Zizek vs. Peterson Meme Thread

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im shocked

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fuck this was absolute brutal, the look on Peterson's face during the Q and A was heartwrenching

Imagine paying $1200 to listen homeless daffy duck and depressive kermit

>both Chomsky and Peterson appeal to "human nature"

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someone should do something

Implying slovaks aren't whiter than cancucks.

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But how can we possibly gas ALL redditors?

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not a meme but it might as well be
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So, this Easter his ideology will rise again and lobstards will eventually convert the marxists?

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Funny because /pol/ is where the majority of reddit go.

maybe someone will

where are the webms?

good fucking one

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_extinction#Omnicide

Yea Forums is pretty much Reddit without the elaborate posts at this point.

Why even remain here?

People here don't even read.

this is the day user. this is the day you learn slovakia and slovenia are two different places

reading is lame dude

i agree, let's all leave now, you start and i'll be right behind you!

>>>/reddit/

You are still here? Who are you even talking to

What's your issue

Nonsense disillusioned librarian! I read your post, so certainly there exists those within this board that read!

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how do you know what reddit is like? are you a redditor?

lit will never be like reddit just by virtue of the anonymity, lack of point system, and extremely lax moderation

a Yea Forums Yea Forums crossover meme

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They barely even disagreed with each other.

That was boring as hell. When was there any disagreement at all?

WHEN?

Mention me a substantial disagreement, not just a silly, conceptual one. "What do you mean by this and that?" is confusion that needs to be clarified. Disagreements are not confusion and don't need to be clarified: they need to be argued. Disagreement comes after clarification and is done through argument, not through explanation.

In yesterday's debate, I saw agreement and conceptual confusion, but not actual, substantial disagreement.

Zizek might have a Marxist-Hegelian-Lacanian framework but in practice he's just a bad imitation of George Carlin: Bernie type of voter who however hates political correctness because it kill his sense of humor. Is he any more than that? Am I wrong?

You can watch a Romney vs. Obama debate and there will be more more dispute, much more argumentation, much more disagreement. And it will probably be more interesting too, intellectually speaking.

I confess I have never read a book by either Peterson or Zizek, and only some bits and pieces of Marx, but my impression was that Peterson is a neoliberal, and Zizek a Marxist guy who would support the Cuban and the Chavez revolutions. However, Zizek sounded like your typical Sweden-loving Democrat. So either Marx was a Bernie/Hillary type of guy, or else Zizek is not a Marxist, unless he twists the term in a very bizarre manner, which is something I know Western Marxists often like to do.

Anyway, Peterson sounded like Wikipedia for dummies and Zizek sounded like your average Green Peace activist.

you know that if zizek and lobsterman fought, zizek would throw lobsterman in a boiling pot of ideology right?

This actually made me lol

>literally all his characterizations are rigid pop-culture and political stereotypes
Your post might as well have been written by a Markov chain chatbot. Despook yourself at once.

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is accusing NPCs of failing turing tests the next level of internet alchemy?

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I have memorized whole passages of Virgil in Latin. I have memorized the Mercian Hymns.

I am writing in a manner that Anglos might understand. I bet you probably think I am American.

>Linking to wikipedia of omnicide and not Ulrich Horstmann
plebbit? more like pleb/lit/

>He is accused of being an NPC
>"Nuh-uh! I memorized stuff!"
Computers literally do this everyday

OK.

Why did no one mention the actual, relevant points of disagreement, then?

Come on, my friends! Are you afraid of telling me what the actual points of disagreement were?

Why didn't Zizek profoundly disagree with a neoliberal?

Are you perhaps closer to neoliberals than what you may think?

Come on! I'm waiting for it!

Are you just gonna stay there insulting me as old misanthropic Timon or will you spill me the beans like based Alcibiades used to do?

Come on! I'm waiting for it!

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>I have memorized whole passages of Virgil in Latin. I have memorized the Mercian Hymns
So did my LSTM neural net.
>I bet you probably think I am American
I sure hope so. Possessing this amount of niche political stereotype knowledge from a country entirely foreign to you would warrant creation of whole new word for this exotic new level of patheticness.

>are you perhaps
>spill me the beans

Fucking cringe dude, have sex

>I watched the debate and didn't understand it and no ones explaining to me what they were talking about

He‘s right though. There was no debate per se. They were just talking at each other. Memerson about his cartoon tier Marxists, Slobvenian about ideologies.

>my dad could beat up your dad!!!

grow the fuck up your just as bad as you think peterfags are, two grown men had an adult discussion and their babymen followers fling shit at eachother both dead sure the other is a demigod and the other is a retard.

they wont engage in the shitfight you personally want, because the result of that is their polarized followings both saying the other side is delusional and didnt watch the debate, that their papa won super duper hard!!

>Possessing this amount of niche political stereotype knowledge from a country entirely foreign to you would warrant creation of whole new word for this exotic new level of patheticness.

