Zizek vs Peterson debate

Why does Peterson always sound like he is about to cry?

Would watch

>judeo-christian

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zizek is built like the michelin man

i wish a socially conservative/economically liberal person would address how their brand of individual morality can be re-enforced/spread, especially when the economic liberalism they support trends people in the opposite direction

>starving to death reminds you how happy you were to have food
woah, he's mopping the floor with jbp

>traditional values

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>a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

This is what comes up when you google communism. In what world is this practical?

cause if he gets called out or rekt on a debate he can just make up some story about being ill for a month because he drank a glass of cider or something

zizek is literally going to cede the debate to peterson by default because he isnt even interested in arguing his own point

>the true horror for me was that four years later, ex-communists came back to power
BASED

>in a debate about capitalism vs marxism in regards to happiness, Zizek starts arguing against happiness itself
worth the wait

Well, this isn't getting any better, I expected a debate and instead got recycled lectures.

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Peterson is clearly some sort of pseudo bipolar case. He's not an actual madman but he's emotionally unstable and gets wrapped up into delusional grandiose thinking

oh god zizek is fucking murdering jordan

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I can't believe Peterson is having an actual debate.

>capitalism needs dictatorship
>marx didn't have a good theory of how social power exists
I thought this guy was a commie....?

There's so much more overlap between these guys than I think they realized, but I think it's hitting them now.

who said judeo christian? it better not have been zizek

UH
UH
WHERE
UH

>peterson: *on the verge of tears*
>zizek: shshshshshshshshsh SNIFFFF uhhh

this is so strangely unpleasant to listen to

in the words of zizek,
>the first rule of psychoanalysis is that noone really wants to be happy

Why is the commie making "ugh" noises constantly?

someone post that peterson face now

petersein

>for him, comunism is not egalitarianism
Fucking THANK YOU, zizek. I was waitong for someone to tell Peterson communism isn't just when "every1 is equal."

no zizek literally said that his approach with this ""debate"" was to focus on where they agree rather than disagree

this is very likely just a cheap excuse but still
youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9-9AkQV-c

>the only thing that happened at the end of apartheid is the old ruling class was joined by a new black ruling class

Capitalist nations are considered the "dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie" in Marx's theories.

because yeh uh sniff uh egalitaranism sniff uhhh uh a uh SNIFF uh ah SNIFFFFF marx UH sniff

the only thing that happened when i banged your mom was that her old pussy was joined by my black cock

OKAY, VERY BRIEFLY

wtf the crowd im scared for slavoj bros

He has nervous ticks

>oh god zizek is fucking murdering jordan
how do people believe he makes any good points
>irrelevant story
>*sniff*
>weird analogy
>*sniff*
>im not arguing for marxism, im arguing against happiness
>*sniff*

everybody pushed these two together in a staged debate and inadvertently made them friends with each other. that's what we're watching. Peterson and Zizek's blossoming friendship.
they've literally agreed more than disagreed.
they have 10 minutes each for a rebuttal and they're scrambling for disagreements.

hopefully

this is every time zizek opens his mouth

zizek is simply a new world orderist dressed up in leninism lite

I SPENT 40 YEARS THINKING ABOUT THIS you

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Earth 57

strawpoll.me/17849671

>There's so much more overlap between these guys than I think they realized, but I think it's hitting them now.
They both just made the same argument, got confused that they were in agreement and started attacking Scandinavian socialism out of confusion..

This is not even wrong. He is going leng tch'e on his ass, giving him morphine while continualy cutting.

I love how this turned into a private lecture for Peterson

Can we all agree that monarchism is the greatest form of government?

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>zizek btfoing marx live on stage
that's it, the lobster man won, he's self-destructing

>the obligatory French phrase

Thank you sniffing man

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Zizek cites a lot of different authors and books and people think he's smart and therefore feel smart if they like him.

this crowd is a cringefest, purely in there for the enterteinment

In terms of what the debate was supposed to be about: Marxism vs capitalism, as to which creates the most happiness, Zizek hasn't even defended marxism while Peterson has defended capitalism against marxism. Zizek lost the debate.

Zizek is describing the EU...

Works well, plebs done understand it, and a multinational organisation.

no

Peterson is a fucking idiot lmao
Zizek even called him out that Marx explicitly denounces egalitarianism, thank fuck for that.

Lobsterman BTFO

You're actually retarded friend arent you

He went overtime for the second time even after saying he would keep it under ten minutes.
What a fucking alpha.

How the fuck is Zizek "murdering" Memerson? They're both approaching the same thing with same arguments from different angles

>when I was looking at your work
does this mean memerson actually read some zizek before walking on stage

why is he hitting on him

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>hes psychoanalysing zizek because thats all hes formally trained in

eek

oh god I need to sell all my petersoncoin before the market crashes

he literally mentioned like 5 or 6 writers you retard

do you know what board you are on

Yeah, I could do without the constant cheering every other minute.

"I will stop, immediately"
Based Zizek

>peterson calling zixek smart, funny and attractive
dawww

Kek

I have a dog in this fight and this is the first time I've listened to Zizek but WTF do people take him serious??
What a rambling mess of nothing. If he had a southern accent he'd be laughed out of the building.
Hes like a perfect distillation of the university class. Sounds impressive and authoritative but isn't actually saying or doing anything.

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>but I think it's hitting them now.
It's really hitting them now.

Lasted for thousands of years while newcomers are constantly in crisis in the short time they've been popular. There's just no competition.

When he could get to the point by mentioning 0.

Yea Forums has ptsd from years of petersonposting, they froth at the mouth at any opportunity to attack him

This is where he kills peterson

Zizek made ONE decent point that "Cultural Marxists are just the new "Jews" for reactionaries to rail against" which is one of Peterson's main schticking points, but Peterson didn't respond to it and the whole thing got dropped.

Shame.

