Name ONE (1):

Name ONE (1):
masterpiece novel written within the 15th century
philosophical masterpiece written within the 15th century
master poet who writes in the 15th century
master short story writer who writes in the 15th century
master playwright who writes in the 15th century
public intellectual within the 15th century

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half of these would be clear if you were more open towards new media

pathetic. consider sucide.

it took people literally centuries to start considering shakespeare anything more than a second rate writer and you want anyone to figure out what literary works written in the last few years are going to be considered transcendental? really fampai?

bump

War ceasing to be a fact of daily life has killed literature

>it took people literally centuries to start considering shakespeare anything more than a second rate writer
no it didn't

war is boring it doesnt mean anything

Literally all of the greatest authors were strongly influenced by war experiences

Yes it did. He was the Tarantino of his time. Plebians went to see his plays for the intrigue and the violence.

Some but not all. Certainly not Dante or Shakespeare, the two GOAT. Maybe meme burger authors no one cares about.

false. support your claim.

mediocre ones maybe. joyce, proust, shakespeare, pessoa, kafka, beckett, etc don't give a shit about war.

A significant portion of In Search of Lost Time was about the influences of war

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Blame the millennium's peace and stability relative to the early 20th century.

Read the reviews of the time. Shakespeare went for theatre because he couldn't sustain himself by only writing poetry. Plebians went to see his plays for entertainment purposes.

I miss Gide. My favorite pederast. I especially recommend Theseus.

not true, provide sources and evidence for your claim.

>2666
>masterpiece

Hollaback is by no means a master poet
no idea who the other guy is
so yea art and culture is dead in the 21st century

Schattenfroh by Michael Lentz
Dream, Death and the Self
John Ashberry (before he died)
none
none
no such thing

2666 is Bolaño's masterpiece.
>Hollaback is by no means a master poet
I mean, when Dante is the GOAT, when the bar is that high, he's not. But he's the greatest poet alive, now that Parra died.
>no idea who the other guy is
Well, that's more like your problem than mine, lad.
>so yea art and culture is dead in the 21st century
Art is dead. Culture isn't, though.

>Culture isn't
You are right on that point, I should have said it is garbage.

I agree.

>give examples
>wait i don't like those examples

In Quartered Safe Out There by Frazier, he wrote that one of his mates said that Shakespeare couldn’t have written Henry the IV without serving in the military.

Cope

give good examples :)

it's a matter of opinion what's good

That’s a myth, he already had the praise of Ben Jonson, who was the chief of English lit in his time. In the next century, Dryden, Milton, Dennis, Addison, etc

It's not peace and stablility, it's bourgeois isolation from conflict

But the First Folio was published after Shakespeare's death... it wasn't really literature until then. Before that was the Bad quarto, spurious versions of some of the plays some retard wrote down and it doesn't really count. He was recognized as literature many years after his death, certainly not while alive.

>he wrote that one of his mates said
Hearsay. Not a credible source.

>masterpiece novel written within the 21st century
my diary desu
>philosophical masterpiece written within the 21st century
my diary desu
>master poet who writes in the 21st century
me
>master short story writer who writes in the 21st century
me
>master playwright who writes in the 21st century
me
>public intellectual within the 21st century
jordan peterson (since I'm not public)

you mean zizek

peterson won m8 sorry

There are many books there which aren't really masterpieces.

Are Robert Frost first poems really masterpieces?

Was Conan Doyle a truly great writer?

Anyway, for the 21st century one could list works by Bolaño, Houellebecq, Coetzee, Saramago, Antonio Lobo Antunes, Marquez, Llosa, Pynchon, DeLillo... I am very ignorant here, because there are many authors I haven't read yet, but I've heard many good things about such names as Joshua Cohen, Esterhazy, Krasznahorkai, Peter Nadas, Javier Marias, Elena Ferrante, Dona Tartt, Knausgard...

Keep in mind that many of the best authors of the century have already published their first books, but we haven't heard their names yet. How many people in 1919 had heard of William Carlos Williams, Gertrud Stein?

Now the point where are really agree with you is in poetry and theater, which really seem to have nearly died in the English language. The new formalists seem to me to have been perhaps the last source of vitality. Maybe I am ignorant, however...

What I can say is that in my country - Brazil - poetry is more alive than it used to be, with many poets now going back to formalist training (inspired by a somewhat average poet, Bruno Tolentino, but with some very promising results so far), or to new explorations in free verse which seem to me to be much more interesting than the stuff vers-librists were doing in the 60's-80's. As for me, I intend to play a part in this 'neoclassical' revival, but without forgetting the many things we have learned from modern and contemporary poets, specially from such authors as Pound, Hart Crane, Geoffrey Hill.

I had meant to quote

Nice example

>your wrong
>so yea art and culture is dead
???

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>Joshua Cohen
You could've said Vollmann, or Enrigue, or Saunders, but Cohen, seriously? Good reply otherwise.

daily reminder

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I've read Cohen being greatly praised by Harold Bloom, which is why I mentioned him.

As I said, I haven't read him. I am not well-acquainted with contemporary lit.

Haven't read him, but he was praised by Bloom.

Bloom is senile, dude. He could praise John Green tomorrow.

top kek
>9/11
>afghanistan
>iraq
>syria
>libya
>isis terror attacks in europe
>shootings in us
The public consciousness of the millennium is rife with violence and instability, but is not endowed with any overarching culture to process it into works of art.