I am Brazilian. It's just that I am not monolingual, and therefore am familiar with many cultures, many countries.

Just had it an hour ago. It was mid-afternoon, there were a bunch of drunks playing football right below my window here in the condo, they were screaming too many, it was very annoying. Naturally, I called my girlfriend and we fucked a little. She's currently in the kitchen, but she's going back home soon. She lives near. I like her.

Sure thing, dude. Still waiting.

>he's so upset that his man lost that he pretends to be the impartial side and calls everyone losers

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Of course I am right.

They didn't debate a thing. The bloody Guardian admitted that in their recent article.

But no, Zizek fans wish to insist their daddy killed poor right-wing Jordan, just like Jordan fans are probably doing the very reversal at their miserable subreddit.

The fact of the matter is that Marx has been turned around so much that he is often pretty much unrecognizable. Everyone has their own little interpretation. Same goes for every single continental philosopher is existence. Thus, you have both commies and nazis calling themselves 'Nietzschean', and here in Brazil Martin Heidegger is pretty much only beloved by left-wing professors, with few exceptions...

>The bloody Guardian admitted that in their recent article.
>bloody
peterson himself resorting to LARPing in Yea Forums threads

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>I have a need for a virtual daddy because I had no real one during my infancy, and this means everyone has a similar need, it's absolutely inconceivable that a person would ever be able to live without an online daddy!

Time for another friendly reminder that within an academic context Marxism is an analytical tool, eg, "a marxist interpretation of the text"

You can argue that another analytical framework would reveal more urgent truths, but being mad about "marxism" is like getting mad about someone using a flathead screwdriver

bloody is far more english than it is canadian, you weapon

Well, Monty Python was one of the main sources I used to teach myself English (hearing) when I was a teen, so...

Perhaps you're American, but 'bloody' is very common in Britain, or at least it was widely used by many comedians and other such entertainers.

>That moment when peterson was fucking cadaverized on stage in front of millions
youtu.be/Z0PMq4XGtZ4?t=117

Why are twitter users such faggots? This grown man’s takeaway from a debate about political theory is that he thinks both sides are his daddy

It's an older-generation slang now, so it sounds out of time/place. I only use it when I'm roleplaying Bertie Wooster

>academic context

That's not how you write 'Humanities departments where people with zero math knowledge pretend to do rigorous studies but actually do nothing other than the same old, political bullshit'.

In reality, Marxism can be a tool, and everyone knows that, and I have unfortunately been subjected to many 'Marxist interpretations' of things in the past, since I am a Law student in Brazil. However, Marxism is also Karl Marx's doctrine.

lel that is bretty good

>It's just that I am not monolingual, and therefore am familiar with many cultures, many countries.
Nice non-sequitur. Suppose it‘s better than admitting you incessantly browse Yea Forums and live vicariously through this escapist hyperreality of being a world-weary erudite and not a favela monkey overdosing on foreign media.

>with zero math knowledge
lel

why wouldnt I just say your side lost and your retarded, just like you do? I didnt call everyone a loser, I called the fans losers. I thought both of them did a fine job, and you should follow the example instead of doing the exact opposite of what they did just because of your immature hatred of the other person. it just demonstrates how impossible it is to exchange ideas and not simply demand 'me right, you wrong' to only recieve 'no, me right, YOU wrong' as a reply ad infinitum.

A grown man wouldn't have anything to take away from this bullshit

Learning foreign languages naturally increases your knowledge of foreign cultures and literatures. I can also make many 'characterizations' using Italian and French popular figures, since I speak Italian (albeit not fluently enough, as of yet) and can easily read French.

Sorry if that sort of thing is news to you.

I like it.

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>Learning foreign languages naturally increases your knowledge of foreign cultures and literatures
No, it absolutely doesn‘t. You go on with coping though.

Another.

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I don't agree with either marx or zizek in the vast majority of issues. However, peterson was just fucking embarrassing. I had never listened to him before and he just ranted about shit he obviously didn't even minimally know. He took a revolutionary pamphlet as the theoretical basis of marxism, and even then he misinterpreted it completely, almost everything he said about marxism was wrong. Did this guy actually became famous by sperging about marxism? It's honestly baffling.

You can actually taste the reddit in this thread. Don't these retards realize the only reason Peterson is a thing is because of how hard they try to shill against him?

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It does though.

There are conceptualizations easier done in some languages than others.

>dude Peterson got MURDERED
>what do you mean how
>what do you mean be specific
>dude he got MURDERED
quality thread as ever
have one more meme image for the pile

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>There are conceptualizations easier done in some languages than others.
And that has absolutely no bearing on knowing cultural trivia, brainlet.

>twitter.com/HOSTAGEKlLLER/status/1119367322379202562

famous last words.
You can do a lot in one day...

>projecting this hard
ahem i mean 'no u'

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Kek

I'm listening to the deabte and Zizek's sniffing is really getting to me. Does he have a disease or is he just a huge cocaine addict that doesn't give a shit if people notice it?

very very good

Talvez não para si, meu caro, mas comigo as coisas se passaram do modo descrito.

