Did Zizek even support marxism or did he just come here to btfo out of peterson

In what way? Wasn't the whole point capitalism vs communism?

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I really like this answer

As good as Zizek was, its hard to say he won when we granted the critiques of Marxism in the first 3 minutes

The latter. He doesn't actually support Marxism.

>As long as you keep the religious and immaterial sphere away from the economic regime
No one actually does this. It's impossible.
Be very wary of people who claim to. They're hiding their agenda.

It's really all she's good for.

>post scarcity
what’s the reason for economics when an economy is the management of available (scarce) resources

Economics is how you live and how you interact with reality. Religion can be proven to be beneficial for a society actually, given the striving for positive utilitarian benefits for all.

Given that competition can drive people to negatively influence others, I can use Game Theory to prove that tying religion to the political sphere is a bad idea, much like how Tocqueville would say in Democracy in America.

"Post scarcity" is a synonym for "Utopia"
Anyone talking about it seriously shoudn't be taken seriously.

This is actually one of the smartest comments I've read recently :3

They are obsessed with 'ownership of production', but I have proven in other posts that this definition of socialism is foolhardy. That all that is really required is that the rate of profit is maintained as close to zero as possible, to optimize the utility of the consumers/workers in the economy.

>VAGINA
Oh no no no
>she
Oh no no no

Religion is just another chess-piece peice in the political game. And it's a peice which can't be removed from the board.

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Why not? It already seems we live in a post scarcity world

it can but it may come back in a state where the you opponent controls it

>I HERD UR A MARXIST LOL
>U MUST BE DUBM!!
Peterson and his cult have literally nobody to blame but themselves.

71% of the world's population lives on less than $10 a day. Resources are finite. It seems to you our world is post-scarcity because you personally live in a bubble of material abundance.

>Marxism is inferior because it is an atheist standpoint.
>what are christcoms

>Religion is just another chess-piece peice in the political game

In Europe, yes. In America, it developed where it was detached from the state. Read Democracy In America. :3

>it can
It has never done so. You believe this because your religion is materialism.

He believes technology will lead to post-scarcity. His opinion is the same shared by Elon Musk and Bill Gates.

but how can you ensure that too much profits are taken to the point where it negatively effects society

It has only been decoupled from the state as a legal fiction. It was never decoupled from politics or economics.

I'm watching it right now :3

One hour into it. Zizek is acting like an immature child and Peterson is not chimping out at all. Peterson is LITERALLY keeping his cool and not freaking out about anything. I mean, seriously. How fucking immature can you possibly get, it seems like Zizek is trying to work with the crowd and speak over Peterson, as opposed to logically arguing with facts.

Based. Yea Forums should take the Thorstein Veblen pill.

We are living in a post scarcity when it comes to food and shelter. If anyone is deprived of them its solely due to capitalism

Marxism is just a method of critiquing capitalism and understanding social conflict.

It's not a proposition for how to run society and thus doesn't need to be "defended" like, say, communism or fascism or liberalism.

Appeal to authority. Very flawed ones.

Post-scarcity is a SciFi plot device. Not a rational foundation for political ideologies.

how would catholics work in a christian communist system ( if that sounded retarded it’s because I just learned what christ comm is)

Ah I thought we were trying to positively effect society. Communism is essentially just a positive linear sum of utility for the citizens.

I don't think you understand. The Vatican and similar ecclesiastical principalities being involved in political power and various sorts of power-garnering control schemes (such as being referenced in Machiavelli's The Prince) helped them essentially gain disfavor in the eyes of everyone involved in Europe.

The fact that religion controlled the motivation for war was a huge factor in the population wanting to distance themselves from it.

It doesn't help that essentially the French Revolution was a disorganized chaotic attempt to wrest control from the religious authority. As a result, much of the church land was converted to farms or shops or things of this nature. Society became more usurious and, essentially, Edmund Burke's claims were vilified: people became money-jobbers and bankers. That leads us to where we are today. We are lucky America has a scrap of religious belief in this rather hellscape of a money-grabbing world.

The real issue is morality, not whether we live in a 'communist' state or not. For fucks sake.

Q.E.D.

so the persians

Jesus was a proto-Marxist, though.

I meant the exact opposite i’m just shit at english

Marxism is inherently atheistic. You are an academic retard.

There is one section of The Holy Bible which could be interpreted as socialism: Acts 4:20. I think religious socialism is a noble cause. Anything exceedingly materialistic tends to self-destruction.

Much like the monastery system did in the middle ages.

They gained disfavor with secular elites (extant and aspiring) who coveted their power.

The French Revolution was an organized attempt by aspiring elites to wrest control from both religious and secular authorities.

>The real issue is morality, not whether we live in a 'communist' state or not. For fucks sake.
I agree and wasn't arguing against that.

