Is this the single greatest self-own in literary history?

you type like you live on an island infested with private twitter account users

There exist few things more tedious than a discussion of general ideas inflicted by author or reader upon a work of fiction. The purpose of this foreword is not to show that "Bend Sinister" belongs or does not belong to "serious literature" (which is a euphemism for the hollow profundity and the ever-welcome commonplace). I have never been interested in what is called the literature of social comment (in journalistic and commercial parlance: "great books"). I am not "sincere," I am not "provocative," I am not "satirical." I am neither a didacticist nor an allegorizer. Politics and economics, atomic bombs, primitive and abstract art forms, the entire Orient, symptoms of "thaw" in Soviet Russia, the Future of Mankind, and so on, leave me supremely indifferent. As in the case of my "Invitation to a Beheading" - with which this book has obvious affinities - automatic comparisons between "Bend Sinister" and Kafka's creations or Orwell's cliches would go merely to prove that the automaton could not have read either the great German writer or the mediocre English one.

Listened to this guy speak for 10 minutes on Justin Murphy's livestream.
I went from being 90% convinced to 100% convinced he has absolutely nothing to say worth listening to.

The difference between Logo and Nabokov of course being that Nabokov could make insincerity and a guy eating an Eggs Bendict sound good, while Logo can't.

Thank you for doing this.

Literally who?

Same.

This whole incident has had me reevaluate my use of social media. I don't think there's anything of worth on social media and I don't think social media is a place for creative artists. There aren't any great writers tweeting out there. It's a huge waste of time.

What I find most interesting about this is that if he goes down in self-own, he brings down all of frogtwitter with him. Because BAP and DP promote him also as one of them. (The "trilogy"). They have to go down with the ship. They can't just say "oh he was a cool guy on twitter we thought we'd boost his book too"; they treated him as a comrade, an equal, as one of them. If he's full of it then so are they

Does anyone have links to these interviews?

Who the fuck is this guy?

guys what do you think about the twittersphere of Yea Forums nerds co-opting catholicism as their brand?

I'm going to steal your speed line analogy, best way I have ever heard of describing bad writing

You're not talking about Catholic Twitter, are you? Because those guys are deadly serious about the Faith. I think they'd actually burn heretics at the stake if they had the opportunity and the power to do so.

anyone with discernment could tell Logo was a pseud from miles off. a few RTs onto my feed and I knew I wasn't interested.

I think I've seen that paragraph, and it was fucking awful, but can someone post it just so I can be sure it was from this?

>sort of like drawing speed lines on a stick figure to signify movement
kek

those guys are all pathetic converts trying way too hard to signal their fealty to rome. chatting with a deacon about architecture and the weather did more to warm me towards the catholic church than any keyboard inquisitor's screed. there's something pathetic about a vocal convert, as if they're trying to justify their conversion to themselves rather than convince anyone else of the truth and beauty of the faith.

>there's something pathetic about a vocal convert, as if they're trying to justify their conversion to themselves rather than convince anyone else of the truth and beauty of the faith.

I personally admire the zeal of converts. I'd rather have them than the average cradle Catholic who doesn't bother to observe any Church teaching and when you press them mumbles something about "primacy of conscience." This is a religion, not an ethnicity, there are rules to follow.

literally whom'st

a real life Miles Faber type

I'm actually surprised by the number of anime avatars in Catholic Twitter

based critic, twitterfag authors btfo!

I used to be into Catholic twitter but it was so full of outright tankies for some reason, it was bizarre because all of the big names would constantly flaunt how well-read they were re. theology, but would espouse blatant heresy and sin at every opportunity.
Really cancerous community, especially compared to the Orthos who got along fine despite a few larpers.

They're not Catholics.

leftcaths get the rope

Literally fucking who?

neophytes gonna neophyte

You can read the first few pages by clicking on the front cover of the book and scrolling down:

amazon.com/Selfie-Suicide-Cairey-Turnbulls-Skiddoo/dp/1797819178

The best way to describe the writing is "self-indulgent". It's the kind of thing that you write when you're young and have no critical filters, so you just write what you think (directly transferring your stream of consciousness onto the page) and honestly believe that it's absolutely brilliant.

The greatest artists of today have no social media presence, are reculsive and want nothing to do with this shit society. They create for themselves

Like owen cyclops the staunch holy man who writes non stop about abusing drugs and having relations out of wedlock

>Yea Forums shits on the contemporary literary establishment at every turn and is barely able to discuss modern authors and novels without fighting about wahmen and niggers for 200 posts
>guy puts out his own book
>"ha ha this dude didn't live up to the standards of the publishing houses we fucking hate, what a loser"
never change Yea Forums

> it was bizarre because all of the big names would constantly flaunt how well-read they were re. theology, but would espouse blatant heresy and sin at every opportunity.
It's a trainwreck. "tradical" is not trad at all. He's a radical with a false sheen of trad and little charity. "among the ruins" hadn't even attended a Latin Mass until this past year! "radical catholic" is well named lol. These people are narcissists spouting out all kinds of heresy and have no clue about the dire situation the Church is in. The greatest "sin" to them is recognizing sede vacante, meanwhile they accept brand new invalid sacraments and all the worst heresy. Seeing how they grow on social media like a fungus, I conclude that social media is not a place to homestead or even visit.

T. Bogopoopadelous

I agree. All the writers I like either have zero twitter or made like 3 tweets and abandoned it. Same with musicians. I don't think social media is compatible with making art. Getting the world out, that's another problem

To be fair he’s not advertising himself as one of the holier than thou types, he’s said that he’s no longer living that lifestyle and is just trying to tell his interesting stories.
I feel like I’ve got to defend him because he’s one of the only ones that don’t come off as full of shit.

It's the disgust that keeps us from the bad works, only problem is the disgust turns on us when it isn't aimed at others.

>tfw my favorite band's lead singer (male)'s Twitter is full of feminist, liberal, and atheist preaching
I still like them though but sometimes... Sometimes...
Also, my favorite pornstar is also a rapist which really lowered my opinion of porn in general.

I don't know who the fucking fuck you're all so worked up about but can someone please just post the damn paragraph already? Amazon's giving me nothing

He use to many big word
Me feel lik little man with small mind when i read his book

These twitter writers remind me of pretentious bizzaro writers.

you're trying too hard bruh, try wriggling off logo's cock a little

i mean you're right that the book is bad but you can't knock someone for being ambitious, ambition is good, much better than complacency. some of his tweets are good, maybe if he reads moar and keeps trying he will produce something readable in 3 or 5 years. whenever i see some nobody like you come after a minor intellectual e-celeb as hard as you are in this thread, it feels like spiderman pointing at spiderman

Is that what William Gaddis meant when he said the Recognitions was "a young man's book" ?

>
>>tfw my favorite band's lead singer (male)'s Twitter is full of feminist, liberal, and atheist preaching
>I still like them though but sometimes...
that usually ruins it.
note it's usually rockstars. tells you something about the art of "rock" ..... after too many of these (i think 99.9999% of all "rock" people are cookie cutter libtards), i just abandoned rock. my life is better for it. there is a world of great, complex music out there that the 60s counterculture helped obscure.

>Also, my favorite pornstar is also a rapist which really lowered my opinion of porn in general.
friend you should not have favorite pornstars

>He use to many big word
>Me feel lik little man with small mind when i read his book
that's not what we're saying, logo

>These twitter writers remind me of pretentious bizzaro writers.
yes! dude you nailed it. online fetisch cliques who write for themselves and are totally unknown outside the group.
look at some of these books on amazon (i will not post titles so to attack them personally), dozens of 5 star reviews from the in group. because no one knows them or reads them but the in group. i think bronze age pervert is the only exception. he has some pull outside it. not the others. bizarro is the same way. most of those books should be burned, but on amazon they all have like a dozen or two five star reviews from their bizarro friends. in better days, communities would rise up and stomp that stuff out, ban it outright. then those nerds would go back to playing with themselves in their bedrooms.

no

>staunch holy man who writes non stop about having abused drugs, but now admits how his commitment to not do so anymore still makes him feel awkward at social gatherings, and having a long-term relationship with his gnome-energy gf
fixed that for you

let them have their fun, they're not hurting anyone

>why do so many people want to strike me in the face?