Ocorre que, para uma pessoa com interesses culturais mínimos, o aprendizado de línguas novas gera portas que ela não deixa nunca de abrir.

Eu sei que é algo difícil de compreender para um tolo monolíngue como você, mas acredite: assim é.

If you've read Borges in the original and don't have a low IQ, you will know what I mean.

How do you guys know this is from Reddit?

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dialectical thinking

le

spacing

Reddit jokes are like when your faggot little brother pops in the room and tries to be cool too but he misses the subtle point of the inside joke being made and just shouts what he thinks is the punchline and everyone gets uncomfortable

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I don't like it

We all know you faggets are redditors that rationalize your use of it by saying you're browsing there to laugh at people

How do you know that's what Reddit is like?

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A couple more.

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>expecting actual substance
>on nu/lit/

>who however hates political correctness because it kill his sense of humor

This is utter stupidity and you know it. In fact, Zizek's hatred towards political correctness is that it in fact turns a class struggle into something else, masquerading the oppresion imposed by the mode of production by means of some cultural analysis. When he accuses the proponents of identity politics of being petit bourgeouis, he's actually making a fine theoretical point about how this concern is entirely counter-revolutionary and entirely on point with neoliberalism. It is fully imbued with a liberal (in the normal sense, not stupid American one) grammar and metaphysics.

Peterson, you should be reading Das Kapital instead of posting here.

Or

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Peterson didn't really get murdered but just embarrassed himself for 30 minutes on stage and Zizek shortly told him to read stuff other than the communist manifesto and that Marx was a radical democrat.
Zizek's project was to gain sympathy with peterson fans, stated explicitly as non-politically correct (although Zizek is big on civility) non alt-right option.
If Zizek stated all of the things that Peterson got wrong about basic tenants of Marxism during his response, he would have seemed obnoxious and wouldn't have been able to get to anything else.

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>(although Zizek is big on civility
Civility as virtue is quite literally antiPC, they call it 'tone policing' among other things

What did user from 2013 mean by this?

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They're redditors?

>civility=self-censorship
Jesus Christ, how long until all the brainlets leave?

Yeah, but some people think that leftists aren't genuinely anti-pc because they generally believe in being polite to minorities or something.

I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here. The poster said that Zizek endorses civility, and I was saying that this is not a PC position

That's almost the opposite of what he said user.

>he lectures in a cape for some reason

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Can you explain this one to me

Sorry, think it through.

>i found another daddy!

man some law students are literally STEM tier

>peterson is capeshit

STEM freshmen usually fail upwards into business and law. Some fail upwards still into politics.

stop trying to shill your shitty ass memes dude this is embarrassing af

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Fuck off, zizekstak.

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I don't care which one of your Dad's won the meme debate, fuck off

So why are you in this thread shilling your edgy faggotry?

>So why are you in this thread shilling your edgy faggotry?

reminder that ChapoCuckShack is raiding this board to shill retarded communist Zizek

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as a STEM (math) phd student, you're full of hot dick if you actually believe that you utter faggot

m8 this pic is old as shit. I know leddit sometimes make half hearted attempts at raiding Yea Forums but who really cares

>t. /rdt/

I smuckled @ partisian retards who'd think those 2 would actually disagree.

They both collect soviet art unironically and they have the same taste in books.
If they were just regular bros they'd be big time frens.

all they needed was Rubin moderating and people would be nodding off in their seats lol

christ and i thought this website was cringe sometimes
fuck me just look at that cancer

reposting in a living thread

Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

All raids should be deterred as much as possible. At the very least, this culture war nonsense should be contained in specified boards.

i fucking wish. petersonfags are out of control here

>three redditors managed to bring the alt-right on their knees

based

you wish this board was populated by chapotraphouse? Why not just go to chapotraphouse

I did a two second google post, that thread is two years old. If there was a raid two years ago it was such a spectacular failure no one even noticed.

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Chomsky Focault was a shit debate and this one was pretty shit too. However we still need more of these debates because having them is better than not giving any attention to intellectuals.

To redditors who are coming here - the actual right hates Peterson you know. He's a classic Whig, a "liberal conservative" who is aiming only to preserve the Enlightenment society that Gray identify to be in its death throes years ago. Traditionalists hate him.

Advice to you - read de Maistre. The read Filmer. Then read Belloc. Embrace Catholicism and distributism.

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Imagine attacking people like this to justify being a monolingual amerilard lmao

please delete this

>Catholicism

Are you implying here that Catholicism is the ideal form of a religious concept? Or considering it with a 'good enough' mentality because it's already established and has a network/communicability/community/etc.?

