What is the meaning of Catholicism today?

>Keep in mind we are not out to make a better world.
I think everyone's aware of that at this point.

Category mistake. The Body of Christ is not an institution.

>cringe
>söyface

>evincing your bias against your own spiritual needs on an anonymous Eritrean bookbinding forum
You lads need to pray the most. Go ahead, look up and say aloud an Our Father. You won't be talking to yourself.

Indeed; Vatican II notes that the body of Christ of composed of all people who are baptized, which includes Protestants. So it isn't coterminous with Catholic Church.

Jesus fuck, why the hell do people make this ultra corny videos over reacting about a shitty trailer?

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Yes it is. Being a defective Catholic, i.e. a baptised person outside the Church, doesn't make you any less a member of the Catholic Church in essence, only a defective one alienated from the teleology of participation in Christ's body of all the sacraments.

Ah, yes. This will surely get youths that are not from the Philippines or Nigeria attending mass.

Worse is that they simultaneously ascribe Divine Will to human activity in other contexts, claiming "God would not allow His Church/Scripture/Doctrine to be corrupted/lost/etc" when asked about Christianity relative to other religions that were once believed in and now extinct except in museums. Claiming that the endurance of Christianity is a sign of it being Divinely blessed, that the global success of an originally local religion is a testament to God's existence and grace being given to it, etc. Asked about all the corruption, however, and now it's just "human misdoing".

I always feel like they're putting on an act. I've never had a reaction like that to anything, no matter how much I'm interested in it.

I actually was interested in becoming a Catholic at one point, but the more I learned, the more cognitive dissonance I felt. I eventually had to give up the endeavor since I couldn't bear the mental burden. I imagine that being a true believer in this sort of thing today, with what's going on in the Church and the amount of information you have access too, must be sort of like being a victim of brainwashing, or of Stockholm syndrome.

t. doesn't understand how providence works.
Start with Proclus. Providence acts through humans when we align our will to Gods. We have the free choice to reject that providence and ignore God's will. So far enough cooperate.

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No pearls for you then piggy.

>Yes it is. Being a defective Catholic
I'm sure if they went to a few puppet masses or saw some impressive liturgical dance they would understand what they're missing out on.

>Everything that supports Catholicism is providence everything that doesn't support Catholicism is not providence
Very deep

nu-Mass made priests the centre of attention as stage show entertainers. Not surprising they feel the need ham it up and act.

I am a Catholic, born and raised. Left the faith for many years then returned. The Church is very much a political organization, with all the backstabbing and intrigues you'd expect. There are not very many priests that I respect. Especially the more visible ones, who spend all day on Twitter passing judgment on the actions of others or repeating Chicago party talking points instead of loving and praising Christ.

But fuck them. The supernatural calling to the priesthood is real, but these are still mortals we're dealing with. They make mistakes, serious ones. Even trespass against the Church. So fuck 'em. Go to confession, go to Mass, pray daily, and try to live according to the Word.

Proclus isn't a Catholic. Yes God necessarily has perfect will, what part of God's attributes do you not understand?

You know one of the Apostles was Judas Iscariot, right?

Well the gay ones would make some new friends at least!

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I mean to say: your local parish priest can't fuck it up if he performs the Mass to the standard. regardless of what some dumbass star wars priest 2000 miles away did, or what stupid thing that Democrat stooge said on Twitter. we've had this heresy before (Donatists). confession and celebration of the Mass will reconcile you with God. even a bad priest and a bad Church can't destroy that.

I wasn't talking about Proclus, but the argument you were attempting to make.

They don't destroy the mass, they destroy people's faith. That's what Catholicism is focused on doing today.

that's what I'm talking about. you, the lay person, cannot participate in the Mass without faith. your faith should not be contingent upon your opinion of some dumbass zoomer priest (or bishop or cardinal or whomever) that you don't even know. none of the errors committed by the clergy will matter. they are sinners like you. Jesus is calling you both.

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I understand what you are saying, but the Church is effectively creating an environment designed to destroy the faith of its members. It is unholy and repulsive to God. Everything's fine on paper though so don't worry ;)

How would God's will (i.e. providence) be imperfect?

Isn't there something like 200,000 priests? Pretty much any organization the size of the priesthood will have some sociopaths and Satanists and queers and liberals and pedophiles slip in. It's statistically inevitable, even if the church wasn't desperate for new blood and had better screening methods. Any organization has that problem, from the public school system to the military to the medical field. I'm a Baptist and the assistant pastor at my church turned out to be a modalist. One bad apple got into the original 12 Apostles and Jesus himself was running HR back then. The serpent got into the garden of Eden. If you want a perfect institution free from all sinners you won't find it in this world, and that's never what the Church was supposed to be, at least until the world is over. I understand if you reject Catholicism on theological grounds, but rejecting it because less than one percent of its priests commit heinous crimes that go against the teachings of their faith isn't a legit reason to reject Catholicism or any religion. Church higher ups tried to cover up the crimes but you'd better believe any organization from corporations to fraternies to Buddhist monestaries will try to hush up that kind of thing if they can, especially decades ago and especially in cases where there's no evidence except accusations. Christ said you have to watch out for wolves in sheeps clothing and he wasn't kidding. That doesn't mean there are no real sheep put there, or that you shouldn't join a flock.

noun. the faith, practice, and church order of the Roman Catholic Church

Anyone here think that those with the onions boy physiognomy would've been priests 60 years ago? Just a thought I'm having. I'm thinking the kind of incel tubby dudes into any form of "nerd culture" would've been working in the vatican in a previous life.

>the flyover cope.

Same as it always was:being opium for the people.

*blocks your path*

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No, they would have been snide modernists sitting in cafes 60 years ago.

I disagree. Read the Catechism. It's not tainted by politics and op-eds or scandal. The priesthood and its members are not the whole Church.