There were mass scale wars during this period of the last two centuries

>Q: HOW DO YOU MANAGE WITHOUT THE INTERNET?
>A: It seems to work. I am pretty much cut off from the majority of the 21st century, but not much escapes me. You hear about everything, because you’re talking to people, you’re absorbing a lot of this information as if by osmosis, just through the pores of your skin. I have said that by embracing the internet in the way that it has done, which was kind of inevitable, society has embarked on a massive experiment without having any idea of the various ways in which those technologies will impact upon us socially, politically and psychologically. So I so think if there’s this huge experiment going on, it’s best that I remain outside the petri dish, as a kind of control, so that we’ll be able to see how badly the rest of you have mutated, by comparing you with me as a kind of baseline.
>>>interview with Alan Moore

>masterpiece novel written within the 21st century
Angel beats.
>philosophical masterpiece written within the 21st century
Nisemonogatari.
>master short story writer who writes in the 21st century
Makoto Shinkai.
>master playwright who writes in the 21st century
Urobuchi Gen.

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Dude, we have WW3 all over the place. Do you even daily life?

cringe

>complete and utter denigration of literary culture and classical education as elitist
>destruction of any and all leisure outwith allocated post-work prolefeed telly time
>culture of oppressive self-awareness, recursive irony
>mfa cultists blasting anything interesting as "purple prose"
>maximalist cultists artificially inflating the worst Pynchon rip-offs as "labyrinthine, bravely experimental, rich in incident" and so on and so on
>pornography redirects youthful sexual frustration from passionate activity (sublimating sexual urges into art, studies etc.) into opening twenty different tabs of cummies and beating your cock raw or wearing thigh highs and taking drugs that give you bpd
Wow I can't understand why so many more masterpieces were produced from 1900 to 1919 than from 2000 to 2019, modern life just seems *so* conducive to producing great art

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Unironically agreed

I blame the rise of other media. Nowadays literature has to compete with audiovisual production, thus there are fewer writers and readers.

>we dun kill ppl no more
>no more fun

I don't think God wants this from us. :3 Lets be something more!

Jackie Chan

Name ONE(1):
masterpiece novel written within the 21st century by someone born in the 21st century

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>masterpiece novel written within the 15th century
Morte d'Arthur
>philosophical masterpiece written within the 15th century
Anything by Nicholas of Cusa
>master poet who writes in the 15th century
François Villon
>master short story writer who writes in the 15th century
Don't know that one.
>master playwright who writes in the 15th century
Peter van Diest
>public intellectual within the 15th century
Leon Albert, or any other big renaissance humanist. Have you ever heard about them?

>Dante
>not marked by war
Bait but I fell for it.

Cohen is better than DFW

>Anything by Nicholas of Cusa
>Peter van Diest
>Leon Alberti
as it happens I disagree on these three but what's interesting:
none of your answers were around by 1419 (Le Morte d'Arthur 1485, Villon born 1431 etc etc)

we know homer wasn't interested in war

my diary desu

>masterpiece novel written within the 21st century
A Girl Is A Half Formed Thing by Eimear McBride
>philosophical masterpiece written within the 21st century
Philosophy peaked with Spinoza so
>master poet who writes in the 21st century
Malachi Black's "Storm Toward Morning" is stunning
>master short story writer who writes in the 21st century
Etgar Keret
>master playwright who writes in the 21st century
Sarah Kane
>public intellectual within the 21st century
All public intellectuals are vain and insecure hacks and they always have been

>Philosophy peaked with Spinoza so
well didn't playwrights peak with shakespeare, and novels peak with don quixote

Novels actually peaked with Laurence Sterne

Better than a faggot like you as a source.

War and Peace came after, though.

I'm honestly not trying to sound contrarian but that's not even Tolstoy's best work, let alone the pinnacle of the novel as a literary form.

are you joking?

Ulysses, then.

He was centuries ahead of his time.

Cervantes did it first.

i'm pretty sure he was exactly of his time. didn't you read fielding?

Is this Austerlitz by WG Sebald? I was reccomended it by a kindly local bookstore clerk and havent gotten around to reading it because im a pretentious snob and it looked lame.

Who's that faggot on the right? Bet he never smoked pod.

WHEW best post I've seen in the whole of my time on this chinky proto-agriculturalism-theorist's forum

it's because of the homogenization of culture caused by late capital and anyone who denies this is either retarded or in denial. the internet in particular has accelerated this process to a breakneck pace. now art is certainly still being produced, but you'll never see it because the curation and distribution systems that existed previously have been completely destroyed by information technology. we can contrast this with music, a medium that has blossomed as threes guys playing in their parent's living room can reach a global audience through soundcloud or whatever. there is no such analog for literature, the best you can find are shitholes like this place and that's not saying much. this is primarily an issue of scale, almost every single person in the world will listen to music so there will naturally be a large population that will seek out "good" music and find those obscure soundcloud artists. the population that reads books, let alone poetry or fucking plays, is comparatively small so the population that wants "good" lit is miniscule. it's too small to build a sustainable online distribution platform for new works.

you guys need to accept that literature is dead as a medium and will continue to be baring drastic changes in society.

my diary desu to all of those