Zizekism

simple: he turned peterson into a fucking commie

>last chance for Peterson to ask Zizek literally anything
>YOU'RE SO COOL ZIZEK WHY ARE YOU SO COOL
fucks sake what am i watching

Welcome to the last 30 years of Zizekian thought, we have sniffing memes and trashcan jokes

this. they both end up saying " we need to change things" with no real solution. They even acknowledge the same problems

and you have ptsd from reactionary behavior towards petersonposting ,

"if you read him closely"
Translation
"If you actually read him"

Peterson caused more butthurt than anything ive ever seen on this site. pol lost their fucking minds over him

and he is literally just this naive boomer fuck

HAHAHHAHAHAH HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ZIZEK

Imagine being in front of one of the most red contemporary philosophers and ask him why he isn't zizekian

zizek subtly calling peterson a brainlet and telling him to read more to his face in front of his fans

based zizek reducing jordan to tears

4d chess debate mastermind slavoj, penis higiene man GTFO

hegel is retarded

>rap battle for nerds

>marxism-zizekizn

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>read Capital you fucking pseud

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>zizek literally giving Peterson a 'start with marx' chart

I wouldn't say that subtle

It wasn't a bad question. Zizek does differ from Marx quite a lot and criticizes him often.

What was the point of this?

an excerpt of zizeks most popular book off google search of his name of a random start of a chapter i scrolled down to

t b h it reads like some any anonymous comment on this board but published into a book.

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Do you think Peterson is going to get SNIFF'D when we goes back to his hotel room after this?

best part is how different the discussion on Yea Forums is from ultra lefty places who are REALLY upset at Zizek.

im late bros, whos winning

Peterson seems intellectually spent

You mean leftypol and leftpol, right?

>dropping the Hegel pill

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If anything they both just drifted into social democracy, one from capitalism and the other from communism

lol does he have a ghost writer? No way that bumbling slav could write this on his own.

>mfw peterson has never read marx

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Zizek and Peterson becoming buttbros while their fans pretend they're debating

youtu.be/1Q46AoR80M4

peterson is not understanding anything at all

Z

Hegelian dialectic to create Zizekiansim-Petersonism

the left have been extremely mad at Zizek for a couple years now ever since he said something about the 85iq goatfucking honor killers maybe not being the same as progressive Europeans

HE'S DOING IT
DAMN POSTMODERNEOMARXIST

He made important point that capitalism doesnt really need freedom to succeed (China, or Singapore in his other texts)

that's gay

Look at Peterson, intellectually exhausted by lacan and Hegel analysis from zizek

cheap move by zizek lol this is gay

It's hard for him to say anything because Zizek isn't the type of postmodern cultural marxist he rants about

>who is the marxist here?????!!!

BTFO

>WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

FUCKING FINALLY ZIZEK IS THROWING DOWN

Lmaooo Zizek dont do it to him

zizek is the one who mounts the world

RIGHT INTO THE HEART OF JORDAN'S PREVERBAL DRAGON

Betason got exposed as a buckold and is now showing his belly like a dog that just got dominated.

It's over, he's over.

HERE IT FUCKING GOES BOYS

THIS IS A FUCKING SLAUGHTER HOLY SHIT

>you are an idiot and you don't know what you're talking about
>read more
based slavoj

Jesus, Peterson looks like he wants to cry right now

Le cocaine communist does it again

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HURT MYSELF TODAY

LMAO THIS WHOLE BLABBERING FOR 2 HOURS WAS A SETUP FOR THE SUCKER PUNCH

All of a sudden there's a debate. What happened?

brainlet assumption by zizek to pretend that post modern neomarxism isn't a fruit grown from a branch on the tree of marxism

HAHAHAHAHAHA

zizek is doing everything
the funny part is that this is what he said he wouldnt do in that interview.

4d chess

DAYUMMMM

>VARUS, GIVE ME BACK MY MARXISTS

finally zizek is ending this pseud's career

lobster cornered hahahaha

Kermit is about to cry

Peterson is so fucking beta, holy shit. He has less energy than a fuckign 70 yo man

Slam Dunk!

im watching the debate via twitch where two guys are playing half life death match while watching, wont pay those 15 euros

LOL Zizek is owning the debate, holy shit

Peterson is practically stuck at
>hey, erm, aren't you going to defend the marxist/communist caricature now so that I can attack you?

holy shit

>Zizek bringing out the Fisherian ideas

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thank you

this on some valentines day massacre shit

Goddammit I'm unironically cringing.

holy shit, peterson on suicide watch

holy fucking shitballs he actually said it

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

>just because they describe themselves as marxists doesn't meant they're REAL marxists

amazing argument

Zizek just completely fucking destroyed Peterson.

Peterson BTFOOO

Oh god that happened right after Peterson was like you're so cool oh my goodness let's be friends

you can't name them because marxism and postmodernism are merely masks that the jew wears as are all other destructive ideologies

juden peterstein is the greatest gatekeeper of the jewish question so he will never be able to answer zizek's question because the only answer is jews

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youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4

fucking lol theyre both getting mad now

talking over each other

This whole debate was worth it just for this

Zizek rope a doped him holy fuck

Lol wut. He answered that question easily.

AHHHHHHHHH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOOOOOOO JORDANNN AHHHHHHH PLEASE

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zizek just straight up insulted peterson to his face lmao

I feel kind of bad for Peterson. His question was basically "you are so smart so why not create Zizekism?" and Zizek's question was basically "why are you so stupid?"

>name 11 marxists and 6 kinos where this happens
peterson knows he doesn't have to respond to shitposts, right?

>just name one of them

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>Zizek: who are you quoting?
>Peterson: uhhh

bros...I thought peterson would win this
it wasn't supusto be like this

>about 25% of profs, here are the stats
>no name dem!
wow really intellectual debate here

>calls everyone neo-marxist
>hasn't read marx since he was 18
>only reads the communist manifesto

Honestly the only things ruining this debate are the audience/litfags acting like this is a football match rather than a conversation.

Peterson is getting so humiliated I needed to mute the stream

Mommy, why did Zizek have to kill the lobsterman?

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search "muke," for up to date stream

OH NO NO NO

I'm actually cracking up over here, how the hell a geriatric obese pervert managed to convince a Jungian boomer the benefits of Marxism is pure comedy gold

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holy shit thank you

>moral superiority of the proletariat
MARX NEVER SAID THIS. MARX DID NOT BELIEVE IN OBJECTIVE MORALITY.

I've never seen Peterson subdued wtf

Oh my god zizek is going to pull his punches isnt he?

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

>name ONE book that does this

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what did zizek say?