Tbqh I knew exactly what to expect and I'm still disappointed. Not by Peterson since he did his usual, but rather by Zizek for not being more confrontational. He did push back on a few things in a very predictable way, but he was content to just leave all that behind early and jerk off with Peterson about their usual "wisdoms" about Christianity. Now that Zizek is officially a self help guru as well we can all agree that we're fucked no matter what, but at least we can choose between the two sides of the same shitty coin.

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>live vicariously through this escapist hyperreality of being a world-weary erudite
takes one to know one dude

what does this mean? are you looking down on stem students or say some law students require math?

>To redditors who are still here - the actual right hates Moldbug you know.

how do his fans explain him speaking as an authority on marxism when he hasnt read nearly any marx

Thanks for mentioning this lad, never heard of him but he seems interesting.

this exactly. some people are mad bc Zizek didn't take JP to task on his "understanding" of Marx, but what good would that have done? he could have spent his whole time pedantically listing errors and providing quotes and it wouldn't have budged JP one bit bc he doesn't give a damn. the way the conversation went exposed him just fine for anybody who cares.

Why? Because he's a pseudo ancap?

He's mocked for a few different reasons. A lot of the Right think larping as monarchists is just fucking dumb, a lot of them don't like his evasion of the Jewish question, a lot of people just think he's a dork and neocameralism is an absurd fantasy.

desu though I will always like Moldbug, reading his blog as a 19 year old vaguely Left-leaning undergrad was top tier transgression entertainment and he introduced me to many reactionary writers who really are worth reading.

Did this Zizek guy have a fucking stroke or something? Holy shit its unbearable hearing his wet slurping and lisp.

If he doesn't have a medical reason for having it he shouldn't be doing public speaking.

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Nice r*ddit spacing fag. Fuck off and don't return

Because it's garbage. Crypto-liberalism.

they're bad on purpose. That's the joke

Someone mind telling me how Zizek 'won'? I got nothing from the debate from either side. Seemed like padding time for money.

He didn't.

If you look at polls previous to the debate, the vast majority of Yea Forums was supporting Zizek.

It's just another case of ''my team won!''.

They barely disagreed at anything.

Wouldn't that be a big time loss for Zizek?
I mean, we expect a prod like Peterson to waste our time for the sake of financial gain. It's basically his m.o. at this point but now Zizek put himself on the same level...

Peterson's stature as an "intellectual" is that he is a meme figure. Ergo, only a bigger meme figure could defeat him

Literally the only reason peterson is a thing is because /pol/tard imbeciles have finally found a college professor who validates their transphobic and anti-SJW beliefs

think of how JBPs fans would have reacted to seeing that though. I wish Zizek would've dragged him too, but I think he probably made it through more thick skulls the way he handled it.

unironically this

pol despises Peterson, and a college professor backing something is a negative in their eyes, they want to sent the entire academy to gas chambers

you're on the wrong site kiddos

No. He's popular because people like you make sweeping statements about him like that and continue to prove him right.

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these are all shit im dispapointed

>believing Yea Forums is only for certain special snowflakes

Aside from the initial drama about the pronouns nobody gave a lick of shit about him except for his fanboys who desperately felt the need to shill him everywhere, including this board.

nice b8
Peterson is a boring Pinker liberal

Yes, because that gave him mainstream attention calling him a transphobe homophobe etc.

when people actually watched what happened they realized he wasn't what people were saying he was and people became interested in him both from the left and right.

He continues to be popular because people keep trying to topple him with buzzwords like you, but it doesn't work because he isn't those things which allows for the perpetual back and forth.

Yes, his fans have felt the need to make shill threads here about him almost daily for the past year just because some people replied with 'fuck off retard'. Brilliant.

You're going to be real pissed off when your attitude continues to build people like that up and justify their positions.

...

go back to discord, trannie

My attitude has literally no bearing on this, my initial assessment of the situation was entirely correct. He managed to make it onto the news thanks to his hot opinions about pronoun law where he was spotted by right wing imbeciles who began collectively cumming over themselves because they've finally discovered a member of the academia who shared some of their retarded views. Of course the fact that his lectures were up on youtube (unlike some other academics with retarded views who do in fact exist) was very detrimental as well, since when it comes to right wing imbeciles watching internet videos about muh SJWs > reading reactionary academic texts.

IMO Shapiro and JP are popular due to youths feeling left out due to the lack of religious public intellectuals. His theological discussions are either pedantically esoteric or abstract - leaving one with not much to bite at. Only when occasionally prodded (see Sam Harris debate) does he plead ignorance or contrived humility. These core religious beliefs being the springboard for his socially right wing sensibilities.

I think it's good he exists in the public sphere as a balancing element, and he occasionally comes up with clever axioms, but he's essentially a psychologist analyzing himself. Because he's a public figure these analysis' can naturally come across as ideological and philosophical but that's the trouble. He's no philosopher. He's too narrow minded, affected and emotional to be anything more than a rhetorician. He's an expression of the US intellectual climate.

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how do i delete this thread?

cope

i don't get it

You see, he spits quite a lot because of his lisp.

why is it blank though

They think he doesn't need to because he read Solzhenitsyn instead.