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Please do not bring gaddis up in this thread

i just wanna know what he meant by that

lmao you're fucking insane. go outside.

>sort of like drawing speed lines on a stick figure
Holy fucking shit my sides

>a real live Sede on Yea Forums

Begone into the darkness, servant of Satan. Francis is validly the pope, by the way.

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This is not a contradiction.There are a number of routes today which make one a successful writer, but to be politically subversive I believe there are two: one either writes a book of outlandish brilliance and disregards the mores of the literary culture of today to publish independently (hoping the brilliance sticks outside the confines of a institution built not for literary merit, but the acquisition of wealth), or one writes something which is quietly subversive, filled with intellectual trickery and a hidden message which can be slipped past agents, editors, and every other participant in the publishing house process. The former mode is bombastic and impressive, the second is truly genius, and would reflect true merit. What's humorous here is that Logo attempted the first, and failed in it, and I'd argue this is largely because he did not get enough critical edits. Logo needs more true friends, or he needs to back off from the pretentious performance, because this book is a failure, and reflects bad methodology and self-appraisal.

He didn't live up to the standards of the publishing houses, but he also didn't live up to our meager standards. This should say something.

My best friend is a intellectual that wrotes romance novels with coded messages
He is quite the genius

the manner of the coding would be relevant to this concept of genius as well -- if it's just like first letter code, morse, or some Cesarean cipher shit it's not going to pack much punch. Name of author?

>let them have their fun, they're not hurting anyone

but they are. bizarro is poison, spiritually and mentally. these are like mentally ill people who need help, but in clown world they are allowed to be self-published "authors"

>lmao you're fucking insane. go outside.
actually he was right on the money.
this self own ends frogtwitter for exactly why he said.
they plugged him as one of their own. the whole thing is exposed

Logo believes we have been in clown world for hundreds of years. I have more respect for bizzaro writers than these guys at least they had shitty publishing houses to filter out the absolute complete garbage that also published respectable stories too and they weren't trying as hard as these guys

The pope? Lol. Francis isn't a bishop. He's actually not even a priest. Do you know that? You know that he has no valid Orders, he was merely "installed" as a "presbyter" in a new rite invented by Christ-hating usurpers, and has no authority whatsoever? He's not even a lector, not even a porter -- the man has no authority to open the door of a church. He's an apostate who needs to be arrested and put on trial and punished for his crimes.
Someone who knows what he's talking about, and who takes the Faith seriously, is not a "servant of Satan." Only a millennial with absolute no clue about what "Trad Cath" was like in the 1970s let alone the 1170s would think like that. Wake up, be a man, and join the fight. We have to restore the Church.

fuck off gatekeeping scum

>lmao you're fucking insane.
lmao hits close to home don't it?

Reeeeeee we gud writers

Gatekeeping is a good thing you braindead redditor

Gatekeeping is how people like you are prevented from spreading your cognitive poison

He stinks like poo poo pee pee

>This is not a contradiction.There are a number of routes today which make one a successful writer, but to be politically subversive I believe there are two: one either writes a book of outlandish brilliance and disregards the mores of the literary culture of today to publish independently (hoping the brilliance sticks outside the confines of a institution built not for literary merit, but the acquisition of wealth), or one writes something which is quietly subversive, filled with intellectual trickery and a hidden message which can be slipped past agents, editors, and every other participant in the publishing house process. The former mode is bombastic and impressive, the second is truly genius, and would reflect true merit. What's humorous here is that Logo attempted the first, and failed in it, and I'd argue this is largely because he did not get enough critical edits. Logo needs more true friends, or he needs to back off from the pretentious performance, because this book is a failure, and reflects bad methodology and self-appraisal.
>He didn't live up to the standards of the publishing houses, but he also didn't live up to our meager standards. This should say something.
Good post, user.
The former is easier, in some respects, but you need a large audience and support network, not just twitter followers. I don't even know if we can come up with anyone who has done it this way. How many self published books that are or attempt to be captial-L Literature are there, anyway? Nearly all sp books are genre trash or the nonfiction equivalent (books on "game" or "mindset"). The number of lit books self-published are minuscule, and their influence is minuscule, too. The second is hard but possible. I've done both.
Logo is interesting to me because in a way he reminds me of myself when I was his age. I'm a lot older than him. And I have the same sense about true friends that you do. But he doesn't seem approachable, at least not through the twitter show. His takes on the lit topics I know well were about the only decent thing going on twitter, but watching them wasn't enough to keep me sticking around.

Absolute brainlet post. Gatekeeping is necessary or every autist will have free reign to shit up the world

>His takes on the lit topics I know well were about the only decent thing going on twitter
i feel really bad for you if thats the best content you could find on twitter. i ultimately deleted my account too, but thats beside the point.

>Logo believes we have been in clown world for hundreds of years.
I completely disagree with him. Civilization is a buttress against clown world. Well yes there have been crossdressers for hund-- thousands of years, but no clown world. Clown world is now. Clown world is an erosion of civilization. Zoomers can't even imagine a world where abortion is completely outlawed, yet that was the norm almost everywhere on earth not very
long ago. Civilization isn't antifragile. It isn't even robust. And with a few wrong moves, clown world comes in. Regularization of sodomy and all the other fun stuff we are living through, and have been for 50 years (accelerating), that's clown world.

>fuck off gatekeeping scum
You supreme *dumbass*. Do you own a house, or still live with your parents? Civilization needs gates and all that goes with it, like *walls*, which were quite popular with a large chunk of the citizenry a few years ago. Remember?
In superior cultures, poison is not allowed to be given out to people. And sick people are given treatment and help.

yes, the writing is too much of everything he loves and the premise is shit (i'm gonna Write About Art!!) but it's typical overzealous smart-alecky young man stuff, not quite as clever as he likes to believe, but ultimately a stage that all aspiring writers need to work through. especially if they're operating on the level this guy thinks he is. main difference being that back in the day that sort of shit went in a drawer, or a closet shoebox, or right in the incinerator. not to amazon's print-on-demand service

with this out of his system, i think he could pen something good if he reeled himself in, mercilessly chiseled off the turgid ornaments and picked a less eye roll-inducing setting/subject. i can tell by his prose that this guy probably _hates_ orwell, hemingway, carver etc, the "clear and perspicuous" school of english writing. but one can pick up a few decent tricks from them as well. it's all about balance. worshipping only the likes of nabokov, joyce and pynchon is a guaranteed ticket straight up your own ass

imagine how much better this board would be if noone replied to the absolutely lowest level of ragebait and people actually had to put in some effort to get reactions

>Let me prophecy

Today the standards for self-publishing do seem rather low, but there were a few giants who did initially go this way. Proust pushed In search of lost time with a vanity publisher, and Blake as well self-published. Disparate examples, but they are historically relevant figures.
Problem with this is, if his identity and established life work thusfar is his twitter feed, he's going to have to take a real long hard look at what his identity is actually built on, and realize that the self-own is deeper than just a bitter instant of poor execution. This reflects badly on his general project; as said, logo wrapped his identity up in an existence larger than himself, and which yet did him no favors intellectually or culturally.

>i feel really bad for you if thats the best content you could find on twitter.
No need to feel bad -- I own 5,000 books, so I'm not hurting for great content.
I'm kind of a stranger to twitter. I saw it years ago, avoided it, came back around the election. The culture war was fun to lol at for a while, I admit it, but in retrospect that was wasted bad energy. Then I saw Logo, who was talking about McLuhan in a way I hadn't heard anyone talk. Most people don't know who he is, and I've got a copy of Through the Vanishing Point on my nightstand. I've gotten to know McLuhan's grandson a little bit. So the guy's random blurts on MM were interesting to me. But I eventually left. So who or what has better content on twitter? I haven't been impressed by anyone on there. It's fun to think that twitter is the place where all the great literary discussions and pronouncements are happening now, but they're not. Maybe most of the great put-downs, ok. And some witticisms, and wisecracks, and a few other anecdotes.

point taken, thanx

publishing this rather feckless satire under a pseudonym (a fucking twitter handle, no less) seems like a terribly insecure move for someone who's otherwise so confident

Only 5000? I own 10 thousand books and my grandfathers library hold over 100k books

Good post. I remember when six or seven years ago posts like this (eloquent, demonstrating knowledge of prose, actually about fucking writing) were common. This post is a breath of fresh air.

