For the first time in decades Joker is an actual character with an actual arc and not a walking plot device spewing...

desu as long as he makes a few jokes and tries to be funny its fine. if he does fucked up things that make you laugh before realizing how awful they are then bonus points.

>Instead he walks out of jail at will and terrorizes society. Even other supervillains fear him.
I retract "bad writing".
It's "abysmal writing" and "shitty character-wank" from now on.

>edgy
>Nihilistic
I hate retards that use this words for everything as criticism when they are not even real words, but then I remember Yea Forums IQ is lower than fucking Yea Forums and makes sense.

Seriously, do you faggots even know anything that isn't a meme? Or are you just zoomers desesperate to have a contrarian opinion to feel special. Edgy is not a real world.

I don't know if you realize this, you probably don't, but most of Batman's rogue gallery are "just guys". The fact that Batman has been turned into this god-slaying swiss army knife character that can solo Darkseid and Brainiac is the problem.

>Dr. Phosphorus
>Manbat
>Clayface
>Killer Croc
>Poison Ivy
>Bane on Venom
off the top of my head for obvious metahumans who are above just guys.

desu wannabe social darwnist claiming to be an advocate for chaos and disorder is lame cuz batman already has got somebody for that who has the political beliefs of like actual anarchists and is half the time mostly nonlethal like him. Anarchy works way better for that dynamic lol. I prefer Joker not pretending to be much more than a murderous gangster clown with a streak of comedy.

add ons
Cornelius Stirk has his whole making people see himself as something he isn't too counts.
Solomon Grundy kinda counts
Simon Hurt and Lord Death Man kinda but not really.

Fpbp

Wasn't Grundy originally from Alan Scott or sth

other add ons i'm coming up with as think of these
the chick from gotham high who's a pyro witch
Killer Moth when he got tfed into an evil demon moth man.
OneFace and Scarebeast if people remember that dogshit.
I think, Grundy is like Kingpin, he started out on one series, hopped to another and he now menaces a bunch of characters in general.