Is this the Chomsky vs Foucault of the 21st century?

did zizek go yet?

Peterson first
He's doing fine

no

He seems nervous, or perhaps that’s just the way he normally speaks.

>he already dropped "human nature"

he started right off the bat with excuses

philosophy is dead
the public intellectual is dead
art is dead
anime is dead
can't believe a clown like peterson is taken seriously by anyone. the 21st century is garbage.

>10 minutes in and Peterson is literally beating a dead horse
This is already over. He should've actually read Zizek

I really want to skip Peterson and listen papa Zizek give his talk already.

Even if you're not an essentialist, you have to admit that humans have an inherent nature

I forgot that Memerson is very boring to listen to

Oh god. It’s clear that Peterson has never read Marx. He’s way out of his element

He read the communist manifesto, commiefag.

Define human nature

zizek is fucking scary. i didnt realize how nervous i would be for peterson and im not even a fan of the dumb old lobster. like im actually shaking for peterson

EVERY SINGLE FORM OF SUFFERING I EXPERIENCE IS BECAUSE I AM A POORFAG

I CAN'T GET A GF BECAUSE I LIVE WITH MY PARENTS AND CAN'T AFFORD FOOD OR A GYM MEMBERSHIP

FUCK OFF PETERSON

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>the people that laugh
It was Dasha and Anna, wasn't it?

He's honestly way more of a pseud than I thought. Not memeing. I would figure he would at least familiarize himself before starting this.

peterson is obviously nervous or something. im not a fan but dont really hate him and have watched many videos of his lectures and talks. he's fumbling.

also what he's saying is kind of bullshit. zizek is going to rip him on this. or he would if this was a debate. its clear peterson hasnt read capital at all, only the communist manifesto.

those audience members are subhuman though. this isnt the space to laugh at someone else speaking.

Bunch of behavioral tendencies distributed on bell curves in the population. Humans are a lot like chimpanzees with some added on stuff

>503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
I CANT ACCESS
I PAID 15 FUCKING SHEKELS WHAT THE FUCK PETERFAG

zizek is going to BTFO this fag within three sentences

yeah.. this is actually embarassing. how will zizek even respond to this

Yeah, das kapital is more comprehensive. You can’t understabd Marxism by just reading the manifesto.

Peterson making some good points, but his chain of thought doesn't seem very directed.
I think he's nervous

Just because you can only approximate a definition doesn't discredit the entire notion

the communist manifesto is like 80 pages long and was meant as a brochure brainlet. capital is what he should have read to speak about marxism and capital is three volumes 800 pages each

>peterson is obviously nervous or something.
It really humanizes him for me. He's stripped of some of the arrogance he seems to have on the JRE podcast and in lectures

>I PAID 15 FUCKING SHEKELS WHAT THE FUCK PETERFAG
use the youtube link in the thread

yeah i don't hate peterson but its clear that he's out of his element

It is simply not reasonable that everybody should have to read the fucking slog that is Capital just to refute a retarded 150 year old ideology whose followers treat it like a religion while it never produces anything of value

>kulaks were peasants

>Blacked

Only in Jewish made fantasy porn

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They weren't aristocrats

im not that guy and i agree with you but i dont think peterson reading capital would have changed his arguments. he still would have been doing this whole
>human nature chaos vs order jung
schtick regardless i think

im just curious to see how zizek responds to it but i already lost interest in this debate

I suppose it's just "common sense", right?

>or something
I'm starting to thinking he's ill, he's purposely avoiding the lights.

weak bait

how about a wikipedia summary? that should be enough to get past his clear misunderstanding of marxism

>The cheers for bloody revolution

>I just stumbled across the idea of dictatorship of the proletariat
Well I guess it's fine to first hear about it when you're 60

because ukraine wasn't a rich nation by any means, but they weren't peasants

If he didn't start crying immediately after admitting to having only read the communist manifesto for the first time in 30 some years as preparation to this debate, he probably could have done better

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I hope they don't get themselves kicked out

why the americlapping?

No it's observation. For example almost all humans show empathy in a pretty similar way, with some variation.

PETERSON IS FUCKING RETARD HOLY SHIIIIT, THE MANIFESTO IS A FUCKING PROPAGANDA PAMPHLET, IT'S IRRELEVANT WTF IS HE DOING??????
HE'S SETTING HIMSELF UP TO BE ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED.

Come on, it's based on principles observed from anthropological and zoological studies

isnt volume 1 the one you should read
peterson didnt even go through cliff notes tho

zizek looks like he's already done with the lobsters shit

>Barber, what kind of talk do you want to give
>I was thinking about critiquing the formulations of a movement at it's manifesto incardnation, which has been critiqued for 71 years now.

JUST

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The fact that its 800 * 3 pages long already screams elitism. So much for the working class huh?

How so?

Aww is the book too long for you?

jesus what is up with this man
how can you do this to yourself
no one made him do this. he called zizek out
and its clear he knows NOTHING about what marx was talking about. he doesnt know what class relations are nor what dictatorship of the proletariat even is.

MORE IMPORTANTLY though we see the problem in the debate sphere in micro here

the right doesnt know what its talking about. its bullshit. they are totally clueless

BUT the left are like animals. yes they see the right for what they are, but instead of being worthwhile human individuals, they fail halfway through and laugh and jeer and give the right the stereotypes it needs to continue its boogeymanning

jbp had like five minutes worth of material and they hit him with an uppercut when he realized he had half an hour

You haven't read Capital

My God, he's a true brainlet. He truly doesn't understand marxism. His points about "dictatorship of the proletariat" are ABSOLUTELY insane.

>cheering allowed in a debate

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seething

It's clear Peterson is only appealing to liberals.
He's not even trying to make arguments to Marxist.

It's more that it doesn't contain enough of value to justify the time it takes to read it

He's even saying this himself. I really don't understand what the fuck he's doing at the moment. This is some high school shit.

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peterson is not 'the right'

dude when are they gonna let zizek talk I can't watch this brainlet take anymore the guys is shaking in his boots

The 20th century got Foucault and Chomsky, and we get these fucking pseud buffoons. Why does it all have to be this way? Like, simultaneously soul-crushingly depressing, but also vapid and fucking banal and boring? People in the early 1900s believed we'd be living in outer space and struggling to find enough hobbies and creative pursuits to fill all of the free time we'd have. This fucking clown world is all we get?

