Slavoj Zizek vs Jordan Peterson debate gets extreme mainstream attention

I bet he does. Teens are very impressionable and I think it's very easy to encourage them to read, at least the ones that go through "I'm so different" phase

>society
yuck

"fashion" is the right word. it is fashionable to have pretty ideas. it is fashionable to hold salon-style intellectual discussions. it is fashionable to be part of an intellectual dark web, and to "break the matrix" by conducting philosophical investigations in an open forum.

i have no issue with this. i like visiting YouTube and seeing popular content about the things i like. i only hope that, at some point, it will be "fashionable" to do all of the above without ostentation, and to regard all thoughts as just neutral graduations in a big dialectic. they're not /my/ thoughts or /your/ thoughts, but just degrees of hot and cold - either nearer to or further away from truth, which is both common property and a common end

Truth is constructed, Arthur.

>>Slavoj Zizek vs Jordan Peterson debate gets extreme mainstream attention
It only got attention because idiots wanted to watch Peterson FUCKING DESTROY Zizek or vice versa

ITT:
>are things possibly improving?
>no you retard, things aren't even close to being perfect.

Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>Zizek
Nazbol altrighter
>Peterson
Evangelical ancap altrighter
>Pewdiepie
Gamergate altrighter

This is all part of the advancing neofascist movement.

Funny that the "dark web" is full of Jew supremacists and sodomites

It’s a bi product of the spiritually deprived people finding a solution in a materialist society which is causing a crushing decay in every generation that realizes how hollow everything is. Even if it is just Pseudo-bullshit it’s the closes will ever get, it works on getting people to read and think outside the box without the establishments seal of approval. Some out of the millions that follow pewdipe might genuinely take interest in history’s utopian thinkers like plato and will breed potential well rounded people that will improve the generations and thus, the future.

most definitely. the abstraction of a truth underlying everything might be a useful one, however. even if we're looking for something that doesn't exist in the form we think it does, the search can bring us closer to other serendipitous discoveries (which at least have some subjective value)

Dude go away.

This is so sad, can we genocide all reality tv watching housewives on this video?

>Zizek
>altright
bait or genuine retard, who is to say?

You fucking faggots, pewdiepie is on Yea Forums,
>I was always told you should start with the Greeks
I literally hateyou faggots, actually fuck off. Also PewDiePie posted this as an ad for his video.

I rather have kids be raised by books than the internet.

hah, he's spicy, it's a spicy one we got here

By the way, both of them are fucking retards and should hold no place in the discussion of Plato.

ogh wow, he posted it again!

zizek is an archetypal strasserite

Good point. Here are my thoughts:

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>both of them are fucking retards and should hold no place in the discussion of Plato
Spot the pseud

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Just a bunch of pseuds

2nd

Zizek is just some sort of ironic communist charlatan and Peterson has only read that gulag book and some summaries of "kneechee". The other guy is a meme man who just realizes his humor appeals to brainlets so he's trying to compensate by having some reading club. It's like when they guy who made family guy funded some cosmos remake because he wants to feel smart. Intelligence never went away it's just that naive brainlets like yourself expect to find wisdom in the herd.

This American obsession with debate bleeding onto the internet is weird, I don't like it.

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getting mainstream attention is like blinding a herd of cows with floodlights

Zizek just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given a better argument for socialism that Zizek gave.
2) No serious Petersonian reads the meme self-help book Peterson wrote for teenagers, it's not an academic source, it's a self-help book
3) Zizek, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Peterson's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Petereson's take on Christianity
3a) Zizek is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also supports Marxism, an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Zizek had done so much as read wikipedia article on socialism, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even read Maps of meaning. Incredible lack of research.
4) Zizek did not stick to his position that Marxism was good, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his Hegelianism
5) Zizek hasn't read The Rational Optimist or Enlightenment Now. Books that brutally btfo Marxism with facts and logic (reminder this intellectual has been arguing for Marx for decades and hasn't even read single book on basic economy or human nature since he was 18).
6) By the end, Zizek wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Liberal conservatism which Peterson promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out inequality in Capitalism, a fact that he also admits Peterson agrees with and discusses at length in the Maps.
7) Zizek being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single evil capitalist needs no explication.