>You are an academic retard.
What does that even mean? Jesus was a hippie, though. He was closer to being a Marxist than a capitalist.

are a non sequitur.

Christ was an aspiring insurgent motivated by the dream of an ethnostate.

Well short term it definitely does. Technically the utility of the participants in the economy would be very high if the rate of profit were zero for the productive agents. Even greater if they were in the red (usually). However the funny thing about utility topological graphs is that they technically work the way they do because the highest area of desire is a functioning relationship between the productive agents and society. A form of competitive competition. Not a leech-like relationship like landlords or capital-renters have to society. But the question is not about short-term. It's about long-term.

How do you know that reducing the profits to zero actually positively benefits society for the long-term?

That is more of a judgment call. However, I would say that most socialist states would require a large degree of economic control which would devolve into internecine war between the participants in the economy and the government who organizes it. They would eventually desire that the population simply does not procreate at all, given that is the ultimate goal of the Elite: that they desire their threats not procreate. What they do is essentially thus: control the proletariat population. They manage the reproduction rate. They keep the poor populous and the relatively intelligent and wealthy from populating.

This is the dark truth. It's why you see so many threads being made daily about the fact that they can't get laid etc etc. It's because the elite manages the mentality of the women in your age class. The answer is obviously God.

:3 I believe in God so there is a reason my life is good. There is a reason that this is happening on this board even. My faith is a source of support from other people. I have faith in them, so they have faith in me. I have faith in myself, so they have faith in me. It causes me to succeed.

Wasn't he more like a celestial reactionary? Y'know, "trying to bring the Kingdom of God to the Earth" and stuff. Wasn't that his mission?

Jesus was a prophet of God. God killed people. Jesus yelled at people, flipped over tables, insulted people etc etc. Read the Bible.

I'm glad you agree the French Revolution is a mistake and we should focus on God, then. Considering you agree about the French Revolution and the real issue. :3

sauce

For the first claim? The Communist Manifesto.

For the second? The Holy Bible.

We're trying to be educated revolutionaries here, not brainwashed collegiate atheists. I don't appreciate the name.

He also helped the poor, cured the infirm, preached good, and converted water into wine. What you said amounts to nothing. The good far outweighs the silly complaints.

I wasn't complaining. Everything we both said is good. None of it is bad.

He was a prophet of God. :3

In Jewish parlance of the time "the kingdom of god" was a monarchy ruled by someone of Davidian linage, which Jesus claimed. His mission was to expel the Romans, reestablish a Jewish state, and take the throne. He wasn't particularly successful, and was executed by the Romans when he gained enough support to come to their attention.

It's my opinion that he was trying to employ a Mithridatian strategy, but he lacked the requisite organizational skills and his people lacked the ethnic cohesion to pull it off.

His objective was simply to create a kingdom for the ones who do good on this earth. A kingdom like the King of David inherited from God himself.

His kingdom was prophetic, and his sayings and preachings came true. Stop speaking as if God isn't an active force in our lives, moron.

Your interpretation is a religious one. I won't argue against your faith. But if you don't subscribe to a religious creed mine is the only interpretation which makes sense.

And many are beginning to doubt that the atheistic stance is the correct one, thank God. You cannot doubt that the religious belief of this board has increased as of late.

In addition, I have even seen the culture on Reddit changing, in addition to the religion of thousands of people around me.

It is no coincidence. Here comes a religious wave. :3

>Jesus yelled at people, flipped over tables, insulted people etc etc.
Was David Foster Wallace literally Jesus Christ? Wait wait, DFW was the second coming of Christ?
>During another fight, [DFW] threw a coffee table at her.
>[on Ellis' American Psycho] You’re just displaying the sort of cynicism that lets readers be manipulated by bad writing. I think it’s a kind of black cynicism about today’s world that Ellis and certain others depend on for their readership. Look, if the contemporary condition is hopelessly shitty, insipid, materialistic, emotionally retarded, sadomasochistic, and stupid, then I (or any writer) can get away with slapping together stories with characters who are stupid, vapid, emotionally retarded, which is easy, because these sorts of characters require no development.
Was Dave the messiah or just a naughty boy?

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I'm thinking seriously about converting to Catholicism.

>n Jewish parlance of the time "the kingdom of god" was a monarchy ruled by someone of Davidian linage, which Jesus claimed.
I'm gonna need a source, doc. Big if true.

Marx writes 80% of his work on Capitalism, 14% of his work on Socialism/revolution, 5% on Stirner, and about 1% (being generous) on Communism. Some less than educated people believe if you don't 100% dogmatically believe in that 14% about Socialism/revolution then you can't be a Marxist.

>hitler
>not hidler
The one time a communist doesn't type retarded drivel is the one time they're supposed to.

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He also wrote about Proudhon and his other enemies, not just Stirner.

