Tonight is Peterson vs Zizek, Jung vs. Lacan, Kant vs. Hegel

is it it?

Thank you user, have a qt3.14

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activate a chat pls o great user

Hell yeah nigga

Society wins if it comes to realize that psychoanalysis is a waste of time.

>consciousness is a waste of time

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this is why Zizek is superior because he at least tries to be more than therapy which, at least as far as professional therapy is concerned, is ikey bullshit

Some will claim Peterson won, others will be sure that in fact Zizek had the upper hand.
In reality they won't adress each other but will digress in monologues that have little to do with each other, saying each other's names from time to time.
Zizek will tell a joke or two about Stalin, Peterson will talk shit feminists and go home with bills coming out of his pockets.

>Debates Zizek
>not Dugin
Lmao yeah I bet

you mad bastard. Thanks user.
Is Youtube going to get pissy with me if I watch it? Do I have to log off to be safe?

I think Zizek speaks too cryptically for it to palatable to most people. Cryptic in the sense that the terminology he uses aren’t relatable to a layman. At least that’s how, as a layman, I see it.

I’m slowly reading through the Bronze Age, so it’s going to be a while.

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Worst case scenario they hijack the stream and strike the dude's channel

Bump

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Yeah, considering Peterson thinks 'explaining postmodernism' by Stephen Hicks is a good source I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson lumped Kant in with the post modernists. Wouldn't even be surprised if he thought that's why academia considers him one of the greatest of all time.

It won’t be popular enough for that, it’s not a UFC card.

based and altruisticpilled.

Starts at 1930 Toronto time.

I can't wait

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The way I see it, the line goes from Kant to Freud and then to Jung and Peterson, Freud retaining much of Kant's categorical thinking as well as his rejection of the 'Ding an sich', but he goes one step further and critiques the reason as critiqued by Kant.
Meanwhile Lacan, although a structuralist and also used to a very schematic kind of thinking, remains much closer to Hegel in their mutual obsession with the dialectics of subject/object and totalities and what have you.

Cheers, user.

>psychoanalysis has a monopoly on the understanding of consciousness
But he uses it to create a therapeutic approach to solving social problems. It’s a shame because he can be pretty insightful.
I think I read that Hicks identifies Hume as the first postmodernist, so I so don’t know what nonsense Peterson thinks about it.

open a chat

Thank you, user

Wanted to add: Freud was (or purported to be) a materialist, and Kant represents latent materialism insofar as the final drive towards knowledge comes from the 'Anstoß' outside. How is evolutionary psychology not materialist Kantian? As for Hegel, he was also criticised for disregarding the subject/personal action (see Kierkegaard) by elevating the human spirit to that of consciousness, but his idealism points to Lacan.
I agree my genealogy isn't completely clear or sound, but I'll still say I'm in the right direction.

When does it start from now? Don't give me any of that AM/PM CEST UTC +2 wintertime bullshit

>Other than a stream
youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be

Peterson is boring, always start talking about how smart his friends are, or how many hours he spent thinking about shit. Just say whatever you want to say, i don't care how you spend your free time

yes, Zizek unironically said he was afraid of him, but they won't speak directly to each other, so it will just depend on who can meme the audience harder, not on having to say consistent shit. Which means Zizek can just make people laugh and ramble about random shit and come on top if people like him enough

It’s literally just 11 EST brainlet

there'll definitely be a stream,Peterson is very popular

>thumbs up symbol
problematic
and what does Zizek has to offer? voting for Bernie and being a unironical social democrat with no answer to the problems of modernity? Peterson doesn't either, but at least he is confronting the problems of the mainstream, even if he does it poorly

>Zizek has more depth
i don't think Zizek has much insight on anything anymore, most of his talking points and "problems" with the establishment are like entry-level internet right wing talking points, and he doesn't really take them much further except for giving them a small left wing bend which doesn't lead anywhere

The man has been wildly prolific and has already written his best works. He's been doing his own thing and all sorts of crazy schemes for ages, I just appreciate the publicity this gives him. And I agree that Zizek today is a bit tame and vague.

>I have a feeling that it will be shit
It is literally impossible for it not to be shit

>The man has been wildly prolific
he copy/pastes the same book 3-4 times per year...

but yeah, old people don't produce new ideas

They’re both full of shit, but Zizek is based and self aware. Peterson is fucked in the head, he’s got a serious messiah complex

>self aware
>communist
kek

I’m uberpol, commies may be distasteful but zizek is a good laugh

Zizek has less to lose so that can be an advantage for him.
It's going to be a dick-swinging contest either way.

>but at least he is confronting the problems of the mainstream
Problems which include?

The winner should debate /ourguy/ for maximum keks

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Do you have a problem with Communism, MAGAtard?

Land would completely wreck either of them but nowhere would give him a platform.

it's gonna be the chompsky vs aids man of our day. I'm so excited

Is distasteful the /pol/tard equivalent of problematic?

Prc maybe?

do you even pol
It's obviously 'degenerate'

>Zizek has less to lose
i think Peterson knows he won't last long in the spotlight, that's why he is squeezing as much money as he can from his audience at this moment

>aids man
Lmao

>tfw toronto antifa are probably wasting their time protesting this instead of actual white supremacists

haha maybe you’re right, my beliefs are essentially entirely based upon the aesthetic

what's Prc? in the UK Land was going to have a debate at LD50 but antifa shut it down and there was all that debacle with the DC Miller guy holding a free speech card and getting lynched on the street

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The insidiousness of Jordan Peterson lies in that he simultaneously reduces timeless wisdom to self-help jargon and common sense advice while also affirming the righteousness and desirability of modernity. All of the problems that Peterson tackles are themselves just various manifestations of modernity itself, but nothing he talks or writes delves into this larger problem or how to deal with it. To the contrary, he takes religious texts that contain profound wisdom and teachings passed down through the ages and uses them as corporate bug-man self-help advice for kids who weren't raised properly. Peterson low-key pushes a mythos that western society in modernity is fundamentally just and a good thing and that aside from some irrational, stupid and greedy people that you have to deal with that everything is okay in principle.

This couldn't be more wrong. Since the emergence of civilization most of the them were united by religious traditions teaching metaphysical knowledge. All the problems of the western mentality and society stem from the loss of this. Christ, the Neoplatonists and to some extent the Hermetics and certain Greek mystery cults all had it too but the Church eventually became an encrusted coffin of doctrine with no accompanying realizations to be had hence why it failed to prevent modernity from arising in the west. Without being connected to any higher understanding in any significant amount among it's intellectual elite, western society has ever since the renaissance has in free fall accompanied by materialism, nihilism, scientism and various other forms of spiritual and cultural degeneration. Peterson affirms all this as good by buying into the faulty idea of the linear progression of civilization and humanity and by shilling it to his unaware fans.

