19 And (unto man): O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and eat from whence ye will...

Its what retards actually believe

Which Muslim country, user? Salam from Malaysia.

Of all the major religions today, that have a core message to be followed Islam is the most deviant and the religion most encouraging evil today.

You have Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism which promote tolerance, understanding, mercy, gratitude, oneness with the world and promote insight into the plight of man. And then you have Islam and the Quran which was written by a deranged pedophile warlord who misquoted and perverted the old and new testaments. Islam is a deviant religion, and yes there are exceptions to the rule of some good Muslims, but most follow a deviant rulebook of subversion, slavery and hatred for "unbelievers" that has done nothing but create death, destruction and rape against non--Muslims since the 6th century. There has never been a peaceful version of Islam, and conversion ever since Muhammad was done at sword point by reprobate and degenerate polygamist Muslims. From Byzantium to India, Islam has done nothing but destroy other civilizations and erode any culture they had before through violence and conquest.

Islam has nothing to do with knowledge, the so called Islamic golden age was shut down by fanatic Muslims as soon as it started and any classical knowledge coming from Greek antiquity was quickly buried and forgotten.

Islam is a death cult and hopefully anyone who follows it to the letter will get their comeuppance soon.

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Jay Smith is a hack and not taken seriously by any scholar.

I grew up and studied Islam for most of my life. I even have a higher education degree in the subject.

Most lay people who grow up in muslim countries don't know much about Islam. Their advise is not reliable.

1. Yes you can marry prepubescent females in Shariah as you could in virtually every land then. Sex however is typically withheld until after menstruation, which is taken as the biological sign of readiness for sex.

2. Yes, although enslaved captives that become concubines do have certain rights. If they become pregnant you cannot sell them, they become free upon your death, and are entitled to a pension.

3. Yes but you cannot hit them in the face or leave a mark, that is haram.

4. This verse actually says whip those who slander women without four witnesses.

5 Noo, it doesn't say that. It says in wars with unbelievers only accept surrender if tribute is paid. It doesn't say individuals who don't pay are to be killed, although presumably they should be punished. Women and the poor are exempt.

6. The first verse here is a battle command, to kill those in battle, the second verse says to ransom or enbondage captives until the conclusion of a war.

7. This verse just says those who fight for Allah will go to paradise--the Islamic idea of martyrdom if more dying as a warrior than being put to death. Although yes, people have bodies and sex in paradise, Islam understands there to be multiple physical realms, including some heavens, of which there are seven.

8 It is considered religious treason.

9 this just a repeat of the verses I already addressed under 6

10 This is about a specific war in which treacherous idolaters broke a treaty. Which you can easily see from context.

11: These are overtly about the battlefield, and contextually are instructions about preparing to face an attacking army

12: booty in war is quite normal, no worse than privateering

13 first and second verse say nothing like this, the third is about a specific treaty the other side broke first, it says to honor treaties the other side keeps in the very next verse. Fourth verse just says those who deny Allah will be forgiven if forced to, like with a gun to their head. It does not sanction it, it just says Allah will not hold them as apostates. Fifth verse explicitly says Allah does not tolerate liars

>which was enormous at the time
Hmmm, no

Are you trying to make Islam look better? If so, it's not going very well.

I am just trying to be truthful. I have no interest in misrepresenting Islam, which surely is contrary to Islam. It is true that Islam does not subscribe to slave morality. If you do subscribe to slave morality, Islam will appear morally bankrupt. However it is not, it just has an extremely different system of morality, which is why Nietzsche and Evola extolled it. If I tried to make Islam appear better than Christianity by Christian standards, I obvuously could not, because Islam has totally different standards. However I will note thay Islam has a broader empathy toward animals. Cruelty to animals is strictly forbidden in Islam, even deliberately killing an ant without good reason is considered wrong, and doing so to an animal larger than a sparrow will be brought against you by said animal on judgemnt day

>without good reason
that's one thing Muslims never run out of: reasons good enough for them.
they've justified all sorts of evil with "good reasons".

