Now that the dust has settled what is Yea Forumss opinion on pic related?

>ITS ABOUT LIKE, DOING REAL POLITICS MAAAAAAAN
>okay like what
>like donating to my patreon for my podcast where a handful snarky white people make sarcastic ironic comments about the news
sounds like a real revolution

Lol, that's not an accurate representation of the podcast at all. They very clearly identify themselves as entertainers but also interview people who give information on shit like organizing your coworkers into a union. They also make snarky comments in the news which is nice too, but it's no cum town

>with the money they’ve made, they could easily start an actual revolution or some kind of coup

I'm suddenly reminded of why the fascists lost

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>ITS ABOUT REALLL POLITICSSSSSSSS I SWEAR
>sure
>YOU DONT BELIEVE ME? WE HAD A GUY WITH AN MBA ON LAST WEEK WHO TALKED ABOUT GETTING A 401K PLAN AT THE LOCAL BREWPUB MAANN, THIS IS POLITICSSS IN ACTION, MAAAN, HES GOT AN MBA AND STUFF MAN THESE ARE, LIKE, REEEEALL SOLUTIONS

No I think it clearly advertises itself as entertainment, while also having some educational content you dumb fuck

absolutely based

This desu. The whole thing reads like someone who's desperately trying to be funny but doesn't realise that their progressive politics immediately makes them the butt of the joke.

>LIKE MAN WERE JUST ENTERTAINMENT, BUT LIKE WE NEED A CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT TO DO EVERYTHING
>like make foriegn policy?
>NUH UHH ITSSSS TURRIBLE WITH THAT MAAN, CANT YOU TELL FROM MY SARCASM
>WEE NEED LIKE MORE DEMOCRACY AND STUFF
>AND LIKE POLITICS MAAN, THATTS THE REAL SOLUTION, DOING ACTUAL POLITICS
>like.... whaaat?
>DUDE IM JUST AN ENTERTAINER CANT YOU TELL IM JOKING
>none of your jokes funny, your just 5 white people in a room recording yourself be ironic
>PFFFFT< WHAA, ARE YOU SOME MAGA CHUD? HEHEH SEE I LAUGHED AT MY OWN JOKE

unironically based

The appeal of chapo bug house is lost on me. They are not working class people, why do they pretend to hold working class interests?

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Not even a commie but he's right.

fpbp

Have sex.

They make six figures monthly off of basedboys and hipsters

because its about like doing politics man, $ubscribe to the patreon!

young people need some new edgy ideologies man this thing is already getting old.
>muh i hate liberals yet i agree with them 99% of the time

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have a neuron fire

Probably fancy themselves "class traitors" or whatever. Muh empathy

or they are literally hipsters circa 2004

They're bourgeoisie socialists who pretend to be a working class loudspeaker for socialism as a counter to a lot of the hard right wing propaganda out there. A lot of people see that there aren't a lot of choices in this regard so are throwing tons of money at them since they've reached some level of popularity and success. At the end of the day their podcast is just a propaganda loudspeaker like most of the other political shows out there regardless of political orientation.

not good because the best host (amber) had no involvement

youtube.com/watch?v=7b7DgOeMnW4

Source on this? Her ride-or-die Bernie support has been disappointing anyway desu

>this is what the right actually thinks of its opposition

>being such an incel you find amber attractive

Amber is very hit or miss, Felix is the best host just because he is funny. Debate me.

The left can only meme.
Seems the only way you can do a political discourse in this time is through memes and pop culture references. Guess this is why the left is so insistent on representation in the media.

Are Finnish women all this ugly?

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you have brain damage

>neo-liberal who thinks being snarky in an overpriced apartment is doing something

virgil, will, matt, felix & i think one of their annoying editors wrote the book, no contributions from amber.

her politics are a bit weird. at times she seems like a hardline Marxist, at other times she just seems to want an old-school labor movmeent, & again at other times she seems like an extremely mild reformist social democrat. she’s still the best host for being so stringently anti-idpol

So after bernie becomes president and fails or like after him the capitalists elect a republican again to get rid of any reforms do you think the left in america will finally realize that electoralism is a fraud and put on the clown nose?

