Now, I'm being serious, I don't want some anime shitpost thread...

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anta baka?!?

How are we supposed to know what feelings you had?

evangelion was influenced by the arthur c clark book childhoods end

there is no such book. anime is a superior artistic medium to literature, this is why. I stopped reading about the same time I started watching anime(age twenty-three) and I haven't gone back. words on a page can't compete with pic related. the mixture of visual, auditory, and written artwork as well as the exploration of the ideal in the female companionship our instincts force us to crave, effectively replacing that aspect of our livelihood with something more efficient.

I am being 100% unironic here. books are fucking toilet paper compared to anime. I've read an enormous portion of both Yea Forums's and academia's meme books and I'd erase them from my memory in exchange for a good fifty episode mahou shoujo series. literally give up on literature, it's outdated technology. everything you need to know can be learned through more concise articles and audio material, any story you want to hear can be more skillfully and efficiently portrayed in another medium. save yourself money on toilet paper and start bringing books from your shelf of egotism to the bathroom to rip up.

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somewhat alright meme

>click on image
>Yea Forums 2019

it's an age-old question

What are the feelings did end of evangelion cause you to have? How is anyone supposed to answer this question when you dont fully explain your request?

if you watch it i think you'll understand

I could write a book on EoE so I know the feeling you're talking about, no there is nothing else, its one of a kind, best you can do is read other kinds of intense subjective philosophy that touch on the same things the show does, desire, suffering, finitude, etc. Start with Schelling, Kierkegaard, Zizek.

post mal

myanimelist.net/profile/Arboria

how's sarazanmai

something else, makes sense given that it's ikuhara. had me laughing for three minutes solid just from the absurdity of what I was watching. I'd recommend the first episode to anyone though that doesn't mean you'll like it. reminds me of revue starlight's first episode.

ah cool
one of my buddies told me that it follows the same formula as YKA (i.e throws a lot of weird shit at you right from the bat) but just does it a lot better, so i'm looking forward to it

*off

I loved utena and didn't like penguindrum. wipe me arse with penguindrum honestly. I never finished YKA, having a significant distaste for yuri is a huge part of that but I've been tempted to revisit it lately. watched half of it but barely remember a damned thing about it other than beargirls and rifles. maybe after I'm done with zeta.

How do you even do that?

i enjoyed penguindrum, but yeah i prefer utena too. i love its repetitive ritualistic theatrics: all the talk about fate, astrology and symbolism everywhere, amazing music, it's beautiful

YKA is weird in how the first half of it is pretty fucking bad and then it magically gets OK after one certain episode lmao

Anime is more like music than literature, in that it's easier to consume.
Also among anime I'd ask the question. Apart from Lain and Ghost in the Shell, there aren't many such great works for me either.
Neurotypical anime is a NEET kind of waste of time.
But I'm still hopefull that there will come some good writer out of the related cypher space. It's why much Land is taking off, it keeps on hitting the spot - except there is no honest unconditional nor an individualist acc branch yet, which is what the appeal of NGE is, in large parts. (And the sexy kids appeal, but I can hope the space can work without it)

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The easiest way to tell whether a weeb can be redeemed or not is by asking them about their opinion on EoE. If they praise it, then they are lost, completely and utterly. You should immediately drop all contact with them and never even think of them again. But if there is still a spark of humanity left in their pornsick head and they call out EoE for what it is, a vapid, soulless cashgrab that retroactively ruined the TV series finale then there might still be hope for them left.

Are there any books like the TV ending -- not in presentation necessarily, but in the themes its dealing with? I preferred that to EoE honestly.

I like that ending more too. It was hilarious.

What's the matter, to hard?

The penguin squawking during the "congratulations" is the best part.

THE FACT THAT IT IS «HILARIOUS» TO YOU IS INDICATIVE OF YOUR FRIVOLITY.

have sex

no that's great

faggy gimmick

At least I liked it

People acting like it’s one of a kind when it’s pretty much just this but an anime

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No Longer Human might do the trick? Or

This guy again. To put it another way: Demian is basically Eva if Shinji met Kaworu at the start and the story revolved around their relationship.

Yes, and Kaworu is the best. But don’t forget his mother Rei.

Frau Eva is pretty much all the women put into one. Her name is even Eva.

Same question as OP, but with Lain.

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CCRU writings and Baudrillard

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edgy, overrated, and juvenile?

picrelated is the epitome of female companionship, but she's not expressible in visual form because of subtlety of her reactions and viewer is not even remotely as attentive as Kyon/author.

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based and TVseriespilled

cringe and bluepilled

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What does the hand represents

So is Gravity's Rainbow something that's at least readable for someone who hasn't read very many books in the past couple of years
I'm very interested, but I'm afraid my brain might be too dumb

Why did Shinjo cum on his hand
Like when I'm fapping I usually use a kleenex or something but even if those weren't available I would try not to get too much cum on my hand
And he's in a hospital room, the floors are white. No one's gonna notice if he cums on the floor.