Peterson's 'pomos are smuggling marxism into their supposed rejection of overarching narratives' is 100% true and Im surprised he would even be aware of that because it's reactionary territory

WHERE ARE MARXISTS PUNK

CRINGE

It's so fucking weird, "Zizek is one of us!!!" in-between being upset about Zizek mentioning LGBTQ propaganda.

WHERE ARE THEY PETERSON????????? HMMM???????? WHERE ARE THEY????????

ARE YOU AWARE

he asked jordan about penis higiene

I'm not able to watch it right now, what did Zizek do to get this reaction?

no need

NAME ONE MARXIST THAT IS A PART OF THIS POST MODERNIST NEO MARXIST WHATEVER

HOW DO I HIDE THIS THREAD?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>Peterson's 'pomos are smuggling marxism into their supposed rejection of overarching narratives' is 100% true
[citation needed]

Well that’s obviously not true commie piece of shit

what the fuck

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This was actually a great point by Peterson and Zizek actually had no response.

WHERE ARE THEY

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Jordan's bout to have a seizure

Did Peterson just pull a "I bet you're fun at parties"? What a fag

honestly he just asked Peterson who exactly he's referring to when he says "postmodern neomarxist" and Peterson said its less an individual so much as an ideology that he's against

everyone's losing their shit because it was literally the only punch thrown in the almost two hour "debate"

attacked the whole postmodern neomarxism thing

slersh slersh slersh

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

Is David Harvey worth reading? Zizek just name-dropped him.

Eric Clanton, the Bike Lock fugitive

Did Peterson just spaz out literally

Fuck this shit. I can't watch it live cause got an exam in 30minutes

He didnt deal the killing blow that coward

I don't understand why everyone is saying this is an epic win when half my profs are into foucault as well as marx, they get smuggled together even when they shouldn't be and that's the problem. Peterson is too ignorant to look into it, Zizek is a vulgar pleb who can't see that and is trying to epicly win on trivial points after grandstanding about muh this is not a contest

>"Zizek you're so smart and attractive"
>Zizek immediately calls him an idiot and demands he name the Marxists he's attacking
THE VIRGIN PETERSTEIN FEARS THE CHAD ZIZEK
this requires you to at least have read Derrida, Baudrillard, etc. to understand what is meant by signifier

Jete has a computer and Zizek only has notes
wtf

>HEEDONISM
this fucking orater fuck off

Yes

The only academic in the past 50 years who has actually come out and said 'Academia itself has its own set of oppressive power structures that dictate opinions' is Foucault and he got in shit for it. And he didn't even actually say what they were- (race and gender politics primarily, but other stuff recently as well)

>ITS NO WONDER YOU DONT GET INVITED TO PLACES

I guess now the cracks in Peterson's education are showing. He hasn't engaged with any sort of academic literature, and Zizek is exasperated because he doesn't want to flex (name drop), but still can't understand what Peterson is getting at.

yeah, that can be taked as a compliment desu

What happened I'm late to the party

he's playing with his prey

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I saw Zizek at a grocery store in Toronto yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now Jordan?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “Where are the marxists? WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS? *slurp* *sniff* WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

90% of the people making these succinct little cuck posts about Peterson being this or that or an idiot haven't been to university.

They're just larping as educated men.

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its not like you need to google shit while preparing

homoeroticism. i wish i was kidding.

lol I'm making t shirts

Peterson managed to make Zizek look like a chad

>go to Peterson Reddit
>They're saying zizek is hard to understand

Lmfao damage control already

Isn't Peterson into Nietzsche? Zizek should have mentioned that Foucault was influenced by Nietzsche.

>judeo christian

juden peterstein comes forth

Peterson will have a hard time explaining this performance to his wife's son later today

kek

>Three white men on stage

Not watching

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>haven't been to university.
literally everybody goes to university now. Retarded 80iq thots go to university

zizek IS a chad and always has been

otherwise explain this for me

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People just spam memes and "epic btfo" garbage, as always. Yea Forums is just your average people after all

Two pseuds realize they can't actually debate with each other because they agree in 99% of things.

Tbh zizek has 20 years, life in communist Yugoslavia, 2 PhD on Peterson

>I expected a debate and instead got recycled lectures.
lol that's exactly what you should have expected

This is a small taste what Yea Forums felt like circa 2015-16

>YOU PROMISED ME MARXISTS, PETERSON, YOU PROMISED ME MARXISTS

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He disowns the conservatives explicitly. This is the great unwinding

holy kek

But Peterson can speak English.

because the postmodern philosophers are almost always criticising modernity, not supporting it, and they almost all (Foucault included) are explicitly opposed to this identity politics bullshit.

sounds about right. somehow in modern times, some bizarro eastern euro accent give you authority. truth is, i can barely understand half the shit he is saying - his fucking accent - and i have no big trouble understanding my indian coworkers accents wtf

And yet here we are with half the thread screeching that Peterson is a liar and a moron.

His observations regarding the manner in which Marxism is surviving and thriving, under the radar through postmodernist philosophy, is accurate.

Is there any difference between Peterson and the most pedestrian type of self help? I'm asking seriously.

based reddit spy

zizek has the worst slur/lisp hybrid i have ever heard

Peterson is basically a socialist-lite, don't know why people think he is some sort of capitalist thinker.

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so, now that jordan has become the marxists he claims to hate, when will he join a hippie commune?

?

You mean like you are ?

so essentially 1930 all over again

Peterson's is based on actual research.

Doesn't mean it's right, but at least it's not just some randumb spouting off.

Peterson has some extra things thrown in there about how Marxism and being trans are bad and Christianity is good

I thought the problem would be that Zizek would be too amicable, instead I have Peterson talking like a wounded dog. This is more sad than cathartic really. Nobody really did win this debate did we?

>They're actually agreeing about Christianity now
Jesus fucking Christ.

then name a postmodern neomarxist lmao

But Marxism is nothing more than a critique of capitalism therefore he HAS defended Marxism by using it to effectively critique capitalism.

he just kind of ran along with it to please his fans and take more money from them

falling in love is a catastrophe!

>t-that's why cupid has arrows..heh..
>*sniffles* what? *sniff* yeah, anyway..

lmao Peterson absolutely reduced to top tier bull prepper

are they drinking heineken?