>Also, my favorite pornstar is also a rapist which really lowered my opinion of porn in general.
who?

Link an article you wrote and tell us why you left

maybe it's all a joke. Daedalus was a master craftsman, and though Joyce did don the name, he did so in a manner which in later works pointed to the Icarian aspect, as he positioned himself as a petulant Telemachus to Bloom's Odysseus. In his surname is just a lineage; perhaps Logo gets it, and is an Icarus many times removed. Perhaps, also, he doesn't.

woof
dumb post

> (You)
> Today the standards for self-publishing do seem rather low, but there were a few giants who did initially go this way. Proust pushed In search of lost time with a vanity publisher, and Blake as well self-published. Disparate examples, but they are historically relevant figures.

Absolutely, user. And there are many more. Lord knows I've tracked them all. When KDP was launched, I had high hopes. I've been there from the beginning. It didn't work for me, but it didn't work for anyone else, either. Sergio de la Pava, maybe, but I think that's not enough to be statistically relevant. KDP was a revolution in erotica, potboilers, cheap thrills, lowrent DIY and sleazy nonfiction. Nothing really good came of it.
Meanwhile, writers like Tao Lin built their reputation by being published by small presses. I still wonder how he got his first stories published in a handful of academic journals and then picked up right away by Melville House.
>
> Problem with this is, if his identity and established life work thusfar is his twitter feed, he's going to have to take a real long hard look at what his identity is actually built on, and realize that the self-own is deeper than just a bitter instant of poor execution. This reflects badly on his general project; as said, logo wrapped his identity up in an existence larger than himself, and which yet did him no favors intellectually or culturally.
I despise the hiding-behind-avatar culture of zoomers. In this case, it works well for him: if he decides, he can de-publish the book, disappear the twitter, work on what he wants and come out later in his real name.
When I first saw his tweeting I thought he would be a great teacher. Depending on his real ambitions, that might sting .... or might give him an idea. In any event, I wish him the very best.

>Only 5000? I own 10 thousand books and my grandfathers library hold over 100k books
Then you beat me. Unless your post was sarcasm. I'm an adult, I'm fairly wealthy, and I have a lot of room for books.

I don't know if Bronze Age Pervert counts as "great", but his book was pretty fun, and was at least aware of itself. I don't think it's fair to say that he has no talent. And his Twitter persona works WITH, not against his literature, unlike Logo.

>I was merely pretending to be up my own ass

>I don't know if Bronze Age Pervert counts as "great", but his book was pretty fun, and was at least aware of itself. I don't think it's fair to say that he has no talent. And his Twitter persona works WITH, not against his literature, unlike Logo.
I like BAP. When I was on twitter we followed each other. His book was fun. I like things he's done with words.... he is a talent. I still peek at his twitter from time to time, but I'm no longer there... that world is not for me. But BAP does count as a serious writer (of essays at least, or however people express nonfiction ideas today) who is on twitter.

I'm not going to expose myself like that. I may still have a reputation to protect, after all; I've gotten poetry and short stories published at "respectable" publications. I actually wouldn't mind revealing some day that I post on Yea Forums--but the time isn't right yet. I predict that it will be at some point in the future.

But I will tell you why I left. Actually, it's pretty funny: it's not so much that I left as that they left me. Thermidor shut down, after all. Social Matter's running on fumes these days. I remember when Carlo announced this in the old Thermidor Slack: that he was stepping away from everything, that he'd become disillusioned with neoreaction and frogtwitter. He wasn't sure we could accomplish anything any more, just writing essays and critiques.

The one thing Carlo said to me that I keep in mind these days is: do something positive, not negative. What that means is: critique is, inherently, a negative art, a regressive art. It's about pulling things down. And there's a lot in the current Liberal order that needed to be pulled down, and that still needs to be pulled down. But that destructive element--that pulling-down--has advanced incredibly far.

And what Carlo was so worried about was that, if we were so focused on pulling down, we would miss that what was just as important for the end of Liberalism and Modernity was a building-up. In other words: okay, we're going to destroy Liberalism and Modernity, but what's going to happen when and if we reduce all these things to rubble? What will we do in the ashes of the current world? What will we build?

That was Carlo's concern. And so he exhorted us all to start making "positive" contributions to the world. To create, rather than destroy. I, particularly, have taken this to heart. I was taking it to heart even before Thermidor shut down, but it's something that has weighed more heavily on my mind since that site went extinct. To create, rather than destroy. Liberalism, after all, is the arch-destroyer of the last 200 years. It's chewed up everything: kingdom, nation, folk, state, church, people, myth. If it, itself, is chewed up, what's left? What is there for the people of the future to build on, if Liberalism finally rolls over, vomits, and dies? Carlo seemed to be concerned with this, in his last message to us all before he went dark.

So: I'd love to still be writing for Social Matter and Thermidor. But they're a bit defunct, these days. I didn't leave them behind, but they left me behind. But that's probably for the best. Instead I've begun to establish myself as a poet and storyteller. Maybe I can do my part to build, rather than tear down. I would be doing this even if Carlo hadn't said anything, but I confess his last words weigh on my mind more than a little. They make me think.

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Surprisingly touching post, user. Best of luck.

Describes my forst foray into authorship a bit too well.

Of course it does. I've been writing for years. I have a few short stories and poems published, but I have far, far more material that has been rejected. And it was rejected because it was dogshit. I look at it now and I realize how bad it all was.

This is honestly why I hate self-publishing, despite how awful the established publishing scene can be. Everybody goes on and on about the Jewish cabal in New York, or the mean old editors who reject experimental stuff. But at the end of the day, the gatekeepers exist for a reason. They repeatedly reject the things they get for very good reason, and the primary reason is that a lot of the things they get are extremely bad. Nine times out of ten you're not a "misunderstood genius", you're just a shitty writer.

Or, maybe, you're a writer who has potential but hasn't achieved that potential yet. And in that respect, rejections are actually a really good thing. You get rejected. You mope and cry. Then, if you're any good at all, you look at your work and ask yourself, "WHY was this rejected?" You start to poke and prod at it, tweak it, edit it, even rewrite whole chunks of it. And then you submit it all over again.

And then, one day, if you're any good, it gets accepted. Because if you're any good, it always does, sooner or later.

this. there has to be at least one publishing house with one appreciative editor that will print your shit if its actually good.

This is really encouraging, thank you, user! I got rejected from 15+ agents for my first novel, didn't even try to publish my poems, and when I showed excerpts from my novel I was told here that it was turgidly myopic shit and chose to not self-publish for that reason. I'm still young and shooting to be the 1/10, but it's also interesting to see what happens. Have you worked up towards the idea of broaching a novel?

IDK where I've been but i've honestly never heard of him. I like the title but the pseudonym is retarded

>a novel

Once upon a time, maybe. But it's funny. In my own journey I find myself moving backwards through time, almost. I started out writing terrible fantasy novels that I tried to get published. I even almost got an agent for one of those novels; she rejected me after she requested my full manuscript.

But, in hindsight, I'm glad she did, because I would never have evolved the way I have if she'd become my agent. I had a period of profound crisis, and then I started delving back into serious literature. This coincided with me deciding to go to graduate school, not for an MFA, but to get a Masters in English Literature. I've been immersed in great literature again in a way I haven't been since I was an undergrad, and it's advanced my art a lot. But, like I said, I keep going backwards. From fantasy novels I moved backwards into short stories, and I got three short stories published. And I had ideas of publishing dramatic novels, or story sequences. But now I've moved back even further. I've moved back into poetry. I seem to have, strangely, advanced and regressed simultaneously; I've moved forward as an artist but backwards in literary time. But now I write poetry. I've honestly never been happier than I am as a poet, and I keep hearing from the people that read my poems that I have some sort of power in verse that I never achieved in prose. So I think I'll stick with poetry. I'm even starting to move into narrative poetry--epics, and such. Long poems, like what Homer and Dante and Milton wrote.

