What's so mindblowing about this guy?

Yeah, so "cool" at proving he's a brainlet

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>dude sex, LMAO
>solution to poverty is the 'empowerment of women' dude
>the holocaust dude, the church did this because the anti-semetism, but they didn't renounce their beliefs till le 1964!
>you're against homosexuality and want to ban it???? WTF, i love homosexual, my friend right here is a homosexual. DUDE i would leave him alone with my kids and let him baby sit them whenever he wants to!
>dude let me prescribe my 21st century morality to assessments of slavery, because DAE bad? WTF, why the fuck would any ancient culture have any literature or anything accepting slavery dude???? SLAVERY DUDE

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Everything he said in that video is correct. Paraphrasing it in a mocking tone idoes not constitute a refutation.

>The new atheists set themselves up with the easy task of attacking literalist religion
Turns out the alternative is even more cringe.

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Oy vey

No, everything he said in that video is logically fallacious and only emotional arguments. The absurdity of them is self-evident. For you not to plainly see this is telling of low intelligence.

He talks about the bible somewhat favorably, but really dances around the question of what he actually believes in. He seems to do that with a lot of things though, so I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising.

>I remember how powerful atheism was in the early 2010s

good times. all those wasted hours arguing about creationism

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I heard him answer the question of Jesus' ressurection as "we don't know what people who are so aware of themselves are capable of" or something along those lines, paraphrasing. Of course we don't, where are these people today? Anyways he's leaning heavily towards theistic thought, but he also doesnt strike me as a lying, self-serving egoist, i could be wrong though.

Problem/blessing with atheist starting position is that it leads to reading theology to btfo christcucks with power of logic and rationality which inevitably leads to conversion to christianity.

You guys are a bunch of pseuds who love to act like you hold 'nuanced' views... get off your high horse...

Hitchens is unironically doing God's work trying to deconvert religious fundamentalists... Sam Harris has talked several times about the inaccuracy of saying "you can't reason people out of something they didn't reason themselves into"... in fact it's VERY possible and he said he gets emails from places like Pakistan telling him they are no longer Muslims....

A true intellectual's views on religion would be a mere footnote in his body of work. Everyone with half a brain knows that the shit in the Bible is ridiculous gobbledygook; a case can be made for its usefulness to the canaille as a sort of motivational tool but that's it. To base your whole intellectual journey on the refutation of myth is to betray the fact that you have nothing to say about anything actually worth considering.

It's because his God is the Jungian one ie on some level is an essentially psychological phenomenon, which he can't admit because he'd alienate huge swathes of his base and Christian organisations that support him.
He's a Christian, just one that by most Christian's standards doesn't believe God is real outside of a literally postmodern definition.

Indeed it was very good fucking times.. I had left Islam when I was 17 through listening to endless Coptic vs. Muslim debates on Paltalk...

Then I discovered Sam Harris et al. when I was still in engineering school... maybe 21 or 20 years old... after studying I would just lounge around doing my chores listening to his lectures on YouTube....

i went from atheism to theistic satanism

maybe i did it all wrong

So he's a literal post modernist?

Yeah, his position is that the postmodernists are more or less right, but the fragility that entails is why holding on to our traditions is so important.

He just doesn't often say it in as many words.

>To base your whole intellectual journey on the refutation of myth is to betray the fact that you have nothing to say about anything actually worth considering.
Stupid dumb Petersonian gibberish, keep trying to avoid the confrontation that will destroy you but it'll sneak up on you eventually

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Gods don't exist. It's that simple.

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True, but if you'd look at this board or beyond it, you can see that Christian literalism is still very prevalent, and so it's clearly not the case that him and Dawkins wrote and spoke for no reason; they failed, rather, to fully slay their dragon - though they certainly left it with less heads. And I ultimately count them as heroes for doing so, despite still holding general spiritual beliefs myself.

Gods don’t.

God does :3

God is the Black Man.

Arguably is definitely worth a read, especially his introductions and his waxing on Vaugh, Greene. Much more to contribute there than in the religious arguments

This whole fedora meme is so lame. It is such an embarrassing tactic. If you believe in religion, fine, but own the fact that you are doing so on faith and that some people do not see the value of such a faith.

I've always wondered why people are so eager to just believe what their parents did. Personally, Hinduism and Buddhism and some of the other Eastern religions are much more appealing than the Abrahamic religions. The reason so few convert from one to the other is simple, religions are tribalistic. To base your belief of something as being true because you were born to a certain tribe is brainlet tier.

>buying the mysticism meme
cringe

Sorry bud, God exists for every man :3

My God has indeed promised me a great life

He was an astute political commentator who was, in my opinion, a lot more interesting to listen to than to read. He also wrote quite a lot of entertaining essays on literary subjects.

>Everyone with half a brain knows that the shit in the Bible is ridiculous gobbledygook
Way to destroy your credibility, literally.

because people like him and his followers is where the fedora meme came from

The same thing applies to secularism, so this isn't a convincing argument.