Shinji in EoE isn't Shinji of the tv series.
He's an accelationist honker in disguise

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Explain this meme.
I've seen it in the read/expected/got threads and it's really made me curious.

those look like Kaworu's pecs rather than Asuka's tits

Anything recommended on the space taoism / accelerationism threads

I got the same feeling from Brothers Karamazov.
Smerdyakov is Shinji, but older.

Alright I think I'm gonna read Demian, and eventually Gravity's Rainbow
Would read Steppenwolf but my library doesn't have it

maybe ender's game and the sequels?

I'd read Steppenwolf after Demian for sure. It's pretty much Demian but for someone who went through the same process in his 40's/50's instead of adolescence.

This guy again.
Just wanna shout out Ender's Game like . The central character is p. similar to Shinji and has to go through a very similar experience.

The books after it are vastly different though, so keep that in mind if you get to those.

>Favorite people
>Hitler, Adolf

youtube.com/watch?v=rHIvs0Q-uKI
I recommend this analysis. It seems a lot of people have no idea what eva is about.

I like it too, though it's primarily about the Rebuilds. I gained a sort of new respect for the Rebuilds through watching this, although they're still not my cup of tea. Looking forward to 4.0 though.

Interested in OP's question, but also interested in things similar to 25/26

You can't really understand eoe without 25/26 anyways

based and oldpilled

This will be asked about all singular works of art, it just so happens that this one has been seen by every single person on this website

> never really Cared about all the Evangelion praise and dodged it for years despite seeing it being cult worshipped on the internet
> Had only a vague notion pf the plot consisting of giant fighting robots piloted by teenagers
> Become friends with a boy who loves Evangelion
> Asked him to better explain the plot to me
> He talks about the second impact, the coming of the sons of Adam, the 17 angels, the seed of Lilith, the merging of Lilith and Adam, the third impact, the human instrumentality project
> Be fascinated by these mythological thriller aspects of the plot and immediately hop on to binge watch it
> The anime is actually about teenage coming of age cheap melodrama filled with sexual undertones and spiced with mecha action and sci-fi gibberish, desperately trying to appeal to a painfully obvious demographics of socially outcast, sexually frustrated male teens, which contemplate 90% of the weeaboo autistic anime watching fan base
> The aspects that originally caught my attention (adam, Lilith, the origin of the angels, the second and third impact) are scarcely present and make up for about 10% of the script.
> I expected a new age sci-fi cosmogony epic and got apocalypse: teenage mental health breakdown edition
I felt cheated.

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>desperately trying to appeal to a painfully obvious demographics of socially outcast, sexually frustrated male teens, which contemplate 90% of the weeaboo autistic anime watching fan base
ding ding ding ding you got the fucking point
now watch it again

I watched it and still don't somehow understand what feelings it gave to an anonymous imageboard user

and by that i mean you partially got the point, the point is that shinji is a pathetic beta like everyone watching and that you should stop being a pathetic self-pitying beta male and fucking live life, nerd
the problem is that none of the dumb nerds watching got the point, which leads to the rebuilds and even more people not getting the point
watch

Anne of Green Gables is one of Anno's favorite anime and he has a character repeat the show's final line in EoE. There's also a scene in Anne of Green Gables that's very similar to the weird congratulations end to NGE.

Dude. I got it. You don't have to explain it further.
The point is, I watched the anime with certain expectations and got frustrated because the anime is not about the apparent major plot, which is angel apocalypse. That's just a setting for the psychological conflicts of the teenage characters, and that's the actual major plot: what is going on inside shinji's mind. My point stands: I started watching the anime because of the angels and their origin. I couldn't care less about shinji and his mental problems.
You can actually seize the immensity of my frustration when the show not only neglected my original desires: it taunted me, it provoked me, it teased me, by showing me mere glimpses of what I was truly after. The few sequences that show the second impact aftermath: that was the reason I was watching that shit. That's what I wanted to see. They flaunted the objects of my affection in my face only to take it away moments later, only so I could know what I was missing.
You may imagine my orgasm when I watched the End of Evangelion and witnessed the third impact, right? NO. because instead of actually understanding what were the rules of the ritual and it's significance, we spent the next 30 minutes inside the head of the most boring and unimaginative character in the whole series: whiny shinji. Once again the anime showed me what I truly wanted, and gave me the opposite.
Evangelion was a masterpiece of frustration for me. I'll give them that.

That's like being annoyed that Crime & Punishment isn't about a serial killer trying to evade his punishment

>What literature could give me the same feelings as the End of Evangelion?

I honestly can't think of any.

It is such an unique experience, perhaps exclusive to the possibilities allowed by the anime format.

That's a perfect comparison, and I have actually read Crime and punishment, so your analogy really hit close to home.
I understand that. I'm not angry at the creators or skeptical about the fans. My frustration was of a personal kind. I committed a grave sin in the spectator moral code: I had expectations, whereas I should have jumped in the story without prejudices or preconceived ideas.
Still I'm just narrating my personal tale with Evangelion, I'm not trying to use this as some sort of argument to undermine the anime. I'm not making a moral judgment on behalf of its quality. The first half of the EoE, that is the entire military coup over Nerv headquarters is brilliantly directed, and Azuka's final battle is also superb. Still, as soon as the series goes back to being teen psychological drama, it loses me.