But that's MY journey. I can't speak for yours. All I can tell you is to keep pushing forwards. Somebody very wise once told me that the secret to becoming a great writer is persistence. Lots of people have talent. But not everyone stays dedicated to their craft for the long haul. Not everyone is willing to stick it out to the bitter end. But if you have the stamina to persevere against all odds, you can occasionally be rewarded with incredible beauty.

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I wanted to write this in the wwoym threads but they're not here so I'm just going to blog post here.
WHY do amateur writers POST their stories and write authors notes about calling their characters sluts? I get that a lot of people who are amateurs online are like 13 years old but seriously? Do these people not learn how to be professional in any sense?? Two paragraphs in and you call one of your characters a slut in authors notes just
Absolutely infuriating

what the fuck are you talking about
give examples

jokes are meant to be funny

>check out his twitter
>hes a yang shill

dropped

This is something that's bothered me quite a bit. Yang is an obvious conman, a total shill. Doesn't everyone realize that? And if he gets on a stage with Trump, Trump is a more primal conman, a more powerful shill. Trump is the ur-conman. Why hitch yourself to Yang if you're disillusioned by Trump? They're the same thing.

There's a couple of angles Yang shills take. The main one is basically that Trump is burned out, followed by or in combination with the fact that Trump can't overcome the fact of his being a Boomer.

>angles
why do i keep reading this as angel? i went over your post like 5 times. wtf is wrong with me?

>everyone I don't like is a shill

>tfw I still can't differentiate the definition of marital and martial

>shills for person
>is a shill

>any showing of support for a political candidate is now considered shilling

That word has basically lost all meaning since the shitshow of 2016.

considering his policies are completely fucking retarded meme tier bullshit i'm gonna give the shill the benefit of the doubt and assume hes not a 50-iq brainlet.

You can't even express why you dislike him lol

love this board
love you too, i guess
hope i see your work someday somewhere
not that i'll know it was you
good luck

he has bad policies that will negatively impact over three hundred million people

Oh, believe me, when I want Yea Forums to know about me, I'll let the board know. Assuming Jap Moot doesn't tank the entire site before then. Let's hope and pray.

Clearly, the two of you (and seemingly everyone else in this thread) never made it past the Amazon preview. The first few chapters of Selfie are in this DELIBERATELY AWFUL style. Bad idea to start your debut novel with an inscrutable longform shitpost? Absolutely. Nobody is contesting this. But it's not an accident, and if any of you had read any further than the free trial, you'll understand why he made this decision. Or maybe you won't, considering who it is you all are.

Cam is a massive faggot but at least finish his book before spewing shit like this.

>its so bad its good!!

No, don't get me wrong, it's bad. It's really, really bad. It's "I was only pretending to be retarded!" tier, but the whole book isn't like this.

This thread is the equivalent of reading the first page of Joyce's Portrait and calling him a pseud hack for writing an entire book in babytalk.

Yang would be subsumed by Trump in any kind of debate, if it ever got to that point. Yang is meant to derail the Bernie train. Not consciously but that is ITS will. Yanggang is unwittingly helping Trump 2020.

post an epub baby

>at least finish his book

No.

never understood why people dont like this guy

Spoil it then. It wouldn't need this much butthurt shilling if it was really worth anything.

Has anyone actually read the book?

I think he's behaved like an insufferable hall monitor, who chose to cast undeserved blame at people like Owen Cyclops for Christchurch, and Logo was right to call him out for that colossal reach:
twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1106598208699023361
twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1106600714049150976
twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1106972107068661761
twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1107384601599717377
leave aside that he's got "writer/editor" in his twitter bio, when his portfolio shows he's only done a single article for The Daily Caller, and a few for Jacobite. but it seems like he's spun that tenuous identity into the same old obnoxious twitter journalist behaviour that would try to dox everybody they disagree with if they could.

1) Joyce's babytalk is well-written and sincerely enjoyable to read independently of Portrait. It's incredibly musical; every syllable counts
2) Joyce had first established himself as a massively talented writer in a conventional style before his modernist experimentations. He had a certain artistic leeway because he had paid his dues and proven himself to be a legitimate writer. He clearly and demonstrably wasn't retreating to abstractions because he had to, he was abstracting because he could and it benefited the final product
3) Joyce, this clown ain't.

Yes, that is the correct usage.

logo literally just got owned by a bootstrap boomer

dude's beyond intellectually bankrupt at this point, he should just pack it in

>owned by a bootstrap boomer
what happened?

>And with one single Amazon.com sample paragraph, he disqualified his entire life's work

Hm are you sure about this? I haven't read it, but I hear that the first few pages are an intentional joke. I think he meant it so that people would do exactly what people on this thread have done. And those who read the book get the joke. Guess who the butt of it is?

Reminds me of that Sean Penn novel

spoil it then if its so good. people will buy it if it piques interest. Are you saying this pathetic gaslight bait shilling is part of his art?

>jokes on you i was only pretending to be retarded
>in book form
wow.......we truly live in clown world

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Why would anyone waste time reading this when there is so much other enjoyable reading material out there

That sentence is in fact well-formed.

No, I like to read good books

are we talking about the same book? this is a five star amazon bestseller. so someone is wrong

This thread made me want to read it. Was that the plan?

honestly me too, and I don't even know who this is. I want it just so I might have another book to shove on my "I only keep this because it's hilariously bad" shelf, if it doesn't end up actually being as says

Where can I find the first page?

Amazon

It's unlikely.

There are a few good parts, but they aren't original at all. At least they show he knows what good writing looks like and can recognize it in others. That's a start.

But it's crazy that he got to be what? 30 or w/e? And he still can't write clean, lucid prose, still can't compose the clean sentence or find the appropriate word. Even grammatical solecisms are not infrequent.

>it physically hurts to read. There is nothing musical in his alliteration, there is no rhythm or prosody; it is pointless noise which has no coherent pattern and which he uses to give his writing a false sense of energy, sort of like drawing speed lines on a stick figure to signify movement.
This is the worst thing about his writing. Even very simple journalistic brainlet prose would have been better.

lol you've been taking his vague tweets and filling in the gaps and nonsesne with your own knowledge.

lol what?

huh i guess its all about your /beliefs/
i agree with the "guilt by hyperlink association" post, but at the same time i really do think some of these twitterspheres (maybe not these ones in particular) really do shape the outside world and can prove to be something of an opium den for the dejected, all the while their drug-addled mind is slipping farther and farther from reality and explode as an atom would when these two spheres of reality are come into their own, separate beings

These twitterfags are pathetic looking for free guberment gibs me

Where are these interviews?

Ok listen up fags. I keep hearing people say “the Amazon sample is purposefully bad, it’s a trick, 26-D chess, you’re having the exact reaction he wanted.” Prove it then. Post a sample of one of the best parts of the book. Please, this is personal for me, BAP book was good rollicking fun but Logo’s Amazon sample makes me want to die and it is quite a self-own that I thought he was non-cringe if the sample really is the best he can do.

It's "prophesy"

>got to be what? 30 or w/e?
he's 24 - heard it from one of his youtube interviews
just search logo daedelus on youtube

Please someone let's get the samples

>the beginning — arguably the most important part of a novel, especially a debut — is purposefully bad in order to... dab on the reader?

lmao i'm sure the reasoning had stayed the same if the initial reception to this had not been one of mockery and cringe

>his entire life's work (his Twitter feed)

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Riley Reid

No, he’s at least 28

Yeah cmon

The only people who would be willing to pay for Logo's embarrassing debut are either sycophantic fanboys who think he can do no wrong, pathetic followers aspiring to become members of the frog twitter cartel, or those who are already members of the frog twitter cartel

None of these paypigs and fellow e-thots are going to share Logo's book i.e. proof that the emperor of frog twitter has no clothes. They are all very much are invested in pretending that he is well-clothed and magnificent

wrong:
youtube.com/watch?v=IDsDgBJmb0M&t=1094s
in fairness, I thought he was older than that too

dude you should write a book - i would buy it

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"He is thinking of how strange it all is- how everyone can accept this zoo of man, these stacked cubes of domestic atomism- & this is Art? Is this what Life has become? Is this what remains of the species that once toiled and bled in the fields of history? How can this be real?"

goodreads.com/review/show/2749565884?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

>"I have sipped that poisoned chalice. I've chased the rabbit holes with Alice... I drank deep & lost my mind. I left all worldly woes behind. But in the end, what did I find?"