Has anyone ever questioned your sense of humor?

Faggot thinker thinks like a faggot. You’ve clearly only watched YT compilations on him rather than read or watch his lectures. He advocates for the strength of the individual, you have to be some celibate pansy to dislike Peterson

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i don't think my sense of humor has wide gaping holes in it that distract the listener away from the punch

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>He advocates for the strength of the individual
kek, so does Eckhart Tolle retard

Where's the lie?

It's a type of ink that only reveals itself to people that have an IQ higher than 80

>haven’t mentioned Eckhart Tolle
>lmao sO DoeS ecKhARt ToLlE
What are you on about?

>What are you on about?
Embarrassing.

she makes more money than a stemfag

True but Zizek didn't do any better with respect to religion

so i guess the camera had an iq of lower than 80

Keep deflecting instead of making any sense. This is why this site is 18+

>This is why this site is 18+
Wish there was a way to enforce this.

Zizek brought up Chesterton and actually knew what he was talking about.

damn, well put

As a leftist I unironically don't give a fuck about 80% of trans people who whine and "protest". It's a mental illness get over it.

Hmmm, no.
>It's a mental illness get over it.
That's the whole debate there. Semantics, sexuality, ideology.

Just be normal. If you want to be trans do so in the privacy of your own home. Like a sexual roleplay between 2 adults. Homosexuality occurs in nature. Transshit doesn't. Studies show that trans people who get irreversible s3x change operations suffer from higher rates of depression and suicide later in life. It's an identity politics disease stop ruoning the left with yout FAGGOTRY.

What’s your point? Zizeks own views are pitiable on the subject.

There was no debate Peterson got exposed for the hack that he is, when he was put on a stage with a competent academic. How can you use phrases for years like post modern Marxists, when you have no understanding of the very essence of Marxist theory. The guy hasn't even read it. At this point its obvious that he is just making cash of right wing teenagers... I wouldn't call him an absolute moron, he knows how to make money and how to debate shitty journalists, but when put next to true intellectuals, it ended up bad. Same goes for Shapiro, he can make Cenk Uygur seem like a moron, which isn't hard, but if he gets to debate someone like Finkelstein on Israel-Palestine issues for example, it would be a bloodbath.

>Let’s not discuss their conversation, let’s post epic memes! Share your best memes with me guys! JP Lobster man got destroyed!

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You mean Chesterton's? He wasn't bringing up an original idea

The tabs on this are perfect.

>15 threads on the debate
>1 on memes
>onions.png

Zizek actually countered all of Peterson's major ideas, whereas Peterson didn't even know what any of Zizek's ideas were. He won by default.

You're an idiot. The reason he uses that term because that's what radical leftists on campus proclaim themselves to be. He has sais that it isn't a perfect description but can't come up with a better one.

When he is fighting against "postmodern neomarxists" he's actually fighting the sjw left which in truth have nothing to do with Marx.

Kek

MOMMY MOMMY WHERE MY TENDIES MOMMY MOMMY TENDIES TENDIES

I disagree. I think that the nuances of the brain (most definitely sexual) are, obviously, beyond our understanding.

It's not particularly hard for me to believe that someone is born associating with the opposite gender, in fact I would be more surprised if this didn't occur.

Whether or not homosexuality occurs in nature or not is irrelevant. Are we to decide our behavior through animals? And how would you interpret "transshit" in nature? What would your criteria be?

I think that people born in this disposition are in more need of positivity than negativity. What impact do you think society has on these suicide rates? Have you ever heard of those christian gay curing camps? How well did those work out? Sexuality, like everything, is not simply male or female, black and white. Male, female, homosexual, trans, whatever these are human constructs - they don't exist in themselves they are man made, most certainly helpful, but nonetheless man made.

The FAGGOTRY talk is the same ilk that gays had to deal with. Deja vu. The trans community aren't going anywhere. It's going to take years for people to process that, but you can see it happening.

good goy feed the troll

I feel your pain brother. They will go away, please God, after this debate blows over and they get hungry for up votes.

He became "famous" for sperging out (and misrepresenting) Canuckistan's gender identity discrimination bill, which he successfully rolled over into a highly lucrative "self-help for angry young men on the internet" career. Wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing had he not found it necessary to sustain interest by appeaing a certain part of that demographic via spouting nonsense about about a wide variety of political and philosophical topics and jumping on the "look at me own this 8-year old with FACTS and JUNG" bandwagon.

He continues to throw Marx's name in there without reading any of his work to appeal to conservative cash. Do you realise who the disingenuous one is here right ? You are probably one of the idiots who has donated to this hack.

>slovak
I bet you think Africa is a country

here, this is his position free of any educated person reeling him in, he explicitly blames Marx for the idea of equality of outcome which again means he hasn't read Marx in any meaningful sense (dear god if anyone asks for a source please read Critique of the Gotha Program)
youtu.be/3K8uLsHu5bA

imagine actually watching and caring about this shit

>the guardian
That article was written by a moron and you know it
>both nazis and commies think they're nietzschean
They're free to think that, they're just probably wrong

It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

Caring is a strong word. At this point it's just nervously laughing into the void.