I wonder how long it will take for "Cultural Marxist" to be considered antisemitic?

i love this interview so much, the guy who never did his job

he's straight up insulting him

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS?

>Peterson's is based on actual research.

Peterson's is based on 19th zoology lmaooooooooo

Why is this thread full of cringy leftists?

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peterson has always been closer to zizek than ben shapiro, I don't know why he was ever looped into the right in the first place but hopefully this helps to break him away from that

And we should believe you because...

>zizek talks
[rapturous applause]

FAIR
AND
BALANCED

Peterson draws from a deep and lucid comprehension of the jungian methodological approach to psychoanalysis. Something that is as difficult to teach as it is to understand for oneself.

This gives Peterson a very unique tool set when approaching problems in his areas of speciality.

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not really if you are the average jbp fan. he speaks with authority of psychology (not psychoanalysis obviously mind you), but anyone who i have ever met that loves jbp is a deeply depressed person and he helped them out with their lives

i dont find these people pathetic, and this made me sympathize with peteron a bit more

unironically based

Zizek completely controls the conversation, he's like a teacher giving a private lesson to a promising 20 year old student.

you all fuckers only want JBP/ZIZ BTFO compilations. fuck off

I didn't say otherwise, but Peterson noticed something that absolutely exists, and that is academics who are part marx, part postmodern, part identity politics, etc. It's sophism to say otherwise. Look at Nietzsche, if you want an odd analogy. Some of his biggest fans are leftists. It would be dishonest to say "Durr Nietzsche was the opposite of the left, so these people don't exist"

>literally everybody goes to university now
Barely 50% in most Western countries

>"judeo" christian
>capitalist
Pick one and only one. All this christian larping is ridiculous.

back to your safe space, faggo!

Zizek is absolutely disgusting, I cant bare to listen to him for 5 seconds with all that phlegm and nose touching

God is an atheist

I honestly think zizek will be read in 100 years with confusion

Based Zizek likes G. K. Chesterton.

He's written a self-help book. That ought to help you answer your question.

kill yourself

its a scene from bioshock

first 40 minutes
>Peterson says "I couldn't read all (any) of your work" and attacks the communist manifesto at face value
>audience literally laughts and Peterson gets nervous
>btfo himself
Next 40 minutes
>Zizeks bashes lefties he doesn't like and
>gets a bit confusing
>says there's no solution to enviromental Chrises but surely market can't solve it
>is nice to Peterson to not make him look completely stuid
Next 10 minutes
>Peterson pulls a Pinker in defense of capitalism
Next 15 minutes
>Zizek pulls jokes, the audience loves him
Next 5 minutes
>Peterson says Zizek is smart and well read
>Zizek subveredly calls Peterson an idiot
>Zizek asks Peterson who are those Marxists in "Postmostern neo-marxists"
>Peterson seems to have not read anything past his 3 authors.

Brutal.

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>GOD WAS AN ATHEIST ON THE CROSS
self-plagiarism from Zizek here

They get BTFO on /pol/ all the time so they come hide here despite Yea Forums being even more right wing

>YOURSELF

It's over

HOLY SHIT

based justin posting

>we live in a society

he's gone full sniff

Hiearchies emerge based on competency no?

muh socioeconomic factors

>>/reddit/

jesus

zizek doesnt respect peterson at all

>zizek flailing around like a man having spastic fits
YSSHHR SHHEPERATION FROM SHSHHH GOD IS DIVINITY IN ITSSHHHSHSHSHSHSHSELF

He's making my head hurt

Whoa, Zizek just asked the first good question in this debate

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>so on and so on
>*rubs nose*
>*snif*

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Why are leftists so disgustingly smug and arrogant?

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Are you aware of what 50% of the population entails in terms of cognitive abilties? Universities were first created and maintained by the literal elite of society

Zizek won. He set the terms of the debate and questioned the foundations Peterson's criticism.

Basically this

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peterson BTFO for all eternity

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>can a NK'n put his house in order so easily?
Peterson btfo

Why did they do a debate one guy has a cold and is slobbering everywhere? Could have waited a week so we can actually understand him

>Barely 50% in most Western countries
exactly

already is, apparently its a right wing conspiracy theory and has been for several years.
I wish it was zoology, more like alchemy.
filthy, dumb, newfag scum

I don't really understand the question; it's not a self identification, it's a label of identification via assessment. The label is independent of the self assessment of the identified party.

It's like calling someone a retard.

Few people earnestly self identify as retards. But does that mean they aren't retards, or the label doesn't exist?

Think before you post, retard. The big brains are thinking.

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*snifffffff*
YOURSHELF

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He does this with literally everyone

I don't watch debates, but does the audience usually clap and cheer every time they make an argument?

not a leftist desu, im just in it for the memes

Zizek is controlling everything on that stage, Peterson is just there to suffer, the moderator was already dead 2 minutes into Zizek's first overtime.

What the fuck is with the trannies spamming the YT stream chat?

can't really blame him

please just let us have this

petersonposting has plauged this board for like 3 years now. zizek has for longer but his threads are just obscurantism and die immediately

The absolute state of peterstein-fags

you're deluded if you don't think he's having fun with his new bro. in literally two hours they've disagreed maybe three times. in a debate.

zizek is going in for the kill. now the real show starts

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BTFO

Peterson's on his home turf. If anything he should have the upper hand

What was it

Tea or coffee?
YES PLEASE

Peterson clearly refers to people living in the free and open west, you leftist moron.

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he still hasn't named one though

Why would he. This ought to be an academic debate, yet Peterson is a mediocre academic. He deserves no respect.

this picture is dishonest and this person is scum
so, well composed, I guess

who are the fucking retards on the crowd wooing at the arguments, i would die of cringe if i was next to that kind of retard in an auditorium

>nobody here has been to university
>not everyone here believes what I believe
>see? Im right

What are you even doing?

It's endearing. Everyone is equal.

That whole line of questioning was murdering Peterson thoroughly.

cope

>already is
I'm not surprised, they are trying to make "globalist" antisemitic

THERE IT IS. "Thats life" that was it
the killing blow. Ohh nooooo this has no transgressed entertainment into the realm of tragedy.