STOP CLAPPING YOU FUCKING BRAINLETS

chomsky v foucault wasn't that adversarial. It was a nice debate. Peterson v zizek is a shameless spectacle

We have Nick Land and Bruno Latour

Mostly because of jews

This, why doesnt peterson tell them to STOP,
he is their dad afterall

ABSOLUTELY ABSURD

I had faith that this exchange would be at least interesting but Peterson is setting himself up to be absolutely fucking cratered.

gg ez

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he just took a turn and decided to go with the clean your room shtick

OH NO NO NO NO
Peterson has only read the manifesto, he knows nothing about marxism. Holy shit, this is a big yikes. It makes me so uncomfortable.

>"marx said this"
>marx didn't actually say it

why does he keep doing this

>mistaking labor as an economic category as doing jobs

lmao just end this already

Every evopsych idea is based on some variation of "all observable societies behave this particular way, regardless of how they're organized" or "our closest related animal relatives behave in these particular ways"

Oh my god this is incredible. Zizek is about to wipe the floor with this man

>Holy shit, this is a big yikes. It makes me so uncomfortable.
zoomers talk like such faggots

this is not a proper debate.

it's entertainment in the lowest form for zoomers

zizek isent a total brainlet just a product of his environment but not to undermine him or anything he has alot of original ideas he'll be in the western canon for philosophy in the future no doubt

why did zizek puss out and demand that the debate be as soft as possible

this is it

peterson is going to snap tonight

did i stop reading to watch this shit

fucking hell I am a fucking brainlet and I read the capital like 4 years ago and even I know this guy is a fucking idiot

look at how the crowd is behaving, it would be even worse

i would day he is. the right broadly speaking is on the side of tradition heirarchy and elitism. during the french revolution the "right" supported the king, and the left the people. things have changed but i still would say the right is a defender of conservatism which peterson in many respects he is, much more than zizek

you guys i cut my finger on a razor and now it's red and my whole hand feels warm am i gonna get sepsis?

I bet you are one those faggots that claim everything after the French revolution is better than the past. well, one thing that the French revolution achived was the giving voice to the stupid.

As dumb as Jordan Peterson is, he sure makes twitch chat seem like a bunch of mouth breathing retards in comparison.

I hate marxism as much as the next guy but this is just embarrassing.

i hate how he keeps doing the "marxists say.." bs, I want to hear the actual marxist perspective from zizek

You should probably learn what a fucking comma is before calling people brainlets

>20 minutes of jordan peterson talking
i thought this was a debate?

what did he ask for

peterson's stuff is really obvious at this point because he has the obvious position. i think it will get better.

Jesus Christ, Peterson is like 30 years younger than Zizek and still can't carry a coherent thought to conclusion. This is just sad

Cringing @ peterson rn

And how does this help define human nature?

I just need a live reaction camera on zizek

How off base must Peterson be to make fucking Zizek look like a good orator

Peterson is about to cry. He is unravelling in front of thousands of people and Zizek doesn't even need to open his mouth. Amazin'.

>he'll be in the western canon for philosophy in the future no doubt
Doubtful, Zizek is literally just one of a line of very similar forgotten philosophers that everybody thought would revive Marxism.

lmao honestly didn't think he was this much of a fraud. steer away from marxism jordan and retain some dignity

Peterson is the ultimate "confused liberal"

The actual right advocate for stuff like monarchy, fascism, racial supremacism, patriarchy, etc. They aren't really allowed on debates like this

you and me man. I was actually enjoying my read getting through alot of it too...but if I dont watch this shit I won't understand the shit posts that'll cover this board for weeks to come

he mentioned Dostojevski.....
POGGERS warm arm! jerk off with it!

fuck off, i read the first volume of capital when i was a poor 17 year old, and if i can do it then peterson has absolutely no excuse

Damn peterson is retarded.

>burzwazee

It seems like Peterson is trying to talk about colors while using geometrical descriptive terms. He is making so many category mistakes, being so naive, showing his ignorance so thoroughly... I even feel sorry for the guy.

Stop posting about this garbage. This is too low-brow even for /pol/.

Why did he do this to himself? He's just floundering up there. It's one thing to disagree on what's good/bad. But he's not even engaging with the text/theory he said he would.

How many levels of bad faith does he need to go?

Human nature evolved being the implication brainlet

this is just awful to listen to

The Age of Peterson is at its end.

Zizek is actually a force. Fuck every wannabe graduate student who teases him for sniffling and doing too many appearances

WHEN DOES HE GET TO HAPPINESS?

chomsky vs foucault was barely a conversation, much less a debate. It was like watching a bad date. They just totally misunderstood one another. I think poor translation and an extremely awkward moderator doomed it from the start. The only reason it's remembered so fondly is because every college kid is trained to idolize chomsky and foucault and "holy shit bro did you know that they debated one time?!!"

As for this debate, Peterson has clearly not done his reading. First of all, he's critiquing Marx using the communist manifesto. Which is a political pamphlet, not a serious philosophical treatise like capital. So he's off to a bad start. And then he just completely misunderstands what Marx is arguing. He falls back on the stawman of "Marx thinks all proletariat are good and all bourgeoisie are bad and that's why he wants dictatorship of the proletariat!" and that is not at all a fair or good critique. It's just not what Marx is arguing, at all. It's the kind of failure to create a dialogue with an author that I might expect from a freshman at a state college. But I was hoping from more from this.

He's just had some cider man, ease up on him.

Peterson is addressing the manifesto and hasn't engaged with any modern marxist-influenced thought, meanwhile Zizek can't admit he's not really a marxist at all lol

It's almost like Marx saw communism as something that inevitably arises at the end stage of capitalism

How long does he have left?

N BOMB DROPPED

yup already regretting it, too late now anyways

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Why? He already got the cash for the tickets.

peterson is absolutely boring. he has no interesting or original ideas or takes at all.

the communist manifesto? does he even know its a pamphlet? what the fuck is he talking about

Because A, humans are animals. And B, if a particular set of behaviors transcends all societies throughout all time, then it's likely psychologically inherent

What's an implication brainlet?

This is so embarrassing to watch. I almost feel bad for the fucker!

Not to even talk about the fact that he calls the idea of dialectic materialism an axioma in Marxist thinking.

>tfw zizek didnt even say a word and has already won

i think zizek is going to have a hard time """"debating"""" him based on the fact that i dont think anyone has any clue what peterson is saying... even peterson

>when you realize you are big fat fraud getting exposed in front of a billion zoomers

When we get to see some small naturals?

yep pretty much, i cant stop watching the trainwreck tho

Have you guys never seen a debate before? opening arguments are always like this, they're always the worse and hardest position to be in.