Good reason in Islam strictly means food or self defense (including against pests or animals eating all your crops).

Or euthanasia if it is suffering

islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/8814

>even deliberately killing an ant without good reason
>it's okay to kill pests
>ants are pests
>it's okay to kill ants
so what exactly was your point about "even killing an ant is considered wrong without good reason" ?
you're just playing word games to justify evil actions.
LotR orcs had a religion too, they worshiped Melkor, with Sauron as his Prophet. They were on a holy jihad to spread their faith throughout Middle Earth.
see the similarity?

Ants are not innately pests. They are only pests when they are being pests

>Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) as saying: An ant had bitten a Prophet (one amongst the earlier Prophets) and he ordered that the colony of the ants should be burnt. And Allah revealed to him: "Because of an ant's bite you have burnt a community from amongst the communities which sings My glory."

-Sahih Muslim: 5567

>LotR orcs had a religion too, they worshiped Melkor, with Sauron as his Prophet. They were on a holy jihad to spread their faith throughout Middle Earth.
>see the similarity?
They were Christians?

wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas

>christians aren't inherently pests
>they're only pests when they're being pests
>therefore, it's okay to kill christians
go back to Mordor, muslim

>wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas
>christians did "X" 500 years ago, so that excuses Muslims doing "X" in current year.
is that the best you got, orc?

Yes, this is being a pest
If you don't steal or kill or invade then you are not being a pest

Muslims doing x in current year? Last I checked, Christians have bombing Muslims lately more than vice versa. Muslims being so evil and imperialist is precisely the boomer excuse to wage war on them for imperialism

so you admit you're at open war with the West.
at least now we're getting somewhere in your web of lies.
>oh, look at me, i'm just a sweet innocent little muslim, i wouldn't hurt an ant, let alone a Christian!
>Christians deserve to be killed for invading our lands.
you're pretense at being the "religion of peace" is LAUGHABLE. Just admit you're orcs, it would really make the conversation go by so much faster.

If you were a staunch Christian, you would be at war with """the west""" (corporate and banking interests) as well. They inflict you with pornography, abortion, and usury. Yet you still see Muslims are the enemy.

nigger, halal slaugther is being known for stabbing the eyes of the animals out before slaugther since they believe of the animals in giving them a „evil stare“ if they dont do so. i dont know of any bigger religion which the people being so cruesome to animals in average. maybe the traditional islam was nice to animals (is cutting throat and bleeding out nice?) but todays islam isnt

There is no such thing as "today's Islam". Which hadith are you citing? Which verse of the Qur'an? If it is not in the Qur'an or Sunnah, it is by definition heresy, or "bid'ah" (literally "innovation"). What you are citing is purely folk superstition, not accepted in any madhhab (similar to Christianity blended with local superstition in some parts of Africa). The entire point of halal killing is being humane, that is why slaughter must be done out of view of other animals, to avoid terrorizing them

To cite something similar: the Qur'an has strict, extensive rules for inheritance which women MUST be included in (they get a smaller share because they don't need to pay dowries). The Taliban banned female inheritance. Their excuse? It is the custom of their people.

>Islam will appear morally bankrupt. However it is not, it just has an extremely different system of morality
No, that's not how morality works. There is no such thing as 'different morality'. Morality is not a matter of opinion, as some actions are still immoral even if the perpetrator is ignorant as to why. Islam is morally bankrupt. It is used as an excuse for hordes of barbaric subhumans to commit atrocities against those who do not serve them. No amount of cultural context will make the enslavement of women, rape of children, mass slaughter of innocents, or any of the other horrible things muslims do near constantly morally justifiable in the mind of a reasonable sane human being.

>They inflict you with pornography, abortion, and usury
No, people opt into these things voluntarily. People choose to watch porn, get abortions, and take out loans. It's a bad choice, but civilized people in proper societies let people make choices for themselves even if we don't like them. Muslims are rapists and murderers, they aren't the enemy of the west, they are the enemy of decency in general. Muslims are to civilization what rats and cockroaches are to homes, and I'm not particularly concerned with the good intentions of pest animals that believe they're destroying my house for morally sound reasons.