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I might actually unironically buy this book just to see if I can't debunk all the people saying the beginning is an epic prank

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>What I find most interesting about this is that if he goes down in self-own, he brings down all of frogtwitter with him.
> They have to go down with the ship.
I think this is a most horrific, yet accurate, observation. All of frog twitter, all the e-celebs, have praised this -- and yet, if it turns out to be bunk, they are ALL going to be exposed as charlatans and frauds.

And the beauty of it is, they can't really wiggle out of it. They've gone on about it too much. They would have to start silently deleting tweets -- lots of them.

The full force of frog twitter e-celebs is behind this. Someone would have to compile a list. There must be dozens of 'names' behind this. The fallout is going to be huge.

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I wonder what lays behind posts like these. it doesn't strike me as disappointment with someone they used to admire - it seems more like people with an axe to grind against logo specifically, and "frog twitter" more generally.
and clearly neither has read the book, since it's obvious they would have no compunction about leaking the whole damn thing if they could - as many ITT have requested samples of it.
meaning: their speculative opinions that this publication might end up being damaging to a niche internet subculture must be wholly uninformed, and therefore entirely worth ignoring.
I think the worst part is the specious logic underlying the assumption that if this work isn't up to snuff, that it discredits the entirety of a subculture. what ridiculous collectivist nonsense. and anyone with a lick of sense would at least have the self-awareness to see the ridiculousness of an anonymous poster on Yea Forums disputing anybody's credibility.

It doesn't particularly matter if it's an epic troll or not. The writing is terrible regardless of the motivation behind it.

>having a favorite pornstar
State of this board

>this post gets dubs
meme magic is real

Mercedes Carrera?

There is a serious difference between ambitious and pretentious.

>"where's the bloody jokes?"

He's lying here, he has mentioned being late 20s several times on his twitter

>this is your brain on frogtwitter

>I think the worst part is the specious logic underlying the assumption that if this work isn't up to snuff, that it discredits the entirety of a subculture. what ridiculous collectivist nonsense. and anyone with a lick of sense would at least have the self-awareness to see the ridiculousness of an anonymous poster on Yea Forums disputing anybody's credibility.

I think some people thought frogtwitter was ... something. Part of a movement? A collection of the brightest minds? Near-future leaders? "Our" ingroup? There was a feeling it was going somewhere. In recent months it's been obvious that frogtwitter, like Trump, is going nowhere. Or nowhere we want to be. Rebranding to the abortion holocaust enabling Yang is not the answer and will not help. It's kind of over.
And that logic isn't specious. It's the frogtwitter e-celebs that are collectivist. We don't need to name names to feed their celebrity, but the entire lot of them are grifters, like a lower level of the manosphere grifters who came before them. Finding that one of them had no clothes, and the whole lot of them endorsed it as "great", would definitely discredit all of them. Liars and grifters. A collectivist clique. I think the whole thing coming undone by the observation of a Yea Forums user is not only tenable but also deeply poetic.

>meme twitter guy thread
>replies 181
>posters 71

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bump

d8^)

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Retard

not gonna lie I bought his book day 1 only because I like his tweets.
Never read it though and probably never will

logo 'i haven't been on Yea Forums for 3 years bro' daedalus

best of luck mate, youre not alone

BAP’s book makes Logo look like a genius

You just know he is literally S E E T H I N G reading this based thread xD

Ah, the mira gonzales line of defense.

>self publishes a book on amazon and sells 100 copies
>ive made it
Pick one

>he calls ulysses a masterpiece
>he decries meaningless references to other works
holy fucking shit. have you even read Ulysses? Do you understand that there's a reference on almost every single page? I'd bet my bottom dollar if Ulysses were published today you would be spewing off these exact same criticisms.

Literally who?
>twitter fag
kys my man

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I hope Kantbot's first book is about groypers and nothing else

I haven't browsed twitter in years, but I liked menaquinone4's posts back then. Is he still active?

>kb book
pls no

1/2

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2/2

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>fucking dashes, how do they work?

>200 replies

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Logo doesn't know the difference between a dash and a hyphen. For the love of God, Logo, please take note of this.

epically rused bruh

This is something I don't understand. If he's so well-read, you'd think he'd pick up on how to use a dash from fucking anybody. Monkey see monkey do type deal. I guess not.

it's a stylistic choice faggot

please yes

>an egotistical jew wrote a shit book
Imagine my shock

I don't see what the big deal is. Joyce wannabes are nothing new. It seems better than most of the horseshit Amazon's bloated with, anyway. Maybe he'll perfect his Joyce imitation and/or develop a more distinct voice; maybe he'll just keep putting out mediocre (in comparison to the greats) stuff like this...we'll see.

Anyone who buys this, even to dab on it, is a retarded faggot. Let it rot under the tombstone of that "libidinal flick" sentence as it deserves to.

>self-published fiction by twitter avatars
oh no no no no no

>you can't knock someone for being ambitious
unbelievably shit opinion

>Stylistic choice

Doubt it. He does the same thing on twitter. It looks fucking retarded.

>you can't knock someone for being ambitious
when their ambitiousness causes them to fall on their face this hard, you certainly can
if he'd tried something humble instead of desperately attempting to fulfill his fantasy of being just like Joyce-senpai, he might've produced a decent book

He is semi-literate, he has no idea how English works grammatically and he openly brags about this all the time.
But you are probably him, so you'd know.

Ed, when people say "you have to publish something noteworthy by 25" they don't mean self publishing under a fucking twitter handle

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I don’t think you understand why writers like Joyce and Eliot were heavily referential in their work.

the guy posts about friends he lost to drugs to meme for yang but he could never write a book about them without turning them into the literary equivalent of glazed pastries, his narcissism is too strong

he's so cute *_*

MEANINGLESS references, user
Joyce's references add tremendous texture and depth

I read the whole book and enjoyed it a lot, besides the ending, which sort of pissed me off. I also don’t understand how the part where Cairey is watching his former roommate play that battle royal game, I don’t understand how that part is supposed to fit in with the black crowned satyr and the princess and the knight shit.

Isn't even bad though, even taken in isolation quite aside from all issues of 'being retarded on purpose' etc as part of a larger structural gambit. Can't comment on that since I have not read the whole book. Probably won't ever unless a kind user sends it on its inevitable way to libgen. 'Nicholson Baker exploded mental graph of tinder date' is - very trenchant, very 'cute' means of making points re: logo's weird quasi-esoteric view of [post]modernity, lovely troll to grab the soggy-knee adjacent and bait-n-switch them into reading something p r o f o u n d, but, eh, my personal aesthetic preference turns away from this kind of hyper-interiority, and that's really all I can say. My disagreements with logo are fundamental - I am what you kids call 'blackpilled' - but I can recognise what he's doing all the same. Can't you tell how much fun this was to write?

People have been making all the wrong comparisons with Logo, you know? Pynch, Nabokov, whatever. Absurd, a bygone epoch. The mammals that rose up after the K-T impact event didn't much resemble the dinosaurs. You know who he is? Logo is a precise mirror image of pre-metoo Sam Kriss. The strength of their writing comes from a play-act of infuriating confidence. Seething? Remember - if you're reading it, it's for you.

>no don't you get it? he was only PRETENDING to be retarded
pfff

I haven't been on Yea Forums in years (/g/ user not at all familiar with Yea Forums), but I saw Logo's post about this on twitter and couldn't help myself.

