How can I learn Marxism? So far I've read the Communist Manifesto.
How can I learn Marxism? So far I've read the Communist Manifesto
Jacob Robinson
Tyler Hill
Is this a shitpost or do you actually want some suggestions?
Dylan Butler
Why do Canadians love to larp as Americans? Peterson especially has drinkin the White Monster since he’s going so far as to larp as a Bible belt conservative Texan
Zachary Scott
now go away
Landon Gray
Peterson is actually Canadian? Holy shit
Henry Powell
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.
1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.
Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.
Levi Gutierrez
Can you please stop copy pasting this. Reading this once was enough. You’re coming across as a Zizek fanboy who’s spamming this board to show how his guy “destroyed” Peterson
Christopher Gomez
nobody on this board even likes peterson in the first place. The politicposters are almost entirely either Marxists or far Right, both of whom think Peterson is a dumb boomer
Jack Foster
So? If the board doesn’t like Peterson it doesn’t give you the license to be an annoying faggot.
Adrian Bennett
Jonathan Fisher
can only recommend this gem. peterson should have at least read a synopsis.
Jaxson Parker
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.
1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.
Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.
Connor Sanders
Where have you been these past few days? This place is a shitshow and the memes just won't stop.
Chase Bennett
HAHAHA
GEEBERSON IS AN ACTUAL RETARD
Leo Jones
german ideology chapter 1
gotha critique
MOST OF ALL pic related
Isaiah Gutierrez
>Never should have come here!
youtube.com
Ian Harris
yuhhh
Jeremiah Martin
Nicholas Flores
Carter Phillips
The board is dead m8, everything here is shitposting
Ethan Miller
read bob black and stirner
Mason Sanders
You beat me to this post.
Anthony Cox
The trick to understanding Marxism is learning everything you know from those on the opposite end of the political spectrum.
Bentley Scott
This is the new Yea Forums copypasta. Enjoy.
Jaxon Taylor
the annoying faggot is the guy literally spamming pasta on every thread
Joseph Green
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.
1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.
Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.
Jace Collins
>Marxism vs Capitalism
>Zizek: "I'm not really a marxist haha"
Face it, marxism got rekt, even if Zizek survived.
Jackson Hall
>one of the world's most famous Marxist's gives you a rundown on his idea of re-Materializing Marxist theory through a revival of Hegelian dialectics, the very idea that has made him the world famous Marxist that he is
>uhh, so... what you're saying is you're not a Marxist?
Jaxon Reyes
Not a REAL Marxist, otherwise he would've fit into the strawman that's been created
Ethan Butler
funny how quick you can make a right winger sound like a tankie
Ethan Bell
Make like a kulak and get justifiably shot.
Josiah Evans
>Zizek: "Marx is literally a moron except some letters and stuff"
>The marxist crowd goes wild and cheers
Wyatt Long
>writes a thousand page book on Hegel and the Shadow of Dialectical Materialism
>h-heh, he m-must not be real Marxists... r-right?
Jordan Sanchez
The technical writing in the communist manifesto is pretty advanced actually. Definitely not for uneducated workers.
Jace Bailey
This is basically all there is to read. Marx was a tard
Easton Cruz
...
Matthew Stewart
>capital volume one is the true genius of Marx
>Marx is literally a moron except some letters and stuff
Christian Lewis
Marx failed fundamentally in understanding the critical flaw of man which is massive greed and corruption. He failed to understand what he called for ultimately led to a system of government where power was completely centralized and unchecked and it naturally left the masses powerless. I think he knew damn well what he was doing. Communism sounds great to the retards of the world, but it always fails miserably with the deaths of millions and a few who steal their nation's wealth. The idea of checks and balances was the greatest at controlling this, but even it is imperfect. Even so, it's better than communist government. Capitalism is a much better economic system, but it also has its flaws. Especially when left completely unchecked and when cronyism seeps in. Even so, it's still better than communism.
>but it's not real communism
Just fucking kill yourself you piece of shit. Literally. You are calling for the theft of people's properties and freedom.