Peterson is choking. That's all zoomers care.

>seem like

"Marxism does not take account of nature" - Peterson

Bitch, read Engels Dialectics of Nature.

i never watched a peterson lecture before, is he usually so vapid? he literally sounds like a 15 year old "libertarian" repeating some Le Epic Gommunism BTFO reddit post

>malevolence

Kek

Jesus why bother even posting these garbage replies

what the fuck sort of debate is this

why are they speaking for so long

i have a clue what he is saying, why are you putting your fingers in your ears and screaming? youre not a fucking retard are you?

In awe at the size of this lad's brain

>Marx's actual call to top the creation of desired society is meaningless
>Thousands of pages of dialectical meandering is important.

Zizek said upfront that he'll address the Peterson audience, not him

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>Watching peterson roast himself

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>it's likely psychologically inherent
Why psychologically?

Oxford Style you new world mongrel

no this is probably the worst he's even been

he didnt even read the fucking work he's supposed to be debating

>/pol/
Alright, brainlet. Time to leave

he's a psychologist, not his field of expertise, not sure why he's even here
hello brainlet, ever see an iq^2 debate?

he is usually this vapid. he appeals to unread people and he tells them what they want to hear.

>He makes arguments my dad would make, but with facts.
literally just thought this. not even one of his "children," just high.

3 minutes left

>what the fuck sort of debate is this
it's not really a debate, zizek said in some interview they would take turns speaking about the subject rather than engaging in a debate. basically it's a cash grab

Because psychology is what regulates behavior, stop posting, you are incredibly fucking stupid

>they produce WEALTH

just having the debate in the back as I read this thread gives me goosebumps and a huge impending sense of doom. Its like the hairs the rise on the back of your neck when your about to see an accident, unstoppable and in slow motion.

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how do I fast forward though peterson talking?
He won't shut the fuck up

you dont even have to agree with him to understand what he is saying child

What is relative poverty?

You guys are dumb.
He's appealing to normies and these are the kind of arguments that will convince them.

sure, brainlet. Go read some self help books.

shits about to get real

> this is what lobsterfags actually believe
The communist manifesto is a pamphlet. It's 30 pages long. It briefly describes communism, addresses some criticisms of communism, not by refuting the arguments but by offering alternatives - again, this isn't a rigorous philosophical treatise, it's a pamphlet. It then describes various forms of socialism that Marx finds deficient and offers similarly brief criticisms of them. That's it. It's only useful as an accessible introduction. For example, Marx's ideas about alienation are entirely absent from it. IIRC historical materialism is not really explained either.

Psuedo-intellectuals hating Pederson. Nothing new here.

i was expecting jordy to get btfo but this is just sad

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The fuck is that a polpost you stupid cunt

TIME FOR THE BULL TO ENTER

>People laughing at peterson
I have genuinely never seen this before in a so called intellectual debate

People don't get poor under capitalism, truly a woke take.

Less of a problem than absolute poverty

Psychology and physiology are often one and the same

>get 2 psychoanalysts to debate
>they talk about political theory at a basic level instead of psychoanalysis

zzzzzzzz

Petersen critiques the Manifesto ... Why not take on The Gotha Program, Grundrisse or Capital? Or even "The Jewish question".

NRx is not "The Right"

I mean, how can you debate someone on a topic they clearly know nothing about? Peterson has not even gotten his head around the foundations of marxism. So he can't even really critique it; he just fundamentally doesn't know what it is. He needs to actually understand Marx's logic if he's going to discuss the logic errors it contains.

what i despise about both of them is that they both end up at the same place: bourgeois managerialism

You don't read anything at all so Im not sure why you're posturing here, you're dumber than the boomer clown on stage right now

Pls stop crowd, I beg you

HE BOUTA DO IT

ZIZEK BTFOing THE TRANNY COMMIES

sure they do...

Zizek can't even speak English. Wtf is this trash

>this isnt the space to laugh at someone else speaking.
Why? It's a public performance put on by two pseuds. It's exactly the space to laugh and jeer.

alright he isnt wrong with these stats

did you even hear what he said?

baby boy Peterson about to get BTFO

out of booze
going to bed

uh, zizek isn't looking that good either, the fuck?

The right is so excluded from modern dialectic as to almost not exist
this is the center against the left

I didn't say they were. The term 'right' originated in the French revolution and referred to Monarchists

hearing zizek talk is so freaky, wow.

>You guys are dumb.
they are not dumb, they just appeal to you friendo.

At least he's talking about happiness

The problem with zizek is that i can't understand him

>echo russian accent
oh man

Zizek isn’t too great of a public speaker. Is his primary language English? I know nothing about him so excuse my ignorance

Psychoanalysis rots the mind.

Zizek already mopping the floor with Petersen.

okay retard

the madman is going against academia

wtf why is zizek sucking too what is this debate lmfao
i feel like blackwood sterilized the whole thing somehow

yeah wtf, he never reads his speeches like this? what on earth is goin on with this debate?

Yes

He's right get bent faggot

>brainlet peterson watching zizek destroy his entire argument piece by piece,drooling,most likely day dreaming in his thought was well.

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>listening to Zizek slur for a half hour after listening to Peterson shakily rattles off statistics for a half hour
why did i think this was going to be an enjoyable experience

>people think China isn't communist
china is the only country that actually understands marxism

nigga does it sound like his primary language is english?

zizek knows about 7 different languages

no lol

Explain

yes you did

>no sniffing
no cocaine
no intelligence

im not a fan but peterson does some fairly interesting cultural analsys and some psychoanalytical takes which are good.

he shouldve stuck with that. i dunno what he was thinking with this economic/historical/philosophical route. he's shown himself to have about the same grounding in the subjects as the average western 20 year old and thats bad

zizek is basically going to steal all of his fans and peterson will be shown for what he is. zizek is much more clear, charming, and interesting in all aspects.

he very literally is going to get cucked. peterson maybe even unknowingly wanted this to happen. he prepped the zizek bvll and now zizek will take what is his. the approval of hundreds of virgin teens and early 20 something males

He's an awful speaker but still manages to appear more collected than Peterson does damn

zizek sounding like daffy duck

China is based and the West will slowly adopt their model over the next century

>The actual right advocate for stuff like monarchy, fascism, racial supremacism, patriarchy,
Youre inexcusably fucking retarded

Hes not gonna revive anything but if bullshit like "simulacra and simulation" is wester canon at this point I doubt zizek wont be. At the other hand, Peterson will go down in history as the self help midwit shepperd that he is

MIGApedes on suicide watch

>Peterson speaks entirely extemporaneously
>Zizek can only read off a piece of paper
I hope Zizek does better during the rebuttals

I'm unironically starting to suspect that post about them being massive friends behind the scenes was true, they both look like they're suffering from a massive hangover after going on a bar crawl together.

