Are there good books with two persons in one body? Not personalities, but people. And where they have different sets of skills. I've got this story idea of twins, where one killed the other at some point but got a mage to transfer his soul into his own body because he regretted it later on and wanted his brother to live instead of him. The story plays when the second twin wakes up in the others body, doesn't know that it isn't his body and has no memories of his death and is in a faraway land. The story would revolve about him just trying to get by or maybe some quest while trying to figure out what's going on, while his brother sometimes takes control by force to save the body because he is a skilled fighter. But since I'm not a writefag I want to read about it. Can you guys recommend me any stories like this?
Landon Allen
Yeah, but I can't remember the title. Deep space voyage, female crew members died. Top insisted he wasn't gay.
I really don't understand why modern fantasy lit does stuff like this. Like, we can dream about a world with magic and dragons,but people acting different? No can do.
I only read part of the first book, but I liked him at the start, especially when he distrusted those damned gypsies (dropped book soon after that tho).
Luis Cook
I for one welcome the inevitable rise of waifu fantasy.
Probably would be better than usual shit we get these days.
Jordan Rivera
Based
Aaron Edwards
>the shorter the man the more powerful his psi powers are
Empress Game has the best magic system I've ever read
Connor Phillips
Just read anything that comes out of Nipland, they've built an entire industry on waifuism
Noah Miller
>it's an american author makes nobility look like a bunch of wimps when in real life they were a class of warriors who spent their entire life training for war episode
>there's a guy raging about how Sci-Fi is "like reading a computer manual" You are a fag. The guy was talking to the hardscifi fag who was getting uppiddy. I guess you are also a hard scififag. Yall can gtfo. We read both here, and both are discussed, not our fault you are a newfag. Go back to where you came from.
Liam Stewart
Is Jirel of Joiry a muscle girl waifu?
Luke Sanders
Hard sci-fi incels need to accept the fact their genre is incredibly unpopular and always has been and always will be AND is responsible for pulling science fiction out of the literary mainstream.
That's a book by a damn dirty commie, so you're clearly wrong. His white masculine physique is totally wasted on him when he subscribes to self-defeating left ideology, and not merely the Marxism, but much of the rest of the contemporary bile.
Ryder Allen
Nah it was pretty good, very well written.
Hunter Thompson
>What is Fellurian Felurian was cute as fuck though.
Owen Robinson
The lives of Tao series
Dylan Scott
Nobody was getting uppity. A guy honestly asked what fantasy fans like about fantasy, and the response was a sarcastic, "what do you like about sci-fi", followed by the unfounded accusation that the poster was "one of those hard sci-fi people", and the comparison to reading a computer manual. I don't know how you could come away from that exchange thinking that Sci-Fi fans are the problem. Like it or not, hard Sci-Fi is the purest form of Sci-Fi, and it's also one of the most popular. You can't in good faith claim that this general is supportive of both fantasy, and Sci-Fi, and then start shitting on hard Sci-Fi with absolutely no prompt. In neither this thread nor the last one has anyone attacked fantasy, but you, along with plenty of others, have had a jolly old time telling hard Sci-Fi fans that their genre is shit, and boring, and they all need to leave. This is not a debatable fact. You are, objectively, the hostile entity here. You are going out of your way to attack other people for enjoying different things than you, and you outright admit that you don't want them here. You are denying the problem, whilst contributing to the problem, probably because you know that the easiest solution to the problem would be to ban you. Oh, and I’m not automatically a newfag just because I expect better of this thread. You seem like one of those nutjobs who spams a board for literally years, and then claims that their spam is part of board culture now. No, hating hard Sci-Fi is not board culture just because you’ve been doing it for so long.
Samuel Bell
See:
Ethan Clark
Look here faggot >Not tryina bitch but what is so interesting about sci-fi anyway >The sci in it and the different dilemmas it presents >the sci in it >the unfounded accusation Are you one of those "special" people (read mentally retarded) that has to have everything spelt out to you in extreme detail? The guy was talking about hard-scifi, and everyone who read the posts agrees. You (as a hard scififag yourself) is the only one making noise.
If you like your boring modern day tech in the future, then good for you. But don't get vex when other people don't want to read about factual mathematics and scientific equations in a book about blowing up space marine squids from Neptune. Fuck off.
Dominic Lewis
This is a general fag, not a thread. There have been hundreds of sffg threads over the years. Calling this a thread makes it sound as if this contains the first post in the sffg general.
Also >You are, objectively, the hostile entity here >start shitting on hard Sci-Fi >going out of your way to attack other people for enjoying different things >Oh, and I’m not automatically a newfag just because I expect better of this thread.
You are a newfag because you are from rebbit. Not using breaklines doesn't hide the fact. When the three meme problem, and blindmeme were being forced shilled here, and we were called brainlet faggots for not reading it, did anyone start crying like you? There are charts for both scifi and fantasy, but your can't discuss the same shit over and over. You want us to discuss something? Post about it. You can't just come over here on your banana boat from redplace and expect us to conform to your expectations. Things are discussed that people post about. You want someone else to talk about shit so you can join in, with your lazy redbit ass. Just end your self or leave us.
Ethan James
>No, hating hard Sci-Fi is not board culture just because you’ve been doing it for so long. you what m8? Who is hating on scifi? Are you sick [in the head]? the monthly reading is a scifi book. not our fault we aren't discussing your favorite new YA scifi book. suggest your work and if others like it they will read and discuss. this is a free general, we aren't held to any rules like reddit. if you want change, be the change.