None, because books do not illicit feelings of shallowness or spadicism of ideas not full formed. Anyone intelligent enough to write a book is too intelligent to write an anime, or, for gods sakes, a manga.

rare to see an asukafag be this based

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Pic related isn't even that good. Nice try though, you almost made me think you were serious.

Yeah but EoE is actually good

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>spent 77 days of his life watching insect drawings

Disgusting.

american animation has no adult demographic. the best thing to ever come out of it was aeon flux and we haven't had anything anywhere near as good in almost thirty years. probably won't ever compete with anime really because of strong pedophilia taboos in the west.

I don't have a kaworu folder for appealing to faggots, sorry

>spent 77 days of his life squinting at autism scratches on paper
I am happier at my worst than you are at your best

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>the best thing to ever come out of it was aeon flux

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I can't think of any literature and I've never seen that movie but NeiR: Automata gave me the feeling I'm pretty sure you're describing.

Something about the Japanese. They're good at it.

I do this and it's still kind of mediocre

name a better american animation series. I'd love it if such a thing existed, aeon flux is fantastic.

Please stop trolling. Your original post was funny enough, this is overkill.

>I am happier at my worst than you are at your best
Hey man, whatever you need to tell yourself to get through life. I'm sure you aren't a disgusting loser who compensates for not having anything in life with asian drawings with the equivalent storylines and writing quality of melodrama soaps on CBS.

when you turn 22 you wont care anymore

>anyone who disagrees with me is trolling
I said I was being 100% unironic and I mean it. I haven't read a book in almost a decade. I pity people that do. I exploit their desires as a career. if you cannot possibly comprehend that I am being truthful here then I also find aspects of your life enviable, for you've watched so little anime that mountains of incredible unwatched material lay before you that I no longer have access to.

your insults are too easy to dissect for me to give your criticisms of my lifestyle any authoritative value. for example, you admit that you have spent enough time familiarizing yourself CBS soap operas to use them in comparisons, or you have made a comment in ignorance. either way I cannot respect such a person. you also act as though asian drawings are something that cannot be "had", very strange. almost religious mindset. I cherish my collection of asian drawings, I've drawn much happiness and knowledge from them. I hope one day you learn to set your prejudice aside and do the same.

There's only been two anime movies that have ever challenged western supremacy in animation, and those are Akira and Spirited Away. Quite frankly, 85% of anime is dogshit, 10% is "watchable", and the remaining 5% is actually good.

>name a better american animation series.
Movies is where it shines, especially this is a thread about a specific movie, and also:
youtube.com/watch?v=CRUZZLhY5eo

The Prince of Egypt is plenty better than EoE and it's not even the best Western animated film, not even the top 10.

>Akira and Spirited Away
dude there's probably a board called r/anime that you would fit right in on

>genuine sincerity
>for all of this

My condolences.

I don't watch anime, but of those I've seen, those are the only ones with any genuine high-art merit.

those aren't even the movies with the best animation from those two studios...those are just a couple of movies that are extremely popular with western audiences, reflecting your ignorance of the medium. narrowing things down to movies is a silly thing to do in the first place given that the bulk of animated media in both hemispheres lies in television series. even then, if you include OVA(straight to VHS films) japan's adult demographic absolutely dwarfs america's. I've also never seen an american animated movie that comes close to Redline's quality of animation, a 2009 frame-by-frame hand-drawn film. if for some reason animation quality is the only thing you are considering out of a myriad of aspects that make visual media enjoyable.

if 10% of anime is watchable and 5% is actually good, that's over 3500 titles that are watchable and over 1800 titles that are good. that's incredible compared to america's tiny pool of animation which is almost entirely comprised of things oriented toward children.

nice kid's movie.

>I don't watch anime
obviously you are a fantastic authority on comparing american and japanese animation, then.

whimper

>whimper
Hahahaha, well meme'd, I'd actually rather not argue with a mentally unstable incel who could go postal and murder himself and his family over someone telling him his chink drawings suck on Yea Forums.

you mean you don't know how to argue without screwing up admitting you either watch CBS soaps or argue in ignorance. better just fling insults, staying on subject is too hard.

>those aren't even the movies with the best animation from those two studios...those are just a couple of movies that are extremely popular with western audiences,
Actually they are. In terms of their animation mixed with their well written and characterized story, they actually achieve a level of human emotion and sympathy for their characters and their actions. This is because the vast majority of anime are drawn and written by shut-ins who are more than afraid of just interacting with people, but find humans uninteresting. I myself have misanthropic tendencies, but that's far from me saying that humans aren't "interesting."

Endless Waltz, Princess Mononoke, My Neighbor Totoro, they all carry that intrinsic flatness and uninterested wax-doll style that keeps them from shining, and this is at the beginning of that trend in anime, to make all characters look like non-humans, before it turned into straight moe-shit.