>why don't people take my fascist bullshit seriously :(

lol kys

galaxy brain opinion here

This is a retarded debate, Jordan is not an economicists neither is Zizek but at least he is sticking to philosophy it seems.

>Zizek starts schilling trump

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china is a shithole

Makes sense seeing as Peterson is kermit

zizek is looking fine? he sounds totally normal

>clear
lol
>charming
lmao
>interesting
one out of three

>they're both blowing it
>fanboys clap like monkeys whenever their leader says something they agree with
Blunder of the century

imagine retards paid their money for this shit
Peterson is really the god of all brainlets, the perfect money extraction machine

>cheering and clapping
fuck ameriplebs desu

>zizek is just reading a piece of paper
he doesnt give a shit about this, doesnt he

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thanks for proving my point?

Go back to sucking dicks you genetic trash

he'll probably start improvising after opening statements. It's pretty common to write down an actual speech for an opening statement, because it (and sometimes closing remarks) are the only parts of the debate you have 100% control over. Everything else is reactive.

"Why is Zizek so slurpy"

from the YouTube comments lmao

he's struggling to read off a paper two inches away from his face.

yea....its a shit show

>witchhouse poster
i keep seeing you on every post

>Trump is the ultimate Post-Modern President

Damn, this was pretty good.

heh...........

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unironically true

Zizek sounds based desu, what's his political stance?

He understands it completely, which is why Marx and Zizek are BTFO.

>europoor gets basic geography wrong
im really surprised desu

That's not Nrx, that's a list of far right concerns, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about

cry harder you silly child

communist

postmodern neo-marxist

Be better than you are. Stop playing victim. Take extreme ownership. Been where you are. The way out is easy if you aren't a cuck

LIBTARDS DESTROYED

left wing contrarianism

>hasn't read marx
>btfos him anyways
my god peterson is an absolute genius

It's just a statement.

That was a meme back in 2016, it's so fucking out of date in 2019.

you're a worthless sack of shit

he literally always looks like that.
if anything im surprised he isnt sniffing and tugging at his shirt more.

far right is not 'the right'
should we start taking antifa seriously, too?

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Sartre and Althusser are still read today.

What the fuck is Zizek talking about.

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Zizek isn't even sniffing.

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Communist with crypto Stalinist characteristics

Being poor in capitalism is being a king in Communism. Either way, better to be a poor freeman than a slave

Literally more profound than anything Peterson said in his abbreviated Prager U. lecture.

>snail talk
>snail talk
>snail talk

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So he's a centrist?

I can't understand what he's saying, I'm literally shaking rn

he uses this jealous husband analogy all the time but it's genuinely true

Zizek is so fucking cringy. Nothing but word salad and tangents, he can't stick to the point.

Zizek is evil

BASED ZIZEK

Uhhh is Zizek okay?

must have taken a lot of balls to post something like that anonymously on the internet

Another galaxy brain opinion right here, holy shit Yea Forums is filled with brainlets

Zizek did his cuck qoute

not really, you just agree with it.

Peterson is a right-wing neo-Marxist pretending to be a left-wing orthodox Marxist and fooling nobody.

I can btfo Marx too:
>dialectics

first time listening to zizek hunh?

>of courshe they were not
Nice save fgt

This is pretty boring desu. You fucks were shilling this for months and this is what we get? what a load of shit.

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Memerson is screwed

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you know you're complete trash, you look like shit and your mind is garbage

That's the power of ultra-instinct

holy shit this is literally Zizek reeling in as much academic liberal attention as he can just to shit on them. he's barely even regarding Peterson's talking points.
all of his "examples" are cheap shots at american liberals.
i'm sure there's some pro-marxist shit on that pre-written script but he definitely just showed up to talk shit and collect a check

someone predicted when the debate got announced that zizek would be lost in metaphysics and peterson would be arguing over trivial stuff....whoever that was, was soo right...

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>NO U!
based npc

No, but he's being particularly incoherent in this.

I'm quite conflicted over thinkers like them.
Can't say I disagree. All of this began with the advent of Marxism in the first place.
He makes some good points that I very much enjoy (the inherent stupidity of moral platitudes, for example) but defending Marxism is a lost cause to anyone with an ounce of integrity.
How did you arrive at that conclusion from the content of my post? Personally I'm of the belief that democracy is a cancer and a symptom of the terminal decline of civilizations; it is an indicator of their complacence and self-satisfaction.

>scapegoat theory of antisemitism

yikers

What he's saying is way more coherent than Peterson's opening

Zizek can't even speak English. How is Pederson supposed to debate this unintelligible slurpy kunt

but thats his point

Zizek just dabbed on Peterson's jealous buckold fanboys.

Epic.

whatever helps you cope

the meme is how outmatched zizek is

>zizek mentioned cultural marxism before peterson

>go back to Hegel and see what happens + when in doubt, tongue in cheek Stalinism

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Zizek is making my head spin
Peterson put me to sleep

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Zizek killing it

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>buckold
>bucko
my sides

>hitler made up anti-semitism from nothing and used it to mind control germans for decades
woah.......so this is the power of hegellian dialectic...........

underrated post

This is kind of retarded Peterson isn't really alt right at all they're both addressing irrelevancies, ie the alt right and unaltered marxism

nothing will help you cope though, youll just get uglier, fatter, dumber, and more alone, you fucking slime

>bringing up and referencing countless writers and philosophers
>uhh so I read the communist manifesto guys
yikes, who thought that putting a right wing youtube intellectual against Zizek was a good idea

This is going exactly how I expected lmao.

Slavoj "cucking is actually a good thing' Zizek

I posted this some days ago
>Zizek will go off on a tangent and we'll forget what the debate was even about.

Is this happening? I'm not watching the debate

His English is perfect, to be honest. He has a good vocabulary and makes absolutely no grammatical mistakes. He has an odd accent, but, so what?

