Some people claim the Frankfurt School was ultimately the source of the postwar inversion of westerm values. Adorno was literally partially was after he started working with the American Jewish Committee and wrote The Authoritarian Personality. See Paul Gottfried's (a student of Marcuse) work on this in After Liberalism. However this was actually a turn from Adorno's prior work, Gottfried argues calling the New Left "cultural Marxism" is a misnomer because it actually came from Adorno turning away from revolution and becoming an establishment shill (Gottfried gives the example of Adorno saying being suspicious of government is indicative of fascist personality, whereas Gottfried says any serious Marxist would believe working-class hostility to the liberal governmenr is healthy).
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Frankfurt school had blatant intentions to control people using their passions, and endeavored to find ways influence what those passions are to create manufactured consent. One of the big goals was instilling a relativistic worldview so they can more easily change what passions they are targeting. I think an issue some have is they think the frankfurt school was just a bunch of garbage akin to "abstract modern art" or whatever and not malicious brainwashing agendas.
Actually they opposed commodified trash art, although they had terrible taste. Adorno whined about jazz while extolling Shoenberg
there was no "inversion", everything makes just as much sense as a continuum and if that invalidates everything before so be it
adorno was literally so uptight he felt uneasy because of jazz music and thought you shouldn't laugh after auschwitz, that's not relativism
Adorno would have applauded jazz if it were a Jewish thing
Adorno was right about jazz and i like the theory he wrote the Beatles songs
Richard Weaver was more right about jazz because his critique of music is consistent into classical, whereas Adorno's is literally just elitism
I didn't mention their art views, I said in the minds of some who think the frankfurt school is anathema they view it as the equivalent of modern art, as if the works produced are all just garbage and just worthy of contempt and not actual understanding to combat it.
The frankfurt school were arguing in bad faith. They were psychologists trying to brainwash people, their individual beliefs don't have to line up with their intended objective. Relativism never manifests as an "anything goes" mentality, it just lets you create what becomes the social norms and if it's questioned on moral or practical grounds relativism is used as a defense. The relativism has to be defacto objective but become more lax when they intend to alter the standards.
>i like the theory he wrote the Beatles songs
a '''theory''' tends to have some grounding in reality otherwise the timecube guy is just another '''theorist''' amongst many
>arguing in bad faith
maybe you are? invoking a secret objective (unless you're claiming they were also "'unconscious"' of their own true objective) doesn't seem like something people tend to successfully hide behind a comically diabolically complex life long corpus... it's takes good faith to take arguments at face value
The objective isn't secret, it's right there in the writing and in the intent. Frankfurt school were mostly just psychologists, they applied their theories, the writing often had hints of contempt for their guinea pigs for functioning in such an exploitable way, like the culture industry for example.
what's the objective here?
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it's just a critical inquiry into how society functions. any '''application''' goes beyond the inquiry and you're outside the frankfurt school then
>any '''application''' goes beyond the inquiry and you're outside the frankfurt school then
Fuck off
I never got the whole cultural marxism thing. How can we live in a "culturally" marxist society when we live under capitalism? If these guys could easily change culture then why not go ahead and complete the rest of Marxism?
you can use theories to do things never intended.
>why not go ahead and complete the rest of Marxism?
They don't want to. Capitalism is better for control and stability.
Adorno writes about how capitalism and its culture industry destroy all that's great about western civilization and now a bunch of antisemitic nerds online accuse him of destroying western civilization. Never really understood this.
He's literally complaining about the same things as /pol/tards except he is calling it cultural capitalism
So they are actually Capitalists then? ok
Adorno also applied his and other theories of the Frankfurt school, most notably in post war Germany as part of the rehabilitation process. Identifying "bad" things doesn't mean they want to stop those things, they want to abuse it. See the Prince by Machiavelli for example.
this makes no sense
youre assuming retarded evil
It means instead of economic exploitation they posit various 'soft' forms of exploitation- race, gender, etc. I say soft because it's harder to objectively see them as classes the way the proletariat and capitalists are.