>japan's adult demographic absolutely dwarfs america's
Means literally nothing. You can talk about your "adult" demographic nonsense all you want, but if the overwhelming majority of the "adult" material is what a manchild considers "adult" then there's nothing explicitly "adult" about it to begin with. There are more adult themes in Hunchback of Notre Dame then there are in 95% of anime.

Guys can we get back to the topic at hand

>if 10% of anime is watchable and 5% is actually good, that's over 3500 titles that are watchable and over 1800 titles that are good. that's incredible compared to america's tiny pool of animation which is almost entirely comprised of things oriented toward children.
Pretty sure that was "relatively speaking" since nobody has seen every single anime.

I can smell the raging butthurt from here.

I would enjoy anime if the art style didn't look like constant rainbow vomit and digital copy-and-paste. Anime stopped being good sometime after the 90s. I glance over at what's currently trending in japan and... it just... looks... soulless.

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Childhood is idolizing the east

Adulthood is idolizing the west

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you already said you don't watch anime. do you seriously lack this much self-awareness that you would speak about something you admit you are unfamiliar with in such an authoritative tone? you're essentially a child walking up to a guy with a bachelor's in biology condescendingly talking about how babies come from storks. I'll engage with you anyway as shitting on people online is my hobby.

well first you were talking about "animation" alone, maybe you were just being careless with your language. akira isn't particularly significant in it's story, setting, or animation. in fact it's fairly juvenile compared to things like LoGH, gundam, ohata material, key, and masamune material. it doesn't even hold up to the film this thread is discussing in any of these categories.

>how to train your dragon, cars 2, and the doug movie simply don't compete with japanese animation
this would be an equivalent to the argument you are making listing some children's movies you're aware of that you didn't like. weird thing talking about characters that look like non humans while defending western animation which is notorious for drawing absolutely whacky disgusting humanoid characters via things such as the simpsons, fairly oddparents, dexter's laboratory etc.

maybe what you said is true and you just aren't very familiar with anime?

I mean if "adult demographic" isn't relevant when comparing animation why aren't you going into literature threads here and talking about the series of unfortunate events series, artemis fowl, and goosebumps? it would be equivalent.

>There are more adult themes in Hunchback of Notre Dame then there are in 95% of anime.
then there are 1800 titles with more adult themes than hunchback of notre dame according to you, quite a lot.(not really true though considering there's more than 1800 ecchi titles alone)

>I glance over
have you tried watching it instead? technology's come a long way since the 90s, much of the visuals in webm related weren't possible twenty years ago. and this is low budget compared to stuff pooped out back then.

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>12943053
damage control

>you already said you don't watch anime. do you seriously lack this much self-awareness that you would speak about something you admit you are unfamiliar with in such an authoritative tone?
You already said you don't read books, do you seriously lack this much self-awareness that you would speak about something you admit you are unfamiliar with in such an authoritative tone?

> I'll engage with you anyway as shitting on people online is my hobby.
No, you'll do it because you crave some level of interaction beyond the mannequin facsimile created for you by your japanese overlords that have conned you into wasting your life staring at their meaningless drivel.

>in fact it's fairly juvenile compared to things like LoGH
Ah yes, LoGH, the shitty space opera that spawned a million /pol/ memes who quoted it ironically because of how flat-faced retarded it sounded, an excellent mature, adult piece of entertainment. The reason you say those things are "more mature" than Akira is because you don't understand Akira, because you're as much of a cloistered, unwilling-to-mature fanboy of trivial escapism as the people who made your faux-intellectual animations. You delude yourself into some sort of enlightened mentality to trick yourself that you're not a colossal burden on everyone around you, using the pretense of obscure japanese cartoons to feign some sort of relevance in an online setting such as Yea Forums of all places.

> it would be equivalent.
Because Hunchback of Notre Dame is significantly more meaningful than those, because like I said, it has more mature content that adults can personally relate to and sympathize with, as with most pre-2000 Disney animated films.

>then there are 1800 titles
I haven't seen 1800 titles, so those are all irrelevant to me. Like it was posted here
Relatively speaking, only 5% of the anime's are good. By that, I mean of what I've seen. For all I know, 1794 of those titles could be the absolute worst crap anyone has ever seen.