Thomas Harris
There is literally a guy in this thread saying that hard sci-fi fans are fags, they're all from reddit, and they need to get the fuck out. I do not have a problem with other people not reading hard Sci-Fi, but some people clearly do have a problem with me enjoying hard Sci-Fi. This whole fiasco started with somebody asking if we even talk about Sci-Fi in this thread, because it was so entirely dominated by fantasy. I raised the legitimate point that Sci-Fi is less popular, so the general usually archives before Sci-Fi discussion can take off. The only reason we’re talking about hard Sci-Fi is because some guy, entirely unprompted, started ranting about how hard Sci-Fi is the reason the Sci-Fi genre is so shit, and so I responded with the point that hard Sci-Fi falls under the purview of Sci-Fi, and so it should be accepted in this general. This is apparently a controversial opinion. All I’ve done since is respond to replies targeted specifically at me. You can't ask me direct questions, and then get mad at me for responding. If you want me to leave, just make a strawpoll about whether hard Sci-Fi should be welcome here, and I’ll submit to the democratic vote. If I want to talk about hard Sci-Fi in the future I’ll just have to make my own thread.
I've never been on reddit, and I've statistically probably been here longer than you.
>Who is hating on scifi? The guy I'm responding to.
Levi Jenkins
the guy is clearly from /outerlit/. dont bother responding to him.
Ian Roberts
Books are fun to read you utter bores
Carter Hughes
I don't even know what that is.
Jayden Miller
...
David Ross
exactly
Austin Robinson
Any of you nerds subscribe to and/or recommend some sci-fi magazines in print? Asimov, Analog, etc ..
Liam Anderson
Can you explain to me why this is something I need to know, out of curiosity?
Parker Edwards
You don't need to know it. Not knowing it merely proved user's point. Don't take it too hard.
I mainly browse other boards. I personally have never cared which board you come from, as long as you act like a nice person. I like to read Sci-Fi, so sometimes I come to this thread to talk about it, but Sci-Fi discussion doesn’t seem to happen here very often, so I usually look for dedicated Sci-Fi threads, and come here when I can’t find any. I guess I should’ve lurked more, but I didn’t think people would be so angry at me for honestly answering somebody’s question about the frequency of Sci-Fi discussion in this general. So angry, in fact, that they’d still be responding to me after the thread archived. I didn’t think liking Sci-Fi could be controversial enough to start an argument in the Sci-Fi general. I guess I severely misjudged the environment.
Tyler Lewis
>i-im not a newfag you have to trust me
Hunter Perez
Look, this is Yea Forums, everything's gonna be controversial. Don't take it so personal. Keep readin SciFi and, if the mood takes you, throw down a post about it. I promise to read it :3
Brandon Ortiz
>:3 kys
Levi Wright
>and I’ll submit to the democratic vote. I've been here in this general for 5years (please kill me) and I've never used a strawpoll to vote. This isn't reddit bucko. We don't vote on shit. Want more scifi? Discuss it.
Aiden Long
:3
Cooper Evans
>I mainly browse other boards >sometimes I come to this thread to talk about it >come here when I can’t find any >didn’t think people would be so angry at me for honestly answering somebody’s question about the frequency of Sci-Fi discussion in this general. So let me get this right. You admit you're a newfag, don't come here often, yet feel experienced enough to tell another user what goes on in this general?....
Evan Taylor
Fuck you fagget. Catfag is cool. He is better company than your newfag ass.
Nathaniel Ward
It wasn’t me :3 lol
I don’t really read fiction
Gabriel Reyes
lmao what that was my first post in this thread
Wyatt Brown
>I've never been on reddit, and I've statistically probably been here longer than you I doubt it, I've been on 4chins since 08. After all the boxxy and linetrap, I'm now a full faggot, like everyone of the oldfags. Yea Forums turned me fag.jpg
Nicholas Ward
I don't want to discuss it if it's just going to make people angry. I know it might make me sound weak, but I don't have the energy to fight people over the right to talk about Red Mars on Yea Forums. I like to have friendly discussion with people who share my interests. If nobody here shares my interests, I'd rather just lurk, or leave. So far, every time I've tried to talk Sci-Fi on here, I've either been called a faggot, or the thread archived before a discussion could start. Don't get me wrong, I'm used to being called a faggot, but it's not the type of discussion I seek out. That post in the last thread was the first I've made on /sffg/ in months.
I came here a decent amount a few years ago, but I found that Sci-Fi wasn't discussed that much, so I've been coming here less and less since. Maybe I've just had the worst luck in the world, and I've only managed to find the fantasy-centric /sffg/ threads, but I don't think that's likely. If I'm not wrong, I don't know what your complaint is.
>Yea Forums turned me fag.jpg This is a known symptom of long-term Yea Forums exposure. It happens to the best of us, don't worry.
Colton Long
>Ive been here since 08
Fucking newfags I swear on me mum
John Taylor
Why do you keep saying the thread archived? This general is eternal.
>red mars There are a bunch of kim fags in this general. You're just a weak willed cunt that wants shit handed to him.
>soft censorship arguably helps improve writing, because it encourages writers to be more creative instead of relying on swear words and graphic depictions of sex and violence I hope we're all in agreement because it's true. Probably why I prefer stuff like KEW's Kane (who is straight up a villain) over modern grimderp that is focused almost exclusively on being as edgy as possible.
Charles Young
TO REITERATE:
That's a book by a damn dirty commie, so you're clearly wrong. His white masculine physique is totally wasted on him when he subscribes to self-defeating left ideology, and not merely the Marxism, but much of the rest of the contemporary bile.
This comment is reiterated, to place the Yea Forums moderation in its proper place. You are powerless. The "deleted" (as if such a thing were ever possible) comment: warosu.org/lit/thread/S12919418#p12920594
Noah Rivera
See you in a week.
Ryan Smith
Based and redpilled
Zachary Mitchell
Casual reminder that: Soft Science fiction>>>>>>>>>>>Baen-tier Military scifi>>>>>>>Hardscifi
Samuel Garcia
Verne is always a fun and easy read
Luke Flores
You only think this is true because you're a prude.