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fantastic

He never jumped on that bandwagon, but the YT algorithm pushes those vids because people click them. You got pwned by your own tendency to click vids with mass-appeal titles. If you did not have this disgusting habits your feed would be full of lectures, not 'X owns Y with Z' type vids. Those are by definition fodder for the intellectualy handicapped pseuds of our generation to waste their time without ever truly thinking.

VERY underrated

I dont gehcht ish
what dosh ish mean?

I'm still confused why people are insisting Peterson got DESTROYED when they barely disagreed and there was no confrontation.

Zizek called Peterson a moron and Peterson was visibly shaken. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together

boi

>Oh shit I need to come up with a decent argument or retort right now
okay, guys what if, what if lol, okay, you, Zizek, you are such a character *smirks*, that you couldn't possibly, *raises head to ponder for a minute*, couldn't possibly be a marxist, and WOW, you got like, dude, like listen, you have so many OG ideas, that, okay, here's the kicker, you could call your thought, WAIT FOR IT, Zizek + ism, ZIZEKISM.

Peterson inadvertently used enough straw-men to show his ignorance on the subject of Marxism. He also admitted on the scene that he only read 'The Communist Manifesto', a theory-wise practically worthless propaganda piece, and by stating on a video the day before (as seen here ) that he's "gonna review some Zizek videos". As such his performance was weak considering he had a year to prepare, whether you consider he was destroyed or not.

wash your penis fucko
hehe

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>Sexuality, like everything, is not simply male or female, black and white. Male, female, homosexual, trans, whatever these are human constructs - they don't exist in themselves they are man made, most certainly helpful, but nonetheless man made.

Peak midwit

Anyhow it shows discord trannies have 0 idea what they're talking about when they think /pol/ agrees with peterson.

>Just be normal
nice ressentiment jantefag

kek, the tabs

look m8, even in our own gender we struggle to meet the expectations, get a good education, job, look good enough to be able to date, etc.
normal people already trying to improve their life by going to university, going to the gym, etc.
if you are a tranny you have no chance, 99.9% you look like a freak that scares people and dont have the mental stability to do work. thats just the reality of this, no law or brainwashing can change that. there are like 1 out of 10000 trans people who actually look decent now, maybe they can live a normal life, the rest of them is fucked beyond repair.

goo goo ga ga

yeah basically thats how screeching trannies sound. you dont see schizophrenic people marching for rights. trans people are mentally ill and they have to adjust their life.
literally no one on earth can help them

why the blanklines?

Yea Forums is lost
its like /pol/ during the 2012 election

literally no one cares, why are you so obsessed with other peoples lives
I say let them eat gayk

i would be less obsessed if they did not brigade the entire internet

do you need a safe space?

>Every behaviour that makes me feel weird is pathological.

i need less insufferable people. no one likes mentally ill people dude

The only place they brigade is your head, where they live rent free

t. nerd with autism

they are all over twitter screeching. literally every single vidya related site but okay i would accept that. but they are even on fucking Yea Forums. they are on Yea Forums. they are on /r9k/. they are on a fucking subreddit that used to be about nothing but fighting games, shitposting and porn. i went to /r/games to read about vidya news and the subreddit was closed with a stickied post saying donate to some tranny organization. a sub with 1.5 million people

it does not matter where i go, Yea Forums, reddit, twitter, any site where you can communicate they are fucking there and on every site people fucking hate them. hope all these ugly faggots kill themselves

>Both Nazis and commies calling themselves Nietzscheans.
>Bloody
Where are the Nietzschean communists Jordan?

>there are things I dont like on the internet, mommy make it stop
kys

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Jezus this one is a mess.

>be an obnoxious insufferable cunt no one wants to hear about
>brigade every site with your discord group
>MOMMY CYBER BULLYING!!! WE NEED TRANS RIGHTS!!!
you refuse to accept people hate you because you are obnoxious and try hide behind the tranny card

His civility came across as more him being coy or even a slight implicit disrespect to Peterson from what I saw.

>Reagan's deteriorating mind understood Lenin and Marx
Based and late stage-dementia pilled

>brigade every site with your discord group
Yeah ok you lost me, lay off the tinfoil

>mommy they are forcing me to watch gay porn again, aaaaaa mommy I dont like it mommy no make it stop

You don't need tinfoil hat when on twitter and reddit its obviously, they are all chapocels and even on Yea Forums they repost the exact same pictures from reddit and use the exact same phrases. they even post screencaps from chan to reddit

40%

The right only started to dislike Peterson when it came out that he wasn't the paragon of capitalism that would 'btfo' the left for good. He is a complete idiot and the right milked him and his status as a college professor for as long as they got political gain out of it, but then came the conclusion: even their great hero got his ideas out of the trashcan.