Zizek: "We are in this mess because of the Jews."

i dont know why i didnt realize this sooner, but zizek is sort of impotent here for the exact opposite reason that peterson is.

these people straight up dont even know what zizek is talking about. even his simplest material is like 2 tiers above what they are normally used to hearing.

remember that post too;found it for you:
warosu.org/lit/thread/S12684451#p12684460

I'm just here for the debate because I appreciate both the snail and the frog. Redpill me on Yea Forums

What is Zizek even talking about

he's all over the place

>I totally want to raise someone else's kid!

yeah little bit

Maybe, but he's not saying anything complicated here.

>external causes can't exist
imagine telling somebody with sepsis they aren't sick because of foreign bacteria

zizek is retarded

>seriously its 2019
>not hiring 10/10 public speakers and just giving them your speech to read

cmon guys like are we not living in a media era?

You just can't understand his accent.

I generally think Zizek is pretty intelligent but he has a few absolutely retarded takes

All you guys being pathological about it is just proving Lacan right

Zizek literally made argumentum ad hitlerum within 5 minutes. He's an overrated galaxybrain

He's currently saying that the jews made trump into a puppet-king to control protestant boomers
a bit off topic but pretty based desu

I think I've heard all of Zizek's stories and talking points already. Hoping it gets better/more heated after the opening.

>he's barely even regarding Peterson's talking points.
This part of the debate isn't for that, you idiot.

>this was the plan all along

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No, he's literally never made any sense to anyone that hasn't read the collected works of marx, lacan, althusser, and his old advisor alain on top of having read all of the western philosophical canon

zizek really just doesnt give a shit about being anything but an "obscurantist"

the depth of this zizek speech makes peterson sound like the brainlet youtuber he is

link to post?

Either I'm going crazy or I've heard this exact same lecture from Zizek before.

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It's Zizek, what do you expect

Petersonfags on suicide watch

>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debate.
>heres why happiness is uhhhhh orange man, as any *sniff* philsopohers view envy*sniff*

If you removed anti-semitism and racism from /pol/ who else would they be able to blame?

desu he's dumbed down his vocabulary and usual topics to make it more accesible

this format is fucking retarded rofl, two people talking about two different things completely, and then I assume they have to address each other's points? How can anyone "win" when there are two parallel debates going on at once.

Guys i'm a brainlet wtf is Zizek saying?

>egoism

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If something occurs 10% of the time, then worrying about it isn't pathological

I like zizek but you sound like a retarded faggot, get his spotted dick out of your mouth he's not some 300iq monster and once you cut through the jargon (which I assume he will try to keep to a minimum) academia isn't very complicated

>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debat
lol

>should we drop egalitarianism
>no

bluepilled

He reuses a lot of his saying a lot

>spouting a bunch of incoherent words with no sense between them is deep
>this is what zizekfags actually believe

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>That moment when you subconsciously set up your own destruction and cuckholdry by challenging an actual academic to a debate, ruining your pop philosophy career and morals
This is some Freudian irony

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Zizek's accent is assfucking my brain, Jesus Christ.

WHAT DOES ANYTHING THEIR DISCUSSING HAVE TO DO WITH HAPPINESS....im so lost

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Zizek came out strong, but now he's lost and seems to be struggling on reading his own text

Capitalism caused SJWs is the long and short of it

Obviously he's doing it to appeal to peterson's audience.

why are commies obsessed with equality

He's not saying anything. It's literally word salad.

Zizek makes me feel like a brianlet too

he's making the case that while many people are unhappy egalitarianism is not to blame

Zizek is just spouting nonsensical garbage. "lol nihilism everything that isn't degenerate is pathological"

It's continental man, but nod your head and accuse others of not getting it. Re-listen later

>debaters taking about compeltely different things
>WOW x is totally eviscerating y right now

cheerleaders are embarassing

Basically: "The Left is doing all the right things wrong, the right never tried to do the right thing and doing it better than I would've hoped."

>>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debate.

The communist manifesto is just a political pamphlet, he obviously hasn't read any serious Marxist works like Capital. Peterson fundamentally misunderstands several crucial Marxist principles and makes his critiques in an incredibly simplistic way.

correct

Out of all continental philosophers, Zizek probably goes the furthest to make himself understood and accessible.

what the FUCK am I watching? they both come off as borderline retarded, can't believe you fucks shilled me into this.

i just can't understand what hes saying with his accent when hes saying its so quickly its hard to grip.

Or rather capitalism caused both SJWs and alt-right

religion = ideology
ideology makes people do bad things
socialism enables personal happiness
the progressive stack is retarded

You probably did, both read and heard him. It's just the self-plagiarism making itself apparent.

>Psychology and physiology are often one and the same
Do you have any example of this?

Zizek is a pop philosopher. he talks in cricle

>I cant comprehend philosophy
>Hes not talking in brainlet self help lingo
>tfw you have to stop and think about stuff instead of being fed with "wash your penis" instructions along woth a whole pre made ideology

we all knew this but know we know for sure the giant gulf between peterson and zizek

this is why we hate peterson. he isnt a threat to anything. hes literally a brainlet that offers nothing but acts like hes some sort of genius. hes obviously a fraud and this is made clear when in the prescence of someone like zizek.

it doesnt have to be zizek, it could be graham harmon or anyone else. peterson is not in this class and cannot compete. he needs to stay in his lane and write self help books if thats what he wants but nothing else

Came late, WTF is happening

Why is he reading a fucking script? Is this a debate or a essay presentation? How will Peterson respond this word salad?

pure ideology, basically

>this means something
HOTTEST TAKE

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>capitalism equalizes us too much

I unironically respected both them before this, I respect neither of them now, this was a mistake.

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THEY'RE BOTH INSUFFERABLE AHHHHH

>Zizek probably goes the furthest to make himself understood and accessible
uwot, this couldn't be further from the truth? do you just make these claims assuming no one has read modern continential philosophy?

graham harmon is 150000x more accessible and zizek did a talk with him last year

this

zizek dabbing on le lobster man

i'll happily root for the grumpy trash man (opposition to idpol and all)

Feverishly googling every name Zizek drops

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anyone else getting a massive headache from this marxist faggot going into deep epistemnology is a foreign accent from peterson's brainlet talk is dizzying

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Opening statements

SHOTS FIRED

Zizek isn't deep at all. it's just "truth is a lie, here's my preferred relativism, do what makes you feeeel goood"

both of them are shaking maybe the room is really cold

zizek admitted to being so scared of peterson that he demanded a monologue format it's gay as fuck

We were all fools to mock the lobster sign.