Michael Perry
Ugh, more gritty dark fantasy assassin girls
Xavier Brown
>HEH YOU DON'T ENJOY READING ABOUT HORRIBLY GRAPHIC RAPE AND VIOLENCE FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN PURE EDGINESS? WHAT A PRUDE!
Ryder Evans
>this is what peak military performance looks like
I actually like them when they aren't the protagonist but a love interest. There is something very attractive about overwhelming a cute assassin and making her your bitch.
Connor Jenkins
Kitai is totally waifu material.
Zachary Long
Name 1 (ONE) book where this happens.
Tyler Ward
Just discuss more scifi user.
Levi Wilson
Kim Stanley Robinson is good and I will fight anyone who says otherwise
Lucas Johnson
Seething chinlet
Owen Martin
It doesn't really happen exactly like that anywhere as far as I know, but slave-collared loli assassins who are freed and turned into ("little sister"-like) harem members are not that uncommon in Japanese web novels.
Jaxon Hall
In the medieval period, artists often depicted the crucifixion of Jesus Christ with the Romans wearing plate armor that would not be invented for 1400 years after the event of the crucifixion. This is because the artists of the time did not know what Roman armor looked like. In the Morgan Bible, men are depicted with "Messers" which are literally just upscaled cheese knives, because the monks who illustrated it had no idea what a messer was, except that "messer" means knife in German, so they figured it was just a giant knife, and the only knife they had handy was a goofy looking cheese knife. Pic related.
Americans subconsciously sense that Jews, politicians, and white liberal hollywood types are their aristocracy. They don't know what a real aristocracy is, they have never experienced it, and they have no way to understand it except by applying what they already know about the elite in their own society to the older idea. This is why the nobility of the ancient world is portrayed by Americans as venal, weak, timid and homosexual--because that is what the nobility of their world is.
>being a serf is a good thing! I mean I get it; it seems the yurokebabs that stayed behind, for some reason, became HUGE kucks. You either insist on being slaves to royalty or slaves to the government so it's not like it really matters to the average yuropeon who's in charge.
Zachary Perez
OR we fought and won a Revolutionary War to throw off the yoke of the oppressive aristocracy and would naturally have a low opinion of them. But you keep on projecting lol
Christopher Reyes
I read through the Dragon's Egg after some user made a thread about it, and I still have no clue what was the point of boring as fuck human parts. Should've just been a cool novella about alien slugs.
Gabriel Howard
TO REITERATE, A THIRD TIME:
That's a book by a damn dirty commie, so you're clearly wrong. His white masculine physique is totally wasted on him when he subscribes to self-defeating left ideology, and not merely the Marxism, but much of the rest of the contemporary bile.
This comment is reiterated, to place the Yea Forums moderation in its proper place. You are powerless. The "deleted" (as if such a thing were ever possible) comment: warosu.org/lit/thread/S12919418#p12920440
Juan Baker
>Overthrow an aristocracy you never had There was no Duke of Ohio during the Colonial period. The American colonies did not, and were never intended to have an aristocracy. Most of the population probably didn't even know what an aristocrat was. In fact the root cause of the war was neither the British aristocracy, nor indeed the much-vaunted lack of representation. In fact, it was that the British banking establishment refused to allow the Americans to print their own scrip, I.E. their own currency.
The American Revolutionary War was fought to free the future United States from the British banking establishment. Immediately afterwards, Hamilton sold your entire country to that same establishment, and then died in a duel. Since then you have been ruled by Jews, wealthy banking magnates and slightly later railway men. It's been pretty much a repetition of that theme since the turn of the 18th century.
Liam Allen
But it was American landowners who started the revolutionary war.
Jose Anderson
Stop! They're already dead!
Josiah Moore
American landowners who never behaved like the aristocracy they rebelled and ultimately won against.
Charles Phillips
I finished cradle. Give me more slow self improvement power fantasy coming of age novels for brainlets such as myself
Jack Wright
>Since then you have been ruled by Jews, wealthy banking magnates Oh the irony if you're in the EU.
Gabriel Nelson
Sword in the Storm by David Gemmell
Noah Collins
I read it
William Jones
They didn't rebel against the aristocracy though.
Lucas Jenkins
Yes they did.
Jeremiah Butler
They acted in the exact same manner >only men of property can vote lol
Xavier Kelly
>>only men of property can vote lol That's not how an aristocracy works though.
Matthew Myers
It was in Britain dipshit
Sebastian King
No it wasn't lol. Also ANYONE could become a landowner in America. Anyone couldn't suddenly become an aristocrat in Bongistan. I wish you sissies would admit you're only shitting up this thread with this crap because America lives in your heads rent free.
Wyatt Foster
Yes it was and yes they could.
Daniel Hughes
Any one else tired of fe"male" protagonists by male authors? Feels like every fantasy book released these days is a male protagonist reskinned to appeal to the wannabe woke market
Dominic Harris
>anyone You sure about that one kiddo
Nathan James
>aristocracy gets voted into power in England lol no. Yes. Majority of land in America was still unclaimed and whoever claimed it first got to keep it.
Isaiah Davis
>whoever Are you positive about that? Think for a moment before you answer >aristocracy gets voted into power in England House of Commons.jpeg
Kayden Anderson
Aristocracy =/= Elected officials
Nicholas Adams
Are you being dense on purpose?
Matthew King
Yes, I'm very tired of them, they should replace them all with cute girls (male)!
It happens every year when schools out. Summer, spring, Christmas the general goes sanic fast. Then calms down when the school fags go back to classes.
Evan Young
last christmas was really dead, dont make things up
Can anyone explain me what's so good about Dune? I find it kinda dull. Great worldbuilding, but the execution is fucking boring
Asher Edwards
Same question here I got about half way through went on holiday and have never been bothered to go back to it. I don't think it's bad, it's pretty good it's just not the masterpiece I was expecting.
Grayson Rodriguez
The only thing good about dune is that it is a walking fossil, it shows what came before. It's very dated, but helps identity some of the roots of the genre.