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kinda hard to participate in idpol if people cant figure out what the fuck you are, physically or philosophically

I actually do think Amber is cute in a very alien way. She has weird features but her face doesn't look particularly asymmetrical, her nose isn't fucked up, she has nice lips, her skunk stripe hair color thing is pretty shitty but she looks better without it.

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come on, she’s clearly melungeon

She looks like the product of an Albino black guy fucking a down syndrome white woman.

She looks like a caricature of an albino black/Asian mix. A real face for radio. taht is for sure

>that
>cute

I'm a chapo fan, the book was 6/10
some of the jokes were great, on average were okay, but reading 400 okay jokes in a row is actually kind of exhausting
Eli Valley is a god though

who would win?
>/pol/s brittany venti vs /leftypol/ amber

WE

>The thing is that with the money they’ve made, they could easily start an actual revolution
imagine being older than 12 and believing you can tear the Wall-Street-CIA-Democratic-Republican-Israeli murder machine down if you only had two million dollars
nevermind that they immediately spend it all on Miller Lite, cocaine, cat food, and vape pens

she looks like a $20 streetwalker

Wow, tone down that antisemitism, buddy!

In this case it’s not really wrong.

>not conservatively investing your podcast money into military industrial complex stocks and the s&p 500 and then be all like "ahhh dudes, sorry, i gotta go back to school, its a thing, no dont ask questions, its personal thing dude", then just leaving and never talking to anyone again.

based
people calling the Chapos "larpers" have obviously not listened to the podcast, every one of them is completely open about how they have absolutely no value to actual leftist politics other than getting drunk and yelling into microphones about people they hate
(except Felix who is sober and doesn't actually care about politics)
they're not pretending to be leading a revolution, they think that shit is stupid, they just want people to stop sucking DC/MSM/Disney cock for a second and that's a valuable thing, props to them

imagine thinking Justin is white

>haha it was just for fun bro we're not actually serious xd
worthless bugmen trying to downplay their own stupidity and naivety

Sounds awful desu, like the leftie version of Milo/Gavin McInnes

why must you insult streetwalkers in such a flagrant way

Pretty sure she said she was Finnish. Sámi people tend to have chinky eyes so it would make sense.

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> they just want people to stop sucking DC/MSM/Disney cock for a second and that's a valuable thing, props to them

But they don’t have anything better to offer. It’s like encouraging people to listen to jazz instead of the top 40. Being slightly more sophisticated (or in their case, edgy) doesn’t change the fact that it’s still nihilistic dance music at its core.

Leftist memes are gay and unfunny, right wing memes are actually funny and get demagogues elected.

Matt is a cripple from Manitowoc (as in "Making a Murderer" Manitowoc). Felix was an alcoholic bartender. Amber's from Deliverance country.
Will and Virgil are fancy trust-fund boys but the others are legit

I want to apologize on behalf of all Finnish people.
Please forgive us, Amber doesn't represent Finland.

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what is this even a picture of, who are these people

Rapist Frat House? But why?

Best kept secret in europe, finns are actually Mongolians

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But user, Lenin was the bad guy don't you know??? Trust the policy makers who profit most from the status quo to tell you change bad.

as far as i know she’s always refused to clarify her ethnicity. her family is from appalachia though

t. retard who thinks he's woke

>I have learned everything I need to learn about what nihilism means from Yea Forums and daddy Peterson.
Doesn't make them any less traitors to any revolutionary action they could've encouraged.
The only good Chapos are on their tankie/militant anarchists containment subreddit.

>Just trust neolibs to tell you markets are actually good, acknowledging the failure of liberalism and capitalism as a whole is just postering as being woke.
Why are liberals so intent on sounding as moderate and as 'reasoned' as possible?