If what you say is so, then the God of the Bible is corrupt and evil

Islam does not condone killing noncombatants

>No, people opt into these things voluntarily. People choose to watch porn, get abortions, and take out loans. It's a bad choice, but civilized people in proper societies let people make choices for themselves
Ah, I see I am talking to a liberal, not a Catholic.

Well this isn't going to go anywhere. Enjoy your gay pride parades

I'm not speaking on behalf of any deity from any text, I'm speaking on behalf of civilized people. I do not care that your personal flavor of Islam doesn't condone the killing of noncombatants, because I know that muslims do it regardless. I've seen videos of muslims beheading women for their immodest clothes, throwing tied up people off of buildings for their lifestyle choices, burning people alive for disagreeing on semantics of muslim dogma. You're worse than dogs.

Ah, as per the usual, a muslim can't think for himself and runs when his views are held to scrutiny. Enjoy your inbreeding, faggot. Maybe those preteen boys you "people" keep as sex slaves will cheer you up, eh?

hope y'all like plantar warts

Obviously eastern roman empire was already vying for control with Rome centuries before "muh schism", both in territorial as in spiritual mattwrs. The extent of (proto-orthodox) Bzyantine influence in Arabia is clear when analysing the Kishite/Ethiopian invasions into Jewish controlled Himyar (Yemen) after the jew king of Himyar decided to massacre and torture the local Christians.
The war in Himyar was supported and facilitated by Constantinople 10.000 km and three seas away.

>fcking autist-plebs

What kind of sick fuck would fuck a 6yr old. And that is your great prophet?
Never heard about jesus raping kids but whatever. Mohammed wasnt even an arab. He was a foreign agent. A red bearded merchant either of jewish or italian orgins.

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>What kind of sick fuck would fuck a 6yr old.
He married her at six, consummated at nine after menstruation

Secularists and Christians kill noncombatants too. The Qur'an and Ahadith do not sanction that

Immodest dress is prescribed lashes by the Qur'an at very worst

>I'm speaking on behalf of civilized people.
By the way, by this you mean liberal, right? Particularly postwar progressive liberalism

I know one white convert and he is on my kill list.

why

Based.

Why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that Imams/religious instructors molest the young kids that they teach?

t. got molested by a muslim religious instructor

>but they do it too!
You're a child.

Conservatives hate muslims more than liberals.

As in it is not a practice derived from Islam

Conservatism is mostly dead, to be conservative today means attacking Islam and Russia for not having gay rights. It is liberalism called conservatism because boomers are old

I will add to this that the genuinely right wing today seldom hate Islam, but minorities and immigrants. Islam is only despised incidentally, but they bear no animosity toward Islam per se, they just don't like foreigners in their country

Sorry to hear that user.

The reason is that, at least in the West, pedophilia by religious clergy is actually a holdover of anti-Catholic sentiment. See, Liberals here don't actually see anything wrong with pedophilia ("Pedosexuality" is the politicall correct term), rather they don't like the weird culture attached to it. There's a growing movement to try and "tame" pedophiles to make them palatable to the average Western Liberal, with the eventual intention of using them as the latest oppressed minority whose rights need to be fought for.

However, Western Liberals are the descendants of Protestants, and they carry with them their disdain of the Catholic Church. The degenerate behavior of the Catholic Clergy was a big talking point Protestants used, and this still is carried on in an altered fashion. In short, pedophilia by religious clergy is only bad if it's done by a Catholic, because Catholics are inherently bad, evil, and immoral; while other pedophiles only do what they do because of their natural urges, Catholic pedophiles do it purely out of malice and wickedness.

Yeah, it's stupid, but then Liberalism is as a whole.

But user, Catholics ARE Western liberals, especially the clergy.