I felt a similar way to OP when Logo gained notoriety after the Kantbot video and started mindlessly espousing his Wikipedia-tier understanding of McLuhan on the tl (like he was some great scholar of McLuhan's most arcane, recondite, and/or revelatory works). At the time, I brushed off his "work" as e-boy pseudo-intellectualism which immediately disqualified him as worthwhile a cultural critic (let alone """"""""public intellectual""""""""/weird twitter media theorist). I was honestly shocked when his intellectual k-tactics started to actually work and he achieved a foothold in the post-2016 election soft-NRx twitter enclave ("we like Land and Moldbug but are also scared that some day we'll get doxxed so our political and aesthetic opinions are going to toe the line between anti-technocratic authoritarianism and undergraduate theory").

In my opinion, no amount of Logo's "bullyciding" (obviously a defense mechanism that anyone who has ever posted on Yea Forums before is familiar with) can make up for the fact that he is just some guy that gleaned undergrad-tier literary knowledge from the internet and gained twitter "fame" because of it.

It's honestly kind of sad because I actually like Logo these days.

(corollary: If you know anything about McLuhan, filter Logo's posts regarding McLuhan between Apr 2017 and May 2018; although somewhat ideologically dated from his current rendition, it's worth it)

No, he's been gone since 2018.

k-tactics vis-à-vis attempting to dismantle a literary past to suit his highly aestheticized hermeneutics

Lyrical miracle spiritual individual

lol. His interpretation of McLuhan's work is generally wrong

>"you have to publish something noteworthy by 25"
I fucking hate the youth obsession in art. Yeah, sure, you should be busing your ass to produce something good, and I think that noble goal might be buried somewhere beneath this sentiment, but it's incredibly rare to be anywhere near artistic maturity at that age. Even Rimbaud's work, quite possibly the best ever written by someone so young, has no small amount of obvious youthfulness.
Like, basically, you're pretentious and melodramatic when you're young, and age tends to take care of those things.

>tfw you will never sniff Daddy Joyce's braps

>"professional author" admitting to reading Yea Forums threads
He makes fun of creative writing workshops when he's the guy that comes in expecting his dick sucked by the professor and throws a tantrum when no one likes his work.

Whatever happened to that Melchizekek guy? He should write something book-length.

melch is gone

pretty bummed out about badtheoryguy/goodtheoryguy Vincent Garton as well. He was my favorite from the adjacent #RhettTwitter crowd. I think he joined the Catholic Church and deleted all social media after his research stint (from his PhD) at Trinity.

Who the fuck is this guy

This books makes me feel I can be an author too.

That is what editors are for you retarded faggot. I barely know how to spell and im a best selling author in my genre

Greetings, Logo. Yosa Buson, one of the four traditional haiku masters, didn't take writing seriously until he was like 50. I'm much more impressed by his work than I am by your Joyce-LARPing egotistical drivel.

>Epipsychidion
No use here whatsoever other than to rhyme with Socratidion's.
>Caudelectures
Joyce literally made this word up to reference 'Curtain lectures', a comical book about a wife angrily reprimanding her husband. No use again.

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nice cope but it's bad style regardless

>"concerning a little soul"
>not relevant to that passage
based retard

Logos book isn’t perfect but there’s no one else as qualified living today to write something like he has. To scoff at Logos book is to scoff at literary effort in and off itself. He’s basically accomplished the impossible, he’s found an audience, a loyal fan base, and he’s generally pleased them while making money in return. He’s put himself in a position where his words carry real weight in their impact on people and he gets to make money off of it, even if you hate him and his book you can’t deny it’s been a complete success.

is this real?

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Relevant how? Not much is known about Myrto at all. People have theorised that she was a common-law wife, others have said that she was made up by later sources. Nowhere is it claimed that he loved her. How is she his 'Epipsychidion'?

More importantly, why is it acceptable to you for Joyce to use a made-up word to reference 'curtain lectures' (of course he couldn't have just said curtain lectures plainly; that's not vague enough.)?

>Breeding; Mixing; Stirring
That’s the modernists’ use of high-culture images in contrast to low-culture images. They’re creating an aesthetic statement by placing the sacred next to the vulgar. Hence using Greek philosophers as a form of rhyme. Referencing something like Ulysses doesn’t come across as an aesthetic statement, more an acknowledgement of something that is considered great. It screams, “Look! I have good taste!”

Manlets, when will they learn?

>He seemed so assured of himself and his talent and his opinions
Participation trophies
Narcissist parents whose world revolves around their flawless offspring

Honestly I feel kinda bad for people whose dads and moms protected them too much from reality.

You have to be herd-minded to flourish on social media.
The opposite of many artists who are more individualistic. Particularly with SJW mobs sniffing any hint of "ism" or ---phobia in even the most benign comments. Not worth risking the hassle.
Twitter/social media is also a big time suck. Writers write, they aren't attention-whoring online.
Getting the word out, yeah. Big problem. Same for dating - the most marriageable girls are the shy wallflowers. Not the look at MEEE thots.

>a reference on every page
>a reference
logo, THIS is your readership

Good points, user. I had wasted time in 2015 with Cernovich, Roosh, Forney, and that crowd. What a waste. Frogtwitter is just like that, except the e-celebs are a little more meek and probably make less $$$ from it

time to dox

post scans

so logo is basically what happens when you're too smug and insufferable to hang with the dsa

Yes, the first few pages are deliberately written as self parody to give everyone who wanted to mock it ammo to talk about it at length. The writing style completely changes after that.

Except she actually made it.

yes, selected tweets with tao lin is a stone-cold classic of american letters

lol

I get intimidated by all the anti-Trump agents on twitter. Some of them have a serious case of TDS.
I don't even like the guy but I don't want to have to grand stand about politics & that is all so many of them care about. I fear they will somehow find a shitpost I made on here or some other social media & it will come to haunt me. I see these online mobs where one Chinese author had her book pulled from publication at the last minute because her fictional races were....racist? The mob is obsessed with being inclusive but it has to fit their image to perfection or they turn on you. Publishing seems to fall to these goodreads bullies.
Am I being paranoid?

I enjoyed the book. It wasn't anything incredible, but if you don't fall for the first few pages it's decent

Post your favorite parts or you're shilling

>It's chewed up everything: kingdom, nation, folk, state, church, people, myth.
man, it sure is bad all these shitty things are gone and got replaced with a universal concept of human rights.

>Isn't even bad though,
Please shill, stop. This is not helping

>(corollary: If you know anything about McLuhan, filter Logo's posts regarding McLuhan between Apr 2017 and May 2018; although somewhat ideologically dated from his current rendition, it's worth it)
Thanks for the tip. I don't have anyone to talk to about McLuhan anymore & it's frustrating. The only good that came of this episode is I deleted my social media completely, even Facebook, I realize no REAL friendships come from those places.

>He’s basically accomplished the impossible, he’s found an audience, a loyal fan base, and he’s generally pleased them while making money in return. He’s put himself in a position where his words carry real weight in their impact on people and he gets to make money off of it, even if you hate him and his book you can’t deny it’s been a complete success.
This is what grates for "professional author" types. That some kid blabs all day long on Twitter, with actually pretty vapid tweets and dumb thinking-out-loud about nerdy stuff making him a reputation for top tier "hot takes", then gets an audience for it ..... meanwhile the "professional author" struggling in obscurity, no fan base at all, no twitter, no future

>yes, selected tweets with tao lin is a stone-cold classic of american letters
That's what the New Yorker says. Are they wrong?

the new yorker hasn't been right about anything in 70 years

Not paranoid at all. Speaking as the victim of similar censorship, just for having been a "Trump guy," it's out there.

So just checking you've read the book right OP?

>an audience
of what, exactly? a few other pseudonym authors, a slew of clout-chasing sycophants and a retarded wojakposter or two?

the "frogtwitter" self-publishing thing has the same problem as any other arts scene that gets too isolated and hierarchical. quality control, rivalry and criticism goes out the window in favor of good vibes and backslapping

(and let's not pretend as if logo wouldn't leave them all behind in an instant if little, brown approached him with a book deal)

pt carlo is the greatest visionary of our time! thank you for the insight pt carlo!

Same
The mid-end part with the flashback was somewhat excruciating to read (much more emotional than I'd expected from Logo) and I can't say I really "got" all the symbolism but I def particularly enjoyed the "Exposition" after the much-talked about preview chapter shenanigans.
The book definitely got me thinking (and maybe overthinking it) after reading.
There's some genuinely good parts from a literary standpoint IMO, e.g. the poem he built into one of the latter chapters, but overall it's not exactly a masterpiece. Still, I'm looking forward to whatever he's going to do in the future.