Did you ever figure out why Peterson never seriously delves into eastern thought aside from a few boomer references to Buddhism and Confucius? It's because it totally destroys his worldview and offers completely different solutions to the ideas he address. Why did one of the largest and most impressive bodies of spiritual literature ever emerge out of society with a caste system? Most of the societal problems he address wouldn't even arise in a traditional eastern civilization pre-modernity but just reflect the state of the modern west. It's bad enough that he does all of this already but then he takes one of the few sources of timeless wisdom that are tradition in the west and reduces it to a source of bland common-sense life advice instead of a window to transcendental truths wherein lies the solutions to all problems.

>actual white supremacists
that would be hard to find, and even if they find them they may fight back

better harass random mild-mannered academics that don't agree with every single one of your points

Peterson has a fucking enormous following and there is nobody else competing for his position. Literally no other person has his pseud academic cred alongside his meme heresy against progs, combined into a Frankenstein of selfhelp faggotry. he is in his own little ecosystem

JP is probably qualified to talk about psychology because he has a PhD in psychology and has had a clinical practice for however many years, has work published, etc. But he also seems to think he is qualified to talk about every subject and he's just... not. People think he should be a source of authority on society but that's not how this shit works. I've heard professors say some pretty dumb shit before. You can spend years specializing in one field and not know anything about another.

If you think JP is the best intellectual of our time name five other currently writing public intellectuals with the same level of credentials as JP whose work you have critically engaged with. I'll be waiting. But somehow I think you are just as loathe to actually engage with thinkers you disagree with as Jordan "Post-modern Neomarxism" Peterson.

>eastern thought
>solutions
if eastern thought has solutions, why is the east getting memed even harder and faster than we did by modernity?

Antifa is notorious for fighting anything but actual fascists. They're a bunch of retards.

I'd actually be happy if antifa types would set up their "Left Wing Death Squads" and go to rural areas in the US fighting rednecks.
Maybe you could build a TV show around it.
Imagine these millenial hipster types riding in their hybrid Prius in all black, going to some tiny town in rural Michigan, hunting down "white supremacist".

Peterson has no answer to progressives beyond "the same buy slower", big things on the internet fall down fast, and Peterson is too old to come up with new ideas to adapt

he will follow the same destiny that internet atheists and anti-sjws did before

progs are very easy to attack on the internet, you can just accuse them of censorship and they will prove your point for you

I really don't see progs becoming pro free speech any time soon, it's trending the opposite way

i think antifa just wants to feel like heroes and rebels, not having to do actual work or change anything

>They're a bunch of retards.
They're a bunch of rich kids playing revolutionists and I'm almost certain they're being propped up because their image and actions turns away working-class from real left-wing politics.

People's Republic of China.

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they want to be the sort of socialist rebels that have megacorporation owned newspapers write glowing opeds about them

Funny I seem to remember us smashing Faith Goldy pretty thoroughly. You can be certain that not every fascist is famous enough for you to know about. In fact you can be sure that you know very little in general, obviously.

>Dugin
leave this place

you should go smash the Aryan brotherhood, they sure have a lot of nazi tattoos

Didn't you hear? Modernity is racist my dude

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Every time I tell any of you yankee faggot revolutionary wannabes in some big city chapter to man the fuck up and make molotov cocktails you recoil like imbeciles

Antifa are the jews of the left

Was the extinction rebellion in london another champagne socialist thing?

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but progressives have shown in the last year that it doesn't matter how bad you made them look, they can get away with anything

like banning Peterson's book after the NZ shooting, doesn't matter it had nothing to do with it. Or the covington catholic debacle, even the church, the school and all the national review conservatives were ready to throw the kids under the bus to placate the progressives until some internet right wing retards decided to actually watch the video

and they paid no price for it because they are unstoppable at this point, the intersectional coalition works perfectly and there's no alternative coalition that the right can form at this point

He really doesn't seem that articulated. Here's Fukuyama and Dugin:

youtube.com/watch?v=wIiKiDnMSFw

>They're a bunch of rich kids playing revolutionists
on some cities it was rich progressives picking up homeless kids and brainwashing them, like that BAMN group with the crazy asian womanlet

I’m not a wannabe, I’m the next Lenin. We don’t do things like “molotov cocktails” at the behest of random retards and we avoid it in general because we’re not stupid enough to run into a wall with our face. Instead, we’ll run THRU the wall when it’s cracked and crumbling and we have a battering ram. Of course you wouldn’t understand that, though.

>jewish conservitards are fascists
I can smell your pustulous AIDS corpulence from this mere post

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Fucking thought exactly this.
At least go all the fucking way.
Yes, middle-class brits acting like they are saving the world.
After the protest, they'll go back to their cozy detached houses, located in the safe outskirts of London central, drink their chai tea and eat their avocado fucking sandwich, listen to some BBC ideologue praising their efforts and think they've actually changed something.

ah yeah, china likes Land

Progs are in control, everyone knows that. Peterson is just selling to disaffected centrist-rightist-whatever the fucks.

The Right don't form coalitions and never have, they make little paramilitary organizations and stage coups, and then impose a hierarchy on the rest of the population. If any serious Right exists today it's a sleeper cell in the US military but I highly doubt anything like that is happening

are you retarded dude?

Destroying the left is easy, you just need to activate circular firing squad mode

He does struggle in English but he’d still demolish Peterson. He has the exclusive benefit of the truth on his side in every exchange.

How do we get the working-class involved in left-wing politics again?

This is correct. They're just the leftist version of the paranoid anti-semitic right: society is a harmonious whole on the way to a bright future, but the JEW (in it's many guises) is the outside factors which disturbs everything.
The antifa version of this is the same, except replace jew with right-wingers/reactionaries/fascists.
The imaginary figure of the fascist also helps sustain their own identity as righteous hero's, even though they don't work and contribute nothing.

We’ll decide who are the fascists, thanks. It’s common sense that fascists rarely self-identify as such. Fuentes is another example, he’s just like Goldy. Appeal to the mainstream by affecting mere conservatism but we’re not stupid enough to miss his signals.