>all that flash
>so little substance

Find me a single anime in all the thousands of animations made that can even remotely compare to the delicate, simple, and blissful hopes and dreams of this scene, complete with the elegantly mirrored human rhythm
youtube.com/watch?v=qA7XKmC5QbQ

I said I stopped reading books, there's a difference. I specifically stated I've read a good amount of Yea Forums's and academia's meme material, which is true, whereas judging from the few films you've mentioned it's common for most twelve year olds to have watched more anime than you. either way, tu quoque isn't an argument, I could have read around five children's books total in my life and argue against literature on the same level that you self-admittedly watch anime.

clownish to call akira more "mature" than LoGH. you know you'd really like that series if you have an interest in literature, right? I recommend you watch it instead of pretend to hate something you haven't watched because you're butthurt someone that knows a lot more about something you decided to argue with told you that you were wrong. LoGH is possibly one of the greatest achievements in the entire medium of visual entertainment. gundam, ohata, and masamune cover everything akira covers and much, much, MUCH more. sometimes in single movies. particularly gundam given the sheer volume of material, but even in short features such as thunderbolt you'll find more mature themes than akira. you're just being silly at this point and depriving yourself from excellent material if you really enjoyed akira that much. like, I even strongly and kindly recommend watching this material if you're this large of a fan of akira to defend it against things you have no knowledge of. I've never read a novel as compelling as watching LoGH was.

notre dame having some content that adults can relate to and sympathize with may be relatively true in the narrow category of western animated films and the five japanese animated films you've watched, but there's a reason japanese adults watch a different set of material(a very large different set of material with thousands of titles). literally the movie this thread was made about covers more mature themes, everything that's covered in hunchback and more, and it's not particularly mature relative to the bulk of 80s-90s sci-fi OVA/film and seinen. maybe you don't really know what you're talking about because you haven't watched a lot of anime as you said?

>for all I know
you mean nothing because you don't watch anime?

a single? I can do way better than that, that's literally what the entirety of princess tutu was about for one thing. was basically 26 episodes of specifically what you just posted except with more mature content, much more story told through dance(it's ballet after all and that's the point of ballet) and much more character and emotional development due to it being significantly longer in running time than anastasia. not to mention it primarily being to the backdrop of tchaikovsky which is better music as well. if you find that scene from anastasia compelling, you will definitely love princess tutu. you'd also probably enjoy versailles no bara, utena, oniisama e, 90s shoujo in general really and even aspects of mahou shoujo. such a diverse medium...if you familiarized yourself with it you'd definitely get into it if you are so passionate about such a boring scene from such a boring children's movie.

also in context that scene really isn't as interesting as the webm I posted, unironically the entire five minute segment surrounding that webm is a lot more substantial and interesting than a couple of people dancing. maybe you would know this had you actually watched the anime instead of compared two things you don't fully understand. I however have watched both anastasia and revue starlight.

>technology's come a long way since the 90s
That's probably an argument suited more AGAINST current anime rather than FOR it, since artstyle has deteriorated.
I've caught wind (of a possible meme/inaccuracy) that something has caused this to be, whether it's incompetence on the current generation of anime artists or if it's more of a budgetary cut issue.
And honestly, I've grown allergic to anime tropes. Especially the comedic shit. I'm just curious but: have the old and tiring comedic tropes of anime evolved, or are they still the same?
Nowadays I usually try to go for something more serious and not exaggerated.
But I'm a 31 year-old male who hasn't enjoyed anime in well over 10 years and have been slamming to metal and reading fantasy so I guess I've grown too out of that.
This pretty much seems to be what happened to me.

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>I said I stopped reading books, there's a difference
Much like I "stopped watching anime" after I turned, oh, I don't know, 19.

>it's common for most twelve year olds to have watched more anime than you
It's probably also common that most twelve year olds have better taste than you, since they've watched about as much as they've needed.

> LoGH is possibly one of the greatest achievements in the entire medium of visual entertainment.
It's not even fit enough for me to order off amazon just to burn for memepoints on the internet, let alone being significant in any regard other than keeping children like you from doing anything worth-while in life such as finding someone you love, starting a family, or building a career.

>cover everything akira covers
I've seen plenty of Gundam when I was younger and none of it was particularly stimulating. Big O is another thing I'll actually add to the list of "good," not so much for it's story but more for its themes and animation. Go figure that the reason it exists is because of huge Western inspiration, particularly Batman and it's fusion of noir silhouetting against an art deco world.

>you mean nothing because you don't watch anime?
No, everything because I read, watch film and animation, and listen to music, music that is more advanced far beyond your comprehension no less.

>everything that's covered in hunchback and more
Name 5 adult messages contained with Hunchback of Notre Dame, each one being its own sentence.

>doesn't post any examples
>look it up
>it's moe-shit
>watch examples
>it's garbage
>movements are simple and lack the fluidity and rhythm of human equivalence
>lacks genuine emotion for stunted exaggeration expressions expected of all moe-shit

BIG YIKES

"art used to be better" is a strange myth, particularly when it comes to female characters as they are literally sieved and perfected through the process of capitalistic demand. inferior character design doesn't compete economically. and most people with expendable income aren't interested in men, though I imagine their design is influenced by what looks cool to young males in the shounen demographic and what looks attractive to women in the shoujo/josei demographics, and has probably improved relative to those markets. the seinen demographic is primarily interested in female character design, so what you might be confused about is 80s/90s male designs appearing more "realistic", but these were geared toward international adult video rental audiences(possibly you) which is a very different demographic.

I might actually be able to help you if you can explain what "serious comedy" means, which seems like an oxymoron to me but I presume I just don't know what you mean.

