Tfw right wing but find myself completely agreeing with Marxist critiques of capitalism and modernity

Are you so dumbthat you don't understand Marx himself was fucking racist

>left wing but disgusted by vulgar marxism and actually an aristocrat
books for this feel?

You are a minority and you are NOT welcome in the modern Left, as it has become more of an echo room for First World histeria like transvestites, diversity and dumb people affairs.

You'll unironically find console in the writtings of Gottfried Feder, John Maynard Keynes, Malthus and Karl Marx himself. You fit the bill of what an actual 'Fascist' would be.

Here's another question. Do you believe the State is the only entity that can make the individual realize his fullest potential?

Only brainlets think that Marx was a leftist.
He is a libertarian hero.

No.

No, he fucking didn't. His economy plan was closer to the URSS than America. There are literal anti capitalist quotes from hitler

*sigh*

Then, you're not a fascist, and I would also suggest for you to read the works of Ernst Junger.

>Did someone say Alasdair MacIntyre?

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Not OP, but feels comfy
I don't give a fuck about the "lib" agenda, just want human dignity and regulated companies world wide.
FUCK SHELL

counter-currents.com/2012/11/two-volumes-by-gottfried-feder/

youtube.com/watch?v=Qwy26ABoPW0

>We must take from the right nationalism without capitalism and from the left socialism without internationalism.
Gregor Strasser

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Niekisch
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

counter-currents.com/2012/11/two-volumes-by-gottfried-feder/

counter-currents.com/2012/08/the-german-conservative-revolution-and-its-legacy/

youtube.com/watch?v=h08jdLoHBac (ironically has ads/monetized)

ditch the left/right spectrum all-together, it's retarded.
You can be socially conservative, anticapitalist, anti-inmigration and whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't contradict yourself pretty much

counter-currents.com/2012/08/the-german-conservative-revolution-and-its-legacy/

>His economy plan was closer to the URSS than America
I would fucking LOVE seeing you try to prove this

Hitler executed socialists. What do you think that poem was about

Nationalsocialism isn't a type of socialism, it's an incompatible alternative with cute branding, like almond milk or onions milk aren't types of milk

>regulated companies
You're a liberal. Your agenda's not any different from George Bush or Barack Obama.

Stalin executed socialists too

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this

>2019
>Thinking restricting capitalist institutions is liberal
>Being this entrenched in the political Zeitgeist

Evil man. Evil wife.
That picture with the porn star and the child on the floor in the background enraged me. They are evil. Devil worshippers.

The one with Riley.

Peter Hitchens is such a retard. What a miserable, dour prick.

Both Hitchens were retards.
Rich daddy opened doors.

Hitler was not socialist you fucking retard. He hated socialism

>actual stresserism
How's your neck, Greg?

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Sounds like Italian Facism to me

>that second video
literally one of the cringiest things ever, how to people take this gay shit seriously

>National Socialist
>Hated Socialism

Ok I’ll bite that he hated international socialism, but he clearly wasn’t a Rothbardian.

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YER SO RIGHT WING YER LEFT WING THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SURPLUS VALUE THEORY TO ME FELLA AND YOU SOUND LIKE A MARXIST

God damn, you fucking retard. Fascism is uber anti-leftism, socialism and Marxism. What the FUCK are you thinking?

I’ll second Ernst Jünger. Eumeswil, in particular. I definitely identify with Jünger’s ‘anarch’ figure.

Mein Kampf

It's a step closer to understanding that life is not right or left, black and white but infinite shades of grey.

Christian communist?

Neoconservatism was created by Marxists like Irving Kristol.

If that's the case, then creating and separating knowledge, beliefs, and feelings into clear-cut categories infinitely for the sake of ordering and understanding our world is ultimately a pointless endeavor. What do?

Ussr was capitalist too u fucking simpleton

fascism criticized capitalism from a moral perspective, not an economic one.
Capitalism puts profits before people, this is why your nation is flooded with third worlders. Not because of jews. The bourgeois make profit of cheap slave labor.

Capitalism is not congruent with upholding traditions. As marx said "all that is solid melts into air"

The republican party (neocons) have not conserved one thing, not socially, culturally, racially. The things their electorate pine for no longer exist and american conservatism is actually kind of hauntological when you think about it.
The idea you will have some steady job, a wife, kids, a white picket fence, the wife being a stay at home mother, in a racially and culturally homogeneous nation etc. Just doesnt exist anymore

But the capitalists sure did make a lot of money by outsourcing the factories and bringing in non white slave labour to fill the jobs that couldnt be outsourced.