>Destroying the left is easy
yes, the intersectional coalition will blow itself up at some point or another, but there's nobody ready to capitalize on it

maybe islam, but i think they are too retarded to create a cohesive front instead of starting shooting each other

based basedanon

Again the actual guys running around calling themselves white supremacists with the nazi tattoos and rifles, you are curiously absent

But a jewish conservative eceleb! Then Antifa is right on the case

the working class only exists in the third world, unless you are memeing for some kind of third worldism your ideology makes no sense

in the first world only bourgeois and lumpenproles remain, both of which were considered a reactionary force by Marx. the proletariat wasn't just a random guy getting a wage, it worked as a class because it was the productive class that shaped society and that opened the possibility for its emancipation, you don't have that in the west anymore

I honestly don't fucking know.
Even here in Finland, the leftist parties (SDP-Social Democratic Party, Vasemmistoliitto-leftist coaliton and Vihreät-the greens) are fucking working class repellents, they hate the people living outside of metropolitan areas, they think they are braindead racists who can't think for themselves and they need a wise, multicultural and woke saviour from Helsinki, to tell them what they need and how their life is.
And then these fucking retards wonder why our populist right wing party (Perussuomalaiset) is the second largest party by 0,2% to the largest party (SDP) and why most of it's voters are from the rural middle of Finland.
And they aren't going to wise up (the left).

Well i guess you really are retarded.

There are so many fault lines in the democratic party. The feminists hate the trannies, the muslims hate the gays, white women of color hate the white feminists, etc.

But also the social democrats and the neoliberals hate each other.

Here is a saying about american politics for your small brain

"the republican falls in line, the democrats fall in love"

You are living on mars if you think the left is united

The left is basically stalin stabbing trotsky with an ice pick forever

You can already see the tension between the colored girl collation headed by AOC and one of the avatars of neoliberal white feminism, nancy pelosi

Based

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lol, the left has abandoned that. they prefer to literally import brown workers because they may be easier to brainwash.

Too bad brown people are actually people with their own legacies to carry and not pawns to be socially engineered by leftist intellectuals, it's going to be a shitshow

Do you think nobody is paving roads in the US or something?

>You are living on mars if you think the left is united
they don't need to be ideologically aligned as long as they have your stuff and institutions to pillage and share the spoils among their heterogeneous groups. And there's nothing you can do against them.

yes, they will blow up when they run out of your stuff to share, but you still have a lot of stuff to pillage in the meantime.

>It is literally impossible for it not to be shit
Are you aware those are meme intellectuals for an audience of ppl in their early 20s?
Chances that something actually interesting happening, beside comedy value, are in fact quite low.

My nigga thanks

>Again the actual guys running around calling themselves white supremacists with the nazi tattoos and rifles, you are curiously absent
This is too nonspecific for me to even argue about. What are you describing? A trio of random Nazis at Applebees? A KKK rally? A Charlottesvillesque march?
We’re a pretty consistent nuissance to fascists, just ask them. And you’re still acting like Goldy isn’t a “real” fascist. She is, not only by the textbook standard (though she keeps it on the DL) but, most importantly, by our standard.

Do you know how many heads are going to roll if bernie gets the nomination. You know his vp is going to be a non white woman too.

The neolibs and white feminists are going to be purged from the democratic party. This going to lead to 2028 when the republicans run a white woman (after having absorbed the neoliberals and white feminists/terfs) and the democrats run a woman of color and the presidential election turns into a giant cat fight over who will be the first female president

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thank you, user.

i'm not saying workers literally don't exist, i'm saying they don't shape society anymore as they did during Marx time when all society was centered around industrial production and the proletariat was a big homogeneous mass of people that played a key role shaping society

luv u

What is supposed to mean working class in today's world? Blue collar workers?

Has ourguy nick actually written anything about either of them? I love to see what he thinks about Zizek

>but, most importantly, by our standard.
your paranoid delusions you mean, you're like flyover retards calling Obama a communist

Dugin is a Jason Unruhe tier nazbol tard.

>old white guy surviving the onslaught of the intersectional mafia primaries
doubt that, but i'm ready to be surprised. My prediction is he will get twerked out of the stage by a bunch of black girls and he will shut up and take it

Democrats are going to run AOC as soon as possible. She's their Donald Trump.

Zizek is a bunch of tryhard, ambiguous words that seem half compliment half censure, Peterson is sensible, and he respects him for that, but on the whole ignorant, and not to mention milquetoast.
There you go, now you know what he would say.

Apparently the format is that they take turns monologuing and then they take turns doing rebuttal so im kind of bummed because this means there wont be any epic zizek tangents

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Praise kek!

She can’t run for years brainlet, she’s not even 30. And establishment dems don’t like her. DSA is trying to infiltrate and take over the party, the dems are more allied to corporations than they are the DSA.

>there wont be any epic zizek tangents
Zizek talks are nothing but tangents, so don't worry

>the parties formed around the idea of the superiority of the industrial working-class look down on the peasants
What a shock!

Would he really call him a tryhard considering what fanged noumena is like

She unironically proclaims the 14 words. The 14 words are literally a fascist declaration. I have no interest in humoring your obfuscations further.

what a boomer
he was so confused over yang gang when it was the hottest new meme too, kek

Learn to read

>Nick Land: Okay, that’s great. That’s really… This has been great fun, Justin. Best of luck. I would even go as far as “best of luck” with your communist blockchain, as long as you’re not looking for an investment.

Wow yeah so true except not at all, that weirdo is someone who happens to agree with a philosophy that Dugin INVENTED, they’re not comparable intellects you total numbnuts.

>racism=fascism
When will this meme end?

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You have never even read the Doctrine of Fascism you are literally like a 19 year old peterson follower talking about the Gulag Archipelago as an example of Marxism

Why did you even bother to respond with this stupid shit? Either try or shut the fuck up.

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Son,, you need to go do your two year tour of duty on /pol/ and stop shitting up this thread with your ignorance

Should be the minimum required of him, considering he used to be a psychotherapist.

I don't see how he could do that job nowadays. He is too public, too outspoken. A rando entering his office would already know more about him than Peterson could learn about his patient in a dozen sessions. It would make the whole thing about him instead of the client.

Those people generally serve as water muddling obscurantists in opposition to the growth of fascism

t,been arrested for actual "hate crime" in diligent opposition to your faggotry

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Yeah you’d love to feel esoteric but it’s no harder to comprehend the concept of fascism than democracy.
Fascism is hypernationalism with an explicit concern for race. Goldy is a hypernationalist who has expressed explicit concern for her race.
Stop feeling yourself for having read books, we all have, check the board. And drop the ad hominems, they’re fine as spice to a meal, not fine when there is no meal. In other words, brainlet, you’ve said nothing of substance.