Zizek has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Zizek managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both human nature

Genuine retard it is.

profound

fuck you, swine. You are all animals to me

Zizek was mostly using the platform to propagandise, as he himself said he would do. To do that means putting yourself where people are at, and where people are at is :PC and Marxism bad.
He got a lot of people interested in left wing politics and philosophy and pointed out some strawmen Peterson uses against contemporary Marxism. He didn't do the best he could've by any strech of the imagination, but he did pretty good.

And to add, Zizek's blatant plagiarization of Metallica deserve a trial for copyright infringement. No public intelectual property for you, you stupid commie.

L M F A O, that has to be a copy pasta holy shit.

someone did not really just write that, i don't want to believe it

>Serious Petersonian
Aaaaaaaaand stopped reading.

could have spent a little more time on this, the grammar is all fucked up in 3a for example. it would have been better if you had actually focused on the debate rather than sticking so closely to the copypasta. strong 6/10

dropped in to tell you that this made me laugh way too much. thank you for making my world a little less dark

ironic

Oh boy if you think those guys are fascist you haven't seen nothing yet

Edgy but probably true

>the advancing neofascist movement.
i wish

i will take no offense to this user pointing out this post's silliness, as it is just part of an ongoing dialectic rather than a piece of my own work

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Jew or Nordic pagan?

erotic

no

No, philosophy is actually finally being commodified.

>self-help book author vs homeless man is the peak of mainstream intellectual discussion
>50 minute video on a book you could probably read in only double that time
>Is intelligence back in fashion?

If you count rebranding stupidity as intelligence then yes

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Strauss was right

>the herd
>Hegelian scholar
Lowtier bait

>Two people ..."arguing" (slap fighting and then sucking each other off)... on the set terms of "capitalism" (aka the serotonin system and god) and "communism" (some weird overly-academic and admittedly incomplete philosophical system)
Enlightenment Now: Truth in the Modern Age

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>"capitalism" (aka the serotonin system and god)

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We’re in the end times. People instinctively know this and are searching for answers in vain.

Best post, by far.

Ask the Jeep. He's the one with the dominance hierarchy fixation

/thread

Stop posting this shit, nobody cares

A small portion of his fanbase maybe but it is better than nothing.

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(OP)
I agree. In fact:

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

The first philosopher was literally a homeless man who lived in a barrel.

>muh EPIC diogenes
go back to r*ddit

>Slavoj Zizek vs Jordan Peterson debate
>intellectual renaissance

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O B S E S S E D

kill yourself

No he wasn't you fucking dilettante idiot pseud ignoramus troglodyte migrant newfag. Diogenes is a nobody, contributed nothing, and exists only as a pseud-trap to reveal the biggest idiots on the internet.

lots of good things started out as larps. the renaissance was europeans larping as ancient greeks, the US by farmers larping as romans, etc.

>Being this triggered over a hobo who died two thousand years ago
Kek

kek

Imagine 5 years from now posters will be admitting that it was pewdiepie that got them into Yea Forums

Lmao

Yeah. (And that's not a good thing!)

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Things are not improving, but getting worse while our band aid fixes get prettier and prettier.

This is the only smart post itt. It happens with everything.

Che Guevara's face is the face of commodity hypercapitalism.

Ramones and Sex Pistols T-shirts at H&M were just the next logical step.

You can literally buy Peterson merch right now if you want to.

Soon, everyone from Heraklitus to Averroes to Schopenhauer and Heidi will be integrated fully into the capitalist centipede. Our future is eating shit and shitting in other peoples' mouthholes. That is all.

>Soon, everyone from Heraklitus to Averroes to Schopenhauer and Heidi will be integrated fully into the capitalist centipede
>Soon

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why is Nietzsche a redhead?
I hate capitalism now

Why would I shill myself here and not on reddit lol

>the US
>a good thing

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based, Diogenes is pure reddit

>>Slavoj Zizek vs Jordan Peterson debate gets extreme mainstream attention
Peterson knows nothing about zizek so he goes on a rant about the communist manifesto
Zizek is incomprehensible due to both having a shit accent and making random "points" all over the place.

>the renaissance
>good thing

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*snifff*
>and so on and so on

If the people in the 100 to 115 IQ range want to be pseuds instead of philistines, I'll take it. More people might actually learn something if the conformist bent is towards erudition, instead of actively away from it.

If I were a master violinist, I'd be pleased as punch to discover people trying to learn the instrument, especially if I was used to active denigration.

This. Even if .001 of his fanbase read Plato because of his videos, that's 5,000 youths more than otherwise.