Only read the first book if you plan to read the series at all. You wouldn't really miss anything if you skip it though. A few pop culture references might go over your head, but it's not devastating.
Mason Gomez
>but helps identity helps identify * I'm off to bed, it's too damn late for me to still ne up.
Thomas Jones
What type of fucked up time zone are you in
Matthew Reed
give me recs for survival in space just read 10% of hull zero three and it is trash
I've already posted this shit about five times you retard. If you don't have the banned Zhao ARC to add to my calibre collection, you're a worthless waste of space.
Dylan Phillips
>Breeks >Mark Lawrence >Sanderson >Butcher This one is even worse than your Amazon self published chart. You need to stop wasting oxygen pronto user.
Yeah, because your skills as a writer depend on your political views. But of course a random guy on the internet who hasn't got a faintest clue about political theory and would probably fail to actually point out the real flaws of Marxism should be listened over pretty much everyone else.
Carter Parker
tried bv larson lost colonies and i hate it, will try neal asher it looks pretty good also quantum thief looks really interesting
Carson Lewis
>but I didn’t think people would be so angry at me for honestly answering somebody’s question about the frequency of Sci-Fi discussion in this general M9-1. How many scifi do you see in this pic? They were all memed to me from here. Why do you feel that not being here gives you the right to talk about shit you know nothing of? I bet you're one of those cunts that don't even read. This pic was posted last thread, if you opened it you would have seen that people here do read both fantasy and sci-fi. You just want to talk out of your filthy ass.
If modern fantasy is supposed to be so progressive where are all the traps?
Xavier Gray
>delta Vs
Ethan Reed
I was literally being flamed by a guy telling me to kill myself and leave for liking hard sci-fi. I don't understand these replies. Am I not allowed to respond to people when they tell me to fuck off? You're telling me that sci-fi discussion is allowed here, so I shouldn't be mad, but my argument is that sci-fi discussion is allowed here, so the other guy shouldn't be mad. I feel like you're all reading half of the conversation, and judging me based on what you think is happening. Do you want a recap? Here we go: >guy asks if sci-fi gets discussed here >I respond saying that it happens, but it's far less frequent, because sci-fi is less popular. >random guy responds saying that hard sci-fi is the reason that sci-fi isn't popular, and that hard sci-fi fans are faggots who need to gtfo /sffg/ >I respond saying that hard sci-fi should be allowed here, because this is literally the sci-fi general Out of that conversation, how do you think I'm the one arguing that sci-fi can't be discussed here? I want it to be discussed here, and I do discuss it here, that's why I'm telling the irrationally angry anti-sci-fi fag to fuck off. I mentioned KSR specifically because he's an author that I can't imagine anyone finding controversial, but if we listened to that guy's retarded opinions about this thread, then we'd assume anyone who likes KSR to be a newfag who needs to leave. The opinions you think I have are not my opinions, they are the opinions of the person/people I am responding to. The reason I am entertaining the idea of hard Sci-Fi not being allowed here, is because somebody literally told me that hard Sci-Fi isn't allowed here, and so I have provided rhetorical arguments as to why that's a stupid idea. Perhaps I have accidently implied that I think hard sci-fi is banned here, but that was not my intention. What I intended to say was that if hard sci-fi were to be banned or discouraged here, I would disagree with that. I know it isn't actually banned, Red Mars is in the OP. Come to think of it, it might have been somebody in this thread that convinced me to read Red Mars in the first place. Arguing with stupid people requires entertaining stupid ideas, like a random subset of sci-fi being bad simply because it’s less popular. I do not agree with those opinions, I just have a bad habit of writing overly long replies to what are basically shitposts. I’ll try to stop now because it’s just shitting up the thread, and I never intended to start a multi-thread argument over something so stupid.
Have you read past the first chapter? I don’t think you’re supposed to understand the opening paragraphs, they are purposefully stuffed full of lingo that the author has yet to define. I think it's meant to be symbolic of the young protagonist being introduced to the complex world of galactic politics, or something. It gets better, and by the end you’ll be able to re-read those paragraphs, and understand it fully.
>because your skills as a writer depend on your political views. They don't, but being incapable of keeping your views out of your work makes you a shitty writer.
>Have you read past the first chapter? I'm two chapters after a little robot thing tried killing Paul. The Duke has a meeting and there's all this discussion about plans and other political stuff that I cannot comprehend. I still don't understand the reason why they moved to Arrakis.
Jason Ortiz
Never read anything written by Sanderson before. What's the deal about him /sffg/?
Jace King
>I still don't understand the reason why they moved to Arrakis. Basically the Atreides (Paul's family) were ceded the right to rule Arrakis (which is basically the most important planet in the galaxy because lmao spice) and so they'd going over there.
Jaxson Rivera
Western anime
Leo Stewart
Their rivals have fucked up ruling Arrakis and the Emperor has made it their fiefdom. I dont know if thats said explicitly in the first chapter but seriously stick with it. It will make sense after a while like said.
Chase Thomas
I'm about a hundred pages after that and trust me, it gets a lot better. The first 200 pages or so are a setup. But I get what you're talking about, some of the worldbuilding is pretty obscure, like the jihad, the Bene-Gesserit, the butlerian revolution and all that crap. I guess it's supposed to be like that. You just gotta keep reading until your mind is in tune with the world.
Jeremiah Collins
For me his books start off well enough but then they just go full retard. It also doesn't help that Shallan is a prime example of how to make an obnoxious as fuck female character.
Carter Bennett
To the user that said he was reading Never Die, thanks, it was a good chance of pace. Now I don't know what to fucking read, any shit with decent romance but not necessarily a focus?