This. Marx was memed endlessly in academia, along with Freud and Nietzsche. It's not quite a socalist interpretation like Marx intended, but it's still ubiquitous.

THAT'S LIFE

No he's obviously specifically referring to North Koreans

yes

>this is where things get complicated *sigh* ahem.......... i wanna use things to address... ahum the things you mentioned....ahum........

see Zizek is an idiot, he claims so himself. He doesn't understand the basic niceties of conversation

CAPITALISM OR MARXISM

YES PLEASE

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M A P S
O
F
M E A N I N G

>But does that mean they aren't retards, or the label doesn't exist?
yes, they aren't really retards and because there's no way to assign the label to it doesn't really exist

there has to be a valid answer to the question. who are the postmodern neomarxists? if there are none, then it's a literal spook

This is straight up bullying.

What Chesterton book did Zizek cite?

Yes, but he won't address an obvious link, so we can't progress past that point, can we?
Everyone knows postmodernism was directly inspired by Nietzsche, at least in part, and everyone knows both Marxists and postmodernists have a disgust for capitalism.
But Jordan B. "Yourself" Peterson attacks these policies which are anti-white, anti-male, etc. but is unable to give specifics, while still agreeing that Zizek is right when he points out Marxists do not support this.
How weird.

Zizek is a professional shitstirer, thats how he comes up with arguments in the first place desu

that's not true at all. Zizek thinly-veiled jabs are always covered in a "naive question" or "total agreement", but in reality he's called him an idiot several times already. Honestly, Peterson is taking this quite well and does not seem to take insult

Have either of them named the Jew yet?

>muh psychology
literally pseudoscience.

ahahah look at zizeks face, hes DISGUSTED

Not really but unfortunately Zizek and JP have absolutely awful fanbases. They think it's a brawl when in reality it's merely a conversation.

holy shit lobsters damaging control now focusing on manners

Even worse. You just hate Peterson because he is popular and you have you personality beyond le ebin 4cin contrarianism. Pure cancer.

Most Peterson threads were made by his detractors. I'll admit that I started browsing Yea Forums because Peterson got me into Jung, but I never spammed him on the board and instead tried to broaden my horizons. Just admit that you are some sort of leftist with an ax to grind against this guy and his agenda.

Orthodoxy I think

the other day I saw a video of chomsky defending AOC's green new deal. Are all commies mentally ill?

How long is this shit?

Peterson the psychologist cannot compete with continental psychoanalyst. Zizek has read too fucking much.

>my house is messy because I live in a society
is zizek a retard or merely pretending to wind peterson up?

Orthodoxy

Y O U C A N H E L P M E I F I S T R A Y.
Peterson has accepted Zizek as daddy.

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>life is intrinsically pessimistic
what the fuck is this shit show

How long has been the debate and should I wait until it ends and see it tomorrow?

>Humanity is okay but most people are boring idiots

It's stupid. I blame North Americlaps.

/pol/ here
zizek absolutely dismantling peterstein on his own turf
amazing

>you asked three questions instead of one
>that's life
if that's your idea of a BTFO you may as well be WOOing in the audience

quit accusing me of not being a Christian

Orthodoxy.

no, but those two definitely are

>Can you set your house in order if society's rules/setup are stopping you from doing so?
Peterson, to my mind, basically assumes that everyone is a high-agency, self-motivated person. 80% of people just want a dignified place in the social-economic order, and won't be able to if society's setup selects against that. Peterson's view just seems really Whig and hyper-Protestant to me

numerous subtle allusions to Weininger

i just tuned in

they sound like they're about to make out

This is simply
Continental vs North American academics

Skip the first 30 minutes, it will give you brain cancer, not even kidding.

>this is supposed to be about happiness

Yeah, didn't hear it well. Thanks

I'm not a christian either, faggot. But even worse, you're a tripfag. Go sign up to a forum and never return to this place.

It feels like JP is doubting himself

>tfw you have to listen to a canadian retard

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Life isn't just suffering Peterson ffs.

"debates" are not about ideas anymore, they're about getting content for "x DESTROYS y with FACTS and LOGIC" and "cringe compilation" videos.

You should entirely skip the opening statements and focus on the rest. I'm serious. Peterson said nothing for 30 minutes, Z rambled his greatest hits for 35 minutes. It was useless.

>starts shilling his book
lmao

Nah man, he respects him, that's why he makes fun of him. It's like we curse and love and each other here, dipshit.

Underage detected.

>Peterson, to my mind, basically assumes that everyone is a high-agency, self-motivated person
I don't think he assumes that so much as that he believes that striving to be that is the best option, even for people who aren't.

>this turned out to be about our schadenfreude from Peterson getting raped

So basically referring to intelligent white people and not dumb blacks and women

Jungian Vs Lacanian-Hegelian

For him it is

how can a canadian sound more retarded than a fat sniffing slovenian with a lisp

>mfw Peterson becomes a born again Zizekian

Wtf are you talking about

i've only read Zizek. Sorry you don't know anything about him

it is tho

He's talking about cleaning houses again

Makes sense Chesterton loathed capitalism so much more than socialism.

I don't hate Peterson desu, didnt mean to offend anyone i was just taking the piss

>but is unable to give specifics, w
Well, he said a quarter of profs fit his description to which Zizek simply repeated his sophism. But yes, Peterson should know the concrete facts of the matter. I honestly just hate both of them after seeing this. because Zizek is full of shit for implying otherwise especially as an academic.

You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

Aight peterson is coming back

Zizek says the same thing himself often

that's disrespectul to north american academics

No, it's not like calling someone a retard, because when you call someone a retard you are explicitly naming them in order to call them a retard.
Or, you are calling a group of people retards, or saying there are retards among them. In which case you should be able to name one individual you consider a retard, regardless of their self-identification.
You must be able to give at least one name if they exist.

not really, the crowd making it that way is kind of sad really. but you can see that those two would have an honest organized conversation that would be much better if it would be set up at a studio without retarded crowds

Doesn't matter, many Peterson fans are 5th avenue fanatics, and he'll be making the rounds this week on damage control, saying he was thrown off, zizek was obtuse, or whatever.