>class traitors
Lmao, these guys would be the FIRST to go.

the left put on the clown nose when Jimmy Carter slashed financial regulations and lost re-election in a landslide to a 100-year-old senile bootlicker
twenty years later, Democrats on TV doing the Macarena while pledging an "end of history" (decades of permanent war, police militarization, corporate welfare, environmental annihilation, shoving millions of weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel, and more black people in Disney movies)
what you're seeing in the unionization/single-payer/anti-Israel insurgence is the left taking off the clown nose and getting to business again. It's messy but it's exciting. And no, chapo's ""comedy"" isn't useful for that, but who gives a shit
the right is spamming clowns everywhere because they're mad and the left is actually resurging. it's a good time to be alive.

she cute

t. discord tranny trying to fit in

the subreddit is even more liberal than the podcast, it's bad

>Everyone I disagree with is transsexual.
Is it projecting or just brain worms?

reformism doesnt work, they will just elect another neoliberal manager after him to repeal everything

they know that, people who listen to the podcast know that, I don't know why people spam this like it's a dunk
it's literally a podcast making fun of pro-Iraq-War newspaper columnists from 15 years ago. it's not supposed to be good.

Except that Gavin actually seems like a down-to-earth reasonable guy in interviews

>I have learned everything I need to learn about what nihilism means from Yea Forums and daddy Peterson.
I don’t think I’ve listened to a full sentence of Peterson's. It doesn’t change the face that jazz is the distilled essence of early 20th century consumerist nihilism in an audio form.

Sounds like the type of thing Peterson would see as transcendent if anything.

Talking about /r/cth2. Well, once you get past all the 'lul, I'm so random' posting.

voting was good enough for Lenin, it's good enough for me. It's not sufficient but it gets people talking about something other than transgender fighter pilots and tax credits

>Citation needed.
Did you just listen to Adorno once and is that it? How can you pretend like bebop or free jazz are dance music in any meaningful way?

Amber leave

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>But they don’t have anything better to offer
yeah they do, bitching about things and not doing anything is the thing people actually want to do

>muh status quo

I saw a post on /pol/ which were something like this:
>The left actually does memes better than the right, they just aren't funny

Listen to him on Pod Ruin America

Ive heard that hipster faggot plenty of places, down to earth people do not work in fucking advertising

I refuse to debate the truth

Well that’s your opinion

says the guy who finds someone in advertising whos trying to become a media personality "down to earth"

How is it not realistic?

there are Matt fans and there are nobodies

>/pol/s brittany venti
she hot but nothing good comes out of /pol/

who would win a fight to the death
brittany is hot in the most dictionary picture bag over head way

she's ugly as fuck

>Class interest isn't your relationship to society's productive forces. It's just how much money u have
>All leftists who aren't literal sustinance farmers pwnt xD

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>the millionth hot new media personality "entertaining" through self aggrandizing finger wagging
>this time its new york hipsters

>what is petite bourgeiose

I find wide-set eyes really hot, when I see a person whose eyes are too close together I want to fucking throw up
I don't know where this comes from but that's my life I guess

>Israeli murder machine
but I repeat myself

this girl is genuinely one of the ugliest girls ive ever seen plus she's had like 4 abortions but everyone on r/cumtown fawns over her???

>eastern europeans and turk esoteric sand cult converts
>semites
kikes more delusional than trannies

They're just trying to hype her up and turn her into a left version of Lauren Southern.

Freaky..
How's her personality ?
She looks like the quiet type

Goblina...

Ironicism was a mistake

Lenin still relevant today as he was then.

The left is just a bunch of dorks

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Say something nice about Amber

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Amber is nice name

She probably has Genghis Khan blood, that's pretty cool desu

imo she's a gorgeous Appalachian hill queen and abortions are based. I wish I could consentually smooch her

has anyone in here actually read it?

i'm not going to because it's clearly popshit, but chapo (the podcast) is good sometimes. it's fans are pretty retarded though

Nobody on this board reads.

>it's fans are pretty retarded though

the fans are fucking deranged

im honestly surprised there haven't been mass shooters with chapo connections, my guess is that the people who are more inclined towards that sort of thing end up on the right since it more explicitly appeals to them (white nationalism, inceldom etc)

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Have you seen her tits?

postem

The left is well organized and social enough to prevent lone wolves. They also have institutional control to such an extent that such actions are counterproductive.

I'd say the left wing extremist resembles a psychopath and the right wing a schizophrenic

Why is Yea Forums mostly comprised of communist?

I really have my doubts in deciding if Yea Forums as a collective has any certain political leaning.

Ok, so why do they still play the underdog and whine so much? That shit pretty much secures leftism as somethings thats going to happen or is it those pesky libz?