>but you aren't really free
Still better than communism and constantly improving.
William Miller
currentaffairs.org
Here u go buddy
Stop embarrassing urself
Julian Martin
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.
1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.
Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.
Brody Moore
Sure, if you wanna end up like Peterson
Mason Hughes
>muh human nature
Unironically hang yourself with all haste
Grayson Reyes
>Peterson went first. If you did high school debate, you know that this should have given Zizek an advantage. He knows what Peterson has said, and in theory this should enable him to reply to Peterson. But instead, Zizek read a bizarre, meandering, canned speech which had very little to do with anything Peterson said or with the assigned topic.
wew this author
first, the rules of the debate were 30 minute opening statements to outline their own position, he couldn't just spend his 30 minutes tearing apart his reading
second, Zizek said before the debate he was going to use it as a chance to talk to the Peterson fans rather than argue for Marxism, him blowing Peterson the fuck out was just a consequence of them being in a room together
Michael Thomas
I'm the guy you replied to. What in the actual fuck are you rambling about? I'm not a Marxist, never said I was.
Christian Evans
Never even watched this shit. You keep assuming I'm listening to these people. These are simple conclusions anyone with a brain cell can figure out when they look at history, read the writings, and look at all the nations in Asia and Latin America who have tried communism. And not once have you brought up a single argument. You just keep linking to others. Can't think for yourself? That's right, you're a commie. Commies are insects.
Michael Anderson
What's with the Peterson obsession? I never brought him up. I'm not referring to him at all. Haven't even listened to this debate.
Oliver Gutierrez
Since you're so put off on the idea of reading on here on Yea Forums, go ahead and skip to the part of that article talks about the "bad Marx" paper he gets every term when they have communism week in his class. It's literally exactly what you wrote there.
Aiden Perez
And for the record, I think Peterson is a pseudointellectual sophist. He unironically believes in Jungian bullshit, he is also arrogant when telling others they're actually Christians. He fails to acknowledge the dangers of unfettered capitalism.
Also for the record, one thing I do appreciate from the commies is that they point out the absurdity of someone opening a business and being able to make insane amounts of money indefinitely even when their actual contributions might be minuscule all while ripping off and abusing the labor of their employees.
Josiah Collins
>the way people act and think stands outside of history and material circumstances
"Human nature" is variable over time
Elijah Rodriguez
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.
1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.
Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.
Mason Rodriguez
Some things aren't. Most of the things that have changed came about thanks to philosophy.
Nicholas Jenkins
>Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.
marxists.org
Leo Cruz
AOC's tweets
Zachary Evans
Just because Marxists say some things that are obviously true, doesn't make Marxism as a whole correct.
A lot of the pro communist bullshit comes about because of the bullshit that capitalist nations do. This doesn't magically erase the bullshit of communism. We need to start looking towards creating a new philosophy that brings together the best parts of all philosophies and accounts for the worst flaws. Even fascists have good arguments to make that others are afraid to bring up, but it doesn't make fascism as a whole 100% correct. This is true of communism, capitalism, democracy, republicanism, etc.
Eli Thompson
Lol okay keep running your mouth pseud
Brody Perez
based retard centrist
Gavin Hughes
Just be honest. You either want to be cucked by your government and let them take everything from you, or you want to be the one doing the taking and want to murder millions. Keep dreaming though, odds are you'll be at the bottom getting raped by your communist regime.
Adrian Jones
Peterson is a brainlet, sure, but text-on-object memes are even worse.
Dylan Martinez
I bet your favorite artist is Ben Garrison
Jayden Gutierrez
Why don't you read the first chapter of Capital before you hold court with your brainlet opinions on Marxism?
Adrian Nelson
based schizo retard centrist
Wyatt Cooper
Why have you posted this picture of yourself? Dumb wojak poster
Kevin Fisher
Why do you insist on sucking the cock of some long dead retard who has been proven wrong by literally every attempt at creating his Marxist utopia
Jayden Rodriguez
Because my chin looks good here. Jealous, incel?