AND-

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based Justin murphy should have been in the debate

I think he's realising his fame was built upon his responses to a strawman. I'm not even kidding, it seems he actually respects what Zizek is saying as feels insecure because he was arguing against his own mind, not against third party ideas.

Stop being such a brainlet.

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>let me point out the 3 things you addressed
>addresses none and goes into making similarities with his psychiatry work and how it relates to capitalism making people happy

nope.jpg
kek
that just comes from buddhist horsehit tho
i'm not in either of these camps

OH NO NO NO

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look at that body language
Zizek is relaxed, slouched, unconcerned with his opponent
peterson is erect, at attention, stuttering, as if he was just dropped into the lion's den and he forgot his gun

Why doesn't the larger academic simply eat the smaller one

The white working class in the midwest US and northern england overdosing on opiods don't need to 'get their house in order' - they've been systematically betrayed by a governing elite that has crafted a socioeconomic system that has failed them.

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response?

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>talking about women as if they were some second party

This moderator doesn't understand the Stalin jokes

what if society was encouraging people to have messy rooms. What then???

Peterson is going to say it was an interesting conversation, but then will say Zizek isn't a "real Marxist"

>both left and right watch the show
Peterson deliberately lose himeself because else lefts would not watch it. He became a straw man for pay.

>all the brainlets in this thread thinks that it's Zizek vs Peterson
>in reality it's more like Zizek and Peterson have more in common than anyone thinks and that Zizek is a step ahead of Peterson in some areas
>Peterson fails to address how one person can change anything if they're too oppressed

FELIX COOLPA

A postmodern neo-marxists is an ideologue of the postmodern philosophy of though, who also holds true to the ideological presuppositions of Marxism .

I'm having a really hard time understand g why you brainlet posters don't understand something so simple.

unironically this

It's a doggy dog world.

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He really feels candid in his self-doubt, as well. If it is not just a rhetorical trick, why hasn't he realized it earlier? Surely, someone must have told him? Maybe the high from being famous and a guru made him lose sight of that which he was actually interested in to begin with

BASED

No I'm pretty sure they should stop taking opioids like fucking retards

Peterson is trying, Zizek, as usual, just rambles off shallow talking points.

They should do a stream debate from their own homes like this.

I think a reading of Hegel will do good for peterson

It's clear that Zizek is a philosopher and Pidorson is a psychologist who wrote a self-help book.

here come the toilets

Zizek is Peterson translated into the politico-philosophical domain.

Peterson is still stuck in applied psychology.

I d e o l o g y

Unironically IQ to low

ZIZEK IS TALKING ABOUT TOILETS AGAIN

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Zizek has been doing this same act since the 90s. I love him but he never brings too many new things to the table. I guess not changing your stance isn't a bad thing though

>maps of meaning is a self help book
Okay, retard.

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?

link to the reddit?

>It's clear that Zizek is a philosopher
yeah, a bad one

he's literally talking about toilets.

zizek's clown public persona is different from zizek the academic. he does this on purpose, probably.

Yeah, this sadly. Just like how he says everyone who is moral is actually secretly christian.

Your worth in any system is determined by the optimal outcome of your potential being exercised; the system itself can only hinder, never help, if it does not account for the potential for change and moral emepricism.

What is the ideology of taking a shit?

>memerson talks about cleaning your room
>sheesheck makes toilet jokes
this is what i wanted two hours ago

what did the post modern Marxist mean by this?

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this
zizek is socdomming every single opponent in debates by doing this

To be fair Peterson did more than just say professors exist who are some combination of those three things. He has a whole elaborate theory on them.

Zizek surprisingly looks neater than Mr Set your house in order

holy shit this post kek

Why do people thinks peterson is gonna defeat Zizek at his home turf area of expertise?

>oh wow, I'm a psychologist, I'm sure gonna beat a marxist on marxism

wow.

they don't call him a great debaiter for nothing

Jordan Peterson is cancelled. No refunds will be issued.

When I call you a postmodernist neomarcist I am doing so in order to communicate your properties to myself and others. Retard.

dude can zizek chill? hes actually making this shit LETHAL... I feel bad

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>so... So... How...

ideology

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>millions of people in similar circumstances just so happen to make an enormously self-destructive choice

Most people are not smart or independent thinkers. Blaming them for making bad choices when they have few avenues to achieve a dignified existence in today's society is inhumane. Read Carlyle (if you haven't already)

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Peterson looks so damn tired.

the original joke talks about anglo and french toilets too:

>In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which shit disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that shit is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. shit is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the shit floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. [...] It is clear that none of these versions can be accounted for in purely utilitarian terms: each involves a certain ideological perception of how the subject should relate to excrement. Hegel was among the first to see in the geographical triad of Germany, France and England an expression of three different existential attitudes: reflective thoroughness (German), revolutionary hastiness (French), utilitarian pragmatism (English).

inb4 stirner

NO
NOOOO I WANT MY PETERSONCOIN REFUNDED

why the fuck did happiness come up, shouldn't have been attached now they can just talk shit.

FFS I wanted zizek to tell his full toilet joke

NA academics are subhumans

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>when you get btfo by a toilet metaphore

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THEN NAME ONE SINGLE PERSON YOU CONSIDER A POSTMODERN NEOMARXIST YOU FUCKING IDIOT

I think peterson's chances of winning just got flushed down the toilet.

it's the topic of the talk

literal fatality

Jordan is getting absolutely cucked by this point

Alexander solzhenitsyn literally brought the Soviet union to its knees from inside a gulag nigga

He couldn't even name a single one of those supposed ~postmodern neo-marxist~ and got blatantly called out for it, just stop retard.

the funny thing is zizek has studied psychoanalysis his whole life, so it's not like peterson has an advantage on the field of psychology (in fact, jungians tend to be perceived as imbeciles by other psychoanalysts)

Yeah I'll take lessons on good life decisions and self ownership from an anime poster

There are like 3 videos of him telling that joke on youtube

how did he destroy the premise?

>zizek approaches the problem of modernity from the social level
>peterson approaches it from the personal level
>each reflects their own background and expertise
>each complement the other
besides peterson's embarrassment in first wading into marxist theory this is actually pretty comfy

I actually think Peterson is saying some decent stuff now. The start and his first reply were a fucking disaster though,

>I WANT TO SOLICIT A JOKE
based zizek

He's definitely prepping a lot of bulls

So... so... uh...