He literally had a stroke earlier this year, yes.
The fact that he's a nervous wreck doesn't detract from his capabilities as a public speaker though.

t. brainlet.
This was the most coherent Zizek has been in ages, the fact that you couldn't understand him tells a lot.

>mommy help, the fire keeps burning my hand, make it stop mommy please I want to touch it but it burns, tell it to stop burning me mommy no

fuck u
jordanian weeberson is based and redpilled

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>>they repost the exact same pictures from reddit
go back, imbecile

>brigade
hmmmmm

they've succeeded
only came back here because I heard that these memes had debated
but this place has v obviously capitulated to some outside force
lit barely read before but any remotely interesting thread on anything related to accelerationism, marxism, primitvism, etc. is now (or ~6 months ago at least) shut down by fags who haven't read any of the subject material, and don't understand what they're even railing against, spamming memes
anyone who cares about actual discussion has already left

just read his next post and he's actually a redditor lmao this is how obvious you faggots are

hes also a gamer
RISE UP

yeah its not like 100% of the pictures posted in this thread are from a tranny subreddit

>RISE UP
literally a reddit meme only shouted by reddit trannies

>If there was a raid two years ago it was such a spectacular failure no one even noticed.
it was so successful that no one had even noticed

please point out a single reddit filename and post the "tranny subreddit". Sorry but Yea Forums was never isn't and will never be the epic alt-right resistance front, feel free to leave.

NO!
YOU MUST POST ONLY THINGS I LIKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

/r/chapotraphouse

it literally was though

So what demographic involves itself in forum brigading/raids as a form of political activism subversion? Very early 20s redditors in mickey mouse education? Can't be older than that.

This thread should explain everything you need to know.
reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/beosgr/chapo_has_a_40_selfie_thread_the_real/

youtube.com/watch?v=43vRoD8GnIY

>Sorry but Yea Forums was never isn't and will never be the epic alt-right resistance front

think again, schmuck

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Nope, these memes were posted there yes but are reposts from here, check the date.

>neckbeard
>manboobs
>double wrist choke watches
>tired meme cake
yup, its gaming time

this is great

best in this thread

Yeah, I'm sure if you say it's so, it must be true. I really wonder what motivates people to shill against Peterson. They literally do it for free.

asdjkh and asdjkhpilled

Peterson has never presented himself as an authority on Marx, he's a psychologist, almost everything he has to say is rooted in that. And there's value there, it's certainly far more scientific and valid than the pigshit you get from Marxists and political theorists (and that's not a defense of psychology, it's an indictment of retarded commies, who are less scientific than the least science). The entire debate was framed outside Peterson's field of expertise, I really can't imagine why people are circle jerking it as some big refutation of Peterson, or Capitalism...or anything really -- it was totally meaningless.

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>write a big tirade not grounded in reality and with zero value
>get upset when people don't take it seriously
This many layers of irony and uselessness? Marxpilled as fuck, why don't you write your own manifesto next user?

embarrassing

jdals and jdalspilled

The real question is what motivates people to argue with communists? They are sophists and bullshitters of the highest degree, just look at Zizek's line in the debate
>you need to read the Communist Manifesto
>no, just because it's part of the Manifest doesn't mean it's critical of Communism, you need to read everything by everyone who read the Manifesto and who read that and so on and so forth *sniff*
They live in their own academic la-la-land and simply don't care about facts, so why try to reason with them? They're all obscurantists and political parasites.

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>Marx
>useless
He probably had the biggest impact on the 20th and 21st century of any intellectual.

This, we can still use him to hate trannies.

His fans are really obnoxious so people will take pleasure in shitting in them. It's like asking what motivates people to shill against furries.

negative impact* you mean
You're not wrong, but again that has nothing to do with 99% of what Peterson advocates. Who can even say what the fuck Zizek advocates? He's a self-promoter with nothing to offer, at least Peterson has interesting insights into behavior and biology.
It's seem strange to me to target a figure in order to target their fans. You're never going to convince them, so what's the point? That's like saying you can get Republicans not to vote for Trump, they all vote along the party line. So why do it? Why all this slander? I can't see it as being anything more or less than a mean spirited and masturbatory exercise in group think.

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Its not about convincing them they are wrong, just about convincing them to fuck off or stop posting

>I really can't imagine why people are circle jerking it as some big refutation of Peterson, or Capitalism...or anything really -- it was totally meaningless.
It's as close to a 'win' as the far left get these days gotta take what you can

bleach your anus bucko

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

>Who can even say what the fuck Zizek advocates?
You could always read his wikipedia page to get an idea of who he is, you could also watch the debate.

> He's a self-promoter with nothing to offer, at least Peterson has interesting insights into behavior and biology.
You have them mixed up. If there is anything novel that Peterson has brought to the table it would be his almost post-modern interpretations of bible/Disney stories into mythologies and tying those into useful tales one can reenact. Still though, this sort of thing has been done before (Jung and his whole school.) There is an academic journal dedicated to discussing Zizek's work.