Dont feel bad about it, the systems rigged, the democrats are the same evil, but in the color blue

Read a fucking book tard

state capitalist*

What are some books for this feel?

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NAZBOL GANG

>Capitalism puts profits before people, this is why your nation is flooded with third worlders. Not because of jews. The bourgeois make profit of cheap slave labor.

Israel is a capable of restricting immigration from undesirable countries. It's about the will of the elite and nothing more.

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Mark Fisher, Zizek, Marx, and... Bordiga. In that order.

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yes and? A lot of leftists call israel a fascist apartheid state

before moving on, you need to take a breather and recognize how stupid you are. Then you will think twice the next time you catch yourself slipping towards partisan ideology. You need to be humble.
I'm not a christfag but unironically the gospels. Love will save you.

I think his point is that Capitalism isn't flooding Israel with immigrants

me on the right

Umm sweetie, Israel is using capitalism to annex Palestine. Thus flooding Israel with Jewish migrants.

idk i just wish i was a Jew and could live in Israel

yet israel doesn't place in the 20 strongest global economies (one of which is mexico ffs). they don't produce or manufacture demanded goods, or support any major industries. powerful capitalism relies on exploitable immigrant labor

Bread book

You're unironically major retards and should stop using this board. Fascism is a heterodox mutation of national syndicalism and its strain of thinking was promulgated by such revolutionary luminaries as Primo de Rivera and Edmondo Rossoni. Fascist syndicalists were less concerned with mediating between the classes than hitting back at "bourgeoisie nations" and vampiric industrialists. Mussolini's producerist ethos ensured that the extent of nationalization in Fascist Italy was second only to the USSR by 1939. Autarkic and protectionist trade policy was the norm.

National Socialism isn't fascism, but it emerged as a similar type of non-internationalist workers' party and its 25 point-programme was at least nominally committed to the nationalization of banks and redistribution of private property. Goebbels in his private writings preferred an alliance with the USSR than with the capitalist-plutocratic powers. Obviously the most radical of these sentiments were tempered after 1933, but even in power the Nazis pursued massive public works programs and protectionism.

basically if you think the only options are a command economy and laissez-faire you are wrong.

Jesus Christ. Conquest of bread

NAZBOL GANG

But really either brocialist or Blue Labour will suit you if you are just mad at SJW and shit

just go to /leftypol/

I'm laughing.

Because that guy clearly has an advanced degree but is wasting his time trying to explain things to Yea Forums?

good post, appreciate you wasting your time here

>Obviously the most radical of these sentiments were tempered after 1933, but even in power the Nazis pursued massive public works programs and protectionism.
That's a very convenient way of saying that they purged the actual anti-capitalist faction and privatized a lot of shit once in power

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Retarded take but it's pretty brave to openly admit your identity on this board mister Shapiro.

Maybe discover what it is that makes you 'right wing'. Cause if it's just racism I'm gonna have to advise you to go to a gun range and have an accident.

Lolno. Just cause he uses a lot of words and knows some history doesn't mean his analysis of it isn't retarded.

Whereas your 'im laughing' shows you understand the subject. Just fuck off with your shitposts

Lol, I didn't even make the 'Im laughing' post. Anyhow: me not taking the time to write an elaborate reply on a post on a board that will maybe get watched by 50 people doesn't mean that his reply isn't retarded.

Yes, the SA was purged of beefsteak Nazis, Rohm was killed and the Strassers neutralized. But it is not analytically fruitful to simply say they "privatized a lot of shit", which dismisses the ideological program that attracted them to the Nazi Party in the first place and also ignores the fact that large sectors of the economy were managed by the state in service of reducing unemployment, that the productive capacity of major industrial firms were subordinated to the demands of the state, and that the entire economic rationale of Lebensraum was not only racial purification but also economic self-sufficiency. They were not Marxian socialists, but they were not individualists either.

Anybody can throw a word salad in someone's face and look smart, that's how Peterson made his entire career. Doesn't mean it holds any merrit.

same but there solutions are contradictory and impractical

>But it is not analytically fruitful to simply say they "privatized a lot of shit"
One can nitpick the amount of privatization, but the fact not only did they did, but was so unorthodox that the word had to be coined just for them shows that such action is a huge deviation of the times and should be factored into the Nazism.