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Dr. Zizek Is my new best friend

i left after reading 3 comments, that place is forsaken by god

This. As far as rhetoric goes, Zizek is absolutely beating out Peterson, and Peterson absolutely is less in control of the conversation because of it.

>tell a joke

Trying to hint at him to lighten up

People usually clap when they hear points they agree with. They may clap and cheer if they really agree.

this

Late to the party, anyone got the stream link ?

>reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/bf5xcb/jordan_peterson_vs_slavoj_žižek_live_debate/
>go to the users profile
>it's a crossposer from chapo trap house

Why are leftists so dishonest? Smug ignorant pricks.

Yawn

n word or all meat diet for bingo

>where are the marxists?

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youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be [Embed]

so the debate is pretty much a 150 IQ PHD psychology professor versus a real intelectual?

what degrees zizek has?

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>Call someone a postmodernist neomarxist because they hold true both pressupositional axioms of the two philosophies as ideologically sound.

>"Uhmm, actually, sweetie, I self identify as not being a marxist, so, you're actually wrong."

Retard.

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>account made 20 minutes ago

because "leftists" as a social group are reactionary

why are you fucking retarded and get baited?

thanks

fuck this audience

>reads Demons once

>active in r/Peterson and r/thedonald

>150 IQ

citation please. And no, I am not taking Peterson's word for that.

Plumber

super comfy. zizek obviously likes peterson and peterson is agreeing with almost everything zizek said. the tribes are keeping score but these two are just enjoying each other's company. i've never seen so many compliments thrown back and forth in a debate

Doctorate in philosophy, doctorate in psychoanalysis

That's dad and me every night at the dinner table.

>like ayn rand
O NONONON NO N O

Zizek is no clown at all, he just has thing for jokes and uses them well, but his points are quite clear.

>what degrees zizek has?
lol

Peterson fanboys everyone.

that's what happens when you live on MACHO MAN diet and wont eat your stupid feminist carrots

JESUS ZIZZY STAHP

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Yeah go wank to your hentai cartoons little bitch

>still fail to name a single example of a postmodern neomarxist despite being asked twice

...

Literally every sociology professor I've ever met? Multiple people I've met in my life and in university?

You're basically just asking for a FAMOUS postmodernist neomarxist.

They're retards, why would they do anything noteworthy? Maybe Stalin at a stretch.

peterson is so fucking boring to listen to. how the fuck does this guy have fans.

the crowd is masturbating so hard

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>poster smells of false flagging
>check him
>turns out I was right
>call it out
>HURRRR DURRR YOU FELL FOR THE BAIT XD

Fuck you.

He is criticizing Rand, you moron.

I'm around 130 and peterson is clearly smarter than me, so he should be at least 140.

nice, how he expected to BTFO a philosopher in a debate?

self-help routine No. #231

Zizek with the classic
>I agree with you
>BUT

a philosophy phd. the thing is "philosophy" is a natural gateway to freud, which jung is derivative of, and lacan, which is zizek's focus. so zizek is not an actual analyst, but he's a theorist of psychoanalysis (or rather, he takes the theory of psychoanalysis into account when he does his own stuff).

I wish they'd just talk about Marxism rather than happiness desu

OH NO NO NO

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Agreed. Peterson is honestly a lot more likeable than normal in this, if only because Zizek is the, in his own way, the better speaker.

anime weebsite, nerd

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>Maybe Stalin at a stretch
holy shit lmao

...

>Ya know who says this greatly?
>Heinrich Himmler of SS

>German officers must do horrible things
what

To defend Marxism all you need to do is point out the shortcomings of capitalism.

>b-but what wtf slavoj

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Fuck off to reddit.

>calling out something obvious

do basically is like a CS PHD faggot trying to outclass a Math PHD on math?

You're a child who refuses to grow up and right now you are defending the joel olsteen of philosophy

>peterson has a different type of water to zizek

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Both have always behaved like that, you idiot.

Not watching it, why zizek mentioned the toilet joke?

What book did Himmler keep in his pocket? I couldn't understand

his points are not that clear when he talks. i mean maybe they're clear in the shallow insight porn sense, but they're lacking in rigorous argumentation, which is actually present in his more relevant books. he also tends to digress like hell and end his train of thought with some false "aha" moment instead of developing an exposition.

Compliments? He called lobster man an idiot to his face.

Not real data. Stop glorifying this hack.

Holy shit, Zizek is actually going on about Jews now

>He is criticizing Rand, you moron.
i think thats what he meant dude

but capitalism has changed while tankies are still in an 1800s mindset

You sound a little mad. Why don't you take it easy? Maybe watch some anime to calm you down?

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of course
he even trotted out the jealous husband

>being interested in what Zizek is saying while trying to ignor how he pronounces the word "book" the way it looks.
>boook

Zizek's point was actually the contrary. That Peterson takes what people say they identify with as true and that they are not marxists precisely because they do not agree or most don't even know what Marx's is about.

Kek, thanks for linking this, this thread is amazing.

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in case you didn't know he was a nazi lol

Shut it down

You use the term "philosopher" as if it's something to be proud of.

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Peterson would be the CS here.

The Bhagavad Gita, sacred text of hinduism

Only anime I watch is Jojo because it's about manly men who uplift each other not little underage girls getting raped

Not at all, you shoukd be able to argue why marxism is better. They both agreed on same problems but zizek never offered an alternative

only intended to produce the chad virgin meme

IQ has little to do with it. This is a matter crystallized intelligence, and Zizek just has a lot, lot more to draw from. Doesn't necessarily make him right, but it makes him incredibly difficult to respond to.

good taste

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you sure about that "bro"

Holy shit, this entire board is filled with left wing children who listen to chapo.

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>be leftist
>make joke post
>rightist gets mad
>rightist invests time into investigating your reddit account
>rightist calls you dishonest

KILLS YOU IN TE COSMIC DANCE OF PHENOMENA

Industrial democracy is the future of the left imo, but it relies accepting the market and free trade so it's dead on arrival.

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Thanks.