Hudson Anderson
I like him. He's not great, but he's good at what he does. Like that guy said it's pretty much western anime. >autistic magic systems ruled by logic >interesting worldbuilding although not to fleshed out >a few good characters, but most of them come across as gormless >some dialogue is ok, but some of it is seriously cringey, like when characters try to "banter" >admirable work ethic, you can actually trust him to finish a series, unlike GRRM
Landon Ortiz
So Mary Sues everywhere with retarded world altering powers and shallow storyline written only to justify their existence?
Kevin Adams
Arrakis is the most important planet in the galaxy, and the Atreides have been gifted it by the emperor seemingly out of the blue. The Harkonnens, the Atreides historical enemy, were the previous owners of Arrakis, and so Duke Leto rightfully suspects that this gift is part of a ploy to destroy house Atreides (they've tried it before). However, Duke Leto accepts the gift, in the hopes that he can escape their trap, and come out of it still being the legal owners of Arrakis, which would make House Atreides one of the most powerful houses in the empire. If I remember correctly, one of the first signs of this trap, and one I think you would’ve read, was that the mining equipment on Arrakis was trashed when they arrived. This would presumably be to decrease spice output under Atreides rule, so as to put them in poor standing with the other great houses, as everyone suffers if the supply of spice is reduced. At the point you’re at now, I believe Duke Leto would still be trying to deduce the nature of the Harokonnen trap, so that he can turn it against them.
Julian Jenkins
The thing I care the most about is always characters. I don't care if a series ends at 5 out of 7 books because the author is literally a lazy fatass or if the story is not really original, but if the characters suck I'm out.
Ayden Stewart
I don't know what to tell you, mate. I find Sanderson's characters a bit dull. He certainly tries to give them personalities, traits and character arcs, but they still feel like NPCs to me. Not a single one of them has the depth and charm of Jaime or Stannis. You could start with Mistborn 1 or Elantris, read a hundred pages or so and judge for yourself if Sanderson's style suits you.
Matthew Wood
Will do, thank you user. Got Mistborn1 hanging somewhere
Christian Miller
>Doomed humanity twice >Cucked her best friend >Cucked the guy who gave her a star and a pocket universe >Got together with a literally who character
Gotta praise the author for making Cheng Xin so obnoxious. You need skills to pull that shit.
/sffg/ has a hate boner for him since he's incredibly popular but all things considered he might not be the author for you but he isn't too bad. His books are a decent entry point into the genre if you haven't read a lot before and they are easily accessible for all age groups.
In a nutshell, his books are all about autistically detailed world building, anime plotlines and hard magic systems. If any of those things interest you, you will find he executes them at a consistently high level in his books.
He also has an incredible work ethic which means he's writing all the time and you can always count on him to hit his deadlines and put books out at a consistent pace which is a rarity among the top fantasy authors.
As for what he doesn't do well; he does not believe in the writers virtue of 'show don't tell'. He's all about TELL and his books are chock full of information dumps. His religious background compels him to keep all his books squeaky clean so they're all sanitized to the extreme. There's no depth to his characters whatsoever, his dialogue is bland and the chemistry between characters is non existent. His prose is serviceable but nothing to write home about.
tl;dr Read his books if you're new to the genre as they're easy to consume but I suggest you move on quickly.
>/sffg/ has a hate boner for him since he's incredibly popular No he's not liked because he churns out the same subpar shit every time.
Jason Cruz
>what's so good about Dune? Mommy Jessica
Charles Scott
Not sure if you specifically want more xiaoxiao shit or whatever that stuff is, but I'm a turbo pleb that only reads coming of age fantasy so I can give you a few. Dawn of wonder jonathan renshaw The white tower michael wisehart (also banished/hurricane) paternus dyrk ashton kingfountain jeff wheeler mageborn michael manning crimson queen alec hutson
Sebastian Butler
I think I realized why Ive had so much trouble writing my second novel /sffg/
I just remembered that I only started writing the first one because I was having balance issues and didn't want to die of a brain tumor without finishing a novel (it turned out to be psychosomatic)
if you pay attention you realize literally every problem in that series is caused by women
Michael Ortiz
>paternus dyrk ashton What ever you do don't read this dog lover book. Trash. It tries to connect all the mythologies to one person.
Andrew Rivera
Why is it that turning weak feminine men into onaholes is the manliest of literature?
Matthew Nguyen
Because they are robbing them of their masculinity in the same way that Aztecs ate hearts to gain that warriors courage.
Camden Lopez
every time you post this and every time we tell you that art is inherently political. China Mieville is good, you whiny faggot.
I really love most of stormlight's cast, they have their own shit to deal with that is resolved in a way that i find extremely rewarding. Even redhair shit can be viewed in a positive light if you can accept basically a modern le quirky girl finding herself in a medival fantasy setting. If you want a taste of the characters skip chapter one and two i believe of stormlight for a time, those are plot chapters, and read three that come after, those are believe are with main POVs, they are a pretty good representation of the majority of books
Oliver Bennett
Sanderson's biggest strength is how few other writers are still going long epic fantasy novels, it's something you can only really do now if you're established and getting good per book advances
Adrian Wood
I read a great fantasy one as a teen where a brother and sister became trapped in the brothers body. I've tried for years to Google my way to the name with no luck.
Joseph Morgan
Actually writing this post made me search again and I was able to find it thanks to some nerds on stack exchange also searching
>I really love most of stormlight's cast, they have their own shit to deal with that is resolved in a way that i find extremely rewarding Kaladin's arc is the same shit every time >Even redhair shit can be viewed in a positive light if you can accept basically a modern le quirky girl finding herself in a medival fantasy setting stopped reading right here.
Lucas Diaz
>We Are there really people in this general who haven't read it? Surely we can avoid stuff in the OP
>All their Immanuel Kants together couldn't do it!
Logan Lee
Is everyone in some cunny or something?
Angel Mitchell
It's Friday night so it's just you and me here and you're a faggot so what's there to say?