I've listened to the audiobook.
thepiratebay.org/torrent/24537152/The_Chapo_Guide_to_Revolution__A_Manifesto_Against_Logic__Facts_

There's some of that dork/soi/reddit style, but it's not unbearable. If they only thing you know is mainstream media (CNN, Fox...) you might even find some parts insightful.
Ideologically, they overlap a lot with someone like John Oliver, who's pretty much a Democrat mouthpiece, but occasionally dares to criticize their warmongering. Chapo are anti-war too. And they want higher taxes, I guess.
But that's as far as their "revolution" goes. They don't dare question other liberal dogmas, they seem fully on board with the SJW issues.

Most of us just aren't afraid to admit Marxist philosophers may have some good insights rather than dismissing it just because of some kind of "leftists are all bad and trying to destroy the world through social justice" type thing

I'm not sure these acts are carried out for coherent political reasons. It's more like the individual is predisposed towards violence (mentally maladjusted) and when exposed to fringe internet cultures they're pushed to act that violence out.

The content of what they view (i.e. left wing or right wing) feels incidenta, it's the deranged and victimising nature that matters. This sort of thing is rife on the chapo subreddit as much as it is on incel forums and you can find posts alt righters and chapo goons with the same sentence structure etc. I think the right just picks up the really damaged people because of the reasons stated in my last post.

I know I sound like i'm making excuses but I genuinely believe this dumb shit. We can say for certainty that if you expose millions of impressionable, disaffected and arguably socially stigmatized white men to apocalyptic propaganda (being bred out of existence, institutionally discriminated against etc) the overwhelming majority of them will not be pushed towards violence. This makes the "lone wolfs" seem like genuine outliers and brings into question how much the content of the internet is to blame vs how much the form is to blame. Also it's not fair that these people are thrown into a world where this deranged and propagandising internet is the norm and they're expected to come out the other end like everyone else, on some level society has failed them.

Chapocels are the most disgusting beings in the internet, they are just as racist as /pol/ but in a condescending way like they are doing you a favour because you are brown and don't know any better. I'm sick of these retards praising the murderous dictatorship in my country. FUCK CHAPOCELS and FUCK COMMIES

Based

cheers lad might give it the old ear in ear out

>The left is well organized
My sides

>I'm sick of these retards praising the murderous dictatorship in my country.
lmao what country

Venezuela

;_;7

I'm actually wondering how these leftist (to differentiate from the right) bugmen don't suffer from cognitive dissonance, when they talk to someone from Venezuela?
How do they rationalize it? How can they praise it?

Decent jokes here and there, if you know anything about modern politics and history, you probably won't learn much. But the memes are okay.

They say that you are lying then "source" their statements on a government sponsored "news"source like Telesur or RT (other news sources are American propaganda, they are too smart to fall for that). They say that you must be a butthurt bourgeois white Venezuelan because you know English. They believe what the regime says (but they are too smart to believe anything that comes out of their own government). Everything is a CIA plot. They think that it's only imperialism when the USA does it and that China, Russia and Cuba don't have any interests here. They cry about Russian interference in their election yet they fail to recognize how rigged and fraudulent and illegal the elections are here.

They are so deep in their ideology that they became completely blind. They choose to believe one thing and disregard everything else as propaganda.

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>They cry about Russian interference in their election
every chapo fan's obsession

If you think Elliott Abrams has Latin America's best interests in mind you're either a baby or a shill

>left wing memes
>pedophiles
>right wing memes
>spree shooters and the holocaust
Look mom I can do it too This will end well I'm sure

>7/10 mass shooters registered democrats

read this instead

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>"He's cool and he flaps his lips at the policeman, strutting his way through the urban landscape he doesn't answer to anybody. Recently emancipated and without question not facing a single degree of discrimination at this point, now fully an equal, without any kind of oppression facing him whatsoever the 1952 cool rule breaking negro answers only to himself. What is it about these beasts that they can't control themselves?"
>from 1952 essay "The Rule Breaking Negro" by Adam Friedland and Bill Buckley, published in Harpers Bazaar/The National Review

It's not his job to care for Latin America's best interest. America's best interest is not to have a Russian/Chinese vassal state so close with millions of refugees roaming around the region.
Either way the truth of what's happening here doesn't change whether he is involved or not. That's another classic chapocel tactic, dismissing everything with >muh Elliot Abrams.