This fag is already positioning himself to rode the yangwave to popularity because he sucks so bad at writing

I'm shocked by the amount of people on Yea Forums that not only admit to using social media, but ones that consider it a serious platform.

Rrrreally? It's great and emotinal, and you won't post screenshots? Lol

>the poem he built into one of the latter chapters

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we don’t talk like this we’ve very smart and detached akshually

SM was a serious platform 2007-2017, at least for the mainstream / corporate society
Still is in some respect but its influence has been fading for at least a year
It's no longer hard to realize how many people eschew it completely, and that number will rise as it becomes more apparent gab/discord/elgg/mastodon or whatever isn't going to replace the dying fb/twitter/ig.

>It's no longer hard to realize how many people eschew it completely
What do you mean? Are people actually using social media less?

I only use whatsapp for normalfag purposes, so I have no idea.

> What do you mean? Are people actually using social media less?
Not OP here, but users have been draining out of Twitter for years ...... jack has been selling off his stock for just as long. The info I have about fb is only anecdotal but it's pretty much the same, it can't really expand any bigger and a significant # of users have deleted their accounts

Poetry that doesn't scan is perfectly fine--when it's honest about what it is

Poetry that makes an effort to adhere to some sort of metrical pattern and nevertheless fails is IMO much worse than Rupi Kaur instagram free verse

absolutely abhorrent post my man, superlative stuff, i loved it

lol --- sure you are

SHUT THE FUCK UP this is NOT going to happen. Ever. Fuck you. You fucking jealous impotent fucking SCUM. Get the fuck out of here. You fuckin crazy. You think this has ANY effect on other writers/books you need to get your FUCKING brain examined. Stupid as shit. You piss me off. You have NO book and NO following so you try to spread your fucking impotent SHIT on others. It must hurt to know you can't do nothing. You will never win. Get out of here. You FUCK.

Yup. Facebook's huge security fiasco was when the bubble popped. All the main social media sites have been bleeding users with nothing coming to replace them. In fact, the only new social media sites I know of period are only popping up because of other sites banning loli, which means they'll never attract any serious audience.

If Trump didn't use Twitter, it would be all but dead right now for anyone outside sjw or Yea Forums and Yea Forums outrage farmers.

No. All it means is the big #frogtwitter accounts are loyal to a fault, you dumbshit drama queen. I’ve been on Twitter since early 2016, followed a lot of these guys for as long, and always thought Logo was a faggot without it diminishing my appreciation of DT or BAP.

Almost 300 replies and still no download link for a .mobi.

>.mobi
get outta here jeff

There's only like 100 people on the planet who bought a copy

What is the appeal in BAP? Is he supposed to be funny or insightful? Because I find him to be neither. LOL homoerotic posts! LOL I type like a retard! Me no gay! The only time he's ever been funny was when those journalists thought he was moldbug's right hand man and was having secret meetings with the white house. But that was mostly funny because journalists are retarded.

>without it diminishing my appreciation
probably not possible

Honestly it was never a question about if these accounts were of it.
Methinks it's going to be popcorn time soon

broke: logo_daedalus

woke: neet_telemachus

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I don’t like him as much as I used to but it has nothing to do with Logo. BAP was an interesting character when I first got on twitter, and his older stuff from salo/phora is still witty and entertaining.

>I bought this for my teenage son who likes Fortnite dancing and arguing on twitter. He loves it!

lol

>still maintains its salubrious sponginess as it floats upon a hollandaise foam besides a flotsam of duck bacon bobbing beside it
No matter how often Yea Forumsizens criticize Proust or McCarthy, the claim of "purple prose" will always be inaccurate, the reason being that this form of writing is the exact exemplification of it. To what use is the phrase "salubrious sponginess" to the reader? What can the reader attain from this section of the text, when the content is dissociated from any particular imagery? This is the manifestation of someone who values the mystique of vocabulary over the exertion of language, and is so enveloped in his masturbation that nothing other than this mystique prevails. The criticism of prose is, of course, an extremely limited path to take; however, since this guy cannot focus on anything else (such as attempting to tell an actual story), it's fair to dismiss the entire thing.

>If Trump didn't use Twitter, it would be all but dead right now for anyone outside sjw or Yea Forums and Yea Forums outrage farmers.
This. And since Trump seems to have lost his magic, I feel like more people are losing interest in twitter. Once I went away from it, I just stopped caring. Haven't read a Trump tweet since January, and feel better for it.

I’m glad to see the “poetry” in the book is every bit as wretched as what he posts on twitter. And this is from later on in the book, when it supposedly “gets better”? It reads like a pastiche of a parody of bad undergrad writing.

>294 posts
>116 posters
People are mad, huh

stately, plumply fuck off.

>but what's going to happen when and if we reduce all these things to rubble? What will we do in the ashes of the current world? What will we build?
it took you a lifetime to discover something any emotionally balanced individual has instinctively figured out by the time they finish high school?

>a lot of people are making fun of me, that means I win
lol, fuck off, logo

someone pls tweet this

Shitposting is NOT a skill that transfers to writing prose and fiction.

Logo is a bad writer because he's young and inexperienced. Presumably he works 40+ hours/week and probably spends most of his free time on the internet. Doesn't leave much time for serious reading and writing.

I'm not sure he's done much reading since undergrad. He still references the same three points he learned from McLuhan, that Bowden lecture, and some obscure Harold Bloom interview.

Writing is a full time job. Look at how much authors like Balzac and Henry James had to write before they started to produce good stuff. I'm not sure if writing of that caliber, especially at that quantity, is even possible in today.

Henry James went to Europe and hung out with Dickens, George Eliot, the pre-Raphaelites, Turgenev, and Zola. Logo moved to DALLAS and hangs with "Bronze Age Pervert" and "Delicious Tacos" and "Moldbug"

BAP and DT seem much older btw. Their writing isn't that great either, but they have a Rabelaisian quality which I enjoy. I also don't think they really aspire to "high literature" like Logo does.

goon
>that smiley
fucking goon

yet another way for bossy faggots to preach at you and bitch about your taste in hentai
there were already six gorillion ways to do that but I guess there needed to be one more
yeah it starts out as whacky memes but it always turns into faggots trying to get each other banned from chat because that's the closest thing to killing each other they can do

>there’s no one else as qualified living today to write something like he has
i'm so, so glad this isn't true

What have you wrote genius

What have you written? How come you need to be a write to say something is bad, but you don't need to be one to say it's good?

Reminder that if you give money for this piece of trash, you are a gay retard.

>Look at how much authors like Balzac and Henry James had to write before they started to produce good stuff. I'm not sure if writing of that caliber, especially at that quantity, is even possible in today.
What makes you say that? I'm very interested in this. Do you think it is because of modern media and the decline of print culture? Or that reading, itself, has lost its power? I don't want to say that the act of reading is in "decline" (more books than ever are being written, and sold, and presumably read), but books, and writing in general, have lost the cultural cachet they once had. Basically I'd like to get more of your thoughts on this statement.

>Henry James went to Europe and hung out with Dickens, George Eliot, the pre-Raphaelites, Turgenev, and Zola. Logo moved to DALLAS and hangs with "Bronze Age Pervert" and "Delicious Tacos" and "Moldbug"
I don't know where, postinternet, is the physical place to be. I don't know if there IS one. Is there? I would love to know. NYC in the 40s, San Francisco after that, in the 70s and 80s NYC again, and then .... where? Not Paris. Prague was a thing for a while in the early 90s. Then .... Bloomington? I don't think so. But where, I don't know. I can't say where, this century, is reasonably the place to be if you want to be part of a literary scene. I've been all over looking. Of course in our time a hundred places like Yea Forums have come and gone online, but (unless I missed the memo) there has been no physical place to be.