You could just read the text, it's not long. Wanting your race to not go extinct is not fascism, only white people are accused of being fascists for that

If Peterson is a catholic, why is he spending his evening with Zizek instead of praying?

>Those people generally serve as water muddling obscurantists in opposition to the growth of fascism
We disagree. The tattoo’d skinheads and KKK geezers will never pose a real threat. Fascists like Fuentes and Goldy who are clever enough to “play the game” are the biggest threat.

what do you mean they won't speak directly to each other?

he is a satanist

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He is trying to save his soul

...so what now?

because fucking nobody bothers with them
it's all very good to be the birthplace of daoism and chan buddhism, but if everyone's wittering on about faux-communism and vague folk religion then you can't do shit

>Wanting your race to not go extinct is not fascism
Not by itself no, because by itself it’s nothing more than a sentiment. But it requires fascism to achieve. You know this.

A diaogue.
Imagine them being separated by a wall and they both get a recorder and a script.
And once the other has finished recording their script, the recording is transferred to the other.

How long is this meant to be anyway?

it means each will give 30 minute speech. Each will give a 10 minute answer to the other's speech. and they they will answer public questions, but no back and forth

it's somewhere here at 12:44 time mark
youtube.com/watch?v=MTtwrqtBI00&t=12m44s

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now you need a new theory of revolution, if you still believe in that stuff

All it requires is freedom of association and no immigration, ie. US pre 65 immigration reform and Civil Rights

Fascism is a totalitarian system that isn't necessarily racial, Italy was not like Germany, very different from an apartheid republic

What a bunch of bullshit, I'm glad I'm not paying for this

following this i'm guessing between 1h30m to 2h

but Zizek is really old and tired, so he may try to cut it short for his health

World wide international socialism would work just as well, consider for the ethnic make up of east euro under the soviets vs europe under capitalism now
Now shoo boy, go do your tour of duty

there's free stream links on this thread if you don't want to finance Peterson's daughter's instathot life

He wasn't confused. He just thinks Social Democracy is literal Fascism for some reason.

Even if you totally shut the borders of America today (I’m assuming you’re American), you’d still end up a minority within fifteen years and the birth trends would continue to grow against you. It would require fascism to expunge the other races; and even if that were done peacefully, the act of closing down the borders and authoritatively expunging other races is textbook fascism.

It's the Socratic "noble lie" from his pov.

Noble ideals have already been imparted on the youth of today to oppose the globo homo, it's a pervasive influence extending all over an internet used by every young white person, all impatient of suffocating restraints placed on them in the physical world. You're an ignorant boomer if you think the KKK and neo-nazi stereotypes from the 90's are your trouble of tomorrow.

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Progressives don't control anything because when you are in control you are conservative. If you can't come up with a definition that doesn't include the New York Times and Council on Foreign Relations you're definition is useless.
What do you mean by "the right"? Who's on "the right"? Liberals or National Socialists? If the US military is the only place you find them and the most friendly institution then was ending conscription bad for the right? Boosting the role of the military over civilian institutions wouldn't necessarily even achieve what you think. Remember McCarthy said they were filled with commies to!

Allowing white people to live in their own cities and not be forced to rent to other races(freedom of association) would make it a moot point if they became minorities in the country. Allowing them to own guns would prevent minorities from attempting to victimize them as well

That’s true, but hardly representative of what Goldy had in mind.

the only thing that hasn't moved left is the economy, and the only reason for that is that the effects of the economy are felt immediately, so you don't get to play social engineering games where the consequences are paid far ahead in time so that you are gone once shit hits the fan

>You're an ignorant boomer if you think the KKK and neo-nazi stereotypes from the 90's are your trouble of tomorrow.
Indeed! You’re responding to a post in which I share the same sentiment.

Orthodox Marxist-Leninist position

>Stephen Hicks

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You are a true warrior of Allah.

The left want to get rid of hiearchies, the Right want to maintain them. In practice the 'left' once they get into power(ie the top of the hierarchy) obviously find that they can't get rid of hierarchy because that is literally how they can exert power in the first place as an agent.

they have different goals. Really there are few pure leftist(anarchists, some communists) or pure rightists(divine right patriarchal monarchy or whatever)

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Based and redpilled.

>on
Nice esl, faggot

>All it requires is freedom of association and no immigration, ie. US pre 65 immigration reform and Civil Rights
The majority of white people didn't want "freedom of association", they wanted and demanded laws on the books to outlaw race mixing in the early half of the century.
archive.org/details/DuBoisLothropStoddardDebate

Also immigration restrictions mean freedom of association is a falsity. You have to have a developed system of control to monitor people to accomplish it which will continuously ramp up to control more of everything.

White people will not be satisfied with that and you know it. Eventually they don't want to perform dirty work and have to get poors to do it for them and a system of apartheid develops. Also the history of the gun debate isn't good for your point:
theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Faith Goldy, Milo, Ben Shapiro etc are not only past the date of expiry for whatever influence they could've ever laid claim to among the minds of the white youth, but they've always also had as their principal audience old fellow Jewish boomers.
You don't have to look farther than your average American or European highschool to find the burgeoning generation zyklon raised on the internet among forums like 4channel.

> Eventually they don't want to perform dirty work and have to get poors to do it for them
imagine thinking and believing this LMAO

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You’re correct that Milo and Shapiro are irrelevant. But you’re incorrect if you think Goldy is of their ilk, or irrelevant.
As for your second threat of a Gen Z fascist uprising, let me give you a hint. The DSA isn’t Democratic. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress, and more coming. You’ll be too late, and civilian.

Then why exactly did the state find it necessary to force whites to rent to minorities?

If some whites want to live with minorities then they are perfecly welcome to, assuming said minorities want them there, and if others don't then they don't have to.

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Do people really think it's possible to whites go extinct?