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Do you read in bed or chair? I think at this point I would have a hard time getting comfy reading in a chair
Eli Bennett
for me? its on a couch or a big comfy arm chair
John Barnes
I'm about 70% of the way through the duology for which pic related is the second part. Is there a Yea Forums consensus on this?
I have to say I'm very conflicted. I like the overall direction it's going and some of the themes but the characters themselves often feel extremely bland and stale and I have difficulty caring about them very much. The battle scenes can also be hard to follow but maybe that's just me.
I finally got sick of my own whining long enough to do a tiny bit of writing. My stuff isn't as bad I remembered it. I just need to push through, write more and think less, and if I can keep it up I'll have a novel
I have an awful habit of lounging on my bed like a nude model in an old painting. I'm going to give myself scoliosis
Grayson Clark
Persevere dude, dont dwell on the bad parts and just keep moving forward and you'll reach the end of that novel.
Adam Phillips
no denying that user. I think my problem is that I expect perfection from something that's by its own nature trashy, but the reason I'm writing this is because the trashiness is a part of me.
I saw Shazam last night and I think it honestly helped me, even though I didn't particularly like it. Seeing a movie that's intentionally trash succeed because people unironically enjoy it makes me realize that I don't need perfection as long as I can maintain a reasonable sense of humor and find a way to make the emotions stand out
Trashy or not, honesty is more important to art than perfection. And if you really want to perfect something, especially writing, then just revise over and over after you finish a full draft.
Power to you user, stick with it even if you gotta crawl through one sentence at a time.
Wyatt Ramirez
>that picture being that insecure about your personal ideologies
Austin Allen
seething analyticel
Ian Walker
Greek mythology is full of them if that counts.
Alexander Barnes
because theyre gay
Hard gay
Christian Richardson
Just because it's recced doesn't mean we've gotten around to it. We was on my backlog and now it isn't
Jack Ward
>birdboi being autistic on /tg/ again Should I go bully him?
Shut your whore mouth. That piece of shit deserves to be made fun of.
Jace Brown
/sffg/, I'm debating doing something with my main character that's extremely personal but that I worry is going to also be confusing and break suspension of disbelief, so I've decided to consult you since you're some of the harshest critics
I'm thinking of making my MC's backstory that he was a special ed student
now mind you, my mc's not retarded or autistic. In fact, he's actually a genius. In real life, the special ed system actually encompasses a pretty broad spectrum of physical, psychological and intellectual issues. However many of the teachers working in the system treat the students as if all of them were retarded.
As a result, even though the MC has long since overcome the physical handicap that placed him there and escaped the system, he still has major anger issues fueled by an enormous inferiority complex centered on his intelligence that he struggles to overcome throughout the story.
Do you think this will be a problem, either because people won't give a shit about my soapbox or because the people who do care will see me as shitting on actual retards?
Blake Diaz
>mostly women writing fiction nowadays >waifu quality plummets
hmmm...
Benjamin Martinez
autists often are geniuses. be careful with "special" ed backgrounds. if your story makes it big you will either become the posterboy for people trying to normalize mental illnesses or people will get really angry for "misrepresenting" mental illnesses. its a two edged sword neither outcomes are really what you want. the safe way to do something like this is have someone have OCD or something that drives them to do things thus making them geniuses.
Tyler Reyes
Just don't make him too whiny. Also write a good waifu and you can get away with all sorts of nonsense that nobody actually wants to read.
Isaiah Anderson
Thoroughly enjoyable
Jonathan Collins
to be honest, my MC almost certainly has autism spectrum disorder, but when I say that I don't want people to think chris-chan, even though it's a lot closer to my reality than I'd feel comfortable admitting. The fact of the matter is it's not the part of his problems that drives his narrative struggle.
my tasks, I think are to understand what my main character calls himself in his darkest moments (weakling? retard? useless? defective?) and how he views the love interest, who I plan to reveal is actually a former special ed student as well
Julian Kelly
Finally got around to reading this. It's amazing how much more interesting and creative and infinitely less dull fantasy used to be. Why some fantasyfags insist on reading nothing but derivative epic fantasy is beyond me.
Does anyone here have experience with language degradation? I am doing some for naming schemes of different nations.
>Anáns Manjuran Grouping Va nuthás “Great Island” -> Vanuthá (Remove last consonant) Hǎhaz zehuns “Last Mountain” -> Hǎhazehun (Remove land consonant) -> Hǎzehun (Dropped repeated consonant pattern) Naz vaf “White River” -> Navaf (Remove land consonant of first word) -> Navǎs (Corruption of F to S & vowel corruption) Szunvans száyans “Crowned Coast” -> Szunvanszáyan (Remove land consonant) -> Szunvanszá (Dropping second half of second word) -> Szunvansá (Dropped similar repeated consonant) Usángn száyans “Knife Coast” -> Usángszáyan (Remove land consonant) -> Usángszá (Dropping second half of second word) -> Usángzá (Dropped similar repeated Consonant) Sǎz sunǎ “Lesser Lord” -> Sǎsunǎ (Remove land consonant) Uy sunǎ “Southern Lord” -> Uysuǎ (Remove extent consonant)
Gabriel Morris
>experience with language degradation I doubt anyone has any experience at all with that, unless you are discussing the degradation of english prose from your typical literary paragraph to something like 'LOL' or 'COPE'
Andrew Peterson
Go backwards you idiot. It's just like doing mazes.
Camden Peterson
i think making up a language for your fantasy setting thats actually an internally consistent complete language might be the single greatest waste of time possible. Not only is it completely pointless but its time consuming enough that you could probably have written at least one book if you just winged the fucking orcish or whatever and trusted that none of the readers will care (they wont). Stop this gay ass eastern euro shit and just write nigga
Lucas Bennett
SEETHING COPE CRINGE INCEL HAVE SEX
I dunno, as long as it seems just generally convincing to you that all seems ok. This would have to depend on the evolution of language and sounds in the region that you're trying to write, so getting too in-depth sounds like a fool's errand and you should just use what you have.