>BAP and DT seem much older btw. Their writing isn't that great either, but they have a Rabelaisian quality which I enjoy. I also don't think they really aspire to "high literature" like Logo does.
I don't really know Logo aside from a few short interactions .... and this crazy thread lol. I know he's nearly 20 years younger than them. And so is his audience. This thread is bewildering and also fascinating to me. I do know BAP and DT and I think you summed them up just right. I've had a few good convos with BAP. AFAIK, he's offering a "mindset" and putting out a philosophy about it, not attempting to be a writer of note. DT, I might have joked with him once on twitter, but we're just fundamentally too far apart, I can't relate to his subject matter, or his readers, so I don't really have anything to say about him. I wish them all well, of course, but if this is some new literary movement then first of all I've been left out of it (lol) and second I'm not sure where it can go from this point besides more Kindle books, and that's boring. Contrast with alt lit, which I despise, but it had a kind of zeitgeist in the early 2000s you could feel. I feel that neoreaction and the DE and Moldbug and Land and so on is completely disconnected from any artistic thought ..... the "creative" writing in NRx journals is the worst. Meanwhile in SJWland, there are ten thousand small publishers and magazines, and some of them are excellent. And even influential.

Appreciate your post.

"The sad thing about Yea Forumsizens is that no matter how much they hate the contemporary literary landscape, their greatest hope is still to have a manuscript "accepted" by a press & to be reviewed in the New Yorker. Just do it yourself dumbies- it's the 21st century."
No dude it doesnt work that way.
If you have 10,000 followers on some platform like Twitter, ok then you can be assured to sell a few hundred copies. But not all of us have spent the last 5 years making 100,000 tweets.
You really think Amazon self publishing is like K Records?? No quality control, design looks like a Word document, you can't even have ligatures. No hardcover. No distribution. Even if someone has literary gold, if they just put it on Amazon they are lost in a sea of other books. Without a platform to promote it, it could be the next Ulysses but it will be lost. You need more than great writing, you need a system set up to promote it.

I thought it was good lole

You would, you wrote it
Why not be part of the conversation instead of these dumb comments

>I like it
>therefore I am logo
fuck off retard

>he so far has absolutely no demonstrable claim to
So, what, you're supposed to leave all the allusions on the shelf until a jury of your peers allows you to use them? Do you stay in your lane(TM) and only pick references from your assigned pool? Shit like that is how you get nobody referencing anything, so that no one gives a shit, the memes stop being current, and the culture fucking dies. Literature is fucking over, some dead Russian mutant already maxed it out and there's no point in trying to compete. Let's all make video games. This shit fucking sucks, unless you are a humanities fanboy, and you want to be the last person who knows who Ivanovich Ivanov is, because then you win.

Yeah but no one's going to volunteer to cut their own nuts off and put them in a fridge until such time as they've earned them back. That's a stupid thing to ask of anyone.
There's this thing where the internet expects you to be a meek, diffident faggot (unless it's stupid politics shit)- and if you're not, forums full of professional vent-peckers go over your output until they find a way to interpret something you've said as dumb. This shit is unhealthy and abusive.

Statistically speaking, he's probably right.

who else but cam. ever used lole, retard?

and if you like it so much, why can't you post a screenshot of greatness, retard?

can somebody please upload this piece of trash to libgen

someone would first have to buy it in order to upload it lmao

One hilarious thing to come out of this is that logo is on twitter right now, "owning" people for not having read it when there has not been a single post, a single quote, a single turn of phrase that people who supposedly like the book will cite. They all say they are "impressed" and that it's "actually good". This tells me it's garbage.

All of frogtwitter waits on the balance

Pretty apparent what you ackshually need is a cult of personality.
A cult of personality will sell books. Good or bad writing, don't matter. You have to built the cult. Prove me wrong, anons

the last actually hilarious thing was a cat shoop from 2008
in 2019 "hilarious" just means "my enemies are dying and I'm horny for it"
like how "lol" means "fuck you" and "lulz" means "I am a fed"

okay, now THIS is reddit

epic for the win man. Over 9000 lulz were had.

calling shit "hilarious" is the prose equivalent of that thing women do when they're losing an argument where they force out this really ugly throaty laugh to make it look like they're still in control of the situation

prove me wrong. or don't, whatever

Problem?

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you forgot to take your meds, it seems

I deleted my own post so you wouldn't have to see it and get madder every time you refreshed the thread

It's an OK novel, far from terrible as people are calling it. 2 passages I had highlighted in my Kindle that I enjoyed

"This place was the only thing he had ever missed in his life. He cherished it & loved it, but wished its memories away- as without them, the rest of it, the aimless sufferings, the quotidian routines, the wasted times, the labors, the struggles, the consumptions & sicknesses, the fleeting bouts of anxious energy which cleared his ever-encroaching mist of shame & regret, but for moments only, like pleasant dreams interrupted by the morning’s alarm, by fantasy-fragmenting necessities, these bores & chores, agendas & groceries, these shattered hopes, these botched sacrifices, this unimpeachable loneliness, this emptiness- none of it would stand in such harsh relief against his few fond memories had they never occurred at all. It is this illusory precondition of enchantment which pains him more than the disenchantment with which he’s grown accustomed- as this lost world denies the reality of his own, or at least it denies its necessity & the necessity of his acceptance of it. These memories condemned him, so he condemns them in return."
outstretched hands like water, steam, or mist."

"What unholy alchemy, this decimating atomism, proving in its endless self-confirming loop, that all is composed of number & measurement- of adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, exponentiating- all of these subjects which plagued him in his youth- incomprehensible arabesques of arithmetic which turned all to bits passing through the grist mills of algorithm, their endless decimals, their infinities uncomputable by the weak machine of his flesh- these undulating, oscillating figures which snared life & passed it through purses, wires, & through the very air. He envisioned economy as a cloud of whirling nothingness encroaching upon everything- which when inspected, always retreated, dissipated, forever into a flux of darkness, passing through his outstretched hands like water, steam, or mist."

logo..easy on the thesaurus

tick
tock

He'll never answer this because it's true.

Well, I gave it a chance. I gave it more of a chance than it deserved. I read it twice: the first time silently, the second time aloud. And I think I’m more than justified in concluding that the Amazon preview (which even the book’s defenders have admitted is bad) is entirely representative of the work as a whole. The guy is simply a bad writer. Tant pis!

If true (and I don't doubt, but have yet to see), then
is the most important post on this thread & the most prophetic

Logging out of frogtwitter now. For good.

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do you have something to replace it with that's actually good and not just brooklynites whining about having to share a landmass with people who aren't from brooklyn

(protip: "tumblrites whining about having to share a website with people who aren't from tumblr" isn't a valid answer)

considering that the valid complaints of americans whining about having to share a landmass with people who aren't from america is forbidden, no

This unremitting downpour of verbiage, this incessant rain-patter of syllables, this neverending and interminable series of synonyms in which I recapitulate ad nauseam what I have already said before . . .

Guys, I think I’ve got his style down.

Very few people today have the sufficient attention span to read a James novel, let alone write one. At the height of his career, James was averaging 1-2 long novels/year, along with a string of shorter fiction and criticism. He wasn't a recluse like Pynchon either. He enjoyed a very active social life, though he was a lifelong bachelor.

I don't think books have lost any cultural cachet. Quite the opposite actually. I find that most people have a tremendous respect for art and literature, even shitlibs who pretend not to. Reactionaries claim to be upholders of the Western Civilization, but who is applying to PhD and MFA programs? As you say, there are ten thousand shitlib literary magazines. This wasn't always the case and even now I don't think academia and art and literature world is that hostile to alternative views, so long as you're not an edgelord about it. That could change in a few years though.

There is this "go it alone" attitude among conservatives/centrists/rightists/anarchists, and Logo is an example of it. Logo loves to shit on academia, yet wonders why academia (& the publishing world) is overrun with shitlibs. He uses his platform to tell impressionable Zoomers not to move to NYC, not to go into academia, take a shitty job in a backwater like Dallas that "pays" so you can spend your free time writing meme-tier fiction for Groypers on Twitter, rather than get the credentials which are, for better or worse, essential today.

this thread convinced be to buy it

lol

This is pretty damning. What's next?

Can't let this thread die without answers.
It's just too juicy.
Total takedown.
This is AMAZING.

cam read this. he has no rebuff. not even a libidinal flick of the fingers