>stop and think
>in a live discussion
how about you stop and think, and also read the thread, because the people ITT who can understand him (i.e. not you) all agree that he's sounding pretty scattered, so why don't you stop relying on your own puny brain and just take your cue from the crowd like the cow you are

>biologicaly termed sexuality
fucking hack

is anyone even paying attention now?

They are essentially just both doing a lecture and aren't even talking about the same subject.

This shit is over, they are on totally different levels.

>we

i agree, but zizek sucks so far. this is pure trash and slick french platitude, as well as all too easy paradoxes

My head is spinning wtf

I want Zizek to read me a bedtime story!

Memerson is a brainlet, but I feel bad for him. How the fuck is he even gonna reply to this mess?

kys retard penis goes into vagina thats basic biological determinism

Uh oh he's about to trigger the christcucks

>mentions eliot's idea that new art changes past art instead of borges
this guy kinda sucks

yes. I literally want every relevant philosophy academic from all parts of the political spectrum to debate this mindless fraud so that he and his fans can be exposed for their intellectual weakness

Penis is vagina is pathological

>fake experts

PETERSON CALLED OUT

not for your reason but yes I have a headache from zizek already and the debates just started.....

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>imagine actually believing this just so you can feel smart for liking the sniffman

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Philosophy is inherently pop

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hes talking too fast bros

'no'

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imagine being such a pseud you fall for Zizeks "I love evil" nonsense

it is, user, unless something horrible happens like molestation your sexuality is set from the go

"Your academic career is like french cuisine"
What a put-down

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not him but i can understand him fine. but im familiar with zizek, all of this is stuff he's said before. if youre not familiar with philosophy this will sound like nonsense because you cant just passively accept it like peterson. you have to actively pay attention and think about what hes saying or it will go over your head.

Do you not know how to take a screenshot?

That's the thing though, all Zizek needs to do is hold a small lecture exploring the outlined themes even vaguelly. If he does just that he wins by default considering Peterson's insane rambling earlier.

>any decent student of theology can put things better than christ
damn.

Zizek is to a philosopher as bill nye is to a scientist.

What is he saying has to be kept apart? I can't understand his accent.

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yeah you just filtered an epistemology speech through your midwit mediocre mind and this is what came out. I hope you all look in the mirror after this debate and realize how mediocre, stupid and superficial your brain is

>That's the thing though, a
idgaf it's boring to watch
brainlet's first kierkegaard

He's right

Then why do my interests change and recede so much over time?

lol

youtube.com/watch?v=pXv44YL_Gio

>capitalism won

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH

MODS STICKY THIS BREAD
MODS MODS MODS
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> FUCK i didn't know we were supposed to read kierkegaard before this debate!

Care to retract that statement?

Zizek is way more academic than Bill Nye. Get out of here with that false equivalence

Bill Nye is an engineer larping as a scientist. Zizek is a philosopher through and through, who has made contributions to the field and written about it for decades.

i should be reading right but now I have to watch a brainlet take vs a take I can't understand....sigh

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>there is a problem with CAPITALISM here

they dont, you unstable fuck

this is worse than the first Peterson x Harris debate on the podcast

Zizek could've won the debate, but he hasn't developed on anything and is now looking lost on stage.

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This guy is not on JBP's level. His thinking is too shallow. Granted, I have only seen this intro. Will check out some of his other lectures and talks. But so far, he is not that good.

makes speech as esoteric as possible

>TRUMP BAD

Why are liberals so cringe?

wtf why is zizek BTFOing tankies

Did this thread get linked on /pol/ or peterson reddit forum? You know that Zizek wrote over thirty books in the field, right brainlet?

dumbest post in this thread

>Zizek is a philosopher through and through
is that supposed to be good or

Because the organisers know that the audience consists of 20 something brainlets who think that papa peterson is going to make them happy?

But they do

fuken geddit zizek

>communism will solve global warming
and here we go with the magic juice

I'm not paying attention to being with, but I have no idea how zizek is linking all the crap he's talking about to a major point. Why are we talking about capitain planet now?

is there gonna be Q&A period or something?

This is unironically a lot more interesting than the debate

Either I'm not half as much of a brainlet as I thought or is it just that one user samefagging with the whole "Zizek too smart"?

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>all that yapping about le epic zizek gonna save us from big bad peterson
>easy platitudes adorned with paradoxes and other cheap rhetorical tricks

but he's still right :)

how long does this go for?

when it comes to dunking on pseuds masquerading as philosophers, yes

this isn't a debate lol

>Will check out some of his other lectures and talks. But so far, he is not that good.
He's going over the same points that he always does.

Bloom will be dead soon and there will be no one left in academia to defend the Canon.

Hes just rambling like he usually does. Not sure what anyone expected.

> why do people not want to be dominated by other people
Dunno bud

is he trying to cover centuries of philosophy on this single debate? i wish people could stick to more niche topics

All (modern) philosophers are to philosophy as Bill Nye is to science

I rejected the basis for his worldview right off the bat, that there is no truth. If you aren't a gaytheist Zizek just sounds like a rambling shill for modernism, making obviously arbitrary "refutations" of all it's failings. This is obviously word vomit regardless, he's so incoherent because he's erratically going to fucking nowhere with his speech

How much until it's on Youtube?

fuckin zizek falling for capitalist propaganda about socialism

Because capitalists will kill the planet

Zizek going full transhumanist

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dave rubin would have wiped the floor with zizek

Thanks but I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean to say that the body of the cucumbers is the same thing as the fear the cats experience?

Nah, Zizek is shitting on Peterson but he's going over Petersonite's heads cause he doesn't know how to dumb his shit down.

Why is it that whenever you question these "Pererstein is a brainlet lol" posters they have never read Maps of Meaning and have absolutely zero exposure to the concept of metaphysical analysis of the affective behavioral valences which constitute the schema which we use to discriminate value between desires and concepts?

I suspect the vast majority of you think he's oversimplifying out of lack of intelligence, and not, rather competently, impressing a complex idea through simple articulated allegorical and syllogistic logic.

Also you're all fucking retarded brainlet posers.

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we are gonna be alright bro. I was gonna finish the enquiry but I got bewitched by this meme.

the latter, user, you're probably more of a brainlet than you suspect
I'm shitposting and listening at the same time and not struggling to keep up, he's not going very deep

>rambling
>reading a script
????????

ok brainlet

There’s a link

youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&ab_channel=PyramidofControl

Not Judith Butler, that's OC philosophy

get at me

strawpoll.me/17849560

>propaganda

Holy fuck he's ascending for real.