The military is mostly white republican men btw. And the police. And the civilian gun owners

I personally don't find it plausible, but I think we are going to see 20th century Lebanon happen to a lot of white countries, which is pointless and retarded

No one wants to get rid of "hierarchies" as such. The argument is which are "good" and which are "bad". You can say the right is more patriarchal and the left is more matriarchal as a simplification. For example:

1. Patrist: Restrictive attitude to sex . Matrist: Permissive attitude to sex;
2. Patrist: Limitation of freedom for women . Matrist: Freedom for women;
3. Patrist: Women seen as inferior, sinful . Matrist: Women accorded high status;
4. Patrist: Chastity more valued than welfare . Matrist: Welfare more valued than chastity.;
5. Patrist: Politically authoritarian . Matrist: Politically Democratic;
6. Patrist: Conservative: against innovation . Matrist: Progressive: revolutionary;
7. Patrist: Distrust of research, enquiry . Matrist: No distrust of research;
8.Patrist: Inhibition, fear of spontaneity . Matrist: Spontaneity: exhibition;
9.Patrist: Deep fear of homosexuality . Matrist: Deep fear of incest;
10. Patrist: Sex differences maximised(dress) . Matrist: Sex differences minimised;
11. Patrist: Asceticism, fear of pleasure . Matrist: Hedonism, pleasure welcomed;
12. Patrist: Father-religion . Matrist: Mother religion;

>Patrist: Restrictive attitude to sex . Matrist: Permissive attitude to sex;
Fucking why would that be the allocation

>let me give you a hint. The DSA isn’t Democratic. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress, and more coming. You’ll be too late, and civilian.
No idea what you're implying with any of this, or the silly threat at the end. Why'd you call me a civilian as well? LARPing faggot.

That’s a basic bitch point and you know it. Everyone is a conformist. When the powers that be tell them to jump they say how high. That’s civilian, military, whatever.
We’re also not dumb and hamfisted. We’re not going to take power and fly a communist flag over the whitehouse while declaring on white men or whatever you’re thinking. It will be a gradual process spearheaded by a charismatic. You’re flat unfamiliar with history, revolutions are frequent and today’s first world isn’t specially exempt.

He's false flagging. Actual people from leftypol hate the DSA and socdems.

>No idea what you're implying with any of this
Yes, I discerned by how you started our engagement with a mindbogglingly total misunderstanding of one of my posts that you weren’t the sharpest.

That is a very bizarre way to look at politics. Matriarchies(have we ever seen a complex matriarchy?) would have no reason to do lots of that stuff. It seems like you're just shoehorning stuff into the categories

The Right is undoubtedly patriarchal, but that's because patriarchy was one of the forms of hierarchy it sought to maintain.

>For example, can a kind user provide me with material of/from Zizek with details on his view on contingent action/free will?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSgl4WgN7hc

Thank God for buttpiracy.

If youre familiar with history then you should be aware of what the likely outcome of your revolution is. It's going to be a dictator murdering most of you for being counter revolutionaries

Not at all. I can assure you that I’m legit and that I know what I’m talking about.
Random anons hating the DSA are just that, random anons. They see what’s happening on the surface and rightly prefer something more authoritarian. They don’t even understand that a game is being played, let alone how.

Excuse me if your implication that Faith Goldy is some sort of threatening paragon of fascism that the alt right are rallying around was too beyond the pale of retardation for me to accept as your or anyone's true and genuine belief. I give you brain addled faggots too much credit to think of you as more than the typical lemming you'd find at a fuck drumpf rally in burgerland. kill urself lol

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Succdems did propup fascists in Germany

This thread is evidence that Western political thought is a disaster. There is no salvaging it.

To promote integration as a political objective. (I'm not saying this was right or not) Most white people wanted "states rights" not "freedom of association", don't pretend otherwise. Freedom of association means no "states rights" and total anarchy.

Wow so true, just like Nicholas II. Stellar argument.

Imagine unironically paying to go see this

Based and pihlosopilled.

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>live in 8 hours
Is that correct?

Commies go on about how much cooler they are than DSA or shitliberalism but guess who they’re happily lining up to vote for when push comes to shove?
It’d be like an isolationist or nu-right type saying “fuck principles” and cheerleading John McCain because uhhhh at least he’s better than Barack *Hussein* Obama aka “BO”

You cannot be serious, you want to bring up the Bolsheviks as an example of a revolution going well?

AOC is commonly known as one of the worst politicians even among Dem voters. Her Eco-fascist meme project got 0-53'd by Senate. She can be the next Warren at best.

>I know my shit
You really don't newfriend, now go do your two year tour of duty on /pol/ thanks in advance comr8
Remember to take a copy of Dialectical and Historical materialism with you

If that were the case Clinton wouldve been president by now

... considering it was successful... yes... I would bring it up as such an example...

>You really don't newfriend
If I told you my name you would know it, can’t say the same about you. But keep posturing anonymously if it makes you feel better.

If you honestly think Fascism can exist within Angloid society, which is characterized by its fundamentally backward view of how authority relates to society, you are hopeless, a janissary of liberal Progessivism.

I think turning the dying shithole of Europe into the 2nd world superpower within 3 decades is quite a success

It was successful for the people that weren't murdered yeah, are you going to be one of those?

4m followers. First time congresswoman at 29.
The bill got rejected because politicians on both sides of the aisle are paid for. This has no bearing on her electability or revolutionary potential. Use common sense.

>If I told you my name you would know it,

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Russia isn't a superpower.

You mean turning a country with a functioning culture, people, and aristocracy into a murderous inefficient hellhole by just pouring serfs into a meatgrinder

well I know what I'm doing tonight
thanks user

>If I told you my name you would know it
Go on then, also a photo with a shoe on your head with a timestamp

>. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress
and traps taking over as soon as you gain any relevance, like it already happened in plenty of small DSA organizations

Ideally.

you know what they say, paris is the beirut of europe

Just got to avoid those purges comrade, good luck with that. Assuming your gay little group arent the modern Mensheviks, and some other part of the intersectional homo cabal doesn't get the jump on you

buttkrieg

The USSR was.
I love how you lumped aristocracy into the bundle as if thats a good thing, neck yourself monarchist cuck

and that's a good thing, here's why

the way you see it is wrong friendo. you skipped a few hundred years

Are you seriously bragging about smashing a woman?
Jesus Christ dude at least man up and go after the bankers or the oil companies or something, at least then you'd get some real respect.

the last tickets costed something like $1500, not sure if anybody bought it though

feels scummy literally squeezing bugmen like that

I’m a woman. I didn’t do it personally, using the royal we.

Truly based

Aristocracies are the only social organizations that have ever created higher art or philosophy. I get people like you hate that stuff because it makes you feel inferior and you want everybody to be a homogenous grey mass

>I’m a woman.
You aren't, stop larping

but Dems have memed themselves too hard, now they have no weapon against AOC without looking like literal Drumpf
>For nearly four years, members of America’s ruling class, especially those in the media, the academy and government, have operated on one central, unquestioned assumption: orange man bad.
nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/barr-media-trump.html

Trans "women" aren't women.

do you like being choked in bed

holy shit, imagine thinking the father of German Idealism is a materialist lmaoing at your life. Unironically recommend you read the Transcendental Analytic just to see how wrong you are.