It's a marketing tactic. Both the left and the right say they're the underdog and if the last election was anything to go by the US is split basically 50/50

If we're going by those metrics, the death toll and cultural destruction of the left is much higher

If you don't think the two people running in the last elections were complete oddities you're either retarded or too young to remember any previous elections.

>oddity
>trump ran in the past 3 elections

Because being the underdog is a the very core of leftist philosophy. And even if they could abandon it, why would they?

I think it used to be more communist, but many old Yea Forums people left or come back infrequently.

Clinton ran in 2008 and 2016
Trump ran in 2000 and 2016
both are rich, off-putting, whiny creeps, friends with each other and Jeffrey Epstein

leftist philosophy is that we outnumber the enemy and will inevitably overthrow them once again as we have repeatedly throughout history. I don't know where "underdog" factors into it. It's the poltards spamming "IT'S ALL OVER" wojaks and clowns

That is mostly true though. Even with their "insightful" analysis on society it's only a framework for them to start their revolution. I've read some Marx, and i will admit his critique on capitalist society is spot on in some part, but ultimately he lost script because he thought human society would eventually adopt a communist model for society. Communism is the Dionysus of political/economic systems. It's conclusion to the end of society is a hedonistic, degenerated state where hierarchies and order cease to exist due to the dogmatic nature of communist against such things. Communism in it's pure unconstrained form is unfettered chaos.

>it's
using apostrophes wrong is unfettered chaos

Dude come on, communists aren’t all anarkiddies.

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Exactly, the left's whole appeal is that they are the oppressed getting together and overthrowing the oppressors. Once they are in power, they've got no reason to exist, so even if they are indeed in power they must mask it and pretend to be powerless, to the point they fucking censor speech and pretend it is somehow the powerless exerting pressure on the powerful.

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absolutely groovy

100% pure finnish phenotype

If you look at communism closely it follows that flow of thought. Marx wanted the Rousseau vision of society where everything is reverted back to pre industrial/ communal society. The noble savage mtyh of the state of nature where everyone treated each other fairly. To achieve such vision you would have to regress society. Hierarchies form the result of civilization. It's a evolutionary necessity. Communism ignores this.

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Puritans were right all along

Is this dude talking for real or is he just playing around?

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kek

Why the fuck did you not capitalize the Holocaust?! I'm just like, I mean a bit concerned about remembering when tons and tons of people/ died and being respectful and mindful about that as much as humanly possible, ok?

can't imagine they'd post that, I don't even think they use that account much cuz they all have their own

Why would you want an actual revolution anyway? There a good chance youll end off worse than you were before, and even if you don't, you're not likely to see much improvement anyway since any sociopolitical system will have its own disadvantages and inefficienies, and will also necessarily possess dome of the oppressive and exploitative feature of contemporary corporatist neoliberalism. Of course there are socioeconomic systems that may be more or less fair, equitable, just, efficient, etc. Than others, but our current one certainly isnt that bad. In terms of game theory and rational choice, pursuing actual revolutionary goals seems like a suboptimal decision.

American politics are a joke.
Sage.

social conservatives were right about basically everything but by the time you realise it the thing has become so normal that no one cares

OH NO NO NO NO
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I think you're forgetting that leftist political organizing and activism is a social activity to them, so genuinely antisocial people can't really participate. I think being a lonewolf attacker requires a lack of meaningful social relationships to an extent that it's impossible for leftists to have.

>I just purchased it

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I hate to boil an argument down to an acronym, but FPBP.

These guys' testosterone levels probably don't even add up to the average level for a typical male

Well, what did you expect?

where's the lie?

you can tell these are all fake because they're actually funny

Hard pass. Let me know when Nick Mullen and the boys write a book.

>getting so mad about nonsense you photoshop fake tweets for a podcast twitter account
is this "based"?

three kings

I want to hug Matt
I want to wrestle Felix
I want to fuck Will's cute little adopted ass

n***** mullen couldn't even manage a Twitter account

dick masterson already wrote a book

Bottom of the barrel shit. Yea Forums is more patrician than that.