So is this officially copypasta?

romans larped as greeks, greeks larped as minoans, minoans larped as mesopotamians......

You're a fucking idiot if you think that, whilst this video exists with that like/dislike ratio:
youtu.be/pvuN_WvF1to

Even still, intelligent people will be drawn to more complex things, it happens naturally. Vast majority of people don't care about anything beyond their daily life.

im gonna disagree with this post just for the sake of maintaining a facade of unwarranted elitism

I concur with , work on this pasta and it'll be hilarious.

12 Rules for Life/10

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>me smart
>not-me people dumb

*the vast majority doesn't care
ftfm

Why is the poster on your pic blaming Peterson for the hypocrisy of postmodern thinking?

>set up contradictory strawman for something you invented called postmodern neomarxism
>wait a minute, this definition doesn't make any sense
>those pomonomos must be REALLY crazy then

You're just proving my point.

i always knew someone like peterson would pop up and expose how corrupt the education system is but i thought it would be someone from my generation. I'll be a non-contrarian and say that I'm grateful for his work. the 2016 lectures on personality and maps of meaning are particularly useful.

Left-wing postmodernism as it exists today isn't supposed to be intellectually coherent, it is a ruling ideology developed to justify the rule of the current American elite. (yes it is as American as apple pie). Literally nothing about it needs to be coherent, it is pure power.

what the fuck is this video

>the practical point of having diversity quotas is allowing recognized marginalized groups enter positions that would otherwise not be available to them and thus giving better perspectives for the future of the community.

1. Why?
They have to go back to whatever the shithole they came from or go into an oven.

2.
>giving better perspectives
lel

>and I'm Kanye West
kek

>be marginalized
>have special laws granting you privileges to "leave the margins of society"
>whole country's history (USA) is narrated as centered around racism
???

Based schizoposter

Most elements of left-wing postmodernism received support from American intel agencies.

Have sex.

based and redpilled. not only was diogenes not even close to first but he wasn't anyone

you should be cringing really hard anytime you see someone that says diogenes is their favorite philosopher

>from American intel agencies.
Yes and most of right-wing postmodernism received support from American incel agencies.

Not until Goonan gets recognized.

Peterson is a genuinely interesting and well-versed professional when it comes to his area of expertise. His knowledge is obviously lacking in certain subjects and fairly entry-level, and Peterson is well aware of it and always open to criticism on his opinions. He's nowhere close to the pseudointellectual charlatan that the opposition makes him out to be.

You are wrong and should be punished for being as wrong as you are.

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i think his work is perceived as entry-level because he's been lecturing to second-year psychology students for 20 years. maps of meaning is quite an in depth look at the evolution of consciousness. 12 rules was geared towards the general population.

Yeah but a pseud mainstream is at least better than a brainlet mainstream.

I just felt like I could post this meme now.

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>sw*dish
Peterson? I was under the impression he was Danish-Canadian like me :)

i haven't bothered to really watch it cuz like its 40 boring ass minutes of that Peterson cuk waxing idiotic.

I just fucking cant.

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>Better than the void of mainstream anti-intellectualism of 90s-10s
what timeline is this?

based

You deserve those 7s.

Lol more like became infiltrated honeypots

>housewives
Extinct.

probably not.
a lot of people are happy to choose not to work and just hang out with babies.
ive watched a lot of very smart people (who also made a sick amount of money) make very destructive decisions for babies.

youtu.be/CziHrYYSyPc

Check those sexy digits. Housewife renaissance confirmed.

Watch this one
youtu.be/Cv6tgnx6jTQ

unless of course the comment was meant to note the vast majority of dem broke mothafukkas that cant afford it - in which case someone can go look up the numbers as I don't know them.

baby magic is deep.

why is t-series talking about plato?

L3/3T

>youtuber
We are entering an era of unprecedented stupidity.

Sophists have been a thing for a while now.

>retard vs retard argue about nothing
>retards watch it
>retard with millions of retard subscribers makes a video and completely misunderstands a masterpiece
>retards watch the retarded video instead of reading the book
>intellectual renaissance
You are high as fuck kid
Intellectual graveyard more like

>meme debate between unknown slob and self help author get mainstream attention
>some LARPing pseud is cultivating his new image
Don't get your hopes up. Going forward people will just talk about Pewdiepie with you if they realize that you're interested in philosophy.

kek, lobsterfags are so easily triggered

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His post is a pasta at this point

>Zizekfag
Of course.