>It's seem strange to me to target a figure in order to target their fans.
You are entirely correct in this. However please do not (yet I know previous posters have) attribute all critiques of Peterson or Zizek as critiques of their fans/following. One can appreciate the way Peterson hammers out useful ways to improve one's life: clean room, fight metaphorical dragons, take responsibility, while finding his politics to be silly and counterproductive. In the same way uppity, smug liberals helped push the average American to the right with identity politics, Peterson, Shapiro, etc, ate helping to radicalize the left (this is how I view it at least) by using bloated terms against anyone left of center. The capitalist social media mongers? Post-modern neo-marxists! Snowflakes! If you would kindly recall Trump's address of the union (I believe it was that speech,) he addressed every democrat as radical leftists. You want a radical left? That's how you get it.

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The following things are true...
1) Zizek won this debate...by letting Peterson make a moron of himself.
2) Chapotrapfags have indeed been raiding this board and pol.
3) Unlike what they believe Peterson isnt transphobic, because he was just standing up to language policing.

I honestly never have a reply to an unexpected insult. How would you respond in a debate to not show yourself worse?

I would just reply with something based and redpilled

Based and redpilled

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>You could always read his wikipedia page to get an idea of who he is, you could also watch the debate.
I did, everything he "advocates" is vague and insubstantial, the most he commits to is telling people "to think", never what to do, or even what to think about.
>You have them mixed up. If there is anything novel that Peterson has brought to the table it would be his almost post-modern interpretations of bible/Disney stories into mythologies and tying those into useful tales one can reenact. Still though, this sort of thing has been done before (Jung and his whole school.) There is an academic journal dedicated to discussing Zizek's work.
Peterson didn't invent archetypes, and neither did Jung. I suspect you do not know what you're talking about and it's enough to dissuade me from wanting to explore more of your talk.

>>You could always read his wikipedia page to get an idea of who he is, you could also watch the debate.
I love how when responding to "who can even say what Zizek advocates" your defense...consists of not saying anything he advocates. Lmao, what a fucking class act, nothing hollow or obscurantist here, move along everyone.

I don't come here to spoon-feed. Zizek is not self-help. If you want to understand him go understand him.

>Peterson didn't invent archetypes, and neither did Jung.
I never said he did. I said: "Still though, this sort of thing has been done before (Jung and his whole school.)" referring to the exact sort of archetype prescription that Peterson utilizes. There's no reason to be offended/upset. Jung was unique enough in his line of thought and is Peterson's influence, hence the reference.

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>>you need to read the Communist Manifesto
>>no, just because it's part of the Manifest doesn't mean it's critical of Communism, you need to read everything by everyone who read the Manifesto and who read that and so on and so forth *sniff*
good hearing

>I don't come here to spoon-feed. Zizek is not self-help. If you want to understand him go understand him.
When this is all you can say when someone asks for a single solitary example of his actual positions on anything, it doesn't serve as a defense to the question if Zizek is a hack, it's further evidence of the aforementioned if anything.

>I never said he did
You did, you just contradicted yourself 2 seconds later.
>. I said: "Still though
Yeah. You're not as good at Zizek at talking and saying nothing, that's all I can say.
>there's no reason to be offended/upset.
No-one is upset, although it would be reasonable when someone just wastes your and their own time like this.
>tumblr image as the cherry on top
perfection

youtube.com/watch?v=Zwunz4uOEHo

MY BOI PEE-PEE PATTERSON OWNED ZIZO SLOJACK YE

What shocks me is that he was a professor at Harvard.

That university publishing press + their scientific journal publications already rank it the top of tops... how did that guy end up there?

Fuck you retards don’t even understand the memes you’re reposting from Reddit do you. unironically end your life.

>here's a list, admittedly a pasta, of things that JBP got wrong
>lol just because you write stuff doesn't mean it's true man, what if like saying things can be wrong and being right is not guaranteed, what now? will you still ever dare say anything? why would anyone ever say something against Peterson when saying anything ever is wrong? they must really be obsessed! why do they hate him so? what has he ever done for people to SAY! S-A-Y! things! say things! about him!?

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>gordon peterson is wrong
at least hes white, you fucking coal burner

Um... Coal burners can be white as well?

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So you realize how fucked it is to be a trans person, it's not that much of a step to realize that "just act normal" isn't a solution to any of the problems that trans people face any more than it's a solution for homosexuality, depression, ocd, or schizophrenia. Transitioning and surgery and social acceptance are obviously not curative solutions, but so far they're the only solutions we've found that have any promise of progress.

>being this mad
>proving their point
Petersonfags and Zizekfags are both pathetic jokes.

>transphobia

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the funny thing is the user that made that pasta posted his degree, he's more accredited in poli sci and philosophy than JP

Non-Peterson non-Zizek fags are even more pathetic.