Masterpiece

I want Will to kiss me >:( >:( >:( >:OOOOO aaghhhh I wanna die

i would fuck her easy

she would hate that, you gotta fuck her hard

i would fuck her (hard), *easily

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So steep the heat from AOC’s feet
She stomps on huevos and cooks scrambled treats
Or so steps on beans for some dank frijoles
Stirring in the pot her feet’s girly glaze
No punt of her boot nor jolt of her heel
Could peal from my pipes any joy but the squeal
A shout of pain, sure, even scrotal agony
Blessed all flesh struck by her majesty
Tucked into soft pumps or gliding in sandals
Thefts of her Loubs ignited great scandals
Keeping her slippers and flip-flops locked tightly
AOC’s schedule keeps her feet sprightly
Send your best goons, spirit me to your lair
Bathe me in shrink beams to squish by soles bare
Now but an angstrom and AOC’s nails abyssal
Lapidary escarpments, freckles and bristle
Her pheromones rain like atmosphere
Betwixt AOC’s toes, the saltiest schmear
Baptized in her funks, I feel so alive
Drenched by scents floral, cheeses and chive
AOC’s feet share many hues with rosewood
Toes not stubby nor phallic, like toes should
Asleep on her tummy, braaper to the moon
Her ventral soles loom like a scrunchy dune
Questing and climbing her flexuous ripples
Those female fumes stir heady sniffles
Rave for Alexandria Ocasio-
Cortez’s toes, Latinx pistachios

RIP
How do you have power for 4channel?

>implying all you need for revolution is money
I dislike chapo retards too but they are still slightly better than retards like you

>not understanding how dialectics works
Once the leftism of yesteryears (republicanism and classical liberalism etc etc) become mainstream a new paradigm and conflict will form the new left and right. Left and Right are about approach or attitudes to hierarchies and power structure in certain era not specific ideologies

phoneposting with a couple of backup batteries

>This
Contrary to popular belief, the left actually memes things into existence while the right is sometimes funny but always ineffective.

it pains me to say this but its true
in any socialist or marxist circle i come across it always boils down to a piss contest on whos more working class than the other and lifeless ____ gets the bullet or gulag jokes

Outside of some literal 'purity' types you will never encounter this outside of the internet. Most of that shit is ironic, except for the whole anarchists vs. ML's shit, that's still very real.

No, I'm a leftwinger and even I am not gonna pretend like the left is going to 'meme' anything into existence. The only significant social movements of the last few decades were the Gilets Jaunnes and the Arab Spring and both of those are being increasingly co-opted by nationalist movements.

Of course I'm only talking about social movements that came out of internet organising. I'm not even going to talk about the liberal meme that's the whole youth for climate thing.

I come to Yea Forums for the cutting, biting satire. user, you've outdone yourself.

>some larpers go to another larp-off and see who is the biggest larper

Based

lmao

bc the only place communism works is in a book

Nobody on Yea Forums reads though.

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Nick is the funniest man alive in my opinion.

why am I even clicking on reply? these threads are cancerous. anglos are trash. americans should be nuked.

politicized americans are the single most pathetic thing in existence right now

>muh leftie!!!!
euh non
>muuuuh alt right
non plus espèce de fils de pute contrairement à toi la cia m'a pas lavé le cerveau

his standup is dogshit
hes much better with the boys

alors quoi penses-tu pierre

I occasionally listen to hear neocons and liberals get insulted. They're pretty good as a "but actually" whiny liberal comedy act. Compare them to something like Samantha Bee and it's clear that they at least understand irony and almost have a sense of deep politics. I know they consider themselves leftists, not liberals, but that's only because they still haven't figured out that the fart left only serves as useful idiot shock troops for the liberal world order. If Bernie gets elected and promptly fails, maybe they'll begin to understand.