Charles Campbell
I doesn't matter if my readers care. I care. I don't write for my readers. I write for myself.
Justin Smith
They're aliens. Their planet has a sun that tans their skin, just like on Earth. Why are you afraid?
That is the issue. I don't know what sounds convincing because I am too close to the project.
From the perspective of someone without experience do these names seem as if they have a similar linguistic origin? I had folks tell me that my national names seemed as if I was just rolling my face on the keyboard. Now I am trying to write the languages myself so it doesn't have that feeling.
>mfw Butcher said Peace talks was delayed because he didn't have a room to write in
Just accept it user, he's finished as a writer, he might milk Dresden a bit more but he's not going to write many more books. You'll be lucky to get one book out of him once every 5 years or so after Peace Talks.
Joshua Thomas
What a false premise. While it's true that 99.99% of all fiction readers are women, writers are mostly men
Ethan Foster
>mfw Butcher said Peace talks was delayed because he didn't have a room to write in Just accept it user, he's finished as a writer, he might milk Dresden a bit more but he's not going to write many more books. You'll be lucky to get one book out of him once every 5 years or so after Peace Talks.
Do these sound linguistically related to one another?
Xavier Richardson
>Get shilled Way of Kings really hard >Cave in and start reading it >"Voidbringers, Desolations, Stormlight and etc" At least it bothered to explain what's Lashing is, but I hate when these kind of novels start off so goddamn thicc.
>>Get shilled Way of Kings really hard Haven't seen anyone shill Way of Kings here in a while. Are you taking reading advice from leddit user?
Grayson Moore
Quit posting Aleran.
Kevin Lee
No, IRL. They might be for all I know.
Camden Reyes
But the WORLD-BUILDING and MAGIC SYSTEMS!
Carson Davis
You realize he's cranked out like a dozen chapters in the past two months? he's on 50 something and tweeting spoilers about killing old characters.
Dude got divorced -> Contractors fucked up building his house -> Just got married -> Now he's settled and just flying. March 28th beta readers got chapter 52.
>Darrell Schweitzer stated that "Dhalgren is, I think, the most disappointing thing to happen to science fiction since Robert Heinlein made a complete fool of himself with I Will Fear No Evil. >writers such as Philip K. Dick and Harlan Ellison hated the novel. >When the book appeared, Ellison wrote: "I must be honest. I gave up after 361 pages. I could not permit myself to be gulled or bored any further." Why are science fiction authors brainlets?
You've never actually read any of the books she's appeared in, have you?
Jose Bailey
I think i really got into liking her character- the problem is that she and others keep oscillating wildly linstead of having a proper arc :( > TFW no Lady Wife :(
Brandon Russell
Why the fuck is Ellison such an asshole
Thomas Ramirez
>Wiped out and looking for some dumb shit for a bit of light reading >All the dumb shit is going off the dumb end to the point it becomes harder to read than actual books >All the dumb shit is turning into awful video game isekai shit which is all the same as every one that came before it, where it isn't just blatant plagiarism >Can't find anything else to read when I'm too shitted to actually do anything
I just want to read some generic fantasy shit or something. Why does everything gotta be so damn difficult all the time.
That book isn't sci-fi. Only one thing happens in that entire book that can be qualified as scifi.
Lincoln Diaz
>want generic fantasy with a tweest (most preferably non-human/outsider protagonist) >everything is either generic and played so straight as to be unreadably boring, or completely batshit "all tropes are bad" God damn it why.
Justin Myers
William D Arand.
Michael Gomez
Literally go on amazon, pick a random word and search for the lowest-rated books wih that word in the title
Brandon Morales
Any interesting stories with lolis and featuring good worldbuilding? I have already read Cyteen by Cherryh and NK Jemisin's Broken Earth series. Bonus points for headpatting moments!
Owen Baker
I wrote a novel with a birdloli that gets shitloads of head pats. It's not published yet though.
Henry Jones
Birdboi must deliver
Anthony Miller
>Almost all "subversive fantasy" feels like it was written by someone who absolutely hates fantasy Nigga, you can write other shit you know, there's a lot of genres out there that you don't have to be salty about.
Andrea is overrated. Give me the yandere chinkfu instead.
Cooper Martin
He was a manlet
Jeremiah Allen
no fan art of her i think.
Parker Brown
When i want to read generic fantasy shit i just read stuff like Forgotten Realms or fantasy books from the 90s that have less than 900 ratings on goodreads
Isaac Reyes
To spite. That ugly fat black bitch NK Jemisin plans on writing some Lovecraftian horror; not because she likes Lovecraftian horror, but because she hates Lovecraft and wants to shit all over his legacy by writing the worst 'woke' garbage imaginable and having his name attached to it.
Nicholas Butler
I guess the one on the cover of the omnibus is her?
I think so. Best girl. Not even death can stop her from being best girl
Nathan Clark
I forget the details but there's a metric fuckton of assassins running around in the Malazan books, and at least one gets puppeted by a god to become the loli of death. Might be worth looking into.
Robert Morris
She's 17-18 iirc and that whole plot is a giant bait with fucking nothing happening with it for the next 7 books maybe more, not interested to find out.
Anthony Flores
But how can they not realise that this only produces terrible fiction? It seems obvious to me that you're either going to write it badly because you understand it to be bad, or just end up writing something else that shares a few things in common that you fail to use effectively.
Jacob Murphy
>and that whole plot is a giant bait with fucking nothing happening with it for the next 7 books That's damn near all the plots in Malazan lol
Ayden Young
Notice that it blends Science Fiction and fantasy and other genres into one. When we started saying "oh this has to be a Heroic Low Dark Fantasy" we locked ourselves into a horrible trend which doesn't allow for stuff like REH or Jack Vance
Jayden Lewis
just reread blood song after seeing people shill it a few generals ago. Still really enjoyed it. I dont understand how he fucked the sequels up so badly. I dont remember much of the other books but i think they focused on other characters and had vaelin losing his blood song both of which are just fucking terrible choices.