Zizek has gone over his time

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Zizek dropping the phrase "homophobic homophobia".

His thoughts ramble when he writes.

>george soros

Y I K E S

Zizek is an ambassador of philosophy. All his books are essentially slam poetry and everyone shits on him because he never offers any solutions to the problems he makes up that are actually solutions.

im about to call it quits guys, this is shit

>no "nobody" option
I voted memerson just to nudge the dial toward the center

S-O-R-O-S

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typical leftist talking points. WHy is this guy special again?

>nooouuu stuff is bad!!!! Giv me heidegger n nitzschee only!!!
Thanks gramps

gonna go wack it to hentai this shit is not entertaining in the least bit with the way the debate is orientated and neither is it intellectually challenging either. why the fuck is their an orator if their isent even a proper conflicting debate?what the fuck is he on the stage for? What they needed was quiet crowd and a regular formal debate not this brainlet shit.

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wtf I thought zizek was supposed to be better than Peter

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>who is winning
The organizer or whoever make money of this

>t. i cant follow
ahhh duuude, i gotta tell you something you might not like it

ahAHHAHAhahAHAHAHHAhahAHA

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So he's basically agreeing with Moldbug and saying we already live in communist societies.

based

He lived in Yugoslavia, man.

lol this is just so based and epic xD

this 2bqhfamalamadingdong

I'm saying that the fear those house cats are experiencing is inherent. Cats don't have a culture, not do they experience snakes on a regular basis, yet they know to fear their shape on an unconscious level.

In summation: ACCELERATIONIST GANG

ok, mr. peterson

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He is. You only need basic point to refute Memerson.

He's the world's worst communist.

>*sniff*
>apocalypse
>and so on*sniff*

can't believe so many of you have trouble following zizek. it's the same old stuff, ideology is everywhere and by its very nature it absorbs antagonistic elements in society i.e. identity poltics, protectionism blah, blah

CHYNA

LOL

he never fucking shuts up so he gets away with handwaving important aspects of the opposition. he makes huge claims about massive discussions every few seconds.

Zizekfags like to think Zizek is smart because it validates their own mediocre intellectualism. Zizek has a lot of knowledge and he's indeed smart but people overrated him way too much based on all his muddled knowledge.

Rightoids are too stupid to understand something they've only been told once so we have to repeat it until even brainlets like you understand that.

>Don't cheer me!
>*crowd cheers*
Zizek having his Howard Beale moment

OH NO NO NO

If you had never heard Zizek before and didn't follow much academic philosophy I can see how this would sound like gibberish

JP admitting defeat

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Is Zizek going full accelarationist on us

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strawpoll.me/17849465/r
honk

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what happened to your russian conspiracy again

chad crowd

Honestly this was Zizek’s most based moment tonight

Yea Forums should be embarrassed about this debate, this is exactly is why people hate philosophy and no longer watch debates.

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full doomer

Why is JayzTwoCents arguing with Zizek?

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It's way to much to discuss, because he skips right past the fundamental beliefs necessary for not finding the mentality nonsensical or malicious.

My takeaway from the debate so far is that Zizek's crown is at least as sycophantic as peterson's. even zizek had to call them out on it, lmao

HE'S GOT NOTHING

Americans are subhuman desu. Completly unable to engage with something without turning it into a spectacle.

yea...what were they thinking? Seriously they can't even target the same points and come to any conclusions like this...its pointless

whats that got to do with peterson being the zero point of philosophy

>JP literally admiting he is a brainlet and that Zizek is mostly right

peterson is being a lot more candid this time around when he's more in his comfort zone

cringe

Zizek is dominating Peterson so incredibly hard Jezus fucking Christ. I even feel bad at this moment.

>no longer

based retard

Joe Rogan would probably do better than Peterson desu

Peterson sounds like he just became blackpilled after those 30 minutes

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Peterson is so boring and has nothing to say.

what debate are you watching satan?

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Pretty much. Before the current political climate he was pretty clearly regarded as something of a buffoon and not taken seriously at all. He wrote some books but doesn't really provide much in the way of original contributions to philosophy. He certainly won't be remembered a century from now for his ideas. He is only given more capital on the left now because hes a useful counter to people like Peterson. Not that Peterson is good. Peterson is a complete huckster fraud.

Sorry to interrupt your obsession but this is not taking place in America

This is so hard to watch.

>Peterson's argument is literally that boomer Churchill quote

"who is hegel?"

Respected Supreme Leader Slavoj does NOT have a sycophantic crowd.

Peterson is a great psychologist. He's just a shit philosopher and shit economist. He got popular for rightfully calling out the bullshit culture in his university but he went wrong by not staying in his lane

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I don't even like Zizek or a fair chunk of what he said but holy shit, the rape is real.

lost

Sure... Might take longer for some people to "get" philosophy. But there's an option for people born with the curse of being a midwit to feel smarter: and that is pop psychology. Keep doing that. Academics is not for everyone. Clean your room, wash your penis etc ;)

Based.

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kek

literally this. this is so shit

Fuck lads, I really like petersons work but zizek makes a lot of sense.

What are some of his works I should read?

>zizek spends half an hour blathering about basic historical analysis and mediocre lite-accelerationist critiques of modern culture
>memerson also engages in basic historical analysis and mediocre lite-traditionalist critiques of modern culture

ah yes ofcourse that one churchill quote

Based daddy mueller going to save us still

upvote

>Zizek said more stuff so he wins!
Peterson is trying to be down to earth and Zizek went all over the place going over grand philosophical questions on the nature of reality and just claiming his interpretation was right because next point

who mentioned that?

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it's so hard to listen to peterstein hope his fame dies today

>zizek hasnt made any arguments for marxism
>proceeds to make arguments for marxism

Every country in the world belongs to america

What is Canada other than an extension of the United States?

based

What would freud have to say about these obsessives hmm?

>both "opponents" emphasize that they don't want to butt heads so much as move towards an agreement towards solving global problems
20 bucks says JP and Zizek get drinks after this. this is the comfiest "debate" i've ever seen

Should I make a new thread or will someone else?

Canada is in America

Satan has said it

my sides=in orbit

Except all his points are negated when you consider he has no alternative whatever as Peterson just pointed out

>liking self help books

Kek

This isn't a debate, I'm not rooting for pepe peterson, i was just disgusted at zizeks sophistry. it wasn't even eloquent.