>Marxian socialists, but they were not individualists either.
Sure but they are much closer to capitalists than they are to socialists

Have you ever once read a book by anyone who advocates anything in the realm of fascism? Right-wing socialism was incredibly common in both Europe and Japan in the early 20th century.

that depends on how you see it hitler hated banks, centural planning, non competitive market but also wanted to replace the currency backed by the labor of the nation (kinda like labor theory of value) liked workers unions, public works and hated communism. also kinda gave leagal presidents to the idea of private property If you were to ask me he wanted a syestem that would make german super power

not just stalin but any left wing coop must fulfill the no true leftist idea read homage to catalonia by george orwell

>anti marxist means anti socialist
>thinking marx made socialism

If the goal was to maximize the realization of individual potential, the State would be the best way to achieve that goal

I think to look at it as a matter of degree rather than a matter of kind is mistaken. The state played a role in the economy that would make any libertarian of the classical variety more than uncomfortable, but the National Socialists clearly pulled back on their most revolutionary redistributionist ideas after attaining power. In many cases the state chose to subsidize private enterprise. It was neither capitalist nor socialist.

Conservative trade unionist type. A pretty solid position desu, so long as it doesn't end up becoming a gateway for either more internationalist socialism or, conversely, nativist chauvinism.

Georges Sorel desu

warosu.org/lit/thread/S12956943

He thinks this was basically Marx's unintended position as well

>The state played a role in the economy that would make any libertarian
triggering the libertarians epic style isn't exclusively anti-captialist
>In many cases the state chose to subsidize private enterprise
Isn't exclusively anti-captialist and definitely not socialist either

>triggering the libertarians epic style isn't exclusively anti-captialist

I said of the classical variety.

>Isn't exclusively anti-captialist and definitely not socialist either

My point.

i'm far left (or pretend to be) and am beginning to become more right wing about social wedge issues and identity politics, islamophillia (don't think it's a thread but it's a garbage religion), etc.

there are some good right wing critiques of modernity. lasch, (allan) bloom, lewis. (would be interested in hearing others)

it'd be nice if they kept that tradition of conservatism up instead of the spew of garbage they lobby at their strawman versions of "cultural marxism" and "pomo"

>labour vouchers totally aren't money guys ~ kropotkin

This is mostly a problem with semantics. A lot of the times when people talk about "capitalism" they don't necessarily mean "free-market economics" (which as you rightly point out the Nazis didn't utilise), but rather the underlying psychological belief that hierarchies based on wealth can and should exist.

And to that end, the Nazis were absolutely capitalist. They did, on one level, promote "class solidarity" (only through the effective use of scapegoats, mind you), but you can eat your hat now if you ever think they would've let some upstart pissant worker from the Ruhr demand greater wages or shorter hours in the interest of economic fairness once the glorious war was said and done.

read Spengler's Prussianism and Socialism.

>the underlying psychological belief that hierarchies based on wealth can and should exist.

i’m not even sure lefties believe this if i can make a product faster and at a better quality than another person can I not produce more wealth than the other person there for have higher wealth than him introducing a higher-arch

proudhon

Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno.

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>tfw right wing
>find myself completely agreeing with Marxist critiques of capitalism and modernity
Ask yourself this: why do you consider yourself right wing and why do you agree with Marxist critiques?

If I had to guess, it is because you aren't really right wing but have identified with it because you wish to troll liberals and the so-called "SJWs."

I'm in the same boat.
I'd suggest reading anything by Adorno. His writing on the culture industry, with Horkheimer, is really good. They discuss the commodification of culture, which then necessarily leads to the destruction of some regional, national and ethnic traditions as they aren't competitive in the market against globally mass produced icons of culture (ie. American consumerist culture being exported globally)

What a reductionist view of someone you have no clue about.

Don't be so cynical. There are legitimate critiques of capitalism that must be addressed for the right, namely that it subverts and destroys traditions, and neocons want to bury their heads in the sand on this fact. This schizophrenic unity of capitalism and tradition is why they are completely inept at conserving anything.

You might find yourself closer to national-conservatives like Salazar. Conservatives worldwide have long criticized capitalism

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So you're a leftist who hates brown people? That's OK. The old left was kind-of like that too.

americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/08/conservative-critiques-of-capitalism/

socially conservative Marxist.
Why is that so hard for you American fuck heads to understand.
Being racist is fucking stupid, but a lot of socialists in asian countries are more or less socially conservative.

is this what Americans get taught in school?
fucking idiots

No, it's not.
Do your research on that term you idiot.
The USSR was only state-capitalist for a small period of time. it's a fucking term used against them by imperialists and the fucking trots. Same with calling the USSR under Stalin a dictatorship of bureaucracy

based
And the jewish migrants are essential to prop up israel and maintain its occupation

I have seen this with a lot of people who call themselves right-wing or "Centrist".
Although I don't OP seems like type of idiot

Big gubment is still capitalism

>right-wing anti-capitalism

youtube.com/watch?v=Isq6YltjRRU

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