I would compare them to 2006-era Jon Stewart, a description I'm sure they'd despise because it's so hatefully accurate. Good performers, dumbass politics, slobbering interviews secretly meant to compliment themselves for being so aware and political, zingers and "wow just wow" reactions, false sense of sincerity and rebellion, constantly hiding behind "I'm just a clown" when in fact they believe themselves to be not only smarter and more informed than everybody else, but also objective arbiters of good and evil. Hypocritical, like most decent mainstream entertainment. It allows you to feel smug for a little while, which I admittedly enjoy

The thing is, they're so sullen and reactionary that it's sometimes hard to listen to. I actually feel a little bit sick when I listen to that mewling Brooklynite vocal fry for too long. It just reminds me too much of a teenager getting pissy because his mom brought home the wrong brand of Cheez-its from the grocery store. Irony manchildren getting pissy at the news. Again, I like the insults though.

If you actually take them as seriously as they take themselves then you are pigshit retarded, "no cap"

French is gay 2bh

check out his nicole mullen posts on thought catalog, they're still very funny

>as seriously as they take themselves
?

is it tho?

They take themselves very seriously. All irreverent people do.

Imagine actually thinking that there are exactly two economic classes with predetermined uniform interests.

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chapochuds are the cringiest

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The combination of this thread and Zizek threads attracted AOC, she went off and got found out
I bet shes somewhere in this thread too

Few people actually think that their interests are predetermined or uniform including Marx, Engels, Stalin or Lenin. There are workers that will have something to lose in the socialist revolution, and there are of course class traitors, colonial interests, imperial interests etc.

But they believed capitalism has an inherent motion that, barring other countervailing factors like imperialism, colonialism, technological breakthroughs, rapid population growth etc. drives capitalists as a class to squeeze workers. At those moments when they squeeze workers the most, workers to a greater and greater degree begin to unify in their shared interests against the capitalist class, and the conditions for a conflict arise.

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Oh boy, there go the goalposts again.
>In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces. The sum total of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which rises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness.
>The mode of production of material life conditions the social, political and intellectual life process in general. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.
>At a certain stage of their development, the material productive forces of society come in conflict with the existing relations of production, or — what is but a legal expression for the same thing — with the property relations within which they have been at work hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters.

I don't see how any of that changes what I said.

>In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces. The sum total of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which rises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness.

The existing social relations of production, which correspond to stages of development of the productive forces, are outside the will of individuals, and prevailing ideology and forms of political organization are derived from those structures. For instance, when the black death occurred in the 1300s you got some of the first anti-vagrancy laws in England, as well as regulations on the rights of free labor. This period also corresponds to an increasing delineation legally and ideologically between the "deserving" poor and the shiftless villains who just won't work. Before this the poor had a proper place in the social order as being receptive of charity by the church and the wealthy in order to gain prestige or express piety. When the labor market constricted and village support networks were ravaged by the plague, you simultaneously had a problem of too many vagrants from the countryside hitting the towns for aid and seasonal free laborers demanding too much money from the landowners. So the relations of production here, lords and serfs, were the impetus for new legal strictures taking away the rights of these free laborers to deny work offered to them and to negotiate their wages, as well as criminalizing many of these victims of the plague wondering the countryside. And as said before, this also filtered into the ideology surrounding poverty, creating more animosity for the supposed laziness of the vagrants rather than emphasizing the piety of giving alms to the poor.

>The mode of production of material life conditions the social, political and intellectual life process in general. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.

I'd give a similar answer and case study as the above. That is what is being expressed here.

>At a certain stage of their development, the material productive forces of society come in conflict with the existing relations of production, or — what is but a legal expression for the same thing — with the property relations within which they have been at work hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters.

Here he is basically just suggesting that at certain stages of development the superstructure becomes unrelated to the real conditions of production, and so begins to come under attack.

Alright, I'm going to ignore the ususal rigamarole of arguing whether there is a sublative material teleology to history and whether Marx has actually provided one which is consistent with reality (Asiatic mode of production, etc.). What I'm trying to pin you and Marx down on is economic determinism, such that no amount of "royal road" apologia can circumvent. If Marx has defined the material economic conditions of society as the sole determinant of all human relationships, and as a Hegelian, he identifies the sum total of human relationships as the determinant of consciousness, then yes, he has created a system in which all human consciousness is predetermined by his premised selection of economic class categories (all 2), which would include uniform class interests--your use of the term "class traitor" would indicate as much. To Marx, this would be the exception that proves his rule.