>pointing out problems with capitalism = marxism
they're not even the only two options out there

this

Go ahead friend.

it only just begins

reddit front page tomorrow: Peterstein won!

Canada is a sort of special tumor attached to both the US and the UK

wtf I love Israel now?

>be retarded
>I was only meming xD
based retards

Yea Forums gets really slow post page 4-5.
no need to rush it

why even debate about communism vs capitalism? Its not like the current economic system is going to change because of debates. Also there isn't a single country that is absolute capitalist/communist. Literally every nation has a mixed economy.

Watch The Pervert's Guide to Ideology and also his talks on YouTube. Someone might rec some books but this is the easiest way.

kierkegaard seems like he'd be one of the three philosophers peterson actually has read

>Zizek spent his 30 minutes insulting academia and american liberals
>Peterson is left with nothing to debate and starts debating himself
hour well spent

read?
baby steps. watch his videos first.

Its our hat.

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I've never completed his books, just watched his lectures on youtube. His books don't go as much into detail as his lectures do.

so if i'm understanding this the debate isn't really working because

>peterson is more anti-marxism than he is pro-capitalism
>zizek is more ant-capitalism than he is pro-marxism
>both assume the other is defending something rather than attacking

dude... im sorry... your dumb as shit

This wasn't supposed to be a communism vs capitalism debate but they're both doing so fucking bad they're just reading scripts prepared for other debates.

The absolute state of benison fags lmaoo

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zizek, the borges parody version is much cleverer

why debate anything, then
>every nation has a mixed economy
don't tell me you think communism is when the state does things

playing Imouto Paradise 2
it aborded the theme of the supposed debate better than this shit

>I heard criticism of Capitalism but no support for Marxism
Because that's what Marxism is? Why is Peterson so retarded.

>actually gaining something from a self help gurus lectures.
I hope you're not older than 19

People were calling it months ago that this will go horribly wrong because they agree with each other more than they disagree, which Peterson just admitted.

this is a pretty good summary

they're both shit so far, sorry i blasphemed your god zizek

He's read the communist manifesto but forgot to tackle the entire wikipedia page on communism as well.

y'all if you want to get a competent persons opinion of all this you should check out Mark Blyth.

>>

Satan is right, Peterson's response to Zizek is basically "Zizek is right, capitalism sucks... b-but it's our best option.... w-why didn't Zizek mention Marxism...?" He seriously fucked up when he decided to focus on The Communist Manifesto instead of Zizek.

zizek staring a hole into the side of petersons head
it's gonna kick off any minute now boys

Have you read maps of meaning?

>right wing anti-capitalists are marxists

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kek

It's possible to critique capitalism outside of Marxism

All his points can be negated by just saying "I disagree" because everything he says rests on the agreement that everything just springs from the human mind and you have to agree with his interpretation of which parts are good or bad which he outlines very simplistic criteria for determining, it's essentially bad feelings I feel are bad and aren't justified in having a place the traditional perspective claims they do.

not yet it isn't

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>muhfuggen money
>muhfuggen poverty
>muhfuggen economics
literally who fucking cares?

also filtered

Judeo Christian

His personality psychology lectures are pretty good, they're not self help just basic psychology.

reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-barr/barr-releases-muellers-report-and-feels-the-heat-idUSKCN1RV0PU
> Mueller stopped short of concluding that Trump had committed a crime, but did not exonerate him of wrongdoing either, leaving Barr or Congress the option to take action against the Republican president.
> h-he's not as bad as we thought he was!
Daddy's not going to jail but he's still a massive scumbag.

>being this retarded

name checks out

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North America

>An entire form of society can be boiled down to the mere opposition of some other ideology which has been irrelevant for like 100 years now
why are Marxists so fucking stupid bros

Peterson just hit a shallowest point, if Zizek could porpose something he'd win right here, but he has no proposals only his old platitudes

stop being redundant

This is a pretty comfy debate

America isn't even a country, user.

>self help guru
Zizek doesn't do self help

same

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wow this is dumb

>Benison fags renouncing their own moral champion in the face of embarassment
The classic integrity of neo liberal intamellecchuals

Peterson embarrassed himself, at least Zizek prepared himself to be zizek. peterson didn't even tell anyone to clean their room.

>Mueller stopped short of concluding that Trump had committed a crime, but did not exonerate him of wrongdoing either
There's no evidence and I can't do anything, but I can't rule it out conclusively or prove a negative
wow really great post buddy lol you guys are so boring

yeah but Marxism is all about criticizing capitalism. it's a sith like ideology. support is hate

Which board did this thread get linked on? Where are these brainlets coming from?

the only good part of the debate so far is the shitposting happening here

The fact that so many people in these threads think that what Peterson has done; crafted a psychology course so easy to follow and understand that even brainlet retards like the ones flooding these threads can understand, when the course is based around jungian psychoanalysis (which is insanely complex and deep, entire organizations exist to transcribe and articulate his work) is a testament to his scholarly excellence.

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He should; he dresses up like he's fighting hobos for clothes

>taking what I said as literal
why are you on this board. Go to pols debate thread.

zizek is just going back to what plato said about how excess and democracy create unhappiness

>Benison fags renouncing their own moral champion
he's a greedy shill, stop coping you look gay as fuck

now this is the zizek we all love

That's not what I said. I'm just saying that whole Marxist analysis is criticism of Capitalism through historicism, and labor value theory. Don't be dumbasses. Peterson is terrible at debating. Put me on stage and I'll BTFO commies.

based zizek talking that nrx shit

His platitudes aren't even coherent, he's the worst storyteller i've seen in my life. He starts one place and branches off into a dozen non-sequitors and never ends on any point, you just have to grasp at his zizekism as they come and go.

I'm from cth

zizek literally giving peterson feedback, so patronising, peterson is done

>implying frog man and zizzy are lit to begin with

lol

>Zizek actually referencing the core point of the debate instead of memeing about the communist manifesto over and over

no u

Zizeks talking points aren't internally consistent.

>I was only memeing!
fuck off

>zizek literally agreeing with peterson about socialism

>criticism of Capitalism
yeah and Capitalism has evolved from the days the manifesto was written.

u got bad brain

You might have enough knowledge to understand jung but I don't and petersons lectures were really good as a general overview of psychology for me. Peterson actually got me into Jungian psychology.

>Peterson actually got me into Jungian psychology.
Is this supposed to be a good thing? lmao

>implying i was memeing
uh oh