>Just got to avoid those purges comrade, good luck with that.
That would be you.

>Aristocracies are the only social organizations that have ever created higher art or philosophy.
This has to be a troll. There is no way this isn't a troll.

Yeah no Communist party members were ever purged

>I’m a woman.
you'll never be

Why do you prefer rule by intelligence agency to rule by a king/aristocracy? (Yes, communism and progressivism are in fact "rule by intelligence agency")

What is the century of humiliation for $300, Alex

Evola already won
>Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential...

>I’m a woman.
oh no no no the absolute state of the demsacks and commies itt

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but what about a bunch of paint splatters on a wall? or a bunch of dildos glued together? or a toilet in a musem?

i bet you could never come up with anything that

REPORTED TO MODS AND AUTHORITIES

>The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical;
A lot of people pointed this out from 1850-1950

You’re assuming that what has been is absolutely necessarily what will be. You’re wrong. We won’t be as clumsy and hamfisted as the Soviets.

well, they burned their own traditional stuff to "de-humiliate" themselves, which they did, but it doesn't seem to have used a lot of "eastern wisdom" exactly

Can you share some names?

How much did they cost at the start?

he was the best of us

but the ideology of revolution is still the same: the utopia is just a few more murders ahead

>it will be different this time
Even if you win for a bit, what if you get Robespierre'd after a few years by some group you never even thought of?

The thing about revolution- it is messy, it's chaotic, it creates power vacuums for dictators. Your best case scenario is what USSR 2.0 with less purges? So an empire that lasted 70 years while being outcompeted by fat Amerilels

Yeah I didn't assume you did it personally, sweetheart, and I don't give a fuck about what gender you are.
All I said was you're bragging about taking down a target a kid who got his growth spurt early could've managed.
If you actually want to make change then go after the people who actually count and who are actually making the world a tangibly worse place. If you punched one of these oil magnates instead, who are actively shitting all over the planet, or these Wall Street bankers who fuck up whole countries so they can make a quick buck, you people would actually be liked.
Instead you brag about taking down a woman who barely did shit. Well done.

>we won't be as clumsy as the Soviets
>American
Oh no no no no.

do you really think french and Russian revolution didn't bring any long term changes in human lives?

Nock, Cram, Chesterton, Pobedonostsev. Basically anyone shilling for some sort of spiritual or cultural value instead of economic, material markers

probably something ridiculous if the livestream already costs $14.95 USD

ummmm that'd be anti-semitic though

nothing of value except toilets and dildos in museums

Yeah and why don’t we nuke Israel as well, we’re really lacking.
Progress is a ladder. We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means.
You’re also framing it as if I claimed Goldy’s head and paraded it around as our most illustrious accomplishment. She’s not nothing, for sure, but I very simply referenced her when someone else said we don’t actually go after fascists. She’s just an example of the fact that we do. Not the summation of all our efforts.

$1000, these kikes think they're the rolling stones

but are literally being used as the crash forces for bankers and corporations

Progress is a meme you inherited from the old Christian concept of Providence. History does not tend towards progress

You are just children burning capital

retard or underage?

I reflect recent scholarly opinion on the matter, kiddo

technological progress is real, social progress is not

>Progress is a ladder. We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means.
You have the means already, you lack the will
>She’s just an example of the fact that we do
Nah, she's a glaring example of the fact that you don't

>literally import brown workers
Can we honestly stop saying that, fucking nowhere in the world are foreigners being "imported" and in every state there currently is a migration crisis governments are making it more harder to migrate or get granted asylum or are trying their damned hardest to boot migrants out of the country.

Who? You dropped a preposition.

me first

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>tfw deaf
Gotta wait for a while before I get to watch it with YouTube's captions.

imagine unironically believing in the enlightenment meme in the current year of our lord and savior

*tap* *tap *tap*

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More importantly, the power structure is essentially the same in the US and USSR. In the USSR you have the Party central committee as a ruling elite, in the US you have social clubs centered around universities which act as feeders for the equivalent of the Party. The CIA/KGB are the core instrument of governance. Both have a materialist worldview and both have led the way in social engineering.

lol, are you from the past or you memeing me?

Thank you fren

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imagine lip-reading Zizek

>reading comprehension
latent, brainlet. Latent.

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>everything gets commoditized & transactional at the expense of everything else
>b-but there are other things in life than markets, hence capitalism irrelevant, we don't need to do anything about it, goyim
Evola confirmed neoliberal shill.

Youtube has captions for streams, it's less precise though

Are YOU memeing me?
Nobody is "importing" immigrants.

UAE construction or Japan fishing industry objectively does though.

Evola would presumably ride his tiger in a socialist regime as well. he doesn't care is the point

Sounds like a copetard to me

Zizek is an accelerationist.

what about this?

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Yeah, sure buddy, because those are the places people mean when they talk about "importing brown people".

So?
There will be no vacuum in America, any more than there was after Lenin. In fact, less so.

You get that Evola's entire thing is about a metaphysical world beyond the material? If youre going to call him cope, that would be where you start

zizek barely knows what's a car

would you be more psyched for Zizek on Rogan than Zizek vs. Peterson? I probably would

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that an ideology centered around killing people will kill people

Because the west kidnapped the east at gun point in the last ~300 years?
WE forced modernity on them. Its not a flaw of them that they werent able to resist

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While the observation "consumerism is bad" is correct (though about as insightful as "living in society"), Evola doesn't offer much theory to counter the market effects (while certain strains of socialism/fascism do) which are the inherent to loss of spirituality & tradition. The stance of "focus on spirituality & tradition, markets are irrelevant" doesn't make much sense.

Are you actually so childish you think your revolution(which is almost certainly not going to happen) is going to end in the first ever peaceful and just society in all of human history? I get that you're a woman but just be serious for a second here

I understand that, I just don’t know why you’re saying it. Is there a point you’re trying to make beyond stating the obvious?

It’s because patriarchies are the only societies that can survive so they’re the only ones you’ll encounter.

Of course not, but it will be a massive improvement. (And it will happen. The pieces are already in place. Pay closer attention.)