>To base your belief of something as being true because you were born to a certain tribe is brainlet tier.
Why intellectualise over something which simply cannot be known? It can only ever be a question of ethics and how the religion suits you. Then the religion of your tribe will serve you best in most cases. Or you can pretend you're a robot and keep looking for
>muh non existent theoretical truth
while living with crippling existential despair

Not to mention it's just a genetic fallacy.

>What's so mindblowing about this guy?
He was an enormous pseud and people still think he was a genius.

I mean, if a lie is comforting and suits you, I couldn't begrudge anyone for sticking with it, but I would never call that noble or admirable

I wasn't advocating for secularism per se, but against dogmatism

Yet he won most every debate he entered...so if he's a pseud, what does that make his opponents?

He's said multiple times he doesn't think artists can really be atheists.

He just scoffs and tries to associate Christianity with the holocaust. Everything he actually stood for has been fucked up the ass.

Pseuds

He made public speaking sexy again.

To weak American men who cry when he appears. Sure

A religion is only as strong as the people who follow it user. Islam (while being the most flexible religion) has the worst followers ever because most of them are uneducated and easily fooled.

Holy shit, the pseudery in this thread.

Here's the deal with Christopher Hitchens:
>he was primarily a journalist and literary critic, not a philosopher; never claimed to be a philosopher
>his political outlook was complex and biased; he had socialist/Trotskyist tendencies but ALWAYS promoted the value of free speech, freedom of assembly, and protections from authoritarianism above all else.
>he was a genuine lover of poetry and literature. His essays and reviews demonstrated this through and through.
>he had a proper English education, the son of a naval officer, and was close friends with many of the 20th century's highest-acclaimed writers (MacEwan, Barnes, Rushdie, Amis, etc.).
>he lived the kind of Yea Forums life that we all envy: he was acquainted with dozens of notable writers, poets, historians, and politicians; he drank and smoked heavily; he was well-traveled.
>he was unabashed in his opinions and lectures, pulled no punches with regard to theocracy and corruption, hated the Clintons before it was cool, and called out Islam for the barbarism that it is.

Maybe not mind-blowing, but certainly nothing to scoff at as far as one man's life is concerned. He achieved a lot, read a lot, wrote a lot, smoked a lot, and drank a lot. What more can you say?

>Oxford grad who had lit friends

Wow so amazing

Oh all the things about his life to pick apart, THAT's your point of criticism?

His brother is better

where do you think you are and where do you see this thread as every other going? these are truly worthless subjects filled majorly by people with stupid opinions.

yeah bro sounds like you took a wrong turn somewhere

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Jesus this dude really was a full blown retard

Everything is dogmatism at the end of the day, the vast majority of people are incapable of true reason, hell maybe none of us are

To understand Christopher Hitchens and his views: his biggest influences were Freud, Marx and Trotsky and these remained constant throughout his life, both as a Marxist and post-Marxist American 'patriot'. During the Cold War he was a post-1960s social libertine and believed in Marxist internationalism. After the fall of the USSR he turned to American internationalism, which he saw as the new savior of mankind (see the Iraq war), and also to anti-theism (especially Islam which he saw as the prime enemy of American internationalism and Soviet internationalism before it).

Only Richard Dawkinsist atheists, 1960s social radicals and American college kids, who wanted a learned guy with a posh British accent to tell them religion is bad so they could partake in drug taking and 'free love', actually think this guy is some sort of genius.

His brother, Peter Hitchens, is a much more interesting guy in my opinion.

well thats the key point. Him being an oxford grad due his daddy, is excatly why he knows people and he became famous. likewise his brother

his brother didn't go to oxford

Though i didn't agree with everything he said, he was a tireless opponent to tyranny in all it's forms which just happened to include religion. His work on Clinton and Kissinger is just as scathing than anything he wrote about christianity or Islam. He'd also spent a shitload of time in the middle east and at the release of "god is not great" was the only journalist to have actually been to all three axis countries. He had an incredible memory that he could pull endless examples and evidence from, not a trait that journos or commentators from either side of the fence bother much with these days

He is, he just doesn't want to say it in a way that can be clearly quoted, because then his niche would change.

Dude is seriously overrated.

Hes pretty obviously a Christian conservative who wraps himself in gobbledygook to avoid outright coming out and saying it.

You're implying his dad got him into Oxford? Never heard of this. Do you have any evidence?

Regardless of that, tell me what you think about his non-religious writing. That's where he shines.

>Why intellectualise over something which simply cannot be known?
It goes both ways. People and societies dig in with their heels over unfalsifiable beliefs exactly because they can't be otherwise proven or disproven. It gives leaders and people in positions of power over others something of a free license to do or come up with whatever bs they want to control or subjugate. If they're confronted they can always fall back to "muh faith you can't disprove" etc. I view it more from a practical perspective that what is largely going on here is there is a type of power game being played.

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Yeah, his garbage fan-service book isn't a great introduction

Go back.

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Enjoy hell ;)

what's so special is that he's been dead seven years and you religitards are still bitching about him
nonexistent god bless his pickled soul

Pure cringe

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t. 105 IQ