Good, Catholicism is the true religion. The paedophiles and our current philistine pope are our own trials from God but we will triumph, as we always have, and will remain glorious and unshakeable as God's very own will.
youtube.com/watch?v=M-WF0PVi2FA

>catholic
>weeb

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I will pray for you

Zizek, despite being an “atheist” better explained the importance of Christianity than Peterson did, and cited theologians (Chesterton) in discussing the importance of Christianity. Marxism doesn’t have to be atheist, there’s an entire movement in LatAm called “liberation theology” which is about integrating Marxism into Christianity

I hope it's true, user. I could use some help. Good luck and may God be with you.

Link to debate?

>theologians
>Chesterton

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His critiques and analysis is explicitly marxist. He basically btfo peterson using marxism

i agree my jaw almost dropped when he mentioned Kierkegaard

Prepare for Peterson to start sucking Zizek’s dick in the Q&A. He literally says he’s attracted to him

he mentions Kierkegaard quite often, he was/is one of the main philosophers who pushes his influence in academic philosophy; he was basically relegated to theology for a century.

>He literally says he’s attracted to him
Oh so that's what happened. Lobsterman had an infatuation over Sniffman which clouded his arguments and such.

For a debate between zizek and Peterson, only a meme theologian would suffice

that was actually really weird. Peterson kept trying to touch him after the debate ended too, did you notice that? what the fuck is his problem...

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Technically both the Catholic and Orthodox churches are apostolic, so both are the true church. However Orthodoxy is bound to certain ethnicities, so if you're not Greek or Russian et. al. Catholicism is the only option.

>However Orthodoxy is bound to certain ethnicities, so if you're not Greek or Russian
But in that Seinfeld episode George becomes Orthodox. It's not fair, bros.

George became Orthodox in the same way he became a marine biologist.

I have Ukrainian family and they are Greek Orthodox; their funerals are weird af

For some reason Zizek exudes megawatts of sexual charisma. It's not on a wavelength I can pick up, but people attuned to it simply cannot escape the signal.

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You should see a Masonic funeral.

Do tell us about those funerals, lads.

Argentine whores would marry anything that's foreign, especially if it's vaguely famous or rich. Trust me.

Was this the criteria of his Peter guy when he challenged him? Like did he say “Slavjob Jijech, would you please debate Marxism with me?”

Hahhaha

I'm Romanian, enlighten me about the so called weirdness.

Greek Orthodox (or Ukranian Greek Orthodox for whatever that's worth) is a shitload of chanting in Greek and a lot of thuribles with very strong incense. Strikingly medieval.
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>respect the dead and pray for their safe passage
>WHoA DuDe this IS SoOoO WiErd!!?
I will pray for you

You're just a twat.

Sounds like a cuck 3rd world country problem, though...

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>Argentine whores would marry anything that’s foreign
Buying my tickets as we speak

Masons occasionally re-enact the funeral rites for famous masons. A few years back I attended a service for Buffalo Bill Cody at his grave site. They had an altar set up with symbolic items on it, and spoke meaningfully about them, but without initiation you have no idea what they're saying. They announce the teaching of Masonry is that there is an eternal afterlife. They talk about the Great Architect. The oddest thing about it is how many people show up, and all the regalia they're wearing.

The oddest thing is how I ended up there. My family was visiting from another state, and I took them to see the Buffallo Bill grave and museum with no special event in mind. It just happened on that day. But I was a member of the Demolay as a kid and my mom is in the Eastern Star. So like everyone else there we had a connection to it.

There is absolutely something metaphysical going on with Freemasonry. It's not particularly sinister but it is incredibly occult.

You should give that guy your number you know. This is probably your last chance at true love.

why does this offend you?

I was just illustrating that scarcity is real. I never said it's capitalism's fault lesser races live in shitholes.

What the fuck is weird about incense and hymns

Seems like he's more concerned than offended.

Why does Peterson always play with his wedding ring when he's nervous?

Most funerals I have been to were in English and they just talked about the person, said some lazy moralistic prayers, ect. They were pretty much what you see on TV/the movies; whereas the Orthodox are very orthodox, it was striking.

>WHOA, these people actually BELIEVE what they practice?
>HOW WEIRD!!!???!?
I hate retards

>lesser races
creepy flex but
It might be. Practicing capitalism in countries with no money gets 99% of the people nowhere and capitalists from other countries swooping in every now and then to half-heartedly pass out tax-deductible rice and no more isn't solving many problems.

Who won? Can't be arsed with Internet celebs enough to watch

What do you think I'm saying about Greek Orthadox? (keep in mind this is my cultural heritage...)

>This is my HERITAGE
>Still get the heebie jeebies
Fuck you suburbanite, that isn't your "heritage", that's just your ethnic shelter.

>my cultural heritage

Are you American by any chance?