They're unlikely to be a woman judging by the writing style

Evola's stuff is directed at a small minority of people who would sort of 'retract' from society and live in a spiritual plane, meaning the mode of production is irrelevant. He doesnt really care about the masses

As I understand it(not very well) the esoteric traditions are just these tiny little secret groups carrying on amid a vulgar public

Does this have a bump limit?

you seemed to imply here that this revolution would purge less people for some reason in response to this

>Evola's entire thing is about a metaphysical world beyond the material
Sounds like cope

>it will be a massive improvement.
highly doubtful
> (And it will happen. The pieces are already in place
if you stick dynamite under a bridge you can be assured the bridge is going up, but the end configuration of rubble is pretty hard to predict

Testing

I see! My assumption was that your implication was that (stay with me) there would be Stalinesque purges within the party itself. I’m saying there won’t be because Stalin was Stalin and not only have we learned better, but nobody else is Stalin. There will be purges but they will be outward, not inward.

Not that user but, why are you such a pussy? It's not a revolution if it doesn't involve bloodbath.

Do you really think rampant immigration is a left conspiracy? Jesus Christ, /pol/tards truly are the worst.

hey alright

Socialism is better than capitalism, communism is better than socialism. If you’re on the side of capitalism you’re brainwashed.

>hey will be outward, not inward.
you'll find you have a really hard time defining that. Especially if your group are taken from the modern intersectional Left, which I dont see how you couldnt be.

Also you could get someone much worse than Stalin

Socialism as far as I know has never existed, there have just been a handful of dictators with weird totalitarian economic plans, so where are you taking your belief that it's better from?

Have you lived in a socialist state?

Apparently not
>being this naive
Purges are for getting rid of people who don't get it within the party, there's no point purging outsiders, outside is where you go when you get purged
Now off you go son, do your two years of duty grownups are talking

>you'll find you have a really hard time defining that.
The party will be clearly defined and unambiguous (DSA when we drop the D). Anyone outside of it counts as “outward”.
>Also you could get someone much worse than Stalin
We could, we could also get obliterated by a moonsized meteor. Neither are close to likely.

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are you from new york?

Theoretically. I know the memes. It hasn’t been done yet.
Come on.

>Socialism, as far as I know, has never existed
Yes, because socialism cant exists, at least, Keynesian capitalism exists.

Had there been any actual discussion in this thread yet? I'm in midwest, when does the stream start?

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How absolutely arsemad must you be to make this comment
Americans truly disgust me

lmao zizek btfo

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And you're certain everybody in the DSA is really on your side, and wont ever betray you? You think you can just get rid of politics and intrigue? Have you even opened a history book? Stalin was not a worst case scenario, he actually functioned somewhat, you could get way more retarded outcomes

"I claim none of them and at the same time all of them" is like pre-socratic 101

Can u imagine unironically using your faith in humanity as the spinal cord of your ideology?
Don't make me laugh user.

What else are you supposed to use? All ideologies I can think of other than perhaps certain forms of anarchism are based around some assumption as to how humanity acts at its basic level.

>Theoretically.
you're willing to bet your future and life on a 150 year old economic theory with no evidence of it ever existing?

Faith in something higher than humanity retard

It won’t be perfect, it will just be cleaner is all I mean.
I’m very familiar with Soviet history and I can assure you that Stalin went above and beyond to secure *his* station. His interest was more in himself than the party. He had his best friend killed just because he thought there might be a day people like him more.

you're either from some self loathing american or some angery anlgocuck. Other countries don't matter

>some assumption as to how humanity acts at its basic level.
The actual evidence here is that humans form hierarchical groups that ruthlessly exploit each other. That,s all large scale societies we have ever known of. You're blindly betting on that formula changing after you and friends murder some elites and try to take control of an unfathomably complex civilization.

I mean yeah? Why not? Humanity is politics, to be human is to politic. I’m just politicking in the direction I believe to be ideal.

And Stalin wasn't executed. Lots of other revolutionaries end in a ditch after a few years in power

Like Karl Marx?

You don't know what the fuck I think you stupid internet debater
You believe humanity naturally must act in that way for whatever reason, is my point. So what else should you base your ideology on? actually made a point, which I hadn't considered (e.g. God), mostly because nobody does that nowadays.

"Communsim" in the US will be Lula da Silva + doubling down on American race psychosis.

Uh, today's capitalism. The Capitalist component acts more or less according to Darwinism and the state ensures more or less a general wellness of the population.
I don't want anarcho-capitalism, but something similar would be great.

Wow, talk about feminist mantra.

Homophobia: Christianity. Ton of past tribal patriarchies untouched by abrahamic religions were homosocial.
Spontaneity, Innovation: Dubious, especially when risks are involved. Women paradoxically prefer custom, homogenity and harmony. Men far more likely to be outliers (intellectual, social) than women. Virtually all research is result of male "competition" and the instinct to triumph over other men intellectualy, not by getting comfy with the way things are as women tend to be.
Sex differences: Present in both, to delineate gender boundaries.
Politically democratic: Deep ignorance how matriarchies actually function. Men still control politics, because violence is politics. Matriarchies function by strictly delineating politics from capital. In matriarchy, women control material and reproductive capital, but not war.
Authoritarian: All known matriarchies are tribal. Matrons indeed form "inner circle" council democracy (avoids violence), as opposed to single chief (succession by violence). Beyond leadership, proles exist regardless of which gender is dominant. They are separate caste and overwhelmingly bound by gender specific customs in either case.
Hedonism: Indeed the rare cases of matriarchies arise only in places with abundant resources and scarce inter-tribal conflict.

Never mind, we seem to be autosaging now

There's another thread in case

Politics is a waste of brain cells

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>Why not?
because that's insane. All reason points towards you a)failing, or b) setting up something probably worse than what we have now

I don't get it

Keep in mind we’re far more technologically advanced than the Soviets were. Imagine revolting successfully against the US today, even as it is; imagine it when we’re in power. There will be no possibility of significant opposition. Everything will be monitored and bugged and if necessary droned.

>for whatever reason,
The reason being all evidence.

If you believe humans are otherwise, state your case instead of getting butthurt

So you actually want 1984 just so some people arent richer than you

>the reason being all the evidence
What possible relevance does this have? This isn't about whether there's evidence or not. This is about YOU and everybody else except ISIS basing your ideologies on how you think humanity acts.

I bet you think I'm a Communist, lmao

>blanquism
Good luck kid, you'll need it

a) is irrelevant, what do you care if we try and fail? As for us, striving to make the world a better place seems common sense. b) is your opinion and it’s wrong. If you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto yet you really should. Don’t just sneer at it because the media and the masses brainwashed by it tell you to. Read it and see. I’ve read Mein Kampf, Dugin and Evola. I’m not ignorant, I’m right.

I dont know what you think because you wont just say it.

