>Harley was cool with torturing a kid?
Yes, she's evil.
>The joker has access and knowledge to gene altering tech?
STAS already had street thugs getting alien tech.
Do you think the reason why the Joker went as far as he did with Robin in Return of the Joker was because Batman was...
Parker Lewis
Jaxson Thomas
1. It's a cartoon stop acting like the writers actually connected any of this, we haven't had character building like that since BTAS which brings me too
2.It had been implied several times Harley was reforming and distancing herself from the joker but the writers constantly walked this back to make more joker/Harley stories and that's fine, but to have her arc end with her doing something that fucked up kind of just throws all of her development in the trash
Isaiah White
3.I guess that upsets me more than anything with Batman beyond, not specifically Harley but so much character development and so many story arcs we're killed when they canceled BTAS. In a lot of ways the new Batman adventures feels like a soft reboot and Batman beyond a sequel to that rather than BTAS
Still good but not the same
Tyler Roberts
Ace breaking him definitely hurt his pride/made him vulnerable in a way he's never been before. His original boast was that her powers wouldn't work on him because he's already insane. Turns out he had further to drop.
Eli Walker
> STAS already had street thugs getting alien tech.
Those where given them to them by Apokaliptians, the intergalactic equivalent of giving weapons to one side in a country to weaken it. Now Joker has gotten advanced tech before, but it was normal given to him by either Lex or Sivana.
Nolan Campbell
Michael Reyes
I can't really buy the idea of Harley reform considering TNBA just had her as a full-time villain with Ivy on a number of occasions, not to mention her stints with Joker. Even the episode about her tragic backstory ended with her going back to the same self-destructive mentality, and the Static Shock crossover had her trying to kill a teenage girl who probably wasn't much older than Tim.
I think the movie at least tries to imply Harley wasn't involved with the torturing given that she doesn't know Bruce's identity, so she wasn't in the room when Tim broke down and Joker never shared the info with her. The new BTAS comics had her express similar discomfort with Joker trying to kill Jason.
Matthew Phillips
I prefer this death over his electrocution. It's so cathartic watching his ego pop the moment he's shot. It never even occurred to him that Tim would have some fight left in him.
Lucas Howard
>It had been implied several times Harley was reforming and distancing herself from the joker but the writers constantly walked this back to make more joker/Harley stories and that's fine
Any examples of this? Because all I recall is her hanging out with Ivy and getting Jealous enough to hit Joker a few times. She never seemed like she was reforming to me until she appeared as an old lady at the end of the same movie.
Jacob Thomas
On a similar note, which comes first chronologically (assuming both are in the same timeline): Return of the Joker’s flashbacks or Batman and Harley Quinn?
I can’t exactly remember if Joker is confirmed alive in the Harley Quinn movie, and it would make sense that Batman is working with Nightwing if Tim is out of commission. But, I can’t really see a somewhat happy Batman working with either a sidekick (too much trauma) or with Quinn after the brainwashing.