I've simply stopped reading what you're posting as someone came along that's more interesting to talk to

what? "moeshit"? because it has female characters? I mean, anastasia is "moeshit" then...I don't get it...

and was animation quality all you were interested in? no, japan doesn't spend as much money on animation of television series as disney does on children's movies. that's not the primary interest of it's audiences. if animation is the only thing you are concerned about, well, honestly the animation in the webm I posted and the surrounding sequence is better than that dance scene and more interesting. maybe consider watching these things instead of complaining about things you haven't watched.

>movements are simple and lack the fluidity and rhythm of human equivalence
the ballet in tutu is pretty good, maybe you should watch it instead of skim around for things to reinforce your biases and talk authoritatively about media you haven't experienced. I am being sincere when I say that anyone who genuinely finds that scene from anastasia compelling will get a lot more out of watching the entirety of princess tutu. if you turn off your cognitive dissonance you could benefit from this discussion instead of walk away angry.

>lacks genuine emotion
not something anyone would say that's watched princess tutu, it's emotional weight is primarily what it's praised for. are you sure you aren't just blindly raging about things you don't understand? emotional depth is a primary trait of shoujo and josei in general, never really seen anything that approaches it's level in western animation or western visual media in general.

>I've simply stopped reading what you're posting as someone came along that's more interesting to talk to
Of course you have, because I asked you to straight-forward substantiate the claims you've made in the form of a written interpretations which you obviously couldn't do, so now you're ignoring me.

Don't worry, I'll continue to post though, just for you.
>particularly when it comes to female characters as they are literally sieved and perfected through the process of capitalistic demand. inferior character design doesn't compete economically. and most people with expendable income aren't interested in men,
They've found the cheapest, quickest, and most shallow ways of expressing the female body which in turn results in sum zero gain due to the fact that it adds nothing of substance to any genre or any medium. The "things" put on display in the vast amount of anime is not female by an idea of what they think a female is, portrayed perhaps almost symbiotically by their ego's believing what they deserve but unable to substantiate any physical equivalent so it becomes mere fantasy and falls from being human to sub-human, unable to achieve even what the West achieved in the 20's with Betty Boop.

>I've read harry potter, the hunger games, and twilight now let me tell you about how bad literature is

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>what? "moeshit"? because it has female characters? I mean, anastasia is "moeshit" then...I don't get it...
Hahaha, oh no, not at all. Moe-shit is the "big eyes, flat shading" method developed in the east which puts the idea of static, same-faced "cuteness" above all else, including depth of movement and fluidity of transition frames, opting to use flashes and distorted stick-appendages to imply fast movement. It's the Cal-Arts of the East, aimed at weaboos and designed to appeal to those who are unable to discern quality art from the cardboard cut-outs they use in moe-style anime, AKA, the dominant style.

>well, honestly the animation in the webm I posted and the surrounding sequence is better than that dance scene and more interesting.
Honestly it's not. If you compare the movements, the difference is night and day. One uses long-standing static shots to show her character through subtle movements while all the movement in your atrocity of a webm was done through large, quick-cut, distorted, rumble-shaking action shots with barely any transition to show the movements. You'd have done a better job showing something from One Punch Man.

>the ballet in tutu is pretty good
Having spent time looking at the """"ballet"""" it's nothing but static shots of poses mixed with quick transitions between keyframes, there's hardly any fluidity, it's all rigidly produced from one keyframe to the next and uses dream scenes and cut-out goof scenes to elicit comedy when alls it elicits is the ut-most cringe, lacking the fluidity of frame movement of something as simply as a woman kneeling, like in Anastasia, which has more feeling and impact than the entirety of Princess Tutu combined, I can only imagine (if that is indeed what the series is like from start to finish). I almost laughed watching examples. It's disgusting and embarrassing from an animation perspective.

oh, it's you. skimmed over your statement, saw this
>which has more feeling and impact than the entirety of Princess Tutu combined
you haven't watched it...no self-awareness, which is why I've lost interest in reading what you say. you'd love it, take the anger off and go enjoy a masterpiece of media for someone who's so passionate about a single dance scene in a children's movie. same goes for LoGH and gundam when it comes to a love for akira. thunderbolt alone should be enough to blow your mind and humble your opinions, it's about the same length as akira.

>princess tutu, it's emotional weight is primarily what it's praised for. are you sure you aren't just blindly raging about things you don't understand? emotional depth is a primary trait of shoujo and josei in general, never really seen anything that approaches it's level in western animation or western visual media in general.

Someone screencap this, ho lawdy, send this to Yea Forums and have them laugh their fucking asses off

Well. I'll just describe things that annoy me in anime.
>High-pitched girls squeeing.
>Somebody says something and everyone in the room falls over because they're thinking " durrrr! "
>nosebleeds
>asuka-clones throwing fits at beta male shinji-clones
>useless protagonists
>i just got severely hurt in the last episode, but in this episode, on the same day, i am walking it off with no problems
>sailormoon/ginyu force posing
That's all I can think of.
as far as artstyle, well, I can say that I still appreciate the character design in Akira. I used to like Toriyama and even stuff like CLAMP (X/1999) as well as Gundam Wing-type design, but being honest to myself I kind of don't. Anything more rainbowy than that crosses the line for me. I really hate seeing rainbow hair.

princess tutu is pretty well-liked on Yea Forums and everywhere in general. in fact it's one of the only series that doesn't really attract much dislike, pretty rare. usually such series are older shoujos. versailles no bara is another example. you'd probably like it. same with oniisama e, though I don't particularly like that one. I'm a very unusual exception but I wouldn't rage about it.