*If Marx has defined the material economic conditions of society as the sole determinant of all human social relationships, as he does in this passage from his economic manuscripts,

Sir, I take the subject of remember the Holocaust very seriously. All four of my grandparents were Holocaust survivors. Literally none of them died in the Holocaust, and I assure you, that has impacted me in a deep way.

cringe

>What I'm trying to pin you and Marx down on is economic determinism
But he didn't, merely focusing on the economic factor in society and shit. Engels made that clear

>"I qualify your first major proposition as follows: According to the materialistic conception of history, the production and reproduction of real life constitutes in the last instance the determining factor of history. Neither Marx nor I ever maintained more. Now when someone comes along and distorts this to mean that the economic factor is the sole determining factor, he is converting the former proposition into a meaningless, abstract and absurd phrase. The economic situation is the basis but the various factors of the superstructure – the political forms of the class struggles and its results – constitutions, etc., established by victorious classes after hard-won battles – legal forms, and even the reflexes of all these real struggles in the brain of the participants, political, jural, philosophical theories, religious conceptions and their further development into systematic dogmas – all these exercize an influence upon the course of historical struggles, and in many cases determine for the most part their form."

marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ni/vol01/no03/engels.htm

This is the exact "no royal road" apologia I was referring to. By making the economic mode of production the final factor or "base" in the determinationof social relations, Marx and Engels apply the Hegelian judgement of history in their sketch of the sublative relationship between base and superstructure, and like any Hegelian, they inport the assumptions of the base into their characterization of the superstructure. It is incredibly disingenuous to paint this as a unity rather than what it is; a post-hoc ergo propter-hoc explanation of prevailing cultural phenomena through a (I'll be generous) crypto-economic determinism.

*import

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Fairly accurate. The modern left seems to have taken to a system wherein the rich are allowed to maintain their international dominance of all things at the expense of all things outside of the multi-national, financial-state synthesis that globalization has created, but the people are bribed with welfare in order to keep them silent. Lenin is probably the most respectable communist. He was able to actually look at the real world, rather than falling into that version of leftism that is entirely rhetoric revolving around a few "good" and "bad" points of reference.

t. NatSoc

That's a beautiful bug user.

Amber is pretty decent. The other ones are hipster fags or worse.

Close, but it's Sean Clements

>r/cumtown
Can I get a quick rundown? I don't want this in my browser history.

>browser history.
...you serious

My wife's son might find click on it by accident and then I'll have to sleep in the shed again.

>Hierarchies form the result of civilization. It's a evolutionary necessity. Communism ignores this.
Spot on user. I'm a big fan of crypto and lots of people complain about bitcoin mining moving towards a handful of mining pools. I've realized that hierarchies exist and society will always trend towards it as it's a result of the success and planning ability of some. Since we arent equal in abilities or skills hierarchies are inherent to human civilization. Communism rests squarely on an egalitarian acceptance as its basis for justification.

It's a book to advertise and fund their podcast. Turns out they're capitalist too since it isn't exactly a choice in our society. (Also democracy will not bring about a socialist/communist revolution)

upvoted my fellow redditors

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yeah and their podcast is shit too

Wow sounds like they've lived through such struggle. A bartender? Worse than Siberia

You say "from deliverance country" as if there are not massive numbers of bourgeois liberals in the south. None of these people actually understand serious struggle and would be eaten alive were this period of luxurious capitalist neoliberalism to actually come to an end. They are champagne socialists with brownstones in Brooklyn and are so incredibly soft and effete that they actually consider the moral concepts of "racism" and "sexism" to be serious concerns rather than masturbatory pursuits in a portion of bourgeois society so comfortable that it's bored.

You should all be gulagged you commie fucks.

Are you whining that M&E are doing what they actually set out to do?
>It is incredibly disingenuous to paint this as a unity rather than what it is
But they didn't

I'm saying that they backed themselves into an untenable position, and when pressed on it, they pretended to divest their theory of the primacy of economic determinants while still maintaining a base/superstructure relationship that is reliant upon economic predetermination.

>But they didn't
If they didn't, then they should be able to identify causal facors for social structures that arise independently, but they never do anything of the sort. Economic factors are always the point of genesis in their theories.

easy, dasha

>If you have a job and don't employ anyone you're not working class
Cool dude, enjoy your weekend

The title is ironic