I would put peterson in the top 5-2 % world rank in terms of intelligence.

he's clearly smarter than me, and I'm way more smarter than people on 110 range.

yeah, pretty much.

You can't simply win a debate with marxist.
The only way to win a debate with marxists is with a fucking bullet in their heads.

>Only anime I watch is Jojo because it's about manly men
lol sure

Oh my god, the moderator has basically said "maybe the real debate was the friends we made along the way??"

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comfy last words

that would be not fair and low quality

>people should communicate

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>rightist invests time into investigating your reddit account
Literally 4 seconds. What is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head as a child?

the market can't be defeated unless you have 1984 central planning Skynet.

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its not even mine kek

>Industrial democracy is the future of the left imo
The future of the Left is actually in mass graves because the only significant leftists are spurring on the race war

Nobody cares how intelligent Peterson or anyone is. All that matters is what you do with that intelligence.

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>there's a dogma doing around on college campuses that people has nothing unique to say...
>goes into his trademark canned response

Agreed, but not everyone is as clever as we are and some of those people are leftists who won't let go of their COMPETITION BAD MARKET BAD REGULATION GOOD NATIONALISATION GOOD policies.

well, peterson should focus on writing self help books and making videos so incels stop being incels, that's like his purpose in life, not debating marxist on marxism.

I'm really liking this meme.

Heh

Stream died..

That was fun.

wew, he shaked the hand that zizek wipes his nose with

why the fuck did he put his hand on zizek shoulder when he was talking smiling awkwardly did he have a retard moment or something

You should probably branch out a little, it's no fun watching the same type of thing all the time. I recommend "Sewayaki Kitsune No Senko-san", it's very relaxing.

Alternatively you can get the fuck out of 4channel and go back to wherever you came from you spastic. This is an anime website.

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This was comfy.

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kek

read Cockshott

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Moldbug rumored to be in attendance

HAHAHAHAHAH LOBSTER

Important strawpoll

strawpoll.me/17849942

strawpoll.me/17849942

Peterson's silence , holy shit

"im proud of you, sonny boy.
you gave your papa a real fight this time."

I guess this is what happens when Peterson doesn't select the venue and the audience.

IQ doesn't automatically mean less ignorant.

Ah well, I'm biased because I've listened/read so much of him I don't have to be convinced, he may say "toilets, coca cola, going to grandma" and I understand his argument.

they're pretty much irrelevants.

Capitalism won.
Politicians today literally suck the multinationals dick so they put some shitty factory and give him jobs.

Trump has sucked dick to multinationals so they put some factories to old boomers.
Apple and Samsung literally hold more economic power than most nations.

no one rumored to care

in its core, yes

shit was liquid cringe reminds me when I blank out after preparing to say something

>if you are a leftist, you are not obligated to follow the political correctness
do you agree?

Lmfao this debate was better than I expected

Canadian doesn't understand the ex communist Yugoslav

i felt it

retarded wishfull thinking companies will simply gave up on their economic power if we just think of the power of friendship and vote for socialism.

Wait, it's over? I wasn't paying attention, who won?

yes, the dirtbag left is the only way user

so thats it, peterson is finally dead.
press S to spit

The idea is not to defeat it, but to moderate it.

SHIVERS

well, this was a fun friday. Have any plans for the rest of the night?

did the stream just die? wtf

peterson is quite less ignorant than most of the population.

zizek "won" mostly because I spews out a lot of ideas really fast, and people are much less familiar with them than peterson's so they appear fresh and interesting. That's not to say peterson did well in this though.

its 5 in the morning

the streamer

am i a brainlet for not feeling like i got much out of this?

We can all say thanks to Shrek for filming this debate

I genuinely think Peterson was shocked when he started reading zizek

*AHEM*

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the market is already regulated on most western nations retard.

I wish they hadn't done that 30 minute thing in the beginning. The back and forth was much better.

Watch chess lectures.

He literally asked Peterson to start saying more jokes

So what I've gathered from this thread is that marxism is just critique of capitalism but offers no alternatives or solutions, and doesn't need to either?

Doesn't that make everyone a marxist? I doubt anyone thinks capitalism is perfect

Zizek won because his 'opponent' was too stupid to read any of Marx's works and instead his entire exposure to Marxist thought was a short pamphlet about communism made to radicalize random barely literate workers.

That's interesting. My perception as someone who knows some Zizek but never watched much Peterson was that Zizek did a terrible job of actually dismantling Peterson's garbage (which was obvious garbage), and instead retreated to enumerating his endlessly repetitive talking points he always does on every talk. And then they just started conversing about nothing while pretending they were "bouncing off ideas" or some stupid shit. Ironic that Zizek made a statement about anti-PC when you could easily read most of this debate as both of them adhering to the political correctness expected of debaters in this sort of event.

No but dude like, material bases and class conflict and sheeeit

yikes

No. Peterson obviously hasn't seriously engaged with Marx's writing, but Zizek never really responded to his critiques. His only response was to (rightly) say that Marx didn't envision things simply as 'le oppressor vs oppressed'. After that it was just them agreeing that they dislike PC culture

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Marx did offer alternatives but most of his work is criticism of bourgeois society and he didn't really go into extreme detail of what communist socoery would entail.

Not even Reddit is this stupid.

pretty on point user

Identity politics and PC culture are cancers that are killing the left

Where have i heard similar rhetoric before about people that easily bash on conservative figures

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>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

t. Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question

marxism is not about pointing out capitalism is bad. 'critique' here means something different, and what marx really criticised in this sense was political economy, which was the understanding that bourgeois intellectuals had of their own society, not "capitalism". this critique is what leads to the notions of revolution being needed, that this revolution needs to be carried out on class lines by the proletariat, that capitalism itself provides the necessary requirements for its own downfall, etc.

Petersons ideas on Marxism and Postmodernism are hackery and lies. That's the victory. Who the fuck cares about winning a cash grab debate trophy? People laughed and cheered because it's justice when conmen are exposed. His other work, the Jungian and anthropological spirit rambling lectures, fall along the lines you described.

Can someone tell me what the point of this was? What were they even talking about at the end? Zizek could have gone way more into Peterson's lack of knowledge about marx

Marx was a Jew and Marxism is just secular Talmudism

that would not be nice