirror image, the phenomenon in here being the reflection - itself a mere symbol of the true thing, that is us.
In materialist terms, non self-aware mind doesn't experience self because it didn't program the social mirroring neurons we normally use to model introspective images of self (as well of others). All of this can be readily observed on MRI.
Are there any "bad" translations of Kant's work? I bought one at random that I haven't read yet, but I don't want to finish the first critique only to realize it was all mistranslated gibberish
What's the name and translators/editors of your translation?
It's a spanish translation published by ediciones libertador. I know I probably won't get an exact answer here, but generally speaking, can Kant be badly mistranslated? I'll probably use secondary texts and watch sadler's videos to avoid any major mistake
Don't know anything about Spanish translations. I'd be careful like you said, but for all I know it could be good.
Do you honestly think a mirror represents a thing in itself? Any apparition of "myself" is an empirical observation, not a thing in itself
Great and informative post
Highly appreciated by myself and others, I'm sure
>mirrors don’t exist
Cringe
A good way to look at Kant for dummies is the whole gold/blue dress shit from a couple years ago.
Yes it can. German to spanish is hard to translate
Also ediciones libertador is shit, don't buy any books from them
I'm saying the fucking reflection is a damned apparition
It’s light dumbass
You do know Kant stresses the importance of apperception (self-consciousness) in the Transcendental Deduction?
thank you triple dubs
That's cool I guess. Still not a thing-in-itself
Good overview of something that really cant be summed up (kant does a lot of work proving his ideas which are important to any philosphers looking to adhere to his ideas). Other thing that i would add is that the whole point of The COPR was to decide whether metaphysics was even possible to which Kant proves both yes and no. As anons post stated, we cannot know noumenal object according to kant and questions such as fate and the existence of god lie outside our realm of possible reasoning and therefore cannot be answered. What is frustrating is kant seems opposed to Pyrronian skepticism which states we should suspend judgement on questions with opposing yet equipollent arguments for answers (e.g. fate vs freewill). Kant seems to reject this but ultimately agrees in his own way i guess?
My question is whether Kant really respons to cartesian skepticism. I feel like all his notions can work alongside Cartesian doubt.
>You don’t need to read a philosophers work to understand a philosophers philosophical philosophy
Yeah. I shitpost on this board with having read nothing but Tumblr posts
Even german to english oeaves a lot to be desired.
Trust Scruton OP
I like you, despite what you said, my fucking sides though user, never stated you were wrong in any way
never do this
>mirror test
>Also ediciones libertador is shit, don't buy any books from them
Wait why
Just take a minute to think about it The major issue concerning Kant is the distinction between the phenomenal and the noumenal. In other words, between the subject and the object, the perceiver and the perceived.
How is it that we can be so sure that what we perceive with the senses is the true object that exists within and of itself? How do we know our thoughts about a perceived object are beliefs we made up or perceptions of the true essence of the object? There is simply no way that we can distinguish one from the other empirically, through the senses. But we can do it intuitively, which is what Kant endeavored to demonstrate.
The shocking thing about Kant's arguments, which have been debated throughout the centuries, is that one can arrive at an indisputable truth whether intuitively or scientifically. In other words science was just another way to arrive at conclusions that were perfectly valid applying pure reason. This can be demonstrated through the knowledge of mathematics and other deductive truths.
This knowledge has led to understanding that our minds might be able to understand things science and other inferential systems cannot. This was a position taken by the mathematician Kurt Godel.
he was a hack
Thank you. I had come to many of these conclusions independently before reading some tidbits of Kant's ideas, but your post synthesized a slew of miscellaneous thoughts I've been having.
Why do you post Schopenhauer when you call Kant a hack? Doesn't Schopenhauer start the "world as will and representation" with praise for Kant? If anything he thought Hegel was a hack but that's not relevant here at all.
good post
Cartesian doubt doesn't trust in empirical experience, the phenomenal world could me nothing but an illusion (unless they go through the god mental gymnastics).
yea this retard hasent read schopenhauer. He praises Kant up and down and calls him a genius that influenced him heavily. He critiqued his views on perspective,reason,sensibilities and how he called everything a priori and his transcendental idealism. But he continued to praise kant and say that if people would have studied Kant more than no one would have took Hegel seriously
no. put some fucking effort into it