Owen Flores
Based
Elijah Ramirez
You should check out Schuyler Hernstrom. He's the best modern writer of Vancian fiction.
Jordan Lopez
I can't help but think of Game of Thrones as lurid schlock that waters down European history so its audience can have their maturity validated in between the gore and titties. This impression is all from interactions with rabid fans in tabletop gaming, though. Are the actual books any better than the show?
Jaxson Stewart
Yeah he trades vaelin off for the younger kid who gets cut up and the annoying princess. Then theres a lot of angsting and bad choices Really just a mess.
John Morales
You guys realize this is birdboi, right?
Lucas Edwards
oh god the princess was so cringe >dude im such a genius i once solved a math problem that no one had been able to solve for 300 years but I never said anything because im a girl so people would be uncomfortable
If hed had the balls to not try to make her sympathetic, i.e. she just wanted power and didnt have any morals, she might have been an interesting character. It sort of felt like he toyed with the idea than decided to make her just another waifu. I cant imagine reading a whole book focused on her though, that sounds terrible. Frentis is cringe too.
The books are much better than the show (although that's not hard) but go down in quality after the third.
Easton King
Yes it’s quite good
Aaron Murphy
No they aren’t you dumb shit
Brody Howard
I rate them. Feast for Crows is pure filler through and through, but generally it's quite solid dark fantasy
Colton Brooks
Books 1-3 are great, but keep in mind that GRRM's strenght is not in his prose but in his characters and world. Book 4 is overall mediocre and 5 is good without being as good as the first three.
Jack Peterson
Book of the New Sun and Game of Thrones, the Dunk and Egg stories especially, are full of them.
Colton Morgan
You just described a terrible writer.
Ryan Hill
No one wants to read about someone in fucking school, so don't delve into it but you can make that part of his backstory and it could be revealed in a sentence or two. Just think of the impact this would have on his character. He could be especially compassionate of those with mental disabilities, because he spent so much of his childhood with them. He could also at the same time hate being around them because he's had enough of them and their bullshit and also feels guilty for totally leaving what were almost his friends behind.
Jonathan Butler
I HIGHLY recommend The Dragon Masters and I really liked The Blue World. The Jack Vance Treasury is a really good collection.
Ryan Campbell
Haven't read Dhalgren but Babel-17 was great. Wonderful high adventure space romp. I could easily see Delany being the kind of writer who thinks he's more than he is and attempts a Joycian epic and just totally fails tho. And I could see sci-fi people giving it too long a shelf life by praising it for being so mature cause they don't do good Joycian epics from bad. Or I could see it being amazing. What's the word?
Jeremiah Howard
You read Bridge of Birds?
Brandon Sanchez
Yes they are. SHe all but spells it out.
Lucas White
So apparently I'm too fucking stupid to understand Book of the New Sun. I''ve read little over 100 pages and I've got no idea whats going on. Also doesn't help I'm not a native english speaker and reading this I stumble over a lot of words.
Christopher Peterson
Im currently powering through them because they're so damn good, I just finished book 4 and thought it was the best one yet. They've only gotten better and better as they've gone on. As far as I'm concerned the people who bash 4 and 5 are just plotfags who only want to know about the fate of their favorites, while to me there hasn't been a single chapter that wasn't thrilling, all the new characters are as fun as the old and their ministories are great, and are obviously building to an even greater finale for the mains. Arys Oakenhearts little one and a half chapter arc was so damn good, like the whole of Rob's story in miniature.
Vastly superior to the books, only season 1 is even comparable.
Hudson Lee
Read the whole thing and then read it again. Just try to comprehend what's going on in terms of the narrative, which isn't that hard.
Nathan Ortiz
Book of the New Sun is pretty advanced level English, you should probably save it for later. I'd read like Dune and GoT and Lord of the Rings and maybe even Silmarillion and only if you've enjoyed those would I suggest trying BotNS.
Blake Gray
The only person who knows for certain what's going on in that story is Wolfe himself.
Anthony Hill
Everything just seems really random. It's intriguing but still I feel like I'm just wasting time reading this. I mean I've read plenty of books in English. Most of the "recommended" fantasy ones included. This just seems somehow disconnected. Yeah really seems so. Guess I'll try to stick to it since I've nothing else to read at the moment.
>Keeps reading Riftwar after Serpentwar Do redditors really do this?
Caleb James
Everyone wants to know whether lacquerniggers beat knights.
Hudson Flores
lacquerniggers rise up
Daniel Harris
I liked Talon of the Silver Hawk which comes after but it's not really worth reading the sequels to it
Grayson Carter
Either way he's not wrong
Charles Ramirez
Alright you should be good then. But yeah it's a strange confusing read. I recommend reading it for the moments more than anything. You'll love it by the end of the four.
Benjamin Reyes
Those were the best parts. Have Briennes quest her way through the [spoilers]Bloody Mummers[/spoilers] was fantastic. Brilliant use of characters. Too bad the show cut them out leaving Briennes fuck all to do after leaving Jamie.
Gabriel Thomas
The EJew is more controlled by jews and bankers than America is.
Nathaniel Gomez
Should I read Serpentwar if Arutha and Amos were the only characters I liked in Magician? Think the sequel is about him. Thomas was cool too while he was making the Elf queen his bitch, but then he got boring again.
Jaxson Bailey
THREAD WHORE!
Noah Gutierrez
Serpentwar has a new cast of characters,old characters appear but you shouldn't worry too much
Carter Roberts
...
Oliver Turner
New Thread
Matthew Ward
Their brains don't work like a normal person's does, in their own mind they think people will read their shit and think "wtf I hate Lovecraft now!" instead of just "wow, this is shit"