>paper from books used as toilet paper
>Clogging the toilet like a dumb cunt

Have you ever used a toilet?

Rebellion is actually much better than any piece of literature to have come out this millennium

Knowing him I doubt he's used a shower in the last 8 years.

>pretty well liked
>the greatest thing ever

Two very different things.

>you haven't watched it...no self-awareness, which is why I've lost interest in reading what you say.
If what I've seen online from examples of it are any indication, I'd prefer not to.

> you'd love it, take the anger off and go enjoy a masterpiece of media for someone who's so passionate about a single dance scene in a children's movie.
As I've stated, if what I've seen online is any indication, the show is a joke and the only thing I'd get out of it is laughing at it ironically while throwing popcorn and shit at my screen. Again, Akira seems to shit on it night and day from an animation perspective, and if the synopsis of its plot is anything to go by, it's not even worth listening to in audio format either.

>same goes for LoGH and gundam when it comes to a love for akira. thunderbolt alone should be enough to blow your mind and humble your opinions, it's about the same length as akira.
Good animation is as timeless as architecture. Akira is unusurpable because it is one of a kind. Watching some mecha-shit wouldn't change my mind about it any sooner than reading the Peaceable Kingdom would change my mind that the Count of Monte Cristo is an unassailable classic.

well if comedy is what you're after you're not going to get far without being accepting of female characters because that's what most adult men are interested in for some unusual reason. for that unusual reason I'm also not very well-informed on comedy series that don't center around a female cast of colorful sexualized squeeling tsunderes. the only things I can think of in recent times that I've watched that's comedy that doesn't fit what you're talking about are tiramisu, sakamoto desu ga, and hinamatsuri.

if you're just talking about anime in general there's still a lot of level headed material that doesn't have the problems you're complaining about. I'm not particularly well-versed here either because I prefer female characters but I've seen onihei, vatican kiseki chousakan(how are those for character designs? vatican's got a pretty hilarious first arc btw...), houseki no kuni, angolmois, inuyashiki, die neue these, drifters?, grimgar?, rakugo shinjuu, arslan senki, goblin slayer? lots of shots in the dark there but it does show you that anime isn't all squealing """moeshit""" these days. I find houseki no kuni particularly worthwhile out of this material for just about any viewer.

CLAMP are still one of my favorite character designers

shut up faggot

I never said it was.

thunderbolt has significantly better animation than akira. not even really a contest there. more mature themes and compelling characters too. ironically some very similar themes. you'd probably like it.

miradasdecine.es/2016/01/pov-de-mobile-suit-gundam-thunderbolt.html

also should add galaxy angel is probably the best comedy series I've ever seen out of literally everything in my life, though it's older. some of the jokes in that series are...advanced. there was some kind of genius on the writing staff, can't comprehend how some of the humor was conceived of. there's also stuff dumber than banana peels though.

>more mature themes
Highly unlikely.

>better animation
I mean, if we're including animation that has a heavy helping of "CGI" well...

youtube.com/watch?v=tyVnJjE9sDo

I’ll admit I unironically prefer the tv ending. The last scenes of the empty movie theater and stuff were cool.

>well if comedy is what you're after
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not. It actually feels like anything worthwhile is coincidentially stuffed with bad comedy tropes.
Oh, another thing I absolutely detest in anime, and hope they've done away with, but I'm not going to assume they did since teens will always be new to what adults consider cliché.
>male character is dying. Woman cradles him. He says, "I... I was too much of a fag... to tell you... how I feel... since... afterall... the masses love cliché drama so... now that I'm dying... I have a confession to make... I love you... x_x "

well I consider child soldiers and the concept of sacrificing portions of your body and organs to improve your combat condition a little more advanced than some kids fucking with an outdated japanese misinterpetation of natural selection.

CGI is specifically why akira's animation has been archaic for two decades now. not that someone who doesn't watch anime would understand anything other than memes. only a small fraction of CGI is clunky 3D models in low budget productions. though if you want something clean, there's always redline taking a huge shit on old stuff like akira.

I’d argue that the main thing holding anime back is the lack of money compared to the golden age before piracy

If everyone paid $15 for their new kyoni series or whatever maybe there’d eventually be enough money in the system for something really ambitious. As it is half the shows coming out have to go use certain tropes or risk never being in the black.