And if you think evidence is not relevant in deciding how to think of humans I have no idea what to tell you. No shit everybody bases their ideologies on their beliefs about reality. That doesn't mean the beliefs are all of equal value

What's the mass line, kid

Are you the person suggesting that the state should monitor and bug the entire population? Is that your idea of a better world

>how you think humanity acts.
Pretty much this. Although it is how you think you act in conjunction to how you think humanity acts as well.

Fuck niggers.

America is owned by bankers and brainwashed by corporations. You have no conception of how significant those things are or how seriously they bog dow our potential and quality of life. The 1984 aspect is only to prevent opposition and preserve the newfound freedom, equality and quality of life.
So technically yes, but really no.

Because this isn't an argument about which ideology happens to be right you stupid fucker. It's not about HOW you think humanity acts. It's about the fact that you DO think about how humanity acts, and that's what you base your ideology on, just as it is in Marxism.

It's obvious you're desperate to prove how right your ideology is in an internet argument, but I just couldn't give two shits about it.

China is currently in the process of proving that capitalism works best under a totalitarian regime. Once it exceeds everyone in military power and takes on collective West's (personified in America) role of pushing political agenda from a position of uncontestable power how will your view of capitalism change? Will you submit to your chinese overlords or will you try to fight them because DEMOCRACY GOOD?

Im well aware that America is fucked up the ass by various elites. I don't think 1984 is preferable to that just because it would reduce inequality(it wouldnt anyway, your Party would be in control and would undoubtedly give itself luxuries)

Do you even hear yourself, you want to take away people's freedom to give them freedom?

Why would I want a totalitarian regime?

It will work until their country collapses from overextension

Nobody ever disagreed that people base their ideologies on their beliefs, and that was at no time the subject of this conversation.

You dont want to talk about your beliefs because you dont want to have to defend them.

Because you will be forced to want it.

It was from the outset, but you wanted to make it about your huge dick swinging internet quagmire which will convince absolutely nobody to switch sides.
>You dont want to talk about your beliefs because you dont want to have to defend them.
That's what I literally told you, user, well done.

This is the attitude a lot of the left has these days: “we feel that something would better if everyone believed a certain way, so we will propagandize and try to utilize social pressure to make everyone believe it.”

Do women seriously interpret having to defend their beliefs as an attack? Why are you here, why are you even posting

>I don't think 1984 is preferable to that just because it would reduce inequality
It would do a lot more than that. For one tiny example, since we’re on Yea Forums, what motivation would James Patterson have in a Communist society? Or any other grifter posing as an artist? The increasing dominance of hackneyed milquetoast Disney? The arts would see a dramatic revival and the consequences for American spirit and intellect would be unimaginable. That’s just one tiny example.
As for the 1984 nonsense, first of all it’s a work of fiction that’s paraded around in the real world a little too often. Second it’s already the case.

Because I thought you said something monumentally stupid and I wanted to see whether you'd realise it was stupid or not

That’s not me. There are others in the thread.

Do you think Handel made good art? He did it under a very Right wing government

You made no point except 'people base their ideologies on their beliefs', something incredibly obvious that nobody even disagreed with you about.

>I don't want to change the subject, I want to focus on the main topic we were talking about
>HURR WOMAN WHY CAN'T YOU DEAL WITH ARGUMENT
galactic brain user

Once again, that was not at any time the subject being discussed

You disagreed with it lmao because you assumed I was a dirty communist challenging your worldview
But I'm glad you've come around. I guess you did realise it was stupid.

The political wings are irrelevant, I’m talking strictly about the case of modern society under late stage capitalism. There’s a reason you had to reach back several hundred years, funny that the irony didn’t immediately hit you.

I wouldnt have to assume if you werent terrified of just stating your view

All this is reminding me of is Engel's argument that state capitalism creates a precursor to socialism, in modern marxist terms it heightens the contradiction between labor and capital
And no kid, I would't recognise your name, your arguments are too insubstantial and fluffy for you to be someone I'd pay attention to

The arts started declining alongside the rise of democracy just as much as capitalism. you just assume it's capitalism that causes everything you dislike

I feel like what I said is easy to understand and common sense and you’re obfuscating. The link between grifters posing as artists for financial gain and capitalism is not hard to discernZ

You've already agreed with me. Why would I continue this argument? Are you really this desperate to prove yourself?
All I have left to say is this: FUCK niggers

It’s AOC dummy, we all kno that on the dl right

the Party central committee will just take over for the people who own banks and corporations. With that said, the Intel agencies are already spying on you and curating all culture. No different than the USSR.

Typically people will just state their opinion and their reason for thinking it. you could have already done so with less effort like 5 posts ago

Literally who?

holy shit i read her posts back in aocs voice and definitely hear it

>The link between grifters posing as artists for financial gain and capitalism is not hard to discernZ
No it's not, but it's not at all clear that that's what caused traditional high art to break down either. Schoenberg wasn't trying to sell records

Yes, but it'd just be a repeat of the thousand previous internet arguments I've been in. It's boring. Usually I just don't bother with these threads, but I've never talked about how Marxism and, say, conservative monarchism are both based on the same assumption (human nature should drive policy). Even if it's not exactly a stunning insight.

It’s easy to see that it has a debilitating effect. All the most prominent “artists” and “artistic works” purely product. Take out the financial incentive and you’ll get the real artists and the real arts.

And she straight ducked this

Pop music is in large part product, but also in large part a social phenomenon based on how the masses interact with each other. It is very different than Bach composing cantatas for church organs

There are plenty of rich musicians who could make whatever they would like, and when they choose to make stuff that doesn't sell, they end up in random avant garde experimentation, they dont invent the String quartet

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Go on Joe Rogan AOC

Honestly I think there might be some hope for the finnish left in the next few years. Many on the more climate focused left have started to flirt with worker self management and ownership in last few months. There might even be a chance for greens moving leftswards or splintering as they see sdp and centrists dragging their feet on climate action. In addition many of the young climate strike people are radicalizing even quicker.

holy SHIT

>We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means.
You fucking morons are already willing to break the law but you aren't willing to target the big banks when you do? What a fucking joke.
You people are being used as useful idiots to divide and conquer. The one thing the far right and the left have in common is a hatred of these corporations and banks and the way they sell out their fellow man, and instead of using that common ground to get shit done you make sure both sides waste energy attacking each other and never unite against the real assholes.

>We’ll decide who are the fascists
The absolute state of antifa.

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>Peterson has more order in his ideas
"I-I've added a dash of o-order eh, that oughta s-spice up the night.. heheh...heh..."

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>Noble ideals have already been imparted on the youth of today
Holy shit having this much faith in the modern abortion hahahahahah fascists are a fucking joke

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