It's a stupid term that only causes flamewars and should be abandoned
They are modernists. The frankfurts schools goal was dismantling the old structures and imposing new ones that would be more beneficial for them (jews)
>I've never read Adorno
Jews are pretty evil, as is everything about the modern world.
Define "western values."
are there people on /pol/ who have read adorno and realise he is with them on most things
"Jews" are not a monolithic block
>>>/leftypol/
Identifying the same concepts doesn't mean you are on the same page on what should be done about them.
Better /leftypol/ than /pol/, I suppose, though I could do without them both.
All Jews have a revolutionary spirit and always have.
How could you possibly know that?
He says Odysseus is a baconian bourgeois
I imagine he read that book The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. I personally found it mind numbingly boring so I cant comment on if it's worth anything
>I hate /pol/!!
We know you do pseud, your type makes it obvious with every post you make despite the fact the /pol/ hasn't been relevant for years and is totally benign. Always trying to emphasis how not /pol/ you are because people on /pol/ are obviously dumb and you are the antithesis of that.
Seriously why are people still using the /pol/ boogyman? Who the fuck still uses /pol/? All I ever see there are a bunch of alt-lighters responding to low hanging fruit bait with dumb answers. "picture of blacked porn" WHATS WRONG WITH THIS~500 replies.
He says Odysseus is the prototype of the bourgeois, and I don't see how he's wrong.
It is more likely that they wanted his criticism against capitalism but needed to dissociate said criticism from the marxism that Adorno was based on.
Adorno remains a very interesting figure to the Right. IIRC some Spenglerfags in this board like to claim him and one of his own too
Jones needs an editor because his books are bloated to shit and I swear he has used the exact same paragraph like three times in libido dominandi.
>singles out and calls out /leftypol/fags
>gets upset and whines about singling out and bitching about /pol/fags
You /pol/ people sure are sensitive.
Adorno wasn't a "good guy". Christians and Satanists both agree on various tenants of satanism.
>Adorno wasn't a "good guy"
I never said that though, but trying to guess the reason why /pol/fags accusations of him and his posse of destroying the West is exactly the same as how they described how capitalism will destroy the west.
we don't like him because he would never turn that 'authoritarian personality' analysis he used on white christian America onto how Jews feel about Jews
Because Adorno and the frankfurt school didn't just identify the culture industry for example, they god involved with that shit and started using it to push society in the directions it wanted. The frankfurt school was never "we need to stop this" it's "here's the handbook for creating the brave new world"
many brainlets on /pol/ probably think capitalism is good because they think the 1950s was the peak of western civilization or some shit.
But they didn't do those things at all. Frankfurt school was pretty pessimistic.
They were jews and absolutely did those things, and had contact with many other jews. As I mentioned Adorno was literally hired to brainwash post war germany into being good goys, applying what he identified.
That's a pretty gay reaction image. You could get the sentiment across in a way that doesn't scream "i'm a sissyfag from reddit"
The Authoritarian Personality and Adorno's work with the American Jewish Committee was a sharp break from his earlier work with the Frankfurt School, please read op
This. I don't understand /pol/tards, they blame authors like Adorno while spouting the same things he said.
Adorno was trying to save things like Shoenberg and abstract art, not traditional western culture, which he considered oppressive
Both /pol/ and Adorno can agree in many things though.
Both Thomas Jefferson and Adolf Hitler could agree on many things
Overture 1812 is the only salvageable piece of music from before the 21st-century, pleb.
Music started going downhill with Romanticism, read Richard Weaver
So basically /pol/ is right about what Cultural Marxism / The Frankfurt School are and lefties are just doing their typical "deny til you die" thing right
De Maistre makes similar first hand observations. I've heard E.Micheal Jones claim Wagner was the final nail in the coffin.