I'm not too familiar with that trope because I primarily watch series centered around retarded adolescent females where heterosexual romance is fairly taboo. who wants to buy merch of some slut that kisses boys? I don't. seems like something that might still thrive in the shounen demographic but I don't see any reason why an adult would dig into that outside of maybe some traditional urge to watch dragonball or something. and even then I couldn't tell you if that's what dragonball is like because I don't see the appeal of muscular men.

>sacrificing portions of your body and organs to improve your combat condition
That was done in fucking Starfox, lmao.

>CGI is specifically why akira's animation has been archaic for two decades now. not that someone who doesn't watch anime would understand anything other than memes. only a small fraction of CGI is clunky 3D models in low budget productions. though if you want something clean, there's always redline taking a huge shit on old stuff like akira.
Imagine actually thinking this, lmao.

>well I consider child soldiers
In Pinocchio, you had a man turning children into donkeys and then using them for slave labor.

I primarily watch series centered around retarded adolescent females where heterosexual romance is fairly taboo.
Is this a falseflag post?
Are you saying this shit is actually being marketed?

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flip flappers was a serious tragedy in this regard. it pushed boundaries and was something really original, but they call it "flip floppers" for a reason. show had so many budget problems and ship jumping that they changed writers and fumbled the ending, worsening the problem.

episode three of flip flappers is worth anyone's time, by the way, even if you aren't interested in the rest of the series. one of the greatest episodes of anything I've ever seen in my life as it stands alone. I also enjoy episode eight quite a bit for similar reasons.

>I don't want some anime shitposting thread

>literally turns into an anime shitposting thread

Imagine my shock

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the first line

yeah, you're right, starfox and pinocchio cover more mature themes than akira.

you could just watch it instead of talking out your ass. it's about the same length as akira. you'd probably love it.

Are you just recommending people bad anime on purpose? Because that's what it feels like you're doing.

>you could just watch it instead of talking out your ass
Ironic, coming from the shitposting retard that said "I'm ignoring you now" the very second that he was asked to produce a list of 5 adult messages in Hunchback, in detail.

that's the main thing the seinen demographic is interested in. it's notoriously poorly understood by people who aren't familiar with the material, has been since the phenomenon began in the late 80s. it's also where you find people like me who will adamantly tell you that anime is one of the greatest artistic achievements of mankind. the fact that it's effectively replacing my desire to interact with women is one of the chiefly misunderstood aspects. apes who think of nothing but touching orifices that think of it as some kind of "pathetic copout/incel cope" etc. are ironically the reason why it's seen as such a masterpiece of artistic technology by those who consume it. because they see people who spend enormous amounts of time and resources pursuing wet monkey holes often unconsciously on pure instincts as even more pathetic, and the things they are pursuing as significantly inferior compared to fictional women. I'd probably still be doing gay shit like reading books if I hadn't discovered this unshackling aspect of the medium. now I have enough time and resources to do things like mine lode deposits and spend months straight doing nothing but writing and shitposting because I don't spend any time or resources pursuing women.

bad anime? so you're attacking me, then. alright. I'll break down your lazy shitpost, fuck it.

"bad" requires a context of comparison to have any meaning whatsoever. this is basic linguistic philosophy. absolute basics. what are these titles I'm recommending that are "bad", and what are some good titles that cause this adjective to have meaning?

some of what I have listed wasn't too good in my opinion though, but I was trying to help a guy find series he likes who has very opposing tastes to my own. I'm not a big fan of inuyashiki, goblin slayer, rakugo, angolmois, arslan senki, or drifters for example.

I never noticed, what a silly thing to ask. I'm not really interested in breaking down a random children's movie for the same reason I'm not really interested in thoroughly reading your posts. watch more anime.

the book and french musical are much better than the disney movie by the way, I especially recommend the musical as books are a waste of time compared to superior mediums. the play improves the book, the disney movie is much worse. fantastic play, some great songs.

>sacrificing portions of your body and organs to improve your combat condition
>This was done in Starfox, lmao.
umm, which starfox are we talking about?

What's the Tatami Galaxy of literature? Particularly episode 10

How do you find the time to watch so many anime? Serious question, I want to watch more but I feel like I cant find any time to do it.

This thread must be some kind of parody, isnt it?

>No-one who has not experienced it can have any idea of the enthusiasm that burst forth among the half-starved, exhausted soldiers when the Emperor was there in person. If all were demoralised and he appeared, his presence was like an electric shock. All shouted 'Vive l'Empereur!' and everyone charged blindly into the fire
and even more so, this actually happened in real life
the appearance of a single man instantly gave a jab of adrenaline to people that thought all was lost

why don't men like him exist anymore?

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Maybe your cartoons are simpler to gangster rap and Hip&Hop but it doesn’t hold a candle the subtle undertones of classical music, the pure emotion of an orchestral piece.

If you mean animation in general then Moral Orel.

I will grab the opportunity of this shitfest and ask for recommendations. Can anyone recommend me some European animation? A few years back I saw Fehérlófia and it was amazing. But I know nothing about that tradition. Saw a few stop-motion stuff but that's it.

La Planète Sauvage

>33
>Started watching anime 10 years ago